[01:55] <vivid> why does http://packages.ubuntu.com/ return no packages for saucy?
[01:55] <vivid> also, do-release-upgrade -d doesn't seem to work at all.
[01:56] <IdleOne> p.u.c shows released versions of packages
[01:57] <IdleOne> saucy is not released yet.
[01:57] <vivid> i could swear it returned results for raring while it was +1
[02:02] <IdleOne> nope
[11:23] <darm0k> at tanagra
[11:27] <penguin42> with an ubuntu+1 install image...
[11:27] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[13:32] <ShippD> hello everyone a question maybe the wrong place to ask but will try got new laptop disabled secure boot in windows 8 install 13.10 rebooted and ubuntu does not show no boot list at all it goes straight to windows and help would be great thanks
[13:35] <BluesKaj> !uefi
[13:35] <BluesKaj> ShippD,^
[18:03] <bjorkintosh> how do i play .mov files?
[18:03] <bjorkintosh> are there packages i need to add?
[18:04] <bjorkintosh> vlc, mplayer, and mplayer2 are all unable to handle it. it plays just fine in chrome, however.
[18:13] <Ampelbein> bjorkintosh: Do you get any error message with vlc?
[18:14] <BluesKaj> bjorkintosh, are those from a videocam ?
[18:14] <BluesKaj>  if so vlc should play them
[18:18] <bjorkintosh> they're from an iphone.
[18:19] <bjorkintosh> no response from vlc at all. no sound, no picture, no error.
[18:19] <bjorkintosh> it plays other .mov files just fine.
[18:21] <BluesKaj> mov files are similar to mp4 files and they play in vlc
[18:27] <BluesKaj> bjorkintosh, if not try to use avconv which is the replacement for ffmpeg to transcode the file to mpeg4 if it's Hi Def
[18:28] <bjorkintosh> hmm. i will try that. thanks BluesKaj
[18:29] <bjorkintosh> avconv? where is that?
[18:29] <bjorkintosh> apt-get install avconv yielded nothing.
[18:30] <BluesKaj> bjorkintosh, do you have ubuntu-restricted-extras installed
[18:30] <BluesKaj> ?
[18:30] <bjorkintosh> i do.
[18:31] <BluesKaj> thejm try ffmpeg
[18:34] <BluesKaj> seems avconv has been dropped from the 13.10 repos
[18:35] <BluesKaj> i don't see it anymore
[19:06] <bjorkintosh> BluesKaj, avconv is still there. it is now part of libav-tools
[21:33] <anoni> hello, using 13.10, trying to get html5 h.264 work on firefox
[21:34] <anoni> according to google, ff 23 should have h.264 support, but i cannot find media.gstreamer.enabled at about:config
[21:34] <anoni> according to http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTM5NzU enabling that flag, h.264 should work
[21:34] <anoni> any suggestions?
[21:36] <anoni> since the flash plugin ubuntu ships as default is vulnerable, i cannot use flash to watch youtube, and html5 wont work either since many (most?) of the youtube html5 vids are h.264
[21:38] <wilee-nilee> anoni, Your running linux your vulnerability is not very high with correct use.
[21:38] <anoni> but still
[21:38] <wilee-nilee> your not in root that is the key
[21:38] <anoni> vulnerability is vulnerability
[21:39] <wilee-nilee> there is context, a generalized view will not give you a happy experience. ;)
[21:40] <anoni> ok, i got to website that use this vulnerability and can run some code, let's say, to capture key strokes
[21:40] <anoni> this needs root?
[21:41] <wilee-nilee> NO, you are not in root, where you are most vulnerable, and the scareware via flash is not pointed at linux in general, there are dangers, but mostly root kits.
[21:42] <anoni> i know i am not in root ;)
[21:42] <anoni> but example i just gave you does not need root
[21:42] <holstein> anoni: the flash in ubuntu is "vulnerable"?
[21:42] <anoni> holstein: yes
[21:42] <anoni> according to firefox plugin check it is vulnerable version
[21:42] <holstein> anoni: if you want current flash, you can get that in the chrome browser.. there is not more current version available
[21:42] <holstein> anoni: its not
[21:42] <holstein> anoni: its not running as root
[21:42] <anoni> :)
[21:43] <anoni> but it does not need to run as root
[21:43] <anoni> why would it
[21:43] <anoni> need to
[21:43] <holstein> anoni: flash *is* typically an issue.. but its no more vulnerable in linux.. it *is* patched
[21:43] <wilee-nilee> anoni, not in root is an argument for not in danger
[21:43] <holstein> anoni: if it were runinng as root, then we could talk about how vulnerable it could be... otherwise, its a risk, but no more than usual
[21:44] <anoni> so you are saying running code that can log what i write or maybe listen to my mic is just a risk and i should not care about that? :)
[21:44] <holstein> the flash check is likely just looking for the version, and kicking out the one error message is has
[21:45] <anoni> and none of that needs root
[21:45] <holstein> anoni: im saying, if you are saying "i dont want to run the ubuntu flash package" then dont
[21:45] <holstein> anoni: if you are saying its due to security, im saying, that is not an issue anymore and *any* flash
[21:45] <anoni> yes, i dont want to run it, i want to get h.264 support for ubuntu's firefox :D
[21:45] <anoni> thats why i came here
[21:45] <holstein> and, if you want the latest flash, use chrome
[21:46] <anoni> looks like ubuntu didn't compile firefox with gstreamer flag or something
[21:46] <holstein> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTM5NzU states "the latest nightly builds" for FF
[21:46] <anoni> yes but it shoudl be supported on ff 23
[21:46] <anoni> which i have on 13.10 as default
[21:47] <holstein> anoni: how are you testing?
[21:48] <anoni> http://html5test.com/
[21:48] <anoni> anyway now i found site that says it comes to ff 24
[21:48] <anoni> http://www.ghacks.net/2013/06/23/firefox-24-for-linux-gets-native-mp3-aac-and-h-264-support/
[21:48] <anoni> so meh
[21:48] <anoni> since i dont want to use chrome
[21:49] <anoni> or (vulneable)flash
[21:49] <anoni> i guess i wont be watching youtube :P
[21:49] <holstein> you dont have to use chrome to test with it
[21:49] <anoni> since the minitube app is pure shit
[21:49] <holstein> anoni: its not
[21:49] <holstein> anoni: you are not running as root
[21:49] <anoni> and i dont need to run is as a root :)
[21:49] <anoni> to get fucked in the ass
[21:49] <anoni> so to say
[21:50] <holstein> !language
[21:51] <Daekdroom> anoni, have you tried creating the flag?
[21:52] <anoni> no
[21:52] <anoni> how do i do that
[21:53] <anoni> it's funny that i have tested and used some time every ubuntu release past 5 yers or so
[21:54] <anoni> and everytime s*it like this prevents me for using it 24/7 :)
[21:54] <holstein> anoni: you are using the non-released one
[21:54] <anoni> every time bunch of small things that wont work how i want them to work
[21:54] <holstein> anoni: you can use flash.. or a browser that currently supports htlm5.. or a PPA to add the nightly of ff.. or build your own
[21:54] <anoni> yes but i use released versions too ofc
[21:54] <holstein> anoni: you are not using a stable relase
[21:54] <Daekdroom> Left click > New preference (I think that's how it's called in the english translation, which I'm not using) > boolean
[21:54] <holstein> release*
[21:58] <anoni> hmmh, creating new flag didn't help :(
[21:58] <holstein> anoni: are you using the most recent unstable build of ff? have you tested with chrome?
[21:59] <holstein> have you tried firefox support?
[21:59] <anoni> i am using version that comes with ubuntu 13.10 and i do not want to use chrome
[22:00] <Daekdroom> !find firefox/saucy
[22:00] <anoni> since google is evil and all that
[22:00] <holstein> anoni: sure, and i hear that, friend.. but you can test with it
[22:00] <Daekdroom> !find firefox / saucy
[22:00] <Daekdroom> Damn it
[22:00] <Daekdroom> !find firefox saucy
[22:00] <anoni> i know i can get it work with chrome since it supports h.264
[22:00] <anoni> but i'd like to get this working on ff
[22:01] <holstein> anoni: so, you have tested with chrome? how about the other suggestions? firefox support? the PPA for the testing version?
[22:01] <anoni> i have not tested it on chrome
[22:01] <anoni> i dont see the point since i wont be using it anyway
[22:01] <trism> anoni: it would probably have to build against gstreamer, which it doesn't seem to yet
[22:01] <anoni> mmh ok
[22:02] <holstein> anoni: and, the lastest firefox ppa? or firefox support?
[22:02] <anoni> any guesses will this change before release of 13.10?
[22:02] <anoni> if i remember right ff keeps updating to new major versions on ubuntu
[22:04] <anoni> holstein: i don't know about the ppa..i'd like to use vanilla ubuntu ;)
[22:04] <anoni> but maybe i am forced to use ppa
[22:04] <holstein> anoni: ?
[22:04] <holstein> anoni: its a testing suggestion
[22:04] <holstein> anoni: and firefox support?
[22:04] <anoni> i could try
[22:04] <anoni> ff support
[22:05] <holstein> anoni: you could try *any* suggestion a volunteer gives
[22:05] <anoni> i just thought this is more like ubuntu situation
[22:05] <holstein> anoni: you dont have to
[22:05] <anoni> yeah but some of your suggestions are not good for me
[22:05] <anoni> i mean what if it does work with chrome or some ppa firefox
[22:05] <anoni> if i wont be using them anyway
[22:05] <holstein> if  wanted the testing version of ff. the ppa could be an easy way to have that
[22:06] <holstein> not sure what the deal is .. but good luck to you!
[22:06] <anoni> but do i want it?
[22:06] <trism> anoni: bug 1051559 seems related
[22:07] <anoni> trism: thanks
[22:07] <anoni> holstein: my whole point when testing ubuntu is to use it "as is" i mean not to compile my own software or not to use some ppa repos or anything like that :)
[22:07] <anoni> maybe stupid but..
[22:08] <holstein> anoni: "as is" ubuntu doesnt ship with what you want
[22:08] <holstein> anoni: so, you can stop testing it, then
[22:08] <anoni> just rely on what ubuntu officially offers me
[22:08] <anoni> yeah, looks like so
[22:08] <anoni> but i keep testing it every new release ;)
[22:08] <anoni> maybe one day..
[22:08] <holstein> anoni: i have it
[22:08] <holstein> anoni: i add it, as i want...
[22:09] <holstein> anoni: its not that linux/ubuntu isnt "up to the task".. these are closed web scenarios that are not allowed to be supported easily
[22:10] <anoni> at least i am not as bad case like some people on some debian channel..only using free deabian software :P
[22:10] <anoni> debian
[22:11] <anoni> holstein: whatever the reason maybe, the fact is i cannot do all the things i'd like to
[22:11] <anoni> and i am not here to argue
[22:11] <anoni> just testing stuff and trying to get stuff to work
[22:11] <holstein> anoni: im not either.. im just stating facts
[22:11] <anoni> with my limited skills i have
[22:15] <holstein> FYI (not an argument nor endorsement, just fact) chrome sandboxes flash
[22:16] <anoni> thats good
[22:17] <holstein> "good" is a mater of opinion.. flash is sandboxed in an attempt to address the concerns you stated about flash
[22:18] <anoni> yeah, didn't know chrome sandboxes the flash
[22:19] <anoni> on windows i use software called sandboxie to sandbox the whole browser
[22:19] <anoni> btw is there anything similar for linux?
[22:21] <anoni> interestin, ff 23 plays http://www.bucksch.org/xfer/walter-roehrl-short.mp4
[22:21] <anoni> so h.264 actually works..on some level at least
[22:22] <anoni> this url was suggested on that bug report site suggested by ubottu
[22:22] <holstein> anoni: chrome in linux sandboxes.. some argue that the users are isolated from each other
[22:22] <penguin42> anoni: I use a few things for that; first chrome has a lot of sandboxing internally, secondly I tend to run firefox in safe-mode and with a separate profile for any banking stuff, or if I'm being really paranoid I just run it in a VM
[22:22] <holstein> anoni: as stated before.. since you are not root , the user you are on is "sandboxed" kind of
[22:23] <penguin42> holstein: Kind of
[22:23] <holstein> a VM is a type of sandbox, kind of too
[22:23] <Daekdroom> anoni, that's the gstreamer plug-in, isn't it? It doesn't work for HTML5 <video>, however.
[22:23] <anoni> :(
[22:23] <anoni> guess so