| GridCube | :) im making a booteable SD card :D | 00:58 |
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| slooksterpsv | has anyone test out the XMir iso of Xubuntu? | 01:13 |
| Unit193 | I've done 3 with the new spin. | 01:13 |
| Unit193 | Howdy. | 01:13 |
| Unit193 | (Not just me of course, just answering for myself.) | 01:14 |
| slooksterpsv | I know it's alpha, but I may run it as my primary linux os just to see what glitches, bugs, etc. I have using it day to day with XFCE apps | 01:15 |
| slooksterpsv | do you feel it's becoming mature enough to completely replace X? | 01:15 |
| Unit193 | Heh, must be working better than it did for me. Not right now I don't, no, but that's me. | 01:15 |
| slooksterpsv | by the way this is my primary alias, on Xubuntu side I come in as shawnb - it's been busy so I haven't done much but I saw the email for the XMir and am pretty excited about it | 01:16 |
| Unit193 | pleia2: Poke, still around? | 01:21 |
| pleia2 | si | 01:21 |
| Unit193 | That was quick. Mind if I crop everything above my nick to "we're collecting" in the pad? | 01:22 |
| pleia2 | go for it | 01:22 |
| Unit193 | Boom, ta. | 01:23 |
| sak_ | finally got freenode.net working on my android | 01:59 |
| Unit193 | Hah, congrats. yaircc? | 02:01 |
| sak_ | thanks | 02:02 |
| pleia2 | Unit193: do we want to collect the feedback again for mir folks? | 16:39 |
| pleia2 | I mean, we are collecting, but emailing it to them :) | 16:39 |
| * GridCube thinks we should | 17:05 | |
| gian | i admit i'm not very knowledgeable about these things, but... | 17:11 |
| gian | if you'll be staying with xorg (which i personally hope), do you know if you will depend on xorg components not supported by canonical? | 17:11 |
| gian | if so, perhaps it would be a good idea to liaison with other flavors in the same boat about how to manage the xorg situation | 17:12 |
| elfy | pleia2: I'd agree wiuth GridCube - but let's not be in such a hurry this time to do it - give people enough time to actually try it | 17:18 |
| GridCube | gian: in order to take that desition we need lots and lots of real hardware testings | 17:20 |
| gian | GridCube: yes, among other things, agree | 17:20 |
| GridCube | gian: you should read http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2013/xubuntu-devel.2013-07-11-15.00.log.html | 17:21 |
| GridCube | :D | 17:21 |
| gian | yes, I was present at the meeting | 17:22 |
| GridCube | oh, then you know how its going to be, canonical will not provide support for xorg, and soon engoun not even xmir if i didnt missunderstood | 17:22 |
| gian | hm, not sure that's exactly the full picture, but then i'm not very well acquainted with the technical intricacies | 17:24 |
| gian | it looks to me as a bit of a 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' situation | 17:24 |
| GridCube | we are in a weird place | 17:26 |
| GridCube | yes | 17:26 |
| gian | indeed | 17:27 |
| pleia2 | gian: so there wouldn't need to be a lot of direct collaboration with other flavors, we all use the same exact packages (xorg in this case) so as long as *someone* is maintaining it and we're all testing + filing bugs it should just come together like it always has, even if Canonical isn't paying much attention to it | 17:28 |
| gian | pleia2: agree, i was thinking about that someone | 17:29 |
| gian | if there turns out to be no such person around, that means you basically have no choice | 17:30 |
| pleia2 | well, if no such person comes around then we just do a direct sync from Debian, where someone is maintaining it | 17:30 |
| pleia2 | but I'm not worried | 17:31 |
| pleia2 | enough flavors and derivative will continue to use xorg for now that it'll be handled | 17:31 |
| gian | i hope so too | 17:31 |
| gian | not that switching to debian would be very painful, but i really like what you have done with xubuntu | 17:32 |
| gian | and at least up until now, the ubuntu base has been pretty solid | 17:33 |
| Unit193 | pleia2: Well, didn't get much/any helpful feedback, IMO... | 19:28 |
| pleia2 | Unit193: I disagree | 19:28 |
| pleia2 | maybe we didn't get a lot of quantitative data this time, the feedback we have now is important | 19:29 |
| pleia2 | are there any systems where it worked better? | 19:29 |
| pleia2 | maybe for skellat, since it was working for him all along | 19:29 |
| Unit193 | I was just saying last time didn't go very well, but you are free to disagree. :) | 19:30 |
| Unit193 | (We do have more info this time, yes.) | 19:30 |
| pleia2 | well they fixed our issues from last time | 19:31 |
| pleia2 | we need to keep communicating if we're serious about trying this thing :) | 19:31 |
| pleia2 | woo, mailing list archives are finally caught up to august! | 19:32 |
| pleia2 | knome: care to tweet? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2013-August/009205.html | 19:32 |
| knome | sure | 19:33 |
| knome | tweeted | 19:33 |
| pleia2 | I put it on the facebook and g+ | 19:38 |
| * pleia2 passes around the troll repellent | 19:39 | |
| Unit193 | Heeey! | 19:39 |
| pleia2 | good to be prepared | 19:40 |
| knome | ;) | 19:41 |
| skellat | pleia2: Even if XMir boots for me it is only doing so on an End Of Life netbook from System76. I can't get it to work on our production audio machine for The Burning Circle and other programs. | 20:20 |
| pleia2 | skellat: have you tried the latest image? | 20:21 |
| pleia2 | curious to see progress from everyone who tested previously if possible | 20:21 |
| Unit193 | Yeah, the best computer here doesn't crash on mir, but would be far better as it'd fall to xorg. Completely unusable... | 20:21 |
| skellat | pleia2: Yeah, got a cascade of apport failures in booting on the System76 netbook. I took a picture of what I got on-screen on the super-critical audio production computer here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/skellat/audiobox-profile?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=IMG_0039.JPG | 20:22 |
| pleia2 | good golly | 20:23 |
| skellat | The netbook is ultimately expendable in the grand scheme. The audio production computer isn't. | 20:23 |
| knome | i just got the inspiration for the next xubuntu wallpaper! | 20:23 |
| pleia2 | lol | 20:23 |
| skellat | The parent wiki page has the full lshw output for the XMir developers to mull over | 20:24 |
| * knome can't find wiki.ubuntu.com/Parent | 20:25 | |
| * knome hides | 20:25 | |
| skellat | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/skellat/audiobox-profile | 20:25 |
| pleia2 | thanks, seeing your notes in the etherpad now | 20:25 |
| knome | i know. i'm just telling some really bad jokes. | 20:25 |
| skellat | :-) | 20:26 |
| Unit193 | skellat: Is that an image with the background of the current session? If so, that's better than the stuff happening here! :P | 20:29 |
| skellat | Unit193: No, that's me taking a shot with a camera of what's shown on a 32 inch display | 20:29 |
| Unit193 | Sure, but if the image on the monitor is of the current session, then it's more or less right. | 20:30 |
| skellat | Unit193: It is only more or less right if one has consumer massive quantities of hallucinogenic drugs, though | 20:30 |
| skellat | s/consumer/consumed/ | 20:31 |
| skellat | My hands were very steady on that | 20:32 |
| gian | but...does it at least feel fast and slightly smoother? ;) | 20:32 |
| skellat | I had to pull the plug on that machine as it was unresponsive with that trashed display image and would not even bail out | 20:32 |
| Unit193 | How well does it work to take a video of a monitor? :P | 20:33 |
| skellat | Hmm | 20:33 |
| skellat | I can run such again and post it to YouTube | 20:33 |
| knome | Unit193, badly. i've done that to indicate a failure in the monitors output | 20:33 |
| Unit193 | Bleh... So we're booting a live system, the Lord of the Rings ring is the background on the real system. When in Mir, I see the One Ring, Firefox (which wasn't open before shuting down.), and something else pixelated all over the screen, changing with every twitch of the mouse. | 20:35 |
| Unit193 | :D | 20:35 |
| Unit193 | Not sure I can explain it any better. | 20:35 |
| knome | ugh... | 20:35 |
| skellat | brb | 20:36 |
| skellat | Ran another test, attempting to upload it to YouTube, will post link once it is up | 20:43 |
| elfy | knome: http://pad.ubuntu.com/4XGwzaC0JI | 20:51 |
| elfy | starter for 10 ... | 20:53 |
| knome | optional/mandatory looks good | 20:53 |
| knome | power manager and settings manager could be run once | 20:53 |
| knome | i think xfdesktop and appearance are different enough - if not, we should rather look at merging them | 20:53 |
| knome | same with xfwm4 settings/wm | 20:53 |
| elfy | ok | 20:54 |
| knome | does that make sense to you? | 20:54 |
| elfy | I just made some quick notes | 20:54 |
| elfy | I need to sit down with the settings manager - there might be some in there that should be mandatory and others not | 20:54 |
| elfy | if that's the case we should move mandatory out so we can specify once etc for those | 20:55 |
| elfy | but I need to not look just now :) | 20:55 |
| knome | the settings manager is something that probably gets tested along with the other tests that you run under that | 20:57 |
| knome | eg. getting to the appearance settings requires settings manager working | 20:57 |
| knome | (unless you know the CLI command, but that's obviously cheating) | 20:57 |
| elfy | yea | 20:58 |
| elfy | other thing that needs to be checked is that all setting types are catered for somewhere | 20:58 |
| knome | i'm not following now | 20:59 |
| elfy | I'll make notes on the pad :) | 20:59 |
| knome | sure | 21:00 |
| knome | i played around a bit with it :P | 21:00 |
| knome | re: settings manager tests generally... i'm not sure if we need to test every single button | 21:01 |
| knome | but if people will test those... sure. | 21:02 |
| elfy | agreed | 21:03 |
| elfy | there are ~30 ... | 21:03 |
| elfy | knome can you insert an image into pad? | 21:04 |
| knome | nope | 21:04 |
| knome | use imagebin | 21:04 |
| knome | and link | 21:05 |
| elfy | yea | 21:05 |
| elfy | knome: do the notes I've made make more sense to you? | 21:06 |
| knome | yup | 21:07 |
| elfy | cool | 21:07 |
| elfy | other thing I have thought of - we've created our product - with a bunch of testcases | 21:07 |
| elfy | can someone like ubuntustudio use a testcase in their product if we've used it? | 21:08 |
| knome | sure | 21:08 |
| elfy | ok | 21:08 |
| elfy | if they couldn't then it's tough anyway :) as we wrote the things lol | 21:09 |
| knome | though we should try to put the big, in-common tests in the common pool | 21:09 |
| elfy | I can laugh - was worried for a while | 21:09 |
| elfy | yea agreed | 21:09 |
| knome | but with xfce we can pretty much just even tell them to run the xfce tests under xubuntu | 21:09 |
| elfy | yep | 21:10 |
| elfy | I'd guess that people with someone else doing legwork anyway | 21:10 |
| elfy | knome: thanks for doing optional/mandatory listing - I wanted you to see the currents and changes | 21:13 |
| knome | np :) | 21:15 |
| pleia2 | Unit193: have you been actually installing xubuntu or clicking on "try" like skellat did? | 23:46 |
| Unit193 | Try, it's live and being tested on real machines (also known as, computers that will not be messed up. :P ) | 23:47 |
| pleia2 | ah, I've been installing! | 23:47 |
| pleia2 | suppose I could try no-install on my desktop and other computers | 23:48 |
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