[03:46] if you're a brown UK border agent you're the embodiment of scum, and we're excommunicating you [05:54] tootles! [08:10] morning everyone! [08:11] aloha [08:26] good morning everyone. [09:16] yay. Grub errors regarding embedding === Pendulum_ is now known as Pendulum [15:31] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFtmkILu6xg&list=PL32F8B5F41870D160 [15:54] hmph my dsl seems to have dropped down to 7.9Mbps from about 10-11Mbps [15:54] aww [15:56] I have no idea how fast my DSL is these days [15:56] it's > 10Mbps so I'm happy :_0 [15:56] :-) even [15:56] I'm not demanding [15:57] mgdm: Well exactly, 10-11Mbps is it's norm with about 1Mbps up - and at that I'm pretty happy; dropping down to under 8 is nasty! [17:23] https://en.wikipedia.org/?diff=566904988 [17:23] * Azelphur sighs [17:24] 156.33.241.5 US Senate, Washington DC. [17:26] haha [17:27] they really are trying ;) [17:27] too bad cases like this are quite high-profile [17:27] and Wikipedia editors are hawks [19:04] argh [19:04] Unbelieving bug triagers [19:04] I've added *all* necessary info, triager goes "Can you try again?" [19:05] I could.. but nothing has changed, so it'll still break. Because it's been breaking for a week now. [19:06] bug ? [19:10] 1207612 [19:10] bug 1207612 [19:10] bug 1207612 in linux (Ubuntu) "046d:0825 Using webcam fills log with xhci_hcd errors" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1207612 [19:10] * penguin42 tosses lubotu3 a cookie [19:11] !botsnack [19:11] Yum! Err, I mean, APT! [19:12] MartijnVdS: Well he didn't ask you to try it again did he in those comments - he asked whether the camera worked [19:12] penguin42: it's still a "We don't believe you see the bug" comment. [19:12] or it reads like one anyway [19:14] there's no point ever reporting kernel bugs on launchpad [19:14] they will not be fixed [19:15] you will be asked to retest every 6 months, but that is it [19:15] yeh it's pretty rare, although it is useful if you find a heck of a lot people are hitting the same thing [19:15] ali1234: this one has a patch that is/will be upstream for the next release [19:15] (3.11) [19:16] it won't be backported until after the next release, and then only if you can cionvince someone to do a SRU, and that will only happen if the bug can cause data loss [19:16] ali1234: I'm on saucy [19:16] doesn't matter [19:16] ali1234: I'm assuming the target kernel is 3.11 [19:16] which is exactly right [19:16] they don't start fixing bugs until after release [19:17] so then just wait for 3.11 to release and saucy to switch to it, problem solved? [19:17] ali1234: yes, but have them be aware of it, because newer hardware like this is getting more common [19:17] ali1234: at the very least, it'll give people a bug to subscribe to [19:17] where are we in the release cycle anyway? [19:17] august-ish [19:18] MartijnVdS: So the normal thing next is to ask you to test latest upstream in the http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ but I think you've find the right bug [19:18] there was a page that uses previous kernel releases to guess the next release date [19:18] * MartijnVdS can't find it anymore [19:20] it's not in upstream yet though [19:20] i suppose it might be in rc3 [19:20] * MartijnVdS looks at git [19:21] https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=07f3cb7c28bf3f4dd80bfb136cf45810c46ac474 [19:22] "Software is now supposed to not assume the TD is not completed until it gets that last successful status." [19:22] MartijnVdS: so try latest upstream from that ppa [19:22] that's in rc3 then [19:22] negative overload [19:22] it's not the not not... [19:22] *now [19:23] penguin42: *install* [19:23] MartijnVdS: There are a series of tags to add to the bug as well to indicate whether it succeeds or fails with a given kernel [19:24] penguin42: where do I find a description of those tags? [19:26] hmm can't find them [19:29] \o/ that fixed it. Added comment. [19:30] * penguin42 needs to do that to see if his USB thumb drive comes back 3.0.10-6 broke it [19:30] MartijnVdS: How much is it filling the logs - is it enough to make the machine unusable or just a PITA ? [19:31] penguin42: around 20 times/second [19:31] penguin42: so if you're webcamming all day, your / will fill up nicely [19:31] funsies [19:32] penguin42: the commit note states it needs to be backported all the way to 3.0 (because new hardware vs old software expectation) [19:32] nod [22:23] * penguin42 hmms and ha's about switching gas supplier [22:24] oooh risky [22:24] i invited one of those door to door people in once in Portsmouth, thing is despite their promises they try to hide the fact you'd only be saving maybe a fiver [22:32] daftykins: Well uswitch/money supermarket seems to say it'll save me £80/year, athough there is a £30 early leave fee, but the current supplier is annoying [22:33] :( [22:34] there's great choice down here [22:34] you have your Guernsey Water, Guernsey Gas and Guernsey Electricity [22:34] :D [22:38] hmm - who do you use? [22:39] all of them :D [22:41] right, swtiched to 'flow energy' [22:45] let's hope it flows well [22:46] nod, I suspect the hard part will be the transfer from the existing supplier [23:29] hmm odd, the daily kernel booted really really fast - but complained that the radeon driver couldn't load firmware