[01:55] why does http://packages.ubuntu.com/ return no packages for saucy? [01:55] also, do-release-upgrade -d doesn't seem to work at all. [01:56] p.u.c shows released versions of packages [01:57] saucy is not released yet. [01:57] i could swear it returned results for raring while it was +1 [02:02] nope [11:23] at tanagra [11:27] with an ubuntu+1 install image... [11:27] Howdy all [13:32] hello everyone a question maybe the wrong place to ask but will try got new laptop disabled secure boot in windows 8 install 13.10 rebooted and ubuntu does not show no boot list at all it goes straight to windows and help would be great thanks [13:35] !uefi [13:35] UEFI is a specification that defines a software interface between an operating system and platform firmware, it is meant as a replacement for the BIOS. For information on how to set up and install Ubuntu and its derivatives on UEFI machines please read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI [13:35] ShippD,^ [18:03] how do i play .mov files? [18:03] are there packages i need to add? [18:04] vlc, mplayer, and mplayer2 are all unable to handle it. it plays just fine in chrome, however. [18:13] bjorkintosh: Do you get any error message with vlc? [18:14] bjorkintosh, are those from a videocam ? [18:14] if so vlc should play them [18:18] they're from an iphone. [18:19] no response from vlc at all. no sound, no picture, no error. [18:19] it plays other .mov files just fine. [18:21] mov files are similar to mp4 files and they play in vlc [18:27] bjorkintosh, if not try to use avconv which is the replacement for ffmpeg to transcode the file to mpeg4 if it's Hi Def [18:28] hmm. i will try that. thanks BluesKaj [18:29] avconv? where is that? [18:29] apt-get install avconv yielded nothing. [18:30] bjorkintosh, do you have ubuntu-restricted-extras installed [18:30] ? [18:30] i do. [18:31] thejm try ffmpeg [18:34] seems avconv has been dropped from the 13.10 repos [18:35] i don't see it anymore === CEnnis91_ is now known as CEnnis91 === brainwash_ is now known as brainwash [19:06] BluesKaj, avconv is still there. it is now part of libav-tools [21:33] hello, using 13.10, trying to get html5 h.264 work on firefox [21:34] according to google, ff 23 should have h.264 support, but i cannot find media.gstreamer.enabled at about:config [21:34] according to http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTM5NzU enabling that flag, h.264 should work [21:34] any suggestions? [21:36] since the flash plugin ubuntu ships as default is vulnerable, i cannot use flash to watch youtube, and html5 wont work either since many (most?) of the youtube html5 vids are h.264 [21:38] anoni, Your running linux your vulnerability is not very high with correct use. [21:38] but still [21:38] your not in root that is the key [21:38] vulnerability is vulnerability [21:39] there is context, a generalized view will not give you a happy experience. ;) [21:40] ok, i got to website that use this vulnerability and can run some code, let's say, to capture key strokes [21:40] this needs root? [21:41] NO, you are not in root, where you are most vulnerable, and the scareware via flash is not pointed at linux in general, there are dangers, but mostly root kits. [21:42] i know i am not in root ;) [21:42] but example i just gave you does not need root [21:42] anoni: the flash in ubuntu is "vulnerable"? [21:42] holstein: yes [21:42] according to firefox plugin check it is vulnerable version [21:42] anoni: if you want current flash, you can get that in the chrome browser.. there is not more current version available [21:42] anoni: its not [21:42] anoni: its not running as root [21:42] :) [21:43] but it does not need to run as root [21:43] why would it [21:43] need to [21:43] anoni: flash *is* typically an issue.. but its no more vulnerable in linux.. it *is* patched [21:43] anoni, not in root is an argument for not in danger [21:43] anoni: if it were runinng as root, then we could talk about how vulnerable it could be... otherwise, its a risk, but no more than usual [21:44] so you are saying running code that can log what i write or maybe listen to my mic is just a risk and i should not care about that? :) [21:44] the flash check is likely just looking for the version, and kicking out the one error message is has [21:45] and none of that needs root [21:45] anoni: im saying, if you are saying "i dont want to run the ubuntu flash package" then dont [21:45] anoni: if you are saying its due to security, im saying, that is not an issue anymore and *any* flash [21:45] yes, i dont want to run it, i want to get h.264 support for ubuntu's firefox :D [21:45] thats why i came here [21:45] and, if you want the latest flash, use chrome [21:46] looks like ubuntu didn't compile firefox with gstreamer flag or something [21:46] http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTM5NzU states "the latest nightly builds" for FF [21:46] yes but it shoudl be supported on ff 23 [21:46] which i have on 13.10 as default [21:47] anoni: how are you testing? === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna [21:48] http://html5test.com/ [21:48] anyway now i found site that says it comes to ff 24 [21:48] http://www.ghacks.net/2013/06/23/firefox-24-for-linux-gets-native-mp3-aac-and-h-264-support/ [21:48] so meh [21:48] since i dont want to use chrome [21:49] or (vulneable)flash [21:49] i guess i wont be watching youtube :P [21:49] you dont have to use chrome to test with it [21:49] since the minitube app is pure shit [21:49] anoni: its not [21:49] anoni: you are not running as root [21:49] and i dont need to run is as a root :) [21:49] to get fucked in the ass [21:49] so to say [21:50] !language [21:50] Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family-friendly, polite, and professional. [21:51] anoni, have you tried creating the flag? [21:52] no [21:52] how do i do that [21:53] it's funny that i have tested and used some time every ubuntu release past 5 yers or so [21:54] and everytime s*it like this prevents me for using it 24/7 :) [21:54] anoni: you are using the non-released one [21:54] every time bunch of small things that wont work how i want them to work [21:54] anoni: you can use flash.. or a browser that currently supports htlm5.. or a PPA to add the nightly of ff.. or build your own [21:54] yes but i use released versions too ofc [21:54] anoni: you are not using a stable relase [21:54] Left click > New preference (I think that's how it's called in the english translation, which I'm not using) > boolean [21:54] release* [21:58] hmmh, creating new flag didn't help :( [21:58] anoni: are you using the most recent unstable build of ff? have you tested with chrome? [21:59] have you tried firefox support? [21:59] i am using version that comes with ubuntu 13.10 and i do not want to use chrome [22:00] !find firefox/saucy [22:00] since google is evil and all that [22:00] Package/file firefox/saucy does not exist in raring [22:00] anoni: sure, and i hear that, friend.. but you can test with it [22:00] !find firefox / saucy [22:00] / is not a valid distribution: extras, kubuntu-backports, kubuntu-experimental, kubuntu-updates, lucid, lucid-backports, lucid-proposed, medibuntu, partner, precise, precise-backports, precise-proposed, quantal, quantal-backports, quantal-proposed, raring, raring-backports, raring-proposed, saucy, saucy-backports, saucy-proposed, stable, testing, unstable [22:00] Damn it [22:00] !find firefox saucy [22:00] Found: firefox, firefox-dbg, firefox-dev, firefox-globalmenu, firefox-locale-af, firefox-locale-ar, firefox-locale-as, firefox-locale-ast, firefox-locale-be, firefox-locale-bg (and 84 others) http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=firefox&searchon=names&suite=saucy§ion=all [22:00] i know i can get it work with chrome since it supports h.264 [22:00] but i'd like to get this working on ff [22:01] anoni: so, you have tested with chrome? how about the other suggestions? firefox support? the PPA for the testing version? [22:01] i have not tested it on chrome [22:01] i dont see the point since i wont be using it anyway [22:01] anoni: it would probably have to build against gstreamer, which it doesn't seem to yet [22:01] mmh ok [22:02] anoni: and, the lastest firefox ppa? or firefox support? [22:02] any guesses will this change before release of 13.10? [22:02] if i remember right ff keeps updating to new major versions on ubuntu [22:04] holstein: i don't know about the ppa..i'd like to use vanilla ubuntu ;) [22:04] but maybe i am forced to use ppa [22:04] anoni: ? [22:04] anoni: its a testing suggestion [22:04] anoni: and firefox support? [22:04] i could try [22:04] ff support [22:05] anoni: you could try *any* suggestion a volunteer gives [22:05] i just thought this is more like ubuntu situation [22:05] anoni: you dont have to [22:05] yeah but some of your suggestions are not good for me [22:05] i mean what if it does work with chrome or some ppa firefox [22:05] if i wont be using them anyway [22:05] if wanted the testing version of ff. the ppa could be an easy way to have that [22:06] not sure what the deal is .. but good luck to you! [22:06] but do i want it? [22:06] anoni: bug 1051559 seems related [22:06] bug 1051559 in firefox (Ubuntu) "Build Firefox with GStreamer support" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1051559 [22:07] trism: thanks [22:07] holstein: my whole point when testing ubuntu is to use it "as is" i mean not to compile my own software or not to use some ppa repos or anything like that :) [22:07] maybe stupid but.. [22:08] anoni: "as is" ubuntu doesnt ship with what you want [22:08] anoni: so, you can stop testing it, then [22:08] just rely on what ubuntu officially offers me [22:08] yeah, looks like so [22:08] but i keep testing it every new release ;) [22:08] maybe one day.. [22:08] anoni: i have it [22:08] anoni: i add it, as i want... [22:09] anoni: its not that linux/ubuntu isnt "up to the task".. these are closed web scenarios that are not allowed to be supported easily [22:10] at least i am not as bad case like some people on some debian channel..only using free deabian software :P [22:10] debian [22:11] holstein: whatever the reason maybe, the fact is i cannot do all the things i'd like to [22:11] and i am not here to argue [22:11] just testing stuff and trying to get stuff to work [22:11] anoni: im not either.. im just stating facts [22:11] with my limited skills i have [22:15] FYI (not an argument nor endorsement, just fact) chrome sandboxes flash [22:16] thats good [22:17] "good" is a mater of opinion.. flash is sandboxed in an attempt to address the concerns you stated about flash [22:18] yeah, didn't know chrome sandboxes the flash [22:19] on windows i use software called sandboxie to sandbox the whole browser [22:19] btw is there anything similar for linux? [22:21] interestin, ff 23 plays http://www.bucksch.org/xfer/walter-roehrl-short.mp4 [22:21] so h.264 actually works..on some level at least [22:22] this url was suggested on that bug report site suggested by ubottu [22:22] anoni: chrome in linux sandboxes.. some argue that the users are isolated from each other [22:22] anoni: I use a few things for that; first chrome has a lot of sandboxing internally, secondly I tend to run firefox in safe-mode and with a separate profile for any banking stuff, or if I'm being really paranoid I just run it in a VM [22:22] anoni: as stated before.. since you are not root , the user you are on is "sandboxed" kind of [22:23] holstein: Kind of [22:23] a VM is a type of sandbox, kind of too [22:23] anoni, that's the gstreamer plug-in, isn't it? It doesn't work for HTML5