[00:58] <GridCube> :) im making a booteable SD card :D
[01:13] <slooksterpsv> has anyone test out the XMir iso of Xubuntu?
[01:13] <Unit193> I've done 3 with the new spin.
[01:13] <Unit193> Howdy.
[01:14] <Unit193> (Not just me of course, just answering for myself.)
[01:15] <slooksterpsv> I know it's alpha, but I may run it as my primary linux os just to see what glitches, bugs, etc. I have using it day to day with XFCE apps
[01:15] <slooksterpsv> do you feel it's becoming mature enough to completely replace X?
[01:15] <Unit193> Heh, must be working better than it did for me.  Not right now I don't, no, but that's me.
[01:16] <slooksterpsv> by the way this is my primary alias, on Xubuntu side I come in as shawnb - it's been busy so I haven't done much but I saw the email for the XMir and am pretty excited about it
[01:21] <Unit193> pleia2: Poke, still around?
[01:21] <pleia2> si
[01:22] <Unit193> That was quick.  Mind if I crop everything above my nick to "we're collecting" in the pad?
[01:22] <pleia2> go for it
[01:23] <Unit193> Boom, ta.
[01:59] <sak_> finally got freenode.net working on my android
[02:01] <Unit193> Hah, congrats.  yaircc?
[02:02] <sak_> thanks 
[16:39] <pleia2> Unit193: do we want to collect the feedback again for mir folks?
[16:39] <pleia2> I mean, we are collecting, but emailing it to them :)
[17:05]  * GridCube thinks we should
[17:11] <gian> i admit i'm not very knowledgeable about these things, but...
[17:11] <gian> if you'll be staying with xorg (which i personally hope), do you know if you will depend on xorg components not supported by canonical?
[17:12] <gian> if so, perhaps it would be a good idea to liaison with other flavors in the same boat about how to manage the xorg situation
[17:18] <elfy> pleia2: I'd agree wiuth GridCube - but let's not be in such a hurry this time to do it - give people enough time to actually try it
[17:20] <GridCube> gian: in order to take that desition we need lots and lots of real hardware testings
[17:20] <gian> GridCube: yes, among other things, agree
[17:21] <GridCube> gian: you should read http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2013/xubuntu-devel.2013-07-11-15.00.log.html
[17:21] <GridCube> :D
[17:22] <gian> yes, I was present at the meeting
[17:22] <GridCube> oh, then you know how its going to be, canonical will not provide support for xorg, and soon engoun not even xmir if i didnt missunderstood
[17:24] <gian> hm, not sure that's exactly the full picture, but then i'm not very well acquainted with the technical intricacies
[17:24] <gian> it looks to me as a bit of a 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' situation
[17:26] <GridCube> we are in a weird place
[17:26] <GridCube> yes
[17:27] <gian> indeed
[17:28] <pleia2> gian: so there wouldn't need to be a lot of direct collaboration with other flavors, we all use the same exact packages (xorg in this case) so as long as *someone* is maintaining it and we're all testing + filing bugs it should just come together like it always has, even if Canonical isn't paying much attention to it
[17:29] <gian> pleia2: agree, i was thinking about that someone
[17:30] <gian> if there turns out to be no such person around, that means you basically have no choice
[17:30] <pleia2> well, if no such person comes around then we just do a direct sync from Debian, where someone is maintaining it
[17:31] <pleia2> but I'm not worried
[17:31] <pleia2> enough flavors and derivative will continue to use xorg for now that it'll be handled
[17:31] <gian> i hope so too
[17:32] <gian> not that switching to debian would be very painful, but i really like what you have done with xubuntu
[17:33] <gian> and at least up until now, the ubuntu base has been pretty solid
[19:28] <Unit193> pleia2: Well, didn't get much/any helpful feedback, IMO...
[19:28] <pleia2> Unit193: I disagree
[19:29] <pleia2> maybe we didn't get a lot of quantitative data this time, the feedback we have now is important
[19:29] <pleia2> are there any systems where it worked better?
[19:29] <pleia2> maybe for skellat, since it was working for him all along
[19:30] <Unit193> I was just saying last time didn't go very well, but you are free to disagree. :)
[19:30] <Unit193> (We do have more info this time, yes.)
[19:31] <pleia2> well they fixed our issues from last time
[19:31] <pleia2> we need to keep communicating if we're serious about trying this thing :)
[19:32] <pleia2> woo, mailing list archives are finally caught up to august!
[19:32] <pleia2> knome: care to tweet? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2013-August/009205.html
[19:33] <knome> sure
[19:33] <knome> tweeted
[19:38] <pleia2> I put it on the facebook and g+
[19:39]  * pleia2 passes around the troll repellent
[19:39] <Unit193> Heeey!
[19:40] <pleia2> good to be prepared
[19:41] <knome> ;)
[20:20] <skellat> pleia2: Even if XMir boots for me it is only doing so on an End Of Life netbook from System76.  I can't get it to work on our production audio machine for The Burning Circle and other programs.
[20:21] <pleia2> skellat: have you tried the latest image?
[20:21] <pleia2> curious to see progress from everyone who tested previously if possible
[20:21] <Unit193> Yeah, the best computer here doesn't crash on mir, but would be far better as it'd fall to xorg.  Completely unusable...
[20:22] <skellat> pleia2: Yeah, got a cascade of apport failures in booting on the System76 netbook.  I took a picture of what I got on-screen on the super-critical audio production computer here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/skellat/audiobox-profile?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=IMG_0039.JPG
[20:23] <pleia2> good golly
[20:23] <skellat> The netbook is ultimately expendable in the grand scheme.  The audio production computer isn't.
[20:23] <knome> i just got the inspiration for the next xubuntu wallpaper!
[20:23] <pleia2> lol
[20:24] <skellat> The parent wiki page has the full lshw output for the XMir developers to mull over
[20:25]  * knome can't find wiki.ubuntu.com/Parent
[20:25]  * knome hides
[20:25] <skellat> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/skellat/audiobox-profile
[20:25] <pleia2> thanks, seeing your notes in the etherpad now
[20:25] <knome> i know. i'm just telling some really bad jokes.
[20:26] <skellat> :-)
[20:29] <Unit193> skellat: Is that an image with the background of the current session?  If so, that's better than the stuff happening here! :P
[20:29] <skellat> Unit193: No, that's me taking a shot with a camera of what's shown on a 32 inch display
[20:30] <Unit193> Sure, but if the image on the monitor is of the current session, then it's more or less right.
[20:30] <skellat> Unit193: It is only more or less right if one has consumer massive quantities of hallucinogenic drugs, though
[20:31] <skellat> s/consumer/consumed/
[20:32] <skellat> My hands were very steady on that
[20:32] <gian> but...does it at least feel fast and slightly smoother? ;)
[20:32] <skellat> I had to pull the plug on that machine as it was unresponsive with that trashed display image and would not even bail out
[20:33] <Unit193> How well does it work to take a video of a monitor? :P
[20:33] <skellat> Hmm
[20:33] <skellat> I can run such again and post it to YouTube
[20:33] <knome> Unit193, badly. i've done that to indicate a failure in the monitors output
[20:35] <Unit193> Bleh...  So we're booting a live system, the Lord of the Rings ring is the background on the real system.  When in Mir, I see the One Ring, Firefox (which wasn't open before shuting down.), and something else pixelated all over the screen, changing with every twitch of the mouse.
[20:35] <Unit193> :D
[20:35] <Unit193> Not sure I can explain it any better.
[20:35] <knome> ugh...
[20:36] <skellat> brb
[20:43] <skellat> Ran another test, attempting to upload it to YouTube, will post link once it is up
[20:51] <elfy> knome: http://pad.ubuntu.com/4XGwzaC0JI
[20:53] <elfy> starter for 10 ... 
[20:53] <knome> optional/mandatory looks good
[20:53] <knome> power manager and settings manager could be run once
[20:53] <knome> i think xfdesktop and appearance are different enough - if not, we should rather look at merging them
[20:53] <knome> same with xfwm4 settings/wm
[20:54] <elfy> ok
[20:54] <knome> does that make sense to you?
[20:54] <elfy> I just made some quick notes
[20:54] <elfy> I need to sit down with the settings manager - there might be some in there that should be mandatory and others not
[20:55] <elfy> if that's the case we should move mandatory out so we can specify once etc for those 
[20:55] <elfy> but I need to not look just now :)
[20:57] <knome> the settings manager is something that probably gets tested along with the other tests that you run under that
[20:57] <knome> eg. getting to the appearance settings requires settings manager working
[20:57] <knome> (unless you know the CLI command, but that's obviously cheating)
[20:58] <elfy> yea
[20:58] <elfy> other thing that needs to be checked is that all setting types are catered for somewhere
[20:59] <knome> i'm not following now
[20:59] <elfy> I'll make notes on the pad :)
[21:00] <knome> sure
[21:00] <knome> i played around a bit with it :P
[21:01] <knome> re: settings manager tests generally... i'm not sure if we need to test every single button
[21:02] <knome> but if people will test those... sure.
[21:03] <elfy> agreed
[21:03] <elfy> there are ~30 ... 
[21:04] <elfy> knome can you insert an image into pad? 
[21:04] <knome> nope
[21:04] <knome> use imagebin
[21:05] <knome> and link
[21:05] <elfy> yea
[21:06] <elfy> knome: do the notes I've made make more sense to you? 
[21:07] <knome> yup
[21:07] <elfy> cool
[21:07] <elfy> other thing I have thought of - we've created our product - with a bunch of testcases
[21:08] <elfy> can someone like ubuntustudio use a testcase in their product if we've used it?
[21:08] <knome> sure
[21:08] <elfy> ok 
[21:09] <elfy> if they couldn't then it's tough anyway :) as we wrote the things lol 
[21:09] <knome> though we should try to put the big, in-common tests in the common pool
[21:09] <elfy> I can laugh - was worried for a while
[21:09] <elfy> yea agreed 
[21:09] <knome> but with xfce we can pretty much just even tell them to run the xfce tests under xubuntu
[21:10] <elfy> yep
[21:10] <elfy> I'd guess that people with someone else doing legwork anyway 
[21:13] <elfy> knome: thanks for doing optional/mandatory listing - I wanted you to see the currents and changes 
[21:15] <knome> np :)
[23:46] <pleia2> Unit193: have you been actually installing xubuntu or clicking on "try" like skellat did?
[23:47] <Unit193> Try, it's live and being tested on real machines (also known as, computers that will not be messed up. :P )
[23:47] <pleia2> ah, I've been installing!
[23:48] <pleia2> suppose I could try no-install on my desktop and other computers