[00:58] :) im making a booteable SD card :D [01:13] has anyone test out the XMir iso of Xubuntu? [01:13] I've done 3 with the new spin. [01:13] Howdy. [01:14] (Not just me of course, just answering for myself.) [01:15] I know it's alpha, but I may run it as my primary linux os just to see what glitches, bugs, etc. I have using it day to day with XFCE apps [01:15] do you feel it's becoming mature enough to completely replace X? [01:15] Heh, must be working better than it did for me. Not right now I don't, no, but that's me. [01:16] by the way this is my primary alias, on Xubuntu side I come in as shawnb - it's been busy so I haven't done much but I saw the email for the XMir and am pretty excited about it [01:21] pleia2: Poke, still around? [01:21] si [01:22] That was quick. Mind if I crop everything above my nick to "we're collecting" in the pad? [01:22] go for it [01:23] Boom, ta. [01:59] finally got freenode.net working on my android [02:01] Hah, congrats. yaircc? [02:02] thanks [16:39] Unit193: do we want to collect the feedback again for mir folks? [16:39] I mean, we are collecting, but emailing it to them :) [17:05] * GridCube thinks we should [17:11] i admit i'm not very knowledgeable about these things, but... [17:11] if you'll be staying with xorg (which i personally hope), do you know if you will depend on xorg components not supported by canonical? [17:12] if so, perhaps it would be a good idea to liaison with other flavors in the same boat about how to manage the xorg situation [17:18] pleia2: I'd agree wiuth GridCube - but let's not be in such a hurry this time to do it - give people enough time to actually try it [17:20] gian: in order to take that desition we need lots and lots of real hardware testings [17:20] GridCube: yes, among other things, agree [17:21] gian: you should read http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2013/xubuntu-devel.2013-07-11-15.00.log.html [17:21] :D [17:22] yes, I was present at the meeting [17:22] oh, then you know how its going to be, canonical will not provide support for xorg, and soon engoun not even xmir if i didnt missunderstood [17:24] hm, not sure that's exactly the full picture, but then i'm not very well acquainted with the technical intricacies [17:24] it looks to me as a bit of a 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' situation [17:26] we are in a weird place [17:26] yes [17:27] indeed [17:28] gian: so there wouldn't need to be a lot of direct collaboration with other flavors, we all use the same exact packages (xorg in this case) so as long as *someone* is maintaining it and we're all testing + filing bugs it should just come together like it always has, even if Canonical isn't paying much attention to it [17:29] pleia2: agree, i was thinking about that someone [17:30] if there turns out to be no such person around, that means you basically have no choice [17:30] well, if no such person comes around then we just do a direct sync from Debian, where someone is maintaining it [17:31] but I'm not worried [17:31] enough flavors and derivative will continue to use xorg for now that it'll be handled [17:31] i hope so too [17:32] not that switching to debian would be very painful, but i really like what you have done with xubuntu [17:33] and at least up until now, the ubuntu base has been pretty solid [19:28] pleia2: Well, didn't get much/any helpful feedback, IMO... [19:28] Unit193: I disagree [19:29] maybe we didn't get a lot of quantitative data this time, the feedback we have now is important [19:29] are there any systems where it worked better? [19:29] maybe for skellat, since it was working for him all along [19:30] I was just saying last time didn't go very well, but you are free to disagree. :) [19:30] (We do have more info this time, yes.) [19:31] well they fixed our issues from last time [19:31] we need to keep communicating if we're serious about trying this thing :) [19:32] woo, mailing list archives are finally caught up to august! [19:32] knome: care to tweet? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2013-August/009205.html [19:33] sure [19:33] tweeted [19:38] I put it on the facebook and g+ [19:39] * pleia2 passes around the troll repellent [19:39] Heeey! [19:40] good to be prepared [19:41] ;) [20:20] pleia2: Even if XMir boots for me it is only doing so on an End Of Life netbook from System76. I can't get it to work on our production audio machine for The Burning Circle and other programs. [20:21] skellat: have you tried the latest image? [20:21] curious to see progress from everyone who tested previously if possible [20:21] Yeah, the best computer here doesn't crash on mir, but would be far better as it'd fall to xorg. Completely unusable... [20:22] pleia2: Yeah, got a cascade of apport failures in booting on the System76 netbook. I took a picture of what I got on-screen on the super-critical audio production computer here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/skellat/audiobox-profile?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=IMG_0039.JPG [20:23] good golly [20:23] The netbook is ultimately expendable in the grand scheme. The audio production computer isn't. [20:23] i just got the inspiration for the next xubuntu wallpaper! [20:23] lol [20:24] The parent wiki page has the full lshw output for the XMir developers to mull over [20:25] * knome can't find wiki.ubuntu.com/Parent [20:25] * knome hides [20:25] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/skellat/audiobox-profile [20:25] thanks, seeing your notes in the etherpad now [20:25] i know. i'm just telling some really bad jokes. [20:26] :-) [20:29] skellat: Is that an image with the background of the current session? If so, that's better than the stuff happening here! :P [20:29] Unit193: No, that's me taking a shot with a camera of what's shown on a 32 inch display [20:30] Sure, but if the image on the monitor is of the current session, then it's more or less right. [20:30] Unit193: It is only more or less right if one has consumer massive quantities of hallucinogenic drugs, though [20:31] s/consumer/consumed/ [20:32] My hands were very steady on that [20:32] but...does it at least feel fast and slightly smoother? ;) [20:32] I had to pull the plug on that machine as it was unresponsive with that trashed display image and would not even bail out [20:33] How well does it work to take a video of a monitor? :P [20:33] Hmm [20:33] I can run such again and post it to YouTube [20:33] Unit193, badly. i've done that to indicate a failure in the monitors output [20:35] Bleh... So we're booting a live system, the Lord of the Rings ring is the background on the real system. When in Mir, I see the One Ring, Firefox (which wasn't open before shuting down.), and something else pixelated all over the screen, changing with every twitch of the mouse. [20:35] :D [20:35] Not sure I can explain it any better. [20:35] ugh... [20:36] brb [20:43] Ran another test, attempting to upload it to YouTube, will post link once it is up [20:51] knome: http://pad.ubuntu.com/4XGwzaC0JI [20:53] starter for 10 ... [20:53] optional/mandatory looks good [20:53] power manager and settings manager could be run once [20:53] i think xfdesktop and appearance are different enough - if not, we should rather look at merging them [20:53] same with xfwm4 settings/wm [20:54] ok [20:54] does that make sense to you? [20:54] I just made some quick notes [20:54] I need to sit down with the settings manager - there might be some in there that should be mandatory and others not [20:55] if that's the case we should move mandatory out so we can specify once etc for those [20:55] but I need to not look just now :) [20:57] the settings manager is something that probably gets tested along with the other tests that you run under that [20:57] eg. getting to the appearance settings requires settings manager working [20:57] (unless you know the CLI command, but that's obviously cheating) [20:58] yea [20:58] other thing that needs to be checked is that all setting types are catered for somewhere [20:59] i'm not following now [20:59] I'll make notes on the pad :) [21:00] sure [21:00] i played around a bit with it :P [21:01] re: settings manager tests generally... i'm not sure if we need to test every single button [21:02] but if people will test those... sure. [21:03] agreed [21:03] there are ~30 ... [21:04] knome can you insert an image into pad? [21:04] nope [21:04] use imagebin [21:05] and link [21:05] yea [21:06] knome: do the notes I've made make more sense to you? [21:07] yup [21:07] cool [21:07] other thing I have thought of - we've created our product - with a bunch of testcases [21:08] can someone like ubuntustudio use a testcase in their product if we've used it? [21:08] sure [21:08] ok [21:09] if they couldn't then it's tough anyway :) as we wrote the things lol [21:09] though we should try to put the big, in-common tests in the common pool [21:09] I can laugh - was worried for a while [21:09] yea agreed [21:09] but with xfce we can pretty much just even tell them to run the xfce tests under xubuntu [21:10] yep [21:10] I'd guess that people with someone else doing legwork anyway [21:13] knome: thanks for doing optional/mandatory listing - I wanted you to see the currents and changes [21:15] np :) [23:46] Unit193: have you been actually installing xubuntu or clicking on "try" like skellat did? [23:47] Try, it's live and being tested on real machines (also known as, computers that will not be messed up. :P ) [23:47] ah, I've been installing! [23:48] suppose I could try no-install on my desktop and other computers