[00:23] xnox: That's what I saw looking at the branch via Launchpad Librarian. I hope Noskcaj comes up with something interesting to scratch whatever itch he's got in the matter. [01:07] Anyone around? [01:09] usually, we all kind of lurk [01:09] i wanted to join the testing team [01:10] great :) [01:10] did you have any questions in particular? [01:10] not really, just want to jump in there :) [01:11] that's the way to do it! [01:11] middle of the night for the guy who leads up testing, but most of us can answer questions if you encounter any issues [01:11] how does the testing work? can you break it down for me? [01:12] http://xubuntu.org/news/want-to-help-out-xubuntu-test-raring/ is an article from a few months ago when we were testing raring (now testing saucy) [01:12] explains a lot of the basics [01:13] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Walkthrough has a full walkthrough of testing ISOs [01:14] is there any code testing? what i mean by that is unit testing? [01:14] Nobody tests me, I'm (mainly) stable. [01:15] we currently don't do any traditional unit testing [01:15] Sometimes it's requested to test some application, like Mugshot. [01:15] okok [01:16] since Xubuntu is made up of a bunch of applications we pretty much trust that the source of the software has done testing and we mostly test things as a whole - installation of Xubuntu, basic functionality of key applications [01:16] all manual at this point [01:16] ok === Noskcaj10 is now known as Noskcaj [07:04] pleia2: thanks for talking to luke last night [07:05] which just looks too odd now I posted it ... [07:06] hey elfy [07:06] hi Noskcaj - thanks for keeping up with merges [07:06] np [07:07] I've made an OEM slideshow for xubuntu, hopefully it will get accepted soon [07:08] * elfy read that [07:08] might not have had much time this week - but I have been reading the backlog === zz_mutzs is now known as mutzs === mutzs is now known as zz_mutzs === zz_mutzs is now known as mutzs === mutzs is now known as zz_mutzs === zz_mutzs is now known as mutzs === mutzs is now known as zz_mutzs === zz_mutzs is now known as mutzs [09:40] Noskcaj, have you sent your form to the magazine? [09:41] knome, yep [09:41] Noskcaj, okay, good [09:41] Noskcaj, and have you already got the agreemend and signed that? [09:41] *agreement [09:41] i think so [09:41] okay, good good [09:42] we're able to finish this magazine thing soon then [09:42] knome, just incase you've not read the scrollback, i made an oem slideshow for xubuntu [09:42] i didn't, you didn't ping me [09:44] where do you have the branch? [09:51] lp:~noskcaj/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/oem-xubuntu i thinl [10:01] ok, i'll try to check it out today [17:19] maybe I should put this here instead, so that knome, mrpouit/mr_pouit, or micahg might see [17:19] https://code.launchpad.net/~smd-seandavis/xubuntu-default-settings/lightdm-gtk-greeter-updates/+merge/177959 [17:20] also, ochosi/mrpouit: the gtk theme in saucy is still the old one without gtk 3.8 or lightdm-gtk-greeter 1.6 support [17:37] Ah, so could poke https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-s-artwork [17:42] thanks Unit193 [17:43] Heh, sure. [17:52] bluesabre, saw that, didn't have time to review yet [17:53] jjfrv8: are we pretty much all set for 12.04 docs? [17:53] pleia2, yup [17:53] need to get it all wrapped up for sru [17:54] pleia2, i just came home and i can run through it with you if you have time [17:54] and I should upload it to docs.xubuntu.org [17:55] knome: I can make that work, give me 20 min or so? [17:55] yeah, same here (i need to plug in and that) [18:15] knome: hihi [18:15] o/ [18:15] ok, shall I download and build this thing? [18:16] pleia2, so basically, the 1204 docs should be fine in the technical side (eg. the menu paths should be correct etc etc) [18:16] sure, if you want to have a look at it ;) [18:17] i've gone through all of jack's MP's, and merged [18:17] great [18:17] they are all fine, and we will want some of them applied to the saucy docs as well [18:17] * pleia2 nods [18:18] do we need to do a specific call for starting on the saucy docs, or does jjfrv8 have that handled? [18:18] i've asked him to send the same improvements as MP's to the saucy branch and AFAIK, some other people are working on it, but a call never hurts [18:19] ok, I'll see about doing that soon [18:19] so what else needs to be done with precise? [18:19] after all, the saucy docs are more open to all kind of improvements and expansions [18:19] * pleia2 nods [18:19] well, probably a quick run-through and then the SRU [18:19] ok, looking now [18:19] cheers [18:20] i think the SRU was also a good test for the docs to see if it's release-agnostic enough (and i think we passed) [18:22] ah, i see something that can be further improved :) [18:23] hmmwait [18:23] no, it's there [18:26] :) [18:28] we should probablt note that apt-offline isn't available by default in 12.04 [18:29] * pleia2 nods [18:30] http://docs.xubuntu.org/1204/ but didn't link it to the main page yet [18:33] pleia2, pushed rev 65 [18:33] k [18:36] i'm ok for the docs to start going the SRU route. [18:36] woo! [18:36] +1 [18:36] when its the next meeting? [18:37] its its or is [18:37] is [18:37] we should schedule. [18:37] mmmhmm i fail at is [18:38] eg tala ekki islensku a annan weg [18:38] i would really like to have some follow ups for the mir subject [18:38] even if there is some test i could help do [18:38] from non-xubuntu side, or xubuntu people poking at the mir team? [18:39] GridCube: Unit193 and I have been talking about it for days :) [18:39] Unit193 has been building some ISOs and stuff [18:39] GridCube: did you see Unit193's iso? [18:39] how are we going and stuffs [18:39] no [18:39] Unit193: link for GridCube plz [18:39] was a mail about it? [18:39] 3 pings all very quickly, I broke something... [18:39] no, just on irc [18:39] oh ok [18:39] and we've been updating http://etherpad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-mir [18:39] Unit193, if it's okay for you, can you send a mail to the list announcing the mir ISO? [18:39] I think I might make a youtube video [18:40] woo pleia2 on a video! [18:40] http://vanir.unit193.tk/dump/xubuntu-13.10-xmir-i386.iso.zsync or http://vanir.unit193.tk/dump/xubuntu-13.10-xmir-i386.iso [18:40] Unit193: assuming it's ok to share that iso link (on your home connection?) [18:40] (There's an md5sum file too.) [18:40] pleia2: VPS, just crappy domain. [18:40] ah ok [18:40] we don't care if you don't care... [18:40] pleia2, can you talk with jjfrv8 about a shell? [18:41] its safe enought to install on real hardware? like if i install it on a partition of my netbook? [18:41] knome: of course [18:42] pleia2, ta [18:42] GridCube: Well you can't use it in a VM, but live booting is a fine test. [18:42] jjfrv8: if you'd like a shell, just email me your preferred password and your id_rsa.pub key to use (or link to one in lp) [18:42] live ok [18:42] GridCube, never install testing stuff on production machines. [18:42] that could do [18:42] (I use grml-rescueboot: drop ISO in /boot/grml/, sudo update-grub, and reboot.) [18:43] thats why i'm asking, i would like to know if its safe enough because this might be our default desktop in less than 2 months [18:43] jjfrv8, if you need help with the shell stuff, feel free to ask me or pretty much anybody in the channel [18:43] i find this matter really worrying [18:44] well i have to go home now [18:45] Dowh, was going to ask him for his inxi -G... [18:49] This still bothers me as a boot result from the latest ISO: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/skellat/audiobox-profile?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=IMG_0039.JPG [18:50] knome: oh right, so you handling getting the docs srued now? [18:51] pleia2, was hoping you would have done that, but i can do that as well [18:51] pleia2, or we can delegate to skellat if he's up to it [18:54] knome: I don't know how :) [18:54] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates [18:55] And I need to scramble to find a charger for my laptop... [18:55] brb [18:56] pleia2, i don't know the exact process either, but AFAIK, it's similar to freeze exception paperwork [18:56] I don't know how to do that either ;) [18:57] stop giving excuses! :P [18:57] pleia2: There is a bug that has to be filed. The wiki link has the template [18:57] I vote for delegate to skellat [18:58] me too, if he's up to it [18:58] skellat, you comfortable with doing it? [18:58] it just magically creates the package from the branch? [18:58] pleia2, i don't know about building magic... [18:58] pleia2: No, there is an SRU team to review things [19:00] There is criteria to consider here for if we qualify for SRU process: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#When [19:00] skellat, we do. [19:00] skellat, there will be nobody saying we can't do that SRU. if somebody says, point them to me [19:01] Okay [19:01] skellat, it's a no-brainer: it affects nobody except xubuntu, it can't break other packages [19:01] pleia2 will need to work with me on this as I need a bug control master to nominate for series once I do the paperwork [19:01] skellat, neither me or pleia2 can do that afaik [19:01] or we can probably both nominate [19:01] so just ping us if you need us. [19:01] If you can change severity, you can do it [19:02] skellat, so can i mark you as the assignee now? ;) [19:02] Not yet [19:02] Is the changelog completely done for this? [19:02] i'm comfortable with out changelog [19:02] We'll need to insert some "Closes LP#" language in there [19:02] *our [19:03] you need to file that bug first then... [19:03] But I gotta create the bug first so we can have that [19:03] yeah [19:03] so can i now set you as the assignee? be assured i will give you all the support you need. [19:03] :) [19:04] Go for it [19:04] thanks [19:04] Unit193: is inxi in the repos or just that ppa? [19:04] Did we actually ship proper documentation with 12.04? [19:04] it seems like that would be super helpful to have in the repos [19:04] !info inxi saucy [19:04] skellat, not really, the docs were from far away [19:04] inxi (source: inxi): full featured system information script. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.9.12-1 (saucy), package size 115 kB, installed size 438 kB [19:04] woot! [19:04] bluesabre: It should be in ppa:skellat/tests done via backportpackage [19:05] bluesabre: Installed in the ISO too, for reasons. :P [19:05] :) [19:05] thanks again skellat. i'm just so much more comfortable somebody running the process, even if they asked me about it every day. [19:07] so anybody else want to take any other bug assigned to xubuntu-team at http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-s/group/topic-s-flavor-xubuntu.html ? [19:07] looks like there aren't too many. yay! [19:08] elfy, can you confirm if the testcase bug statuses are up-to-date? [19:08] elfy, seems like there are many inprogress [19:09] elfy, and/or todo [19:09] i'll take this one: [19:09] elfy, if you want, i can run through them with you later today [19:09] the in progress ones are afaik [19:09] [smd-seandavis] Work to gain packageset uploader rights for Xubuntu through Developer Membership Board process: TODO [19:09] bluesabre, that's already assigned to you :P [19:09] :D [19:09] elfy, abiword is set as "TODO" [19:10] elfy, xfce appearance settings as "INPROGRESS" [19:10] but i thought i have already done those. [19:10] I'll loook [19:10] done as in added to the tracker [19:10] cheers [19:10] anything that is in the tracker (even the admin side) can be marked fix released [19:10] How do the "Test Needed" qa's work? They're in need of a test case to be written? [19:10] ganglere1, yes [19:10] ganglere1: yep [19:11] I might to be honest move the autopilot ones [19:11] not really any chance of them getting sorted afaik [19:12] elfy, I can help a bit with the autopilot ones if I find free time [19:12] ok [19:12] I played with it a bit, doesn't seem too hard [19:12] tbh I am still firmly on the fence [19:12] elfy, oh, ah, those are autopilot tests [19:12] knome: some are :) [19:12] elfy, we should rename the bugs that it was clear they are [19:12] I'll sort it out in a bit [19:13] yep [19:16] knome: http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/admin/config/services/qatracker/testcases [19:16] there they need to be? [19:16] elfy, yup [19:16] thought so [19:17] oh good, I didn't have to ask for the link [19:17] We aren't shipping translations in docs? I've been seeing po files come in. [19:17] I'll work through it all now [19:17] !info xubuntu-docs precise [19:17] Unit193, no, i should look how to do that. [19:17] xubuntu-docs (source: xubuntu-docs): xubuntu documentation. In component universe, is optional. Version 11.10.0 (precise), package size 728 kB, installed size 1960 kB [19:18] knome: That, re-write SD, setup meetings, you have a lot. :P [19:19] Unit193, sure. [19:19] Unit193, rewriting the SD is taking half-a-day and just getting on with it :) [19:21] LP Bug 1207493 [19:21] Launchpad bug 1207493 in xubuntu-docs (Ubuntu) "Documentation does not match shipped system version (11.10 shipped with 12.04)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1207493 [19:24] skellat, does those changes look like what you need? [19:27] knome: Which changes are you referring to? [19:28] Ah [19:28] Those changes [19:28] Not fix completed [19:28] Was the changelog updated to add the LP bug number? If not, I'm working on a merge proposal real fast. [19:28] skellat, i'll do that in a minute [19:29] I'm pushing a branch up now for MP [19:31] knome: https://code.launchpad.net/~skellat/xubuntu-docs/precise/+merge/178156 [19:35] skellat, thanks, merged [19:35] knome: when you got a minute can we just run through adding a testcase [19:36] elfy, sure [19:36] elfy, are you ready now? [19:39] yep [19:39] sorry - not looking at timestamps :) [19:41] knome: whenever you are [19:42] lol [19:42] so open the admin [19:42] then go to the testcases tab, and click "add a testcase" [19:42] yep [19:42] then find the id [19:42] now you should have the bzr branch open [19:42] no [19:42] you don't input the id [19:43] just get a test from the branch that doesn't have an ID [19:43] they all have that I can see [19:44] knome: The SRU is filed and our involvement for the moment is done. [19:44] skellat, ta [19:44] elfy, in that case, there is no testcase to add. [19:44] mmm [19:44] elfy, or somebody has come up with an ID [19:44] so it's there somewhere? [19:44] anyway [19:45] you basically copy-paste the testcase content [19:45] and add the title [19:45] oh [19:45] THEN the tracker will show what ID is linked with that test [19:45] and then rename the file in the branch and commit/push the changes [19:46] so as testcases in the branch shouldn't be given ID's if nobody has added them to the tracker [19:47] knome: so something is wrong - in http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/admin/config/services/qatracker/testcases [19:47] 1589 is Xfce4 Thunar Volman [19:47] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-testcase/ubuntu-manual-tests/trunk/files/head:/testcases/packages/ [19:48] 1589 is Time Administration [19:48] elfy, yes [19:48] elfy, somebody has "guessed" an ID for time-admin in the branch [19:48] ... [19:48] elfy, if you look under "Xfce", thunar volman is also 1589 [19:49] yep [19:49] so someone is just guessing at id's [19:49] yup. [19:49] that's helpful [19:50] anyboby that isn't a tracker admin and inserting tests shouldn't give tests ID's [19:50] that's what the mess was the last time as well. [19:50] indeed [19:50] well I know for fact it wasn't me - I've only looked at it the last time we did :) [19:51] yeah. [19:51] right - well I - perhaps stupidly assumed these things talked to each other - and you could just tell it an ID [19:52] I've not got time to do all that tonight - I'm just having a break from dealing with the sso fallout [19:52] I'll have to look - I should be able to follow the log here [19:52] i can fix that later [19:53] I've gone through the bugs - renamed OUR a/pilot stuff so it is obvious [19:53] checked all the bugs - marked those on tracker as released [19:53] EXCEPT settings manager - that needs to be checked to make sure all bits are tested somewhere [19:54] so https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-s-qa is up to date [19:54] ta [19:54] 10 left commited - working from the bottom - stuff at top is all autopilot [19:55] :) [19:55] still showing 13% of 56 - I guess it's not caught up [19:55] yeah, it's not live [19:55] it'll update at some point [19:56] Last updated: Thu 01 August 2013, 18:59 UTC tomorrow I guess :D [19:56] that's an hour ago [19:57] yea - bet it'll do it 2/8/13 @ 18:59 :) [19:57] it used to be once in an hour-3 last cycle [19:58] knome: just so I have it right in my head - a testcase on branch with a bad ID - how would you un-ID it? [19:59] I'll work on it all over the weekend then [19:59] elfy, just rename it to not have an ID. [20:00] elfy, or add it to the tracker and rename to new ID [20:00] elfy, but as i said, i can look into that later today... :) [20:00] ok [20:00] (once i've stopped confusing poor balloons) [20:00] ok [20:00] :) [20:02] poor balloons [20:06] Also, ISO is growing it would seem. :/ [20:06] don't know about confusing balloons - does me [20:07] I just find it hilarious how unjoined up the qa stuff is [20:08] there's just a bit too many levels for packages [20:09] for ISO's, they all make sense [20:11] not what I mean - in a sensible world - you'd merge a testcase - give it a number - go to packages.qa - give that the number - done [20:12] in the ideal world, there was a script that did that for us [20:12] :) [20:12] and that would be completely doable with the API [20:18] doable you say mmmm [20:18] ;) [20:18] well there is a python API... [20:18] python you say mmmm [20:19] i can give it a shot :) [20:19] heh, well you should ask balloons first ;) [20:20] where is this balloons? [20:20] #ubuntu-quality [20:21] but it's my turn to pester him now >:) [20:21] he's the ubuntu/canonical qa lead [20:21] okay i shall poke him after [20:33] knome, hi. I'll e-mail pleia2 the info she requested for getting the screen set up. [20:33] jjfrv8, awesome. if you need help with that, or setting the screen up after, just ping people in the channel [20:35] I was trying to avoid letting the world see how ignorant I was about that stuff :) I've got it running now headless on a Raspberry pi but that has its disadvantages too. [20:36] Hah! Awesome! [20:36] :) [21:07] knome: ok - blueprint is up to date again [21:11] elfy, goodie [21:12] there's still a few to do - I'll look at those over weekend - need to do it myself [21:12] mhm [21:12] or just wait others to pick them up [21:13] no - I meant there are 3 merged that need to go into packages tracker [21:13] not testcases :) [21:13] aha [21:13] I'll also look at testcases that can be in testsuites [21:14] did you read my discussion with balloons today? [21:14] kind of - in between talking to people in forum :( [21:14] we probably want to leave the obviously shared stuff, like firefox and thunderbird, out of the xubuntu product [21:14] yea - wouldn't move anything that was like that [21:15] yup, good [21:15] xfce window manager for instance - needs to be on packages and in xfce testsuite [21:15] yup! [21:16] I'd forgotten you had to recreate the testcase - which was why it was making no sense to me :) [21:16] hehe [23:10] knome: any reason not to link up new 12.04 docs on the website now? (updated to version 65) [23:10] s/website/docs site [23:10] no [23:10] k, on it [23:11] ta [23:13] there we go, shiny [23:13] ooh ooh :) [23:14] i like our docs progress. [23:14] yeah, we're like a real operating system \o/ [23:14] haha [23:14] something like that [23:15] pleia2: Once you're done, could you pretty please update LP Bug #1207493 with a comment to mention you've updated the website docs and give a link to such? [23:15] Launchpad bug 1207493 in xubuntu-docs (Ubuntu) "Documentation does not match shipped system version (11.10 shipped with 12.04)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1207493 [23:17] Adding the comment will help with questions from the SRU team [23:18] hmm, should probably just add xubuntu-website to the affected projects [23:19] there we go [23:19] Noo [23:19] Not that [23:20] pleia2, not really... [23:20] :) [23:20] oh? [23:20] I meant literally just add a comment stating "Our online public-facing documentation has been just updated at http://docs.xubuntu.org to reflect what is in the requested stable release update." [23:20] s|org|org/| [23:21] skellat: ah, well this communicates the same thing, should be ok [23:21] Just need something like that to add tracking for the SRU team. [23:22] Okay. Somebody needs to poke Scott Kitterman or Brian Murray to look at the SRU proposal then. [23:23] skellat, done @#ubuntu-release. [23:23] thanks knome [23:23] no problem [23:28] pleia2, can i pm you? [23:28] GridCube: shoot [23:40] So since it's being sent to the list, any last changes requested to the page? [23:41] it's lovely [23:41] but it is testing of XMir - so might want to be clear about that [23:42] XMir != Mir :) [23:42] Hah, only because Pasi made it to be. ;) I thought that was pretty clear, but alrighty. XMir uses Mir, sooo. [23:42] But, sure. [23:42] Unit193, yeah, i get that highlight too :) [23:42] Figured you would. [23:43] quick, stop talking about gnome with a k behind his bad! [23:43] back too! [23:43] But you wouldn't if I used your surname! (Mainly because I would spell it very badly.) [23:43] Unit193: pro tip: it's in his whois [23:43] (And /who, ident) [23:44] indeed [23:44] lol ;) [23:44] heh, actually i do have my surname on the highlight too [23:45] maybe you should all try to spell it without looking at it [23:45] s/Mir/XMir/ done. [23:45] and i could add that to the hilight list too :P [23:45] ohanillaL [23:45] canonifolks tell me that mailing list archive queuerunner is going again, should take a few hours to get archives up to date again [23:46] maybe by tomorrow we can tweet GridCube's ml post [23:46] duh. :) [23:46] GridCube: Thanks for posting! [23:46] Unit193, i see what you did there! [23:47] Hrm, I didn't make a note that it had to be on real hardware, and that virtual machines don't count... [23:48] Unit193, you can still fix that. [23:49] Hrm, wording, wording... After making public! :D [23:51] I didn't indicate the use of DVDs, but people are smart enough to figure that out, right? "...to add the ISO to grub. However you do it, you can not use a virtual machine." ? :P [23:51] they can just ask if they don't understand.