[02:00] taking freenode.net mobile === _salem is now known as salem_ === salem_ is now known as _salem [04:26] Good morning [04:46] Howdy. [05:38] Hello Noskcaj how's the translation fixing with kirkland? [05:46] smartboyhw, good. I've fix the.pot file on Launchpad, the one in testdrive is now current and testdrive actually includes translations [05:46] *fixed [05:46] Noskcaj, great:) [05:46] Now we can enable translations for everybody:P [05:47] yep. I've also fixed a stack of lintian warnings and made testdrive a debian "native" package [05:49] Noskcaj, wait. Why native? [05:49] Give me a proper explanation plz. [05:49] as in the debian/sources/format file say 3.0 (native) rather than 3.0 (quilt). This is becuse the debin folder is a stock part of testdrive [05:51] Noskcaj, OK. [05:51] Has the code been merged in? [05:52] half has, then kirkland went offline and i had school [05:52] also, i'm part of the testdrive maintainers group now [05:53] Noskcaj, good job:) [05:53] :) [05:53] Heck, I'm too busy with Kubuntu here;P [05:56] I've found time to finally maintain stuff in debian and to mod my PC. Although that's about all i've done [05:57] Noskcaj, well it's summer holidays, of course you have time.... [05:59] smartboyhw, no it's not. It's winter and school is happening [06:00] Noskcaj, well "Winter" holidays for you I thought;P [06:00] Anyways... [06:00] FYI: holidays only go for two weeks here. [06:00] Noskcaj: So, the Testdrive hackfest, when can you stay till? [06:00] also, I GOT SPONSORED BY IceModz.com [06:00] !!! [06:00] :) [06:01] Noskcaj, I knew that, thank you... [06:01] You publicly announced that on your blog, PLZZZZZZ [06:01] Noskcaj, where's the Testdrive Hackfest wiki page? [06:01] smartboyhw, ok. but the stuff is here now. and wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Testdrive/Hackfest [06:04] Noskcaj, I saw one bug talking about pae settings, you want that bug to be fixed? [06:04] In Testdrive project I mean (forgotten the bug no.) [06:05] If somebody is able to add netboot to the ISO testing list, I will really give him a thumbs up:P [06:05] Since it's a different link entirely [06:06] smartboyhw, feel free to add more things to the to-do list. can you add both of those? [06:07] Noskcaj, both? [06:07] netboot is in there already:P [06:07] Noskcaj, I want the Google+ Hangout on 14-15 UTC. [06:07] Plz. [06:07] ok, change it. I'm not going to be online then. [06:08] maybe we finish at 1500 then? [06:08] Noskcaj, well no, I just don't want to do Hangouts when I'm about to sleep. [06:08] I will sleep at 1600 [06:14] ok [06:15] Noskcaj, changed [06:15] :) [06:16] Noskcaj, I'm now thinking about Parallels. [06:17] If someone pulls that off... [06:17] Andres will drop it, so I guess in the wiki page don't say "fix" it? [06:17] I think it's rather difficult to.... [06:17] You know, fix [06:19] Noskcaj, it's better you post to Planet Ubuntu to promote the Testdrive Hackfest [06:19] So we can include it in the coming UWN [06:19] And ofc, tell everyone you are now one of the maintainers:P [06:20] WT, you got 8580 karma in Launchpad!!?!? [06:20] smartboyhw, I'll leave parallels in the hackfest for if someone wants to make it work. [06:20] I got 7682 only:( [06:20] Translations FTW! [06:20] I've got about 2000 through other stuff [06:20] Noskcaj, most of mine from packaging:P [06:21] You got 170 in Soyuz, I'm 5960 [06:21] So, too focused on packaging it seems;P [06:21] i'd say that [06:22] i'll be back soon. i have jobs to do and a case handle to make [06:22] Noskcaj, you got a job!?!?!? [06:28] smartboyhw, no, i mean, feed animals, carry rubbish to the bins, etc. although with a family of 7 and 50+ animals, i chould be getting payed ;) [06:28] *should [06:28] Noskcaj, LOL\ [07:32] Good Morning all :-) [07:33] Hey DanChapman [07:34] smartboyhw, hey! How was your trip to London? [07:35] DanChapman, greato [07:35] awesome! [07:58] jibel: hey, how are you? Any idea why the terminal test has an import error? I've been trying to figure it out but it runs fine locally. [08:02] DanChapman, Hi, I'm fine thanks. It is because the file is not in python path. I'll add '.' before starting autopilot, that shoudl fix the problem === iahmad is now known as iahmad|afk [08:18] jibel, brilliant cheers mate. [08:44] smartboyhw, one other testdrive thing. Have you translated it to all the languages you know? [08:45] Noskcaj, no. And translating to Chinese takes a real lot of time. [08:45] Not like English (Australia) [08:45] After all, it's not-Latin. [08:45] And I only use Pinyin instead of the better Cangjie or Quick [08:45] Since I don't know the latter two. [08:45] I will ask people to help, no worries;P [08:46] Noskcaj, can you ask kirkland to kill the 3.21 SRU to raring? [08:46] Obviously it can't be an "SRU", since it introduces new features [08:47] smartboyhw, ok, and will do, although kirkland and roaxsoak have power === iahmad|afk is now known as iahmad [08:56] smartboyhw, What do you think i still need to do with the hackfest on planet ubuntu? http://noskcaj10.wordpress.com/?p=143&preview=true [08:56] Noskcaj, eh, that page gave me a 404, thank you [08:56] I'll put it up then, should be fine. [08:59] Noskcaj, I got somebody that will help translate UbuntuKylin to Chinese [08:59] :P [08:59] smartboyhw, please tell me you typed that wrong. [09:00] Noskcaj, no I didn't. That somebody will tell a whole GROUP of people to translate. [09:00] A GROUP of people is much faster than me. [09:00] And as I said, my translation speed is VERY slow. [09:02] smartboyhw, ok, cool. the bit that confused me was "I got somebody that will help translate UbuntuKylin to Chinese" when kylin is already chinese. I see what you meant though [09:02] Noskcaj, s*** I mean testdrive [09:02] And BTW UbuntuKylin isn't translated fully INTO Chinese:P [09:03] lololololololololololol [09:03] :) [09:03] lololololololololololololololololololololol [09:03] So Noskcaj your post managed to copy everything from the wiki page. Good job. [09:04] :) [09:04] Don't copy next time, plz. [09:05] smartboyhw, i tried to edit the bits that mattered [09:26] DanChapman, I failure left in terminal tests https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/autopilot-ubuntu-applications/35/testReport/ [09:26] DanChapman, it is probably because the terminal is open from the current directory not $HOME [09:28] jibel, yeah just seen it. I will change it to get the cwd and test it that way. Thanks for sorting that out :-) [09:29] DanChapman, that or launch with gnome-terminal --working-directory=~ [09:30] or the value of $HOME if ap doesn't expand ~ [09:35] jibel, the --working-directory works a treat. thanks [10:00] good morning all [10:11] Ouch, Noskcaj left [10:11] Good evening slickymaster [10:14] smartboyhw: hi, morning here ;) [10:15] slickymaster, morning! [10:15] DanChapman, good morning [11:06] jibel: do you have an lxc setup to give https://code.launchpad.net/~racb/ubuntu/saucy/autopkgtest/lxc/+merge/172856 a try? if not, I'll postpone that until after the holidays [11:06] jibel: it currently needs cloud-images containers, not debootstrap ones, so I'll think about how to install that on ubuntu builds only [11:12] pitti, I am not sure to have time to test it today [11:13] jibel: ok, no worries; this isn't super-urgent === om26er is now known as om26er|internet_ === om26er|internet_ is now known as om26er === _salem is now known as salem_ === salem_ is now known as _salem === _salem is now known as salem_ [15:22] balloons, PING PING PING [15:22] Can you promote Testdrive Hackfest for us? [15:22] us = me + Noskcaj [15:23] smartboyhw, evening to you [15:23] it's next saturday :-) [15:23] coming up fast :-) [15:24] and yes, I most certainly can [15:25] balloons, many thanks! [15:25] Noskcaj is now in the Testdrive team BTQW [15:25] *BTW [15:26] I'm happy to see you guys have specifics to work on, a nice timeframe and hosted hangouts.. Good work, I think it will come together nicely for you [15:27] Actually smartboyhw I'll make a g+ event for folks [15:27] balloons, GOOD [15:29] Thank you! [15:30] smartboyhw, bah, I can't find you on g+ [15:30] balloons, !? [15:30] Ho Wan Chan [15:30] It's not Howard Chan at least;P [15:30] ahh, not howard.. :-) [15:30] LOL [15:30] your in my friends, it should pop.. but it wasn't, lol [15:30] balloons, LOL [15:33] balloons, sorry for intruding so abruptly but since you're speaking about Noskcaj, do you think he might had forgotten this https://code.launchpad.net/~slickymaster/ubuntu-manual-tests/Orage/+merge/177683 [15:51] ohh my slickymaster didn't even see your message :-) [15:51] balloons, np [15:52] balloons, as you were speaking about Noskcaj with smartboyhw I remember to ask you if it was possible that he might had forgotten to merge https://code.launchpad.net/~slickymaster/ubuntu-manual-tests/Orage/+merge/177683 [15:52] slickymaster, sure.. it sounds like he was ready to merge it. I can certainly do so, but it seems he wanted a few changes -- can you make them? [15:53] btw, great work on all the xubuntu testcases.. It's amazing they've all been written [15:54] DanChapman, ohh mate, I wanted to ask you about ubiquity.. did you get followup on the errors? [15:54] balloons, of course I can, I posted exactly that asking him,and as he haven't answered me until now I imagine that he completely forgot it [15:54] yea, most likely. I'd make the change and send another message. if he doesn't merge it over the weekend, I'll do it for you ;-) [15:54] balloons: it's best to follow up with somebody who wrote autopilot, as that's unrelated to ubiquity nor the tests. [15:54] balloons, ok, will do it, then [15:54] perfect [15:55] balloons, thanks [15:55] balloons, hello! [16:00] hey xnox, DanChapman. So the issue boils down to an autopilot bug [16:00] ? [16:01] balloons: what's the autopilot bug? [16:03] robotfuel, we've been getting an attribute error, Process object has no poll attribute [16:03] robotfuel, https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/autopilot_ubiquity-saucy/20/ARCH=i386,TESTNAME=ubiquity,label=rabisu/testReport/ubiquity.tests.test_default/DefaultInstallTests/test_default_install/ [16:05] DanChapman, so no changes have been pushed to the code.. and thus it started then when a new version of autopilot hit? [16:05] robotfuel: we had our own way to specify private dbus address, and now the new way to do it, interferes with us. and i'm not sure how to port ubiquity to new way. [16:05] or some such. [16:06] robotfuel: our wrapper script starts dbus session bus as root and starts ubiquity & autopilot with that bus in environment. but now it throws a hizzy fit =) [16:06] balloons, i made some changes to the tests but they were running fine until ap updated [16:07] xnox: do you have a bug open? [16:07] yes, ^^ ? [16:07] robotfuel: no. I wasn't sure where to investigate it further. [16:07] ok, well, let's get one opened up :-) [16:08] xnox: we can ask for more info if we need it [16:10] robotfuel: [16:10] bug #1207824 [16:10] bug 1207824 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "custom session DBUS" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1207824 [16:10] it's against autopilot & ubiquity [16:12] thanks xnox [16:13] xnox: thanks [16:50] xnox: this was the commit that broke your test https://code.launchpad.net/~veebers/autopilot/fix_1206011_launch_test_app_dbus_bus/+merge/177334 [16:52] robotfuel: but i guess you want that, thus ubiquity should be fixed. but i didn't look deep enough to see how ubiquity should be fixed =) [16:53] xnox: if you have a custom dbus session bus address you need to add it to your get_autopilot_proxy_object_for_process(my_process, None, dbus_bus= ) [16:53] xnox: by default it's using session [16:54] xnox: which wasn't the case before [16:54] robotfuel: ack, thanks. I'll look into that next week =) [17:34] guten abend dkessel [17:34] hallo balloons! :) [17:35] wie geht? [17:35] was? [17:36] sorry knome I know exactly 0 words in Finnish :-( [17:37] balloons, mitä kuuluu? [17:37] balloons, == what's up? [17:37] fixed that for you ;) [17:38] knome, I want to answer "the sky" [17:38] :-p [17:38] * balloons wonders how on earth to pronounce that [17:38] mir geht es gut balloons. aber es ist etwas warm hier. [17:38] lol ;) [17:38] knome, mitä kuuluu? [17:38] balloons, that joke doesn't work in finnish ;) [17:38] knome, hah! [17:39] balloons, but the literal translation can be "what do you hear" [17:39] ahh, it literally means What do you hear? [17:39] yes ;) [17:39] :-) [17:39] so you can answer "i'm listening to ..." [17:40] dkessel, gut! es ist warm hier auch. Ich mag es :-) [17:40] that explains the many finnish bands :) if people have to explain all day what they are listening to.... [17:40] hahah [17:41] dkessel, minulle kuuluu hyvää. entä sinulle? [17:41] knome: ??? :) [17:41] dkessel, just answering your question! [17:42] lol! a little friday evening fun.. So knome since I stopped hacking autopilot, shall we finish the mockup from yesterday? [17:42] balloons, later, if that works for you [17:42] knome, I think the ball is mostly in my court. I'll try and update things now [17:42] sure [17:42] knome, minulle kuuluu hyvää :) [17:42] \o/ [17:42] google translate? [17:43] mhh yeah some translation site :) [17:43] dict.cc, actually [17:43] heh [17:43] who needs translation sites for finnish? O:) [17:50] * dkessel talks to cat: no cat, it's 30°C in here. there's lying on my lap today.... [17:50] does he like your lap or your shoulders better? [17:50] knome, when you'd like to have a look; http://packages.qa.dev.stgraber.org/qatracker/milestones/254/builds/27972/testcases [17:51] balloons, exactly what i was looking for ++ [17:51] I want delve into the conversation now.. we can save it for later. but I have some thoughts [17:52] i can do that now ;) [17:52] resolved other issues already [17:52] lol.. well, I should keep moving forward.. I've got to roll out the next cadence week for tomorrow [17:53] almost today, it's getting late in europe and I want to have it up :-) [17:53] ah... [17:53] oki [17:53] just ping me when you have time :) [17:53] ohh.. I thought it was 1700 here.. [17:53] it's 1400.. hah! [17:53] sure, let's chat [17:54] hehe [17:54] weirdo [17:54] ;) [17:54] balloons, lol [17:54] ok, so looking at http://packages.qa.dev.stgraber.org/qatracker/milestones/254/builds would there every be anything else under (product) xubuntu besides xubuntu desktop tests? [17:55] balloons, no. (and i'd remove the redundant "Tests" -part) [17:55] Seems a bit silly to have that distinction then, eh? Why not have this be the main screen right? http://packages.qa.dev.stgraber.org/qatracker/milestones/254/builds/27972/testcases [17:56] balloons, in the future we can expand that to [17:56] xubuntu autopilot tests [17:56] or "xubuntu smoketests for new features" [17:57] we will have one redundant level anyway, and i'd rather have it in the "top" end [17:57] because we will always be able to skip that if we link directly to the product [17:57] does that make sense to you? [17:58] and to expand the idea before, the product could also be "Xubuntu alternative image tests" (if we had an alt, and if it was any different) [18:01] I'm just trying to get a sense for what else would be listed in the top level [18:01] basically nothing else atm [18:01] but my point is, [18:01] we will have a redundant level anyway [18:02] why not have it in the top rather than having to dig three levels into "fileroller" ? :) [18:06] sure, sure ;-) [18:07] just trying to see if any sanity existed for having something else up there [18:07] ok, so what does this break if anything.. hmm hmm [18:07] if we want, we can list the autopilot tests there [18:07] and while they aren't reported in the tracker, they can be there for completeness [18:09] I think it can work like this.. I was expecting the data to not line up so well, but as usual, I think this makes it easier for everyone.. me too [18:09] (or we can simply list the autopilot tests that exist for a product) [18:09] yes, automated tests are an example of what else could go there [18:10] so that's just to indicate that this is the level that will expand, if any [18:11] right.. again, understanding what could expand that level.. I'm thinking if we cared about say arch differences, or live session/not live session perhaps.. stuff like that might make sense there.. stuff of that high level of a distinction [18:11] yup [18:11] exactly [18:11] cool.. So, the real question is how to convert everything then [18:11] heh [18:11] just do it [18:12] ;) [18:12] ok, I'm going to type my way through this.. [18:12] as i said, there's the xubuntu desktop product in the production tracker ready [18:12] ok, so you see this page [18:12] (just create the saucy daily milestone and make the xubuntu product appear) [18:13] all those milestones.. we drop and remove them from view completely (so status is archived, not released) [18:13] mhm [18:13] i can't see those though [18:13] right.. if we set them as released, they might confuse and clutter because of the changes.. we have the choice though [18:13] i can only see up to the xubuntu desktop product [18:14] that's something you need to decide, but i'd probably simply mark them archived [18:17] alright. Next we make a saucy daily milestone [18:18] Then we create product familes for each flavor. Next, we create a "desktop/manual test" product for each flavor and assign it as a member of the flavors product family [18:19] finally, we add testsuites that group each of the testcases into logical units (internet, office, etc, etc). then we add those testsuites to the "desktop/manual test" product for each flavor [18:19] (what i also like in this new system is that it reminds the ISO tracker, and thus should be pretty intuitive for anybody having used the ISO tracker) [18:19] finally we publish a build pushing the desktop/manual tests out to saucy daily [18:19] yup [18:19] what we lose is the ability to track package specific changes in doing this [18:20] hmm, what changes? [18:20] as testcases are the only representation of a package [18:20] do you see that as a problem? [18:20] that said, I think we might be able to retain our current setup for calls for testing, so we can track packages.. but then the products page might be funny.. hmm [18:20] (i'm still not sure what you mean though) [18:21] right, let me give you an example [18:21] sure [18:21] check this out: http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/262/history [18:22] we tracked changes in the smart scopes ppa so the bugs and reports lined up with the ppa version.. everytime a new version was pushed, the package was updated [18:22] well.. sorry, a new build on the tracker was pushed [18:22] right [18:22] ala, the iso tracker style [18:22] i'm still not quite "on it" :) [18:23] knome, what do you mean? so in this case if "ubuntu desktop tests" is the product, we can't track it like this [18:23] can't you track changes on the testcase level? [18:23] no, you can't push a new build for a testcase [18:23] we track products, lol [18:24] so do you see that as a problem? [18:25] knome, for this type of thing, yes [18:25] we can still track the product bugs/changes, and isn't that what's important for an OS to track? [18:25] we need the current setup in order to be able to track a package [18:26] I would say for our normal "daily" testing that the tracking isn't needed [18:26] indeed, perhaps it's not needed for calls for testing eitheir.. you can argue those things. That said, it's not possible to do if it is needed [18:26] if you need to track say, Unity, just create a Unity product under the Ubuntu family, right? [18:26] yes [18:26] we always can do different things [18:27] and we'd make a milestone just for it as always [18:27] sure [18:27] so you'd see saucy daily, as we've presented it [18:27] but i'd say not all packages need to have their own product [18:27] then a unity test -- scopes milestone or something [18:27] at least not from xubuntu's point of view [18:27] I agree.. it's not sustainable.. the admin interface is overrun quickly doing that [18:29] ok, so, heh, shall we do this for this week's testing :-) [18:29] sure. [18:29] again, the xubuntu desktop product is ready in the production tracker if you want to see how it looks like in reality ;) [18:29] ahh yes, you keep mentioning this.. [18:30] ;) [18:30] well, we created it with this mindset [18:30] so it's a real example [18:30] ohh lookey there [18:30] :-) [18:30] LOL [18:30] * balloons is a slow floater [18:30] hehe [18:31] that's why i've been so convinced this is the right way - we already did the brainwork ;) [18:31] ok, so new familes are xubuntu, ubuntu and multi-flavor [18:32] i'll need to add at least lubuntu to start as well I think [18:32] sounds correct [18:33] k, archiving the milestones [18:33] :) [18:35] ok, only saucy daily exists [18:36] wooo [18:36] k, xubuntu first since it's ready [18:36] \o/ [18:37] boom [18:37] http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/300/builds/50384/testcases [18:37] awesome. [18:37] it's beautiful [18:37] it is [18:37] no redundant clicking [18:38] as always knome your input is most treasured.. many thanks [18:38] just get-to-the-point and enable people to test [18:38] no problem :) [18:38] i like the grouping.. seeing it in action is believing.. [18:38] we might want to move Xfce as a product at some point [18:38] I wanted to go with the grouping idea, but I didn't quite bring it this far along.. I think this can work [18:38] I was going to ask you about that :-) [18:38] since it's shared :-) [18:39] but let's keep it as is for now [18:39] oh btw, xubuntu desktop seems to be under the ubuntu family ;) [18:39] yea, everything was reset to ubuntu [18:39] almost every product I should say [18:39] :) [18:39] fixed :-) [18:40] nice [18:40] elfy, ping [18:42] so brainstorming multi-flavor.. I'm thinking kernel, and x stuff.. put that in one product.. then make just a generic "packages" product too, or make it all under one banner.. hmm perhaps one banner is fine [18:43] hehe, yip [18:43] *yup [18:43] any "packages" or "tests" group is redundant [18:43] do we have a better term than multi-flavor? [18:43] you *are* on the *PACKAGES* *TESTING* tracker [18:44] common ? [18:44] ok, multi-flavor is up.. renaming is easy, so :-) [18:44] hm let's see if the jenkins tests still fail if i install ALL build-deps as a pre-condition.... [18:45] knome: pong [18:45] elfy, http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/ [18:45] elfy, see how we're organized now? [18:46] http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/300/builds/50384/testcases [18:46] nice [18:46] isn't it! [18:46] balloons, re multi-flavor [18:47] that's awesome [18:47] balloons, i'd probably add products like "X", "audio" [18:47] would you? I was debating [18:47] balloons, does that make sense? [18:47] btw, I like common.. elfy your thoughts on what to call it? [18:47] agnostic [18:47] balloons, and please stop using "Tests" ;) [18:47] but common works [18:48] balloons, as i said, it's redundant, you are on the *TESTING* tracker [18:48] :) [18:48] anywhere you see tests, feel free to rename [18:48] I've been doing it as I see them [18:48] hehe [18:48] i'll run a big commit some day then :P [18:48] of course, we'll have to sync the lp source [18:48] yea :-) [18:48] but testsuites was were I was worrying about it [18:48]