[00:35] <Unit193> ToZ: Howdy, thanks for taking the time to report your test results.
[00:36] <ToZ> No worries Unit193, had some free time and access to a couple of laptops
[00:53] <xubuntu_> Unit193, :D im in mir
[00:53] <xubuntu_> xmir for the matter
[00:53] <Unit193> xubuntu_: Hello Grid!
[00:53] <xubuntu_> :D
[00:53] <xubuntu_> wait
[00:53] <xubuntu_> it didnt took my name
[00:53] <Unit193> Nope, just "Xubuntu"
[00:55] <GridCube_> wen i write it doesnt show the text soon enough and when i delete it stays showing whats been deleted
[00:55] <pleia2> heh, I wouldn't use passwords when testing this
[00:55] <GridCube_> want me to do some kind of test
[00:55] <Unit193> Yeah, we both had the lag issue.
[00:55] <GridCube_> i dont see anything out of the ordinary
[00:55] <pleia2> when you shut down you'll probably see all your text you typed in your session on your terminal screen, it's unsettling
[00:57] <GridCube_> ok im gonna install the restricted extras and try to see a youtube videwo
[01:00] <GridCube> my netbook does have an intel video card tho
[01:09] <GridCube_> :) flash works fullscreen works,
[01:09] <lderan> \o/
[01:11] <GridCube_> hahaha :D It even loads 720p easily
[01:18] <GridCube_> Unit193, should i do an special tst?
[01:18] <GridCube_> my touch screen works as well btw
[01:18] <Unit193> Not that I know of...
[01:18] <GridCube_> ok
[01:18] <GridCube_> shutting this down
[01:19]  * Unit193 is just the idiot that created it, and hosts it...
[01:20] <GridCube> P:
[01:20] <GridCube> pleia2, you where right
[01:20] <Noskcaj10> Do you guys think it's safe to put mir on my main/only PC?
[01:20] <GridCube> its unsettling
[01:20] <GridCube> not safe no
[01:20] <Unit193> GridCube: I think you win as the most stable.
[01:21] <GridCube> :D i havent found a single error, except its not shutting down
[01:21] <GridCube> just flickering
[01:21] <GridCube> the xubutnu logo, the logs of all i wrote, and repeats
[01:22] <GridCube> well food time
[01:29] <GridCube> :) added all my impressions to the pad
[02:46] <Irihapeti> You here Unit193 ?
[02:46] <Unit193> Sure.
[02:46] <Unit193> Albeit, slightly distracted.
[02:46] <Irihapeti> When I try to boot the xmir ISO, I get "error reading /lib/udev/hwdb.bin no such file or directory"
[02:46] <Irihapeti> and then a busybox prompt
[02:47] <Irihapeti> eventually
[02:49] <Unit193> Which ISO do you have?  Not heard of any reports of this type yet, md5sum check out?
[02:49] <Unit193> /lib/udev/hwdb.bin does exist on disk...
[02:50] <Irihapeti> I used zsync, so md5sum automatic check
[02:50] <Irihapeti> then dd to a usb stick
[02:50] <Irihapeti> could try another stick
[02:50] <Unit193> When booting, check for defects, if you would.
[02:51] <Unit193> Happen on all hardware, or just the one?
[02:51] <Irihapeti> for some reason, that wouldn't work. Maybe a faulty stick or USB connection, maybe
[02:51] <Irihapeti> Only tried it on one machine so far
[02:52] <Unit193> Well, I'd state how I did it, but I'd be risking sounding like a broken record, and it's listed on the page. ;P
[02:53] <Irihapeti> which page? This one http://vanir.unit193.tk/mir/ ?
[02:53] <Unit193> Heh, yep.
[02:53] <Irihapeti> Usually, I download isos and then dd to a device. I'll try an SD card. They are usually pretty reliable for me.
[02:54] <Irihapeti> Then I'll report back later if I find anything interesting
[02:56] <Irihapeti> Thanks
[02:56] <Unit193> Sure, hope you get it.
[09:33] <elfy> knome: when you are around - I successfully created orage testcase - added it to Xfce Applications - then changed the orage testcase name to match the new id and pushed that
[09:33] <elfy> now it's disappeared from http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-testcase/ubuntu-manual-tests/trunk/files
[09:33] <elfy> not sure what I did - or if that's supposed to happen - but I'll not fiddle with ristretto just yet ...
[09:35] <smartboyhw> elfy, from what I'm seeing here, you have the version without the id
[09:35] <smartboyhw> I'm a fresh checkout BTW
[09:35] <elfy> I'll talk to knome smartboyhw thanks - quite frankly you confuse me by assuming I know what you know :)
[09:36] <elfy> thanks though :)
[09:36] <smartboyhw> elfy, oh, now it's gone:P
[09:36] <smartboyhw> Revision 193, you obviously -D (a.k.a delete)
[09:37] <smartboyhw> You can just add back the file, you know:)
[09:46] <smartboyhw> elfy, did you do bzr add????
[09:46] <smartboyhw> I think that's the reason
[09:46] <smartboyhw> You renamed it
[09:46] <smartboyhw> The original file disappeared
[09:46] <smartboyhw> But the new renamed file isn't in the commit
[09:47] <smartboyhw> Since you didn't run bzr add
[09:47] <smartboyhw> And so...
[09:47] <smartboyhw> That happens to me a lot, so I know about what happened in this case;)
[09:48] <elfy> I still have the branch here that I pulled so I've got it still 
[09:48] <elfy> you actually managed to explain that this time ;)
[09:48] <smartboyhw> elfy, YEAH!
[09:49] <elfy> smartboyhw: so - added it back here - just bzr push :parent to send it back to branch?
[09:50] <smartboyhw> elfy, yes
[09:50] <bluesabre> knome: https://code.launchpad.net/~smd-seandavis/xubuntu-default-settings/lightdm-gtk-greeter-updates/+merge/177959
[09:50] <bluesabre> :)
[09:51] <Unit193> bzr status    can also be helpful to see untracked and changed files.
[09:51] <elfy> smartboyhw: ok - it's back :p
[09:51] <smartboyhw> elfy, I confirm that the thing is back!
[09:51] <smartboyhw> :)
[09:51] <smartboyhw> Unit193, that's the thing I'm now using to prevent mistakes like this:)
[09:51] <elfy> Unit193: yea - I was seeing sso and forum login numbers in front of my eyes when I read status ... 
[09:52] <elfy> smartboyhw: can you double check something for me - go to http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/admin/config/services/qatracker
[09:53] <smartboyhw> elfy, OK
[09:53] <elfy> see if you can find ristretto there anywhere - I can't see it 
[09:53] <elfy> seems someone has named the testcase in branch instead of the other way around
[09:53] <smartboyhw> elfy, no no no.
[09:53] <smartboyhw> Can't see it.
[09:54] <elfy> didn't think so 
[09:54] <elfy> I'll sort that out
[09:55] <smartboyhw> The ID in branch is 1576, but in the QA Tracker it's Xfce4 Session and Startup settings.... 
[09:55] <elfy> back to resolution centre for an hour now though
[09:55] <elfy> smartboyhw: yea 
[09:56] <elfy> knome - you can ignore the ping 
[09:56] <smartboyhw> elfy, sorry for the forum BTW (for being hacked)
[09:56] <elfy> you can only be sorry if it was you - in which case I should wander away a but quick :)
[09:56] <knome> wut?
[09:56] <knome> :)
[09:56] <elfy> just ignore me knome :)
[09:56] <knome> heh
[09:57] <smartboyhw> elfy, it's not me, I was in UK when I learnt about this (and was shocked)
[09:57] <knome> elfy, 'bzr add' when you add new files
[09:57] <elfy> smartboyhw: I was joking - but this isn't the channel for it :)
[09:57] <smartboyhw> I know)
[09:57] <smartboyhw> :)
[09:57] <smartboyhw> Anyways
[09:57] <smartboyhw> Back to my own work
[09:57] <elfy> knome: yea - and read the status thing properly :p
[09:58] <elfy> knome: I did some work on a pad - linked from the one we were working on yesterday
[09:58] <elfy> links are on the qa blueprint 
[10:01] <knome> mhm
[10:01] <knome> will check that out
[10:01] <elfy> no rush - just letting you know 
[10:01] <knome> might as well do that right away ;)
[10:02] <knome> re: settings manager / how many we want tested
[10:02] <knome> we need to remember that we're grouping a lot of non-xfce stuff under the settings manager now
[10:02] <elfy> I know - but we do have the default stuff in there
[10:02] <knome> sure.
[10:02] <knome> i think we've gone already a bit overboard in a way, BUT, as i said, if people test them...
[10:02] <elfy> we can only work with default I'd say
[10:03] <elfy> knome: there were bugs - we asked -  people wrote stuff :)
[10:03] <knome> yeah, sure
[10:03] <elfy> I'm not going to stop that happening :)
[10:03] <knome> sure, but who filed those bugs?
[10:03] <elfy> chicuil I think 
[10:04] <knome> is he using xubuntu?
[10:04] <elfy> no 
[10:04] <elfy> he did a bunch of bugs - tags got added
[10:04] <knome> exactly my point - he can't know what's essential for us
[10:04] <elfy> he didn't add tags 
[10:04] <elfy> jackson did some - I did some 
[10:04] <knome> yeah, sure
[10:05] <knome> but if he filed a bug for xfce4 appearance settings
[10:05] <knome> it doesn't matter who added the tag
[10:05] <knome> by filing bugs for all the settings manager items he kind of decided xubuntu needs tests for all of those
[10:05] <elfy> I'm not sure he did that :)
[10:06] <knome> looks like the filer of most of those test needed -bugs
[10:06] <elfy> he did do that one
[10:06] <elfy> "It's included in Mythbuntu by default"
[10:06] <knome> right, sure.
[10:07] <elfy> I tagged that xubuntu
[10:07] <knome> i'm still not sure if this level of detail is something we want
[10:07] <knome> i would think the xfce tests are overwhelming
[10:07] <knome> there is just too much stuff, even if it's easy to run
[10:07] <elfy> well - that may well be the case - we can NOT do things a whole lot easier than we can say - we NEED this now - and have to write testcases and add them
[10:08] <Noskcaj> knome, If too much stuff is an issue, can't you just disable them from the tracker ot mark the bug invalid?
[10:08] <elfy> and also I got fed up waiting for any responses to the m/l when I asked what we wanted
[10:09]  * Noskcaj needs sleep
[10:09] <knome> Noskcaj, sure. but i wouldn't want to send anybody a message telling their work is worthless, which is what that would do
[10:10] <knome> elfy, maybe the solution would be to create an Xfce Settings Manager testsuite
[10:11] <elfy> knome: it just needs a "Thanks for all the hard work on testcase, we have them on packages tracker, this is an excellent starting point, we will slowly start to use them as tests in the future"
[10:11] <elfy> knome: there is one already - it has 'some' tests in it
[10:11] <knome> no, there isn't xfce settings manager testuite
[10:11] <knome> testsuite
[10:11] <knome> only xfce and xfce applications
[10:12] <elfy> oh right - sorry not reading you properly
[10:12] <knome> i'll create that now
[10:12] <elfy> yes - that would do it 
[10:12] <knome> let's see what it looks like
[10:12] <elfy> ok 
[10:12] <elfy> knome: hang on
[10:12] <knome> yes?
[10:13] <elfy> or did you just do 363	Xfce Settings Manager
[10:13] <knome> yes
[10:13] <knome> :)
[10:13] <elfy> :)
[10:18] <knome> elfy, http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/300/builds/50384/testcases
[10:18] <elfy> excellent
[10:19] <knome> that still looks like A LOT of stuff, but it's slightly better
[10:19] <elfy> yea 
[10:19] <knome> now if we could get weighting testsuites under products to get the xubuntu office stuff pop up...
[10:20] <elfy> but we can just call for testing for those things we want testing on m/l if necessary I guess
[10:20] <knome> sure
[10:20] <elfy> weighting would help I suspect
[10:22] <elfy> knome: sorry - I'm confused with bzr again - could you look at http://pastebin.com/jKmzQRAV
[10:22] <elfy> then I'll leave you in peace ;)
[10:23] <knome> just a sec, i'm just updateing the statuses of testcasee
[10:23] <knome> s
[10:23] <elfy> okey doke
[10:24] <knome> see: http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/300/builds/50384/testcases
[10:25] <knome> elfy, bzr merge lp:ubuntu-manual-testcases
[10:25] <elfy> only thing I would say would be that perhaps window manager tweaks should be mandatory - we used to want people to test the compositor? 
[10:26] <elfy> bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/+branch/ubuntu-manual-testcases/".
[10:26] <smartboyhw> it's -tests
[10:26] <knome> yeah, -tests :P
[10:28] <elfy> ta
[10:28] <knome> catfish
[10:28] <knome> transmission
[10:28] <smartboyhw> elfy, before you commit, better pull first:)
[10:29] <knome> software center (common)
[10:29] <elfy> smartboyhw: I bloody hate bzr
[10:29] <smartboyhw> elfy, I bloody love bzr
[10:29] <elfy> knome: in applications for catfish
[10:30] <knome> mh
[10:30] <elfy> and transmission
[10:30] <knome> transmission might be common
[10:30] <elfy> possibly - software mangler definitely is 
[10:30] <knome> mangler, lol
[10:31] <smartboyhw> Transmission is common
[10:31] <smartboyhw> It's Ubuntu's default
[10:31] <Unit193> Task: ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-usb, edubuntu-desktop, edubuntu-usb, xubuntu-desktop, lubuntu-desktop, ubuntustudio-desktop, ubuntu-gnome-desktop   sadly quite a lot like transmission.
[10:32] <smartboyhw> Unit193, sadly?
[10:33] <bluesabre> transmission works well and is user friendly
[10:33] <bluesabre> I used to use deluge, but transmission serves my needs now
[10:35] <knome> all "tests" are now removed from the testcase names :P
[10:35] <smartboyhw> \o/
[10:36] <elfy> ok - this is odd, just pulled the branch and ristretto is there as 'ristretto' if I go to http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-testcase/ubuntu-manual-tests/trunk/files/head:/testcases/packages/ it's there are 1576_ristretto
[10:36] <Unit193> bluesabre: Heh, yep.  Deluge is what I use, gives more output and control to me, which is nice.  The ncurses application is lacking, but meh.
[10:36] <elfy> knome: that looks better :)
[10:36] <smartboyhw> elfy, you did commit and push, right?
[10:36] <elfy> yea 
[10:36] <smartboyhw> If yes, that IS weird
[10:37] <elfy> must have - I bzr branch lp:ubuntu-manual-tests and it's there as just Ristretto
[10:38] <smartboyhw> elfy, no, in here it's still with the ID
[10:38] <elfy> mmm 
[10:38] <smartboyhw> And I don't think you've pushed it
[10:38] <knome> here with the id as well
[10:39] <elfy> yep - sorry - had a whole bunch of things opened here ... 
[10:39] <knome> ;)
[10:39] <smartboyhw> elfy, sigh
[10:40] <elfy> right so bzr add shows adding testcases/packages/Ristretto
[10:40] <smartboyhw> elfy, gd
[10:40] <elfy> now that I've rename it 
[10:40] <elfy> so commit then push :parent
[10:40] <smartboyhw> yep
[10:41] <elfy> d'oh will have to merge first 
[10:41] <knome> yeah, sorry for poking my fingers there :P
[10:42] <elfy> why is it telling me stuff about leafpad? 
[10:42] <knome> i poked that test.
[10:42] <knome> it had weird permissions, so i fixed them
[10:43] <smartboyhw> Hmm, my fault probably
[10:43] <elfy> ok - seems to have done something :p
[10:43] <smartboyhw> It's me who merged that in
[10:43] <knome> :)
[10:43] <smartboyhw> Sorry guys:)
[10:43] <knome> got my attention since it had a different icon...
[10:43] <elfy> right - ristretto now looks right :p
[10:43] <knome> elfy, now to add it to the tracker and rename it again! :P
[10:43] <elfy> yep
[10:44] <smartboyhw> LOL
[10:44] <knome> (you know you could've just added and renamed it once to a new ID? :))
[10:44] <smartboyhw> ristretto might be the 1600'th test!!!!!!!!
[10:44] <smartboyhw> Let me tell balloons to make a blog post to celebrate!
[10:44] <smartboyhw> :P
[10:44]  * knome goes and adds a "fart" test as the 1600th
[10:45] <bluesabre> +1
[10:45] <smartboyhw> hey
[10:45] <elfy> done that now 
[10:45] <smartboyhw> -1
[10:45] <knome> lol :D
[10:45] <elfy> smartboyhw: there's not 1600 tests :)
[10:45] <knome> beat me!
[10:45] <smartboyhw> elfy, I know, for ID purposes:P
[10:46] <smartboyhw> whaa, so difficult to catch up with the changes:P
[10:46] <knome> smartboyhw, that's what happens when the xubuntu team starts working
[10:46] <elfy> lol
[10:46] <knome> in good or bad...
[10:47] <smartboyhw> knome, elfy :OOOOOOOOOOO
[10:48] <elfy> phew
[10:48] <elfy> ok - testcase built, renamed ristretto and pushed it, looks right to me :)
[10:48] <knome> yay
[10:48] <smartboyhw> We should soon celebrate the 200th commit of the ubuntu-manual-tests though
[10:48] <knome> is it in any of our testsuites?
[10:49] <elfy> not yet ...
[10:49] <knome> hehe
[10:49] <elfy> http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/admin/config/services/qatracker/testsuites/351/edit
[10:49] <elfy> it is now :)
[10:50] <knome> nice
[10:50] <smartboyhw> Great'
[10:51] <elfy> so - that is all as convoluted as getting an MD to try and write production engineering sheets for electrical work when he's an accountant ... 
[10:51] <smartboyhw> lol
[10:51] <elfy> ballons hasn't had his ear tweaked by me for weeks ... 
[10:51] <elfy> I shall gang up on him with all 10 of my IRC personas 
[10:52] <knome> :D
[10:52] <knome> i've been pestering him so much he has barely had time to breathe
[10:52] <smartboyhw> elfy, good
[10:52] <smartboyhw> knome, great:)
[10:53] <smartboyhw> Everyone must annoy balloons :)
[10:53] <elfy> knome: ok - so I think right now - we are up to date :)
[10:53] <knome> not really from his POV... but at least i got the testcases organized how xubuntu wants :P
[10:53] <bluesabre> \o/
[10:53] <elfy> LOL
[10:53] <knome> elfy, well, not quite if you ask me
[10:53] <knome> elfy, there are a few orphan testcases in the tracker
[10:53] <elfy> xfce ones?
[10:53] <knome> elfy, like users settings, i'm suspecting that might refer to the users and groups admin we have as well
[10:53] <knome> (but that's not really an xfce core component)
[10:54] <knome> we do ship it by default though
[10:54] <knome> also time administration
[10:54] <elfy> should be in common then 
[10:54] <knome> and pidgin, pavucontrol
[10:54] <knome> we ship 'em all
[10:54] <knome> and i believe gnome sudoku too :P
[10:54] <smartboyhw> It's great that you guys are working on putting everything in:)
[10:54] <knome> which is the most useless test ever
[10:54] <elfy> ok ... 
[10:54] <smartboyhw> I mean, testsuite
[10:54] <elfy> LMAO
[10:54] <knome> and update manager.
[10:54] <smartboyhw> knome, hey, don't say it's the most useless test ever.
[10:55] <knome> that's not useless, but that's orphaned too
[10:55] <knome> smartboyhw, but it is - who cares if the sudoku is working? :P
[10:55] <bluesabre> me
[10:55] <smartboyhw> knome, users.
[10:55] <smartboyhw> And bluesabre LOL
[10:55] <bluesabre> gotta have my sudoku
[10:55] <knome> gnome mines is also orphaned..
[10:55] <bluesabre> and disappointed about not having mahjjong
[10:55] <knome> :D
[10:55] <elfy> knome: so where are you seeing users and groups admin
[10:55] <smartboyhw> Maybe the new QA lead of Ubuntu GNOME (amjjawad) is making some GNOME testcases
[10:55] <knome> elfy, http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/admin/config/services/qatracker/testcases
[10:55] <knome> elfy, under the name "users settings"
[10:56] <knome> elfy, sneaky, isn't it!
[10:56] <knome> smartboyhw, good luck with that.
[10:56] <elfy> that's the same one - test id 1597
[10:56] <smartboyhw> And I think it's time to add some KDE ones.
[10:57] <smartboyhw> The next thing you know, we have no time to test all these testcases (LOL)
[10:57] <elfy> good luck getting me to look at those 
[10:57] <knome> smartboyhw, that's what i've been saying all day, but that's not my problem ;)
[10:57] <smartboyhw> Uh hum
[10:57] <smartboyhw> I think I need to talk about balloons about that
[10:57] <knome> about what?
[10:57] <smartboyhw> That idea was suggested by one tester, and modified by me
[10:57] <elfy> knome: so where do you think pidgin should go? 
[10:57] <smartboyhw> knome, about too many testcases;P
[10:58] <elfy> pavucontrol - common? 
[10:58] <knome> no idea about either
[10:58] <smartboyhw> pavucontrol -> common yeah
[10:58] <knome> i suppose that's why they are hanging
[10:59] <elfy> pidgin I think is just us 
[11:00] <bluesabre> despite everyone admitting that it is still superior to empathy
[11:00] <elfy> in which case apps as we don't do a 'network' one 
[11:00] <Unit193> elfy: Lubuntu too.
[11:00] <elfy> oh ok 
[11:00] <knome> elfy, since it looks like we're not having *too* much stuff, we could just rename Xubuntu Office to Xubuntu Applications
[11:01] <elfy> and put pidgin in there? 
[11:01] <knome> dunno, it's common
[11:02] <elfy> but lubuntu can put it in their one anyway can't they regardless of what we do? 
[11:02] <smartboyhw> Well yeah
[11:02] <elfy> I'd not say common to 2 flavours common 
[11:02] <smartboyhw> One testcase can have many testsuites,
[11:02] <elfy> I'd say common to all flavours is common
[11:03] <knome> but we'll lose tracking
[11:03] <elfy> knome - renamed to applications now
[11:03] <knome> if the pidgin test is in both xubuntu and lubuntu, we'll have no automatic way of knowing if it's tested enough
[11:04] <elfy> this is where it will get stupid then - we could have a ridiculous situation of different 'commons'
[11:04] <knome> yep
[11:04] <elfy> perhaps those should just be 'testcases' 
[11:04] <knome> whatever you think is the best way
[11:04] <knome> it might be a non-problem
[11:04] <elfy> needs thought I think
[11:05] <knome> sure
[11:05] <knome> pidgin isn't in any testuite yet
[11:05] <knome> so it's not like "lubuntu are going to add it under theirs anyway"
[11:05] <knome> :)
[11:05] <knome> and "boohoo"
[11:05] <knome> elfy, btw, xfce4 thunar volman and gthumb too ;)
[11:06] <knome> we seem to be the only one carrying gthumb
[11:07] <elfy> so ...
[11:07] <knome> added it to xu apps
[11:07] <elfy> we have Xfce Applications and Xubuntu Applications
[11:07] <knome> yep
[11:07] <knome> is that confusing to you? :P
[11:07] <elfy> for one moment it was :)
[11:07] <knome> heh, yeah
[11:08] <knome> it's pretty obvious when you give it some thought
[11:08] <elfy> so - I'll work thorugh the orphans for a while 
[11:08] <knome> added thunar volman to xfce core as well
[11:09] <elfy> ok
[11:09] <knome> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~launchpad-pqm/launchpad/devel/files/head:/lib/canonical/launchpad/images/
[11:09] <knome> eh
[11:09] <knome> not that
[11:09] <knome> http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/300/builds/50384/testcases
[11:10] <knome> does that look good now vs status/type?
[11:10] <elfy> looking 
[11:10] <elfy> still think window tweaks should be mandatory 
[11:10] <knome> probably missed that
[11:11] <elfy> I'll change it 
[11:11] <knome> but i'd say maybe consider run-once
[11:11] <knome> it's just eye-candy after all
[11:11] <elfy> ok
[11:11] <knome> if it's not working, turn it off
[11:11] <elfy> agree with that
[11:11] <knome> and you have a functionally working system
[11:12] <elfy> yep - done it 
[11:12] <knome> mhm
[11:12] <knome> the good thing is we can always change these on-the-fly
[11:12] <elfy> I'm thinking that there's no reason to look at gnumeric anymore than we already have and am marking the bug for advanced as wishlist :)
[11:13] <knome> mhm
[11:13] <knome> agreed
[11:14] <elfy> and removing it from the enormous list of bugs on the qa blueprint ... 
[11:16] <elfy> knome: one last to look at - if you've a few minutes - I did the window manager testcase - it's been merged etc - just needs either a home or to be ignored
[11:18] <knome> isn't that for the settings manager suite
[11:19] <elfy> yea - but I've not done anything with it yet - set to run once? 
[11:21] <knome> sounds good
[11:22] <elfy> oh hang on
[11:22] <knome> yes sir
[11:22] <elfy> something awry somewhere - I'll dig and sort it out 
[11:22] <knome> btw, is the xfwm test the same as your window manager test? :P
[11:23] <elfy> I think I might have done tweaks twice
[11:23] <knome> oopsie
[11:23] <elfy> is the xfwm test there? 
[11:23] <knome> yup
[11:23] <elfy> ok - all ok then 
[11:24] <elfy> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-testcase/ubuntu-manual-tests/trunk/files/head:/testcases/packages/Xfce/
[11:24] <elfy> if you can double check 1590 and the unnumbered one - I am sure they are dupes 
[11:25] <knome> can confirm that
[11:25] <elfy> ok - so I pull the branch, delete the orphan one and then merge ? 
[11:26] <knome> yup
[11:26] <knome> except you can't delete - just rename to "blank" or sth
[11:26] <elfy> ok - then push :parent etc
[11:26] <knome> yup
[11:26] <elfy> ok 
[11:27] <elfy> then I think we will be sorted - only testcases at http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/admin/config/services/qatracker/testcases without a suite atm are common
[11:28] <elfy> moving catfish 
[11:29] <knome> sounds correct
[11:30] <elfy> catfish is now in xubuntu applications as optional, disabled in the catfish testsuite
[11:30] <knome> mhm
[11:31] <knome> bah, i should take some time next week or the week after that to actually write the gmb testcase
[11:31] <elfy> I'd not push anyone to write a testcase ... 
[11:31] <elfy> :p
[11:32] <knome> haha
[11:32] <smartboyhw> elfy, +1
[11:32] <knome> good joke ;)
[11:33] <elfy> knome: one last thing - http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/300/builds/50384/testcases
[11:33] <elfy> http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/admin/config/services/qatracker/testsuites/352/edit
[11:33] <elfy> that should be there perhaps
[11:33] <knome> mhm
[11:33] <elfy> si that - add the network testsuite to product?
[11:34] <knome> just did that
[11:34] <elfy> I saw - but I was right in adding to product? 
[11:34] <elfy> 'trying' to get the logic :)
[11:34] <knome> yes
[11:34] <elfy> cool 
[11:36] <elfy> good lord that was a lot of work for a saturday morning 
[11:36] <knome> haha
[11:37] <knome> that was just cutting the loose ends
[11:37] <elfy> :p
[11:41] <elfy> dealt with the dupe window manager now 
[11:45] <knome> woo
[11:47] <elfy> there wan't apparently a bug for the window manager anywhere 
[11:48] <knome> bug 1187470
[11:48] <elfy> sorry - I meant that the other testcase didn't get linked to that bug
[11:49] <knome> :)
[11:49] <elfy> marked it released now anyway as it is 
[11:49] <knome> note that window manager and window manager tweaks is different
[11:49] <elfy> yea - I know - we have both - and had a dupe of one :)
[11:49] <knome> hehe
[11:51] <elfy> I think I can more or less concentrate on autopilot now - which will be a barrel of laughs
[11:51] <elfy> rather than manual sytuff
[11:52] <knome> heh
[11:52] <knome> some time before beta 1 too, gives us some breathing spae
[11:52] <knome> space too
[11:52] <elfy> yep
[11:52] <knome> otoh, we could try to get one test per testcase before b1
[11:53] <elfy> autopilot? 
[11:53] <knome> and another one (up to two) before b2
[11:53] <knome> no, the manual tests
[11:53] <knome> actual *tests*, not the testcases :)
[11:53] <elfy> oic - start people testing things 
[11:53] <knome> yep
[11:53] <elfy> for real :)
[11:53] <elfy> woohoo
[11:53] <knome> does that sound viable?
[11:53] <elfy> I think so 
[11:54] <knome> (have 1 tests done by b1, 2 in total by b2)
[11:54] <knome> we probably don't have much time to test the packages after b2
[11:54] <elfy> indeed
[11:54] <knome> it's only three weeks, and testers are most probably busy with ISO testing
[11:55] <elfy> indeed 
[11:56] <knome> if we get even one test per testcase, that'll be a triumph
[11:56] <knome> that way we can be relatively sure the testcases itself make sense
[11:56] <elfy> agreed 
[11:56] <elfy> I'll start pushing for package testing then 
[11:57] <knome> great
[11:57] <knome> if you want people to review your email, write it in a pad and post to the channel
[11:57] <elfy> yep - I will do 
[11:57] <knome> ta
[12:37] <knome> bbl
[13:58] <elfy> Unit193: excellent results with that iso :p COMPLETELY unusable on one machine, seems fine on this one
[14:00] <lderan> elfy, i have gotten it running :D
[14:00] <lderan> typing was laggy but no other strangeness
[14:01] <smartboyhw> You guys don't have that two-pointer problem?:O
[14:01] <elfy> seems ok on this machine - but the laptop just crapped out completely
[14:01] <elfy> not here smartboyhw 
[14:01] <smartboyhw> elfy, ooh
[14:01] <smartboyhw> When I use it with Unity (not sure about Xfce though), I get two pointers.
[14:02] <smartboyhw> That was 25 days before though
[14:02] <smartboyhw> It might have been fixed
[14:02] <elfy> no idea about the laptop - had a 'broken' image on display - was split into about 6 zig zagging across the screen
[14:02] <elfy> no idea 
[14:02] <elfy> really don't like gnome now 
[14:02] <smartboyhw> What I do recommend here is that use it not for 13.10 but for 14.04....
[14:02] <smartboyhw> I mean, Mir
[14:07] <elfy> seem to be people getting this iso of unit's - I've seeded 6Gb since this morning
[14:07] <elfy> which could be ~7 people :D
[14:18] <lderan> woo
[15:06] <elfy> knome and anyone else who might want to look, like pleia2 - http://pad.ubuntu.com/m2wAr0Hntu
[15:11] <smartboyhw> elfy, nice:)
[16:39] <GridCubexmir> :)
[16:40] <elfy> :)
[16:40] <elfy> I could have done that on this machine :)
[16:40] <skellat> GridCubexmir: Status so far?
[16:40] <GridCubexmir> dual monitors are mirroring, i dont see the setting for extend it
[16:41] <GridCubexmir> probably i cant in a live session?
[16:41] <GridCubexmir> cant see a real problem beyond the lagging part
[16:42] <GridCubexmir> can you paste me the link to the etherpad so ill upload my report?
[16:45] <skellat> Hmm
[16:45] <skellat> Hold on
[16:45] <GridCubexmir> just the Unit193 page should do
[16:46] <skellat> http://vanir.unit193.tk/mir/
[16:47] <GridCubexmir> im figuring out that i would need something different from arandr for the dual monitors
[16:47] <GridCubexmir> because its mir the onedoing the mirroring right?
[16:53] <GridCubexmir> D: it wont let me OK the microsoft eula in the xubuntu-restricted-extras installer
[16:58] <GridCubexmir> aaaaaaaand the Unit193 page its not loading
[16:58] <skellat> Well, when you have The Jono Bacon promote the link on G+ you should kinda expect the server to have a panic attack
[16:59] <skellat> Let me open my logs and find the direct Etherpad link
[17:00] <skellat> Gridcubexmir: Go to http://etherpad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-mir
[17:00] <GridCubexmir> merçi
[17:08] <elfy> skellat: there's no way that I'm going to +1 xmir http://imagebin.org/266445
[17:09] <GridCubexmir> my testcases are completely different
[17:09] <lderan> that is rather bad
[17:10] <GridCubexmir> they work almost perfectly
[17:10] <elfy> lderan: screenie? 
[17:10] <lderan> yeah
[17:10] <elfy> yea - I was expecting it to fail with nouveau rather than an intel thing tbh
[17:18] <GridCubexmir> well i can try to install the nvidia drivers and see how that goes
[17:46] <elfy> had enough of that then ... 
[17:46] <elfy> :p
[17:48] <skellat> elfy: They've still got until August 15th.  If we let them know about what is going haywire now, perhaps fixes may still yet happen.
[17:49] <elfy> yea - I agree - I've just seen it all before 
[17:49] <elfy> hope it doesn't work like other 'ideas' but you'll forgive me if I don't hold my breath
[17:53] <skellat> elfy: If we put the question to them about how to re-architect our ISOs to survive boot & usage I imagine we might get some interesting responses.
[17:55] <elfy> I'm afraid that the ins and outs of what we could do mean nothing to me. 
[17:56] <elfy> I expect canonical to provide a working environment if I'm expected to agree to releasing 
[20:43] <knome> elfy, played around a bit with the pad
[20:47] <elfy> posted it now 
[20:47] <knome> heh, oki
[20:47] <knome> worksforme :)
[20:47] <knome> i didn't explain that "some*", but oh well. :)
[20:48] <knome> people can ask...
[20:49] <drc> huh, forgot my passsword :)
[20:52] <elfy> lol
[20:53] <elfy> it'll work out I'm sure 
[20:53] <knome> always does
[20:53] <elfy> yep
[20:53] <elfy> anyway - away now - back tomorrow at some point I suspect
[20:58] <xubuntu_> OK, phooey on the password :)
[20:59] <xubuntu_> http://imagebin.org/266460 is what I get when I boot the xmir ISO thru the Install GUI screen
[21:00] <xubuntu_> and http://imagebin.org/266462 is what I get when I boot thru the text based screen
[21:01] <knome> Unit193, ding-a-ling
[21:01] <Unit193> knome: Howdy.
[21:01] <knome> ^ 
[21:01] <xubuntu_> the second screen shot shows the results of the ps ax | grep command.
[21:01] <xubuntu_> So, did it boot thru to xmir or not?
[21:02] <Unit193> Yep, and mir is running, notice any weirdness at all?  (Care to document to the pad, if you have a LP account?>)
[21:02] <Unit193> You're in XMir, yep.
[21:02] <xubuntu_> BTW, this is drc
[21:03] <Unit193> Figured, but wasn't 100% sure, thanks.
[21:03] <xubuntu_> It's interesting, If I sit and let the boot happen thru the gui, I get a error message relating to lightdm, but it I hit return early on and go thru the text screen, I do not get the error
[21:04] <Unit193> Several people have noticed lag when typing in a terminal, have you?  Heh, well I've always used the "text" mode, I dislike the "Maybe Ubiquity" screen. :P
[21:04] <xubuntu_> Unit193, yes, a few seconds
[21:05] <xubuntu_> Now I'm PO'd....I was all set to rant against xmir...and it appears to work (for me :)
[21:06] <Unit193> Hah, should have tried 0.0.6, then. ;)
[21:06] <xubuntu_> seeing as how I'm still in xmir, try to document this?you want me to try before I go back to xorg and 
[21:07] <xubuntu_> woah...that was wierd
[21:07] <xubuntu_> seeing as how I'm still in xmir, anything you want me to try before I go back to xorg and try to document this? 
[21:07] <Unit193> http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-mir if you would be so kind?  Can of course include the screenshot, and lspci | grep VGA
[21:08] <Unit193> Hrm, I thought of something earlier, but can't remember now. :P
[21:10] <xubuntu_> ok, I'm going to let this sit while I go to the kitchen.  If you think of it, just hollar.
[21:11] <Unit193> The only things they seemed to note were full screen applications didn't bypass the compositor, thus weren't as fast as native X.org, but it's a known one.
[21:17] <GridCube> Unit193, in this machine i tried playing an 1080p in fullscreen and it worked just like in standard
[21:17] <Unit193> GridCube: Yeah, gave me the idea, and going to try the one that can't handle some higher quality flash, see how it compares.
[21:18] <GridCube> oh in my netbook i played 720p youtube flash no problem too
[21:19] <GridCube> Unit193, i noticed that the zoom pointer got broken stuffs while moving
[21:26] <xubuntu_> any screenshots (other than the two I refered to earlier) anyone wants before I shut xmir down?
[21:26] <Unit193> I think that'll do it, thank you.
[21:26] <GridCube> xubuntu_, added the data to the pad?
[21:27] <xubuntu_> GridCube: nah, it's good data , cn't have that :)
[21:37] <drc_> I forgot to look, what version of xmir was I using?
[21:38] <Unit193> 0.0.8
[21:39] <Unit193> (If you downloaded the file in the past 3 days.)
[21:40] <drc_> 30 min ago :)
[21:55] <drc_> ok, on the pad...if anyone needs more info, let me know