[03:46] <MrGarlic> if you're a brown UK border agent you're the embodiment of scum, and we're excommunicating you
[05:54] <neuro> tootles!
[08:10] <MartijnVdS> morning everyone!
[08:11] <shauno> aloha
[08:26] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:16] <StevenR> yay. Grub errors regarding embedding
[15:31] <MartijnVdS> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFtmkILu6xg&list=PL32F8B5F41870D160
[15:54] <penguin42> hmph my dsl seems to have dropped down to 7.9Mbps from about 10-11Mbps
[15:54] <MartijnVdS> aww
[15:56] <mgdm> I have no idea how fast my DSL is these days
[15:56] <mgdm> it's > 10Mbps so I'm happy :_0
[15:56] <mgdm> :-) even
[15:56] <mgdm> I'm not demanding
[15:57] <penguin42> mgdm: Well exactly, 10-11Mbps is it's norm with about 1Mbps up - and at that I'm pretty happy; dropping down to under 8 is nasty!
[17:23] <Azelphur> https://en.wikipedia.org/?diff=566904988
[17:23]  * Azelphur sighs
[17:24] <Azelphur> 156.33.241.5 US Senate, Washington DC.
[17:26] <penguin42> haha
[17:27] <Azelphur> they really are trying ;)
[17:27] <MartijnVdS> too bad cases like this are quite high-profile
[17:27] <MartijnVdS> and Wikipedia editors are hawks
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> argh
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> Unbelieving bug triagers
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> I've added *all* necessary info, triager goes "Can you try again?"
[19:05] <MartijnVdS> I could.. but nothing has changed, so it'll still break. Because it's been breaking for a week now.
[19:06] <penguin42> bug ?
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> 1207612
[19:10] <penguin42> bug 1207612
[19:10]  * penguin42 tosses lubotu3 a cookie
[19:11] <MartijnVdS> !botsnack
[19:12] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Well he didn't ask you to try it again did he in those comments - he asked whether the camera worked
[19:12] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: it's still a "We don't believe you see the bug" comment.
[19:12] <MartijnVdS> or it reads like one anyway
[19:14] <ali1234> there's no point ever reporting kernel bugs on launchpad
[19:14] <ali1234> they will not be fixed
[19:15] <ali1234> you will be asked to retest every 6 months, but that is it
[19:15] <penguin42> yeh it's pretty rare, although it is useful if you find a heck of a lot people are hitting the same thing
[19:15] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: this one has a patch that is/will be upstream for the next release
[19:15] <MartijnVdS> (3.11)
[19:16] <ali1234> it won't be backported until after the next release, and then only if you can cionvince someone to do a SRU, and that will only happen if the bug can cause data loss
[19:16] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: I'm on saucy
[19:16] <ali1234> doesn't matter
[19:16] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: I'm assuming the target kernel is 3.11
[19:16] <MartijnVdS> which is exactly right
[19:16] <ali1234> they don't start fixing bugs until after release
[19:17] <ali1234> so then just wait for 3.11 to release and saucy to switch to it, problem solved?
[19:17] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: yes, but have them be aware of it, because newer hardware like this is getting more common
[19:17] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: at the very least, it'll give people a bug to subscribe to
[19:17] <ali1234> where are we in the release cycle anyway?
[19:17] <MartijnVdS> august-ish
[19:18] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: So the normal thing next is to ask you to test latest upstream in the http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/  but I think you've find the right bug
[19:18] <MartijnVdS> there was a page that uses previous kernel releases to guess the next release date
[19:18]  * MartijnVdS can't find it anymore
[19:20] <ali1234> it's not in upstream yet though
[19:20] <ali1234> i suppose it might be in rc3
[19:20]  * MartijnVdS looks at git
[19:21] <MartijnVdS> https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=07f3cb7c28bf3f4dd80bfb136cf45810c46ac474
[19:22] <daftykins> "Software is now supposed to not assume the TD is not completed until it gets that last successful status."
[19:22] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: so try latest upstream from that ppa
[19:22] <ali1234> that's in rc3 then
[19:22] <daftykins> negative overload
[19:22] <daftykins> it's not the not not...
[19:22] <ali1234> *now
[19:23] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: *install*
[19:23] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: There are a series of tags to add to the bug as well to indicate whether it succeeds or fails with a given kernel
[19:24] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: where do I find a description of those tags?
[19:26] <penguin42> hmm can't find them
[19:29] <MartijnVdS> \o/ that fixed it. Added comment.
[19:30]  * penguin42 needs to do that to see if his USB thumb drive comes back 3.0.10-6 broke it
[19:30] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: How much is it filling the logs - is it enough to make the machine unusable or just a PITA ?
[19:31] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: around 20 times/second
[19:31] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: so if you're webcamming all day, your / will fill up nicely
[19:31] <daftykins> funsies
[19:32] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: the commit note states it needs to be backported all the way to 3.0 (because new hardware vs old software expectation)
[19:32] <penguin42> nod
[22:23]  * penguin42 hmms and ha's about switching gas supplier
[22:24] <daftykins> oooh risky
[22:24] <daftykins> i invited one of those door to door people in once in Portsmouth, thing is despite their promises they try to hide the fact you'd only be saving maybe a fiver
[22:32] <penguin42> daftykins: Well uswitch/money supermarket seems to say it'll save me £80/year, athough there is a £30 early leave fee, but the current supplier is annoying
[22:33] <daftykins> :(
[22:34] <daftykins> there's great choice down here
[22:34] <daftykins> you have your Guernsey Water, Guernsey Gas and Guernsey Electricity
[22:34] <daftykins> :D
[22:38] <penguin42> hmm - who do you use?
[22:39] <daftykins> all of them :D
[22:41] <penguin42> right, swtiched to 'flow energy'
[22:45] <daftykins> let's hope it flows well
[22:46] <penguin42> nod, I suspect the hard part will be the transfer from the existing supplier
[23:29] <penguin42> hmm odd, the daily kernel booted really really fast - but complained that the radeon driver couldn't load firmware