| === Guest84363 is now known as wgrant | ||
| smartboyhw | Whoohoo my main PPA is now 6GiB:) | 04:03 |
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| smartboyhw | Damn, quantal 4.10.97 is now just last step away from ready, but I just can't make kate and pykde4 happy... | 04:11 |
| shadeslayer | smartboyhw: no endorsements is fine, I didn't get any as well, it was mostly that the the most active developers should be familiar with your work | 05:13 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, uh | 05:23 |
| smartboyhw | OK:P | 05:23 |
| shadeslayer | did someone setup a doodle? | 05:23 |
| smartboyhw | Then the wiki page really needs an update | 05:23 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, let me go and setup one | 05:24 |
| shadeslayer | if not I can send an email out regarding that since Riddell is out | 05:24 |
| shadeslayer | smartboyhw: cool | 05:24 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, where should we hold the meeting? | 05:26 |
| smartboyhw | Here or #ubuntu-meeting? | 05:26 |
| jussi | here is usual | 05:26 |
| jussi | shadeslayer: we all thought you were crap, but we liked you so much we let you in :P :P :P :P : P :P | 05:27 |
| valorie | pffff | 05:27 |
| smartboyhw | jussi, LOL | 05:27 |
| smartboyhw | pffffff | 05:27 |
| shadeslayer | :) | 05:27 |
| * jussi hugs shadeslayer | 05:28 | |
| * shadeslayer huggles jussi back | 05:28 | |
| smartboyhw | Please enter a value. | 05:28 |
| smartboyhw | What!?!? | 05:28 |
| shadeslayer | jussi: oh and btw, you've lost alot of weight :O | 05:28 |
| smartboyhw | I can't even set the title......\ | 05:28 |
| shadeslayer | jussi: or maybe you just look good in the camera :P | 05:28 |
| jussi | shadeslayer: 13 kg | 05:28 |
| shadeslayer | jussi: congrats :D | 05:29 |
| jussi | shadeslayer: still about 10 to go | 05:29 |
| shadeslayer | jussi: is that Elodi's doing :P | 05:29 |
| shadeslayer | keeping you up at night, making you run after her etc | 05:29 |
| jussi | shadeslayer: no, its just my love of bacon... m Im on a bacon diet! :D | 05:29 |
| shadeslayer | there's a bacon *diet* ? :D | 05:29 |
| jussi | not quite, but my diet includes bacon... | 05:30 |
| jussi | I started in feb, and Ive now lost 13kg. I wonder what ill look like in feb next year | 05:30 |
| * shadeslayer needs to start working out as well, I've gotten so fat -.- | 05:31 | |
| jussi | hehe | 05:31 |
| jussi | shadeslayer: its funny, when you are big, workouts are soo hard, you give up. but if you can modify your diet and loose a little, then the workouts come much easier | 05:32 |
| shadeslayer | oh | 05:33 |
| shadeslayer | I'm not as big as you yet, I can still start | 05:33 |
| shadeslayer | I'm just lazy ... | 05:33 |
| jussi | shadeslayer: ++ I know that feeling, careful or youll end up as big as i was | 05:35 |
| shadeslayer | jussi: yeah, hopefully will be better once I move | 05:35 |
| jussi | shadeslayer: where are you moving to ? finally coming to join me here in .fi? | 05:36 |
| ScottK | He'd freeze in a week. | 05:36 |
| ScottK | Even in summer. | 05:36 |
| jussi | haha | 05:37 |
| jussi | ScottK: come on, we had 30C yesterday! | 05:37 |
| smartboyhw | ScottK, shadeslayer you should have received an invitation of the Doodle poll now. I shall post the public address to kubuntu-devel mailin list soon | 05:37 |
| shadeslayer | jussi: I'm planning to acclimatize to Barcelona first :P | 05:38 |
| shadeslayer | got it | 05:38 |
| ScottK | Didn't get it yet, but I greylist, so it's not surprising. | 05:39 |
| smartboyhw | ScottK, I used ubuntu@kitterman.com | 05:43 |
| smartboyhw | Thank you shadeslayer | 05:44 |
| shadeslayer | oh drat, I did not factor in various other meetings into my doodle stuff | 05:45 |
| * shadeslayer goes back to change | 05:45 | |
| ScottK | Doodled. | 05:49 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, sure | 05:52 |
| smartboyhw | ScottK, thanks | 05:52 |
| smartboyhw | Whoa, it looks like 13:00 UTC of 9th (Fri) is the most popular right now | 05:53 |
| === smartboyhw changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly Computing | https://trello.com/kubuntu | https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas 4.10.97 saucy/archive raring/beta quantal/staging precise/read_notes_on_pad | 13.10 Alpha 2 released | 13.10 milestoned bugs tagged Kubuntu http://goo.gl/vHRjj | Kubuntu Developers please vote at http://doodle.com/2mwfbh9b7pbz3qzk | ||
| soee | good morning | 05:59 |
| valorie | http://fossforce.com/2013/07/whats-your-favorite-foss-or-linux-blog/ - Martin's blog is leading | 06:21 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: http://paste.kde.org/p61a77235/ | 07:57 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: that's for precise | 07:57 |
| jussi | sigh | 08:00 |
| jussi | silly kde, why do you show everyone whats on my screen when waking up? | 08:00 |
| apachelogger | porn leakage? | 08:11 |
| tsdgeos | jussi: given how "unstandard" ubuntu's sleeping methods are i would not blame kde apps so quickly | 08:11 |
| jussi | apachelogger: no, work laptop. | 08:11 |
| jussi | tsdgeos: heh... I guess. in any case, Kubuntu has a bug | 08:11 |
| apachelogger | you know | 08:12 |
| apachelogger | I still think we should simply adopt systemd :P | 08:12 |
| shadeslayer | ^^ | 08:12 |
| shadeslayer | and make it not crippled | 08:12 |
| apachelogger | cuz the upstart-logind bastard child of hell seems to not be so great :P | 08:12 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: put it in the agenda for the meeting? | 08:13 |
| apachelogger | what meeting? | 08:13 |
| jussi | apachelogger: topic :D | 08:13 |
| shadeslayer | ^^ | 08:13 |
| apachelogger | wait what | 08:14 |
| apachelogger | it's in the topic too | 08:14 |
| apachelogger | dafuq | 08:14 |
| * jussi hugs apachelogger | 08:14 | |
| jussi | apachelogger: sounds like you need a coffee... | 08:14 |
| apachelogger | so I was out for the weekend and today I turn on the magic box which makes light come out of this very dark mirror | 08:14 |
| apachelogger | and I look at my mail | 08:14 |
| apachelogger | and there's 3 threads about smartboyhw's membership thing | 08:15 |
| apachelogger | and now I also find it on IRC | 08:15 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: hm, that's better than what I got | 08:15 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: oh | 08:15 |
| apachelogger | tales from "how to make apachelogger not care" :P | 08:15 |
| yofel | though amarok and kde-workspace don't belong on the removal list | 08:15 |
| shadeslayer | you don't say :P | 08:15 |
| yofel | ^^ | 08:15 |
| apachelogger | xserver-xorg | 08:16 |
| apachelogger | that seems x driven though | 08:16 |
| apachelogger | libgl1-mesa-dri or that maybe, seeing as X possibly deps on that | 08:16 |
| apachelogger | ah | 08:16 |
| apachelogger | now I get it | 08:16 |
| apachelogger | we are pulling in the lts enablement stack? | 08:17 |
| shadeslayer | yes | 08:17 |
| apachelogger | aaaaahhhhhhhhh | 08:17 |
| apachelogger | yes, linkage seems kaput in workspace then | 08:17 |
| apachelogger | kwin wants regular x, doesn't get it, goes away | 08:17 |
| shadeslayer | checking | 08:18 |
| apachelogger | amarok doesn't quite make sense though | 08:19 |
| apachelogger | at least on raring it doesn't have any deps on any other package marked for removal | 08:20 |
| apachelogger | deps libx11-6, which may or may not be the cause here | 08:22 |
| shadeslayer | Don't think it's libx11 | 08:23 |
| shadeslayer | because there is no libx11 LTS backport | 08:23 |
| apachelogger | well, there's nothing else :P | 08:24 |
| * apachelogger hates writing changelogs -.- | 08:26 | |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: actually you could just let apt tell you :P | 08:26 |
| apachelogger | apt-get -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=yes dist-upgrade | 08:26 |
| apachelogger | or somesuch business | 08:26 |
| yofel | right | 08:26 |
| shadeslayer | *nod* | 08:27 |
| yofel | smartboyhw: uh, the pykde build failure is pretty clear though, python-qt4 depends on sip-api-8.1, while python-sip provides sip-api-10.0 | 08:28 |
| yofel | you python-qt4 is too old | 08:29 |
| yofel | *your | 08:29 |
| yofel | doodled btw. | 08:30 |
| shadeslayer | http://paste.kde.org/p1ee7c81a/ | 08:31 |
| shadeslayer | we need to rebuild amarok against the new HWE stack as well I think | 08:38 |
| yofel | oh right | 08:38 |
| yofel | I'll backport the beta | 08:38 |
| yofel | 2.7 crashes with 4.11 anyway | 08:38 |
| shadeslayer | ack | 08:38 |
| * shadeslayer looks at kde-workspace then | 08:39 | |
| shadeslayer | aha | 08:40 |
| shadeslayer | Broken kde-window-manager-common:amd64 Depends on libgl1-mesa-glx [ amd64 ] < 8.0.4-0ubuntu0.6 > ( libs ) | 08:40 |
| yofel | dpkg-shlibdeps is fun, isn't it? | 08:42 |
| shadeslayer | ^^ | 08:43 |
| yofel | $ cat debian/libgl1-mesa-glx-lts-raring.shlibs | 08:47 |
| yofel | libGL 1 libgl1-mesa-glx | libgl1 | 08:47 |
| afiestas | smartboyhw: yes | 08:47 |
| yofel | uhm | 08:47 |
| shadeslayer | *facedesk* | 08:47 |
| yofel | I think we need to ask the X folks how this is *supposed* to work | 08:48 |
| * shadeslayer pokes X people | 08:48 | |
| yofel | so... | 09:18 |
| yofel | we have the choice between 2 not recommended things we can do :/ | 09:18 |
| yofel | a) default to mesa 8 (not recommended by martin) | 09:20 |
| yofel | b) explicitely pull in the mesa stack with manual depends (not recommened by ubuntu-x) | 09:20 |
| shadeslayer | do a) and ask users to install the lts stack? | 09:21 |
| yofel | probably the best solution indeed, at least it's the one with the least amount of breakage potential | 09:21 |
| shadeslayer | yep ^^ | 09:22 |
| shadeslayer | only that this means we get to upload everything again | 09:22 |
| yofel | well, shouldn't be much of an issue | 09:23 |
| yofel | but qt and meta need to be fixed too | 09:23 |
| shadeslayer | *nod* | 09:23 |
| shadeslayer | oh | 09:23 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: can't we just make meta depend on the LTS stack | 09:23 |
| yofel | well, it already *does* | 09:23 |
| yofel | doesn't help | 09:23 |
| shadeslayer | uhm right | 09:24 |
| shadeslayer | oh? | 09:24 |
| yofel | The following packages will be REMOVED: | 09:24 |
| yofel | ... kubuntu-desktop kubuntu-full | 09:24 |
| shadeslayer | :/ | 09:24 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: but isn't that because of kde-window-manager | 09:24 |
| shadeslayer | so if we fix everything to build against regular mesa, but make the meta package depend on the HWE stack | 09:25 |
| shadeslayer | then during the upgrade it'll pull in the new HWE stack | 09:25 |
| yofel | it'll remove the meta packages on upgrade. But that would at least provide an easy way to install the HWE stack | 09:25 |
| yofel | that's what kubuntu-lts-backport is supposed to do currently | 09:26 |
| yofel | but just trying to install that ends up with | 09:27 |
| yofel | kubuntu-lts-backport : Depends: xserver-xorg-lts-raring but it is not going to be installed | 09:27 |
| shadeslayer | o_o | 09:27 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: ok, how about this: revert back to default mesa, allow kubuntu-desktop to use both and provide kubuntu-lts-backport to install the full HWE stack | 09:29 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: yeah, that's what was going through my mind as well | 09:29 |
| yofel | then lets go with that. I'll upload a qt rebuild | 09:30 |
| shadeslayer | but didn't you just say that kubuntu-lts-backport isn't installable? | 09:30 |
| yofel | no here, and 'apt-get install kubuntu-lts-backport xserver-xorg-lts-raring' results in: http://paste.kde.org/pbb07556c | 09:31 |
| yofel | *not here | 09:31 |
| yofel | but that package doesn't really do much right now: | 09:32 |
| yofel | kubuntu-lts-backport | 09:32 |
| yofel | Depends: linux-image-generic-lts-raring | 09:32 |
| yofel | Depends: xserver-xorg-lts-raring | 09:32 |
| yofel | and I think we'll need at least the manual dependencies on mesa | 09:33 |
| yofel | apt-get install kubuntu-lts-backport libgl1-mesa-glx-lts-raring | 09:34 |
| yofel | looks much better | 09:34 |
| yofel | qt uploaded | 09:42 |
| shadeslayer | ack | 09:43 |
| shadeslayer | I suppose I could go for a quick nap :P | 09:44 |
| yofel | go ahead, this'll take 4h ^^ | 09:44 |
| jussi | shadeslayer: or have a swordfight... :D http://xkcd.com/303/ | 09:44 |
| shadeslayer | jussi: oh that was this morning | 09:45 |
| jussi | haha | 09:45 |
| shadeslayer | when Qt tests were running :) | 09:45 |
| smartboyhw | apachelogger, yofel sorry for spamming mailing list | 09:48 |
| smartboyhw | yofel, yeah I know.. | 09:48 |
| smartboyhw | afiestas, oh good:) | 09:48 |
| yofel | what about the ML? | 09:48 |
| smartboyhw | yofel, I mean apachelogger receiving 3 emails:P | 09:49 |
| yofel | ah | 09:49 |
| apachelogger | well, in all fairness, I am important like that | 09:49 |
| smartboyhw | apachelogger, yes, you are VERY important:) | 09:49 |
| apachelogger | I am now working 3 hours and am still reading backmail from the weekend | 09:50 |
| apachelogger | quite the drag -.- | 09:50 |
| smartboyhw | apachelogger, where's kubotu? | 09:51 |
| apachelogger | vacation | 09:52 |
| smartboyhw | apachelogger, ..... | 09:52 |
| smartboyhw | If you would kindly make it back? | 09:52 |
| afiestas | smartboyhw: as soon as a package reaches the ftp, it means it is ready for download/package/etc | 09:53 |
| smartboyhw | afiestas, yeah, I've packaged it here already:) | 09:53 |
| afiestas | I haven't announce it (or Dan) because we are busy | 09:53 |
| afiestas | awesome! thanks | 09:53 |
| apachelogger | hm | 09:53 |
| afiestas | can I get an update of Kubuntu freeze? | 09:54 |
| afiestas | I'd like to release KScreen 1.1 before it | 09:54 |
| smartboyhw | afiestas, Kubuntu Freeze? You mean, Feature Freeze? | 09:54 |
| apachelogger | jussi, tsimpson: didn't we have an upstart/init.d script for kubotu? | 09:54 |
| * apachelogger kubuntu freezes afiestas | 09:54 | |
| smartboyhw | apachelogger, +1 | 09:54 |
| apachelogger | August 29th | 09:54 |
| apachelogger | Warning /!\ FeatureFreeze, Beta 1 Freeze (for opt-in flavors) | 09:54 |
| tsimpson | apachelogger: we don't | 09:54 |
| apachelogger | tsimpson: curious | 09:54 |
| smartboyhw | afiestas, FeatureFreeze and Beta1Freeze is on August 29th | 09:54 |
| apachelogger | I guess I should write one then ^^ | 09:55 |
| tsimpson | you can create a cron job too/instead | 09:55 |
| tsimpson | if you do write an upstart job, I'd like that :) | 09:55 |
| apachelogger | same amount of work as the trick is figuring out how to get a screen with kubotu started as my user | 09:56 |
| apachelogger | which is why I thouht we had a script because I definitely remember working on that | 09:56 |
| apachelogger | oh well | 09:56 |
| tsimpson | also, we'll be moving ubottu.com to 13.04 soon (as soon as I get everything transferred to the new server) | 09:56 |
| apachelogger | at least manually starting kubotu gives me the chance to update it every once in a while ^^ | 09:56 |
| smartboyhw | kubotu: newversion libkscreen 1.0.1 | 09:57 |
| smartboyhw | HAHAHA | 09:57 |
| kubotu | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1208409 | 09:57 |
| apachelogger | kubotu: hey | 09:58 |
| kubotu | morning apachelogger :D | 09:58 |
| smartboyhw | kubotu: newversion kscreen 1.0.1 | 09:59 |
| kubotu | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1208413 | 10:00 |
| tsimpson | apachelogger: you can pass -b when starting the bot to background it too, so no need for screen | 10:01 |
| smartboyhw | -queuebot/#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ibus-cangjie [source] (raring-proposed) [0.0.1~git20130325-0ubuntu1.1] | 10:02 |
| smartboyhw | Oops, wrong chan:P | 10:02 |
| * smartboyhw is supposed to post it in another one, sorry folks | 10:02 | |
| smartboyhw | yofel, any time to review kscreen and libkscreen? | 10:08 |
| smartboyhw | It's in https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+archive/packaging-staging-1/+packages | 10:08 |
| smartboyhw | (A new PPA:P) | 10:08 |
| smartboyhw | Hmm, why are you guys more free on Fridays? :O | 10:09 |
| apachelogger | tsimpson: yes, but I like having it on a screen :P | 10:15 |
| shadeslayer | hm, 4.12 beta releases happen within one week | 10:15 |
| tsimpson | ok then | 10:15 |
| apachelogger | it's an OCD thing ^^ | 10:15 |
| shadeslayer | not sure if that's enough time to get them out quickly enough :/ | 10:15 |
| shadeslayer | not to mention Kubuntu get's about 15 days of upstream support \o/ | 10:16 |
| shadeslayer | ( assuming Kubuntu is released in the middle of April ) | 10:16 |
| shadeslayer | for an LTS release that sounds awesome | 10:17 |
| apachelogger | fails to compute | 10:17 |
| shadeslayer | http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.12_Release_Schedule | 10:17 |
| shadeslayer | Tuesday, April 29 2014: KDE 4.12.5 release | 10:17 |
| shadeslayer | oh actually, if previous release is any indication, the x.04 release is made towards the end of the month | 10:19 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: less time between releases also means less changes we need to take into account | 10:30 |
| yofel | so I think it would work (for beta2+) | 10:31 |
| shadeslayer | right, just saying that by the time we'll be done with beta 1 , beta 2 will be close to tagging | 10:31 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, as in 4.11 anyway | 10:31 |
| smartboyhw | yofel, will you review kscreen? | 10:32 |
| shadeslayer | nope | 10:32 |
| smartboyhw | and libkscreen ofc | 10:32 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: not in the next 6h | 10:32 |
| shadeslayer | Beta 1 and Beta 2 had 2 weeks in between them | 10:32 |
| yofel | er, smartboyhw^ | 10:32 |
| shadeslayer | I can have a look | 10:32 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, great | 10:32 |
| yofel | yeah, 1 week is a bit short | 10:32 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, they are in https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+archive/packaging-staging-1/+packages | 10:33 |
| yofel | considering we need at least 2 days to actually get the beta out | 10:33 |
| shadeslayer | I am not sure why Riddell didn't send the suggestions we decided on to the ML | 10:33 |
| yofel | leaves at most 5 days for testing | 10:33 |
| shadeslayer | 2 days? hah, first Beta usually takes alot more time | 10:33 |
| shadeslayer | new deps, new files and what not | 10:33 |
| smartboyhw | yofel, how long did we take to get Beta 1 ou? | 10:33 |
| yofel | in *saucy*, not saucy+1 because that needs another 2 days or so until it's through -proposed | 10:33 |
| smartboyhw | in 4.11? | 10:33 |
| shadeslayer | well, 4.12 comes out post saucy release | 10:34 |
| shadeslayer | that's what I was talking about | 10:34 |
| yofel | sure, I'm talking about testing | 10:34 |
| shadeslayer | uhm, last 2 sentences make no sense :P | 10:34 |
| yofel | well, we can do the beta backports *fast* | 10:34 |
| shadeslayer | 4.12 comes out post saucy, so we put it in saucy + 1 first | 10:34 |
| yofel | building in saucy+1 archive takes longer | 10:34 |
| yofel | so less testing in the dev release | 10:34 |
| shadeslayer | right | 10:35 |
| yofel | that's all I said | 10:35 |
| shadeslayer | *nod* | 10:35 |
| shadeslayer | backporting is fast | 10:35 |
| yofel | beta1 packaging takes about a week usually, which is why I said beta2+ | 10:35 |
| yofel | beta1 will never see a release in kubuntu with *that* schedule I fear | 10:35 |
| shadeslayer | afiestas: tsdgeos ^^ | 10:36 |
| shadeslayer | and upstream will get loads of bug reports post 14.04 release | 10:36 |
| yofel | but that's an estimate based on recent experience | 10:36 |
| shadeslayer | nothing we can do about that as well | 10:36 |
| yofel | are there git moves planned for 4.12? | 10:36 |
| yofel | (kdewebdev?) | 10:36 |
| tsdgeos | shadeslayer: thought luck for you i guess :D | 10:37 |
| tsdgeos | let's delay the world because i'm slow! | 10:38 |
| smartboyhw | So, we will be uploading to devel soon... | 10:38 |
| smartboyhw | Probably saucy+1 | 10:38 |
| yofel | if we don't have git splitups we can do beta1 within 4 days I believe | 10:38 |
| smartboyhw | The *rolling release* symlink thing. | 10:38 |
| yofel | smartboyhw: wasn't that meant to be an *additional* target? | 10:39 |
| tsdgeos | shadeslayer: if oyu can't get beta1, you can do beta2, or you can start working on "non beta tarballs" if that helps, or... | 10:39 |
| shadeslayer | tsdgeos: depends entirely on how much you change :P | 10:39 |
| yofel | smartboyhw: though unification would make sense I guess | 10:39 |
| smartboyhw | yofel, well it seems like we can upload to it | 10:39 |
| shadeslayer | if there are alot of changes, then it'll take time | 10:39 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: well, we have kdelibs and kde-workspace frozen | 10:39 |
| smartboyhw | You can still ofc upload to saucy, saucy+1 | 10:39 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: right, but there are like a bazillion other things | 10:40 |
| yofel | not that much, if anything it's finding out what dependencies need to be updated | 10:40 |
| yofel | that easily causes a day of delay | 10:40 |
| yofel | though we could do that *before* beta1 really | 10:40 |
| smartboyhw | Going for a swim.. | 10:43 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, please vote on the Trello:P | 10:43 |
| yofel | tsdgeos: one thing though: are you sure you can keep the release dates? with tagging and release on the same day in 4.11 we had a few cases where the tars were online a day or two after the tagging. | 10:43 |
| yofel | Considering we only have 1 week to work with them such a delay becomes a problem | 10:43 |
| shadeslayer | smartboyhw: diffs look sane to me | 10:46 |
| shadeslayer | smartboyhw: will upload once they're built | 10:46 |
| Riddell | smartboyhw: vote on trello? | 10:54 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: he probably meant doodle | 10:58 |
| Riddell | ok done | 11:01 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: and what happened to the suggestion we made regarding having a growing period between bug fix releases? | 11:06 |
| yofel | growing period? | 11:06 |
| shadeslayer | yeah, like 4.12.1 3 weeks after 4.12, 4.12.2 6 weeks after 4.12.1 | 11:07 |
| shadeslayer | so on and so forth | 11:07 |
| yofel | oh that | 11:07 |
| yofel | dunno | 11:07 |
| shadeslayer | *shrug* as long as I don't have to deal with bug reports and all of them go upstream ;) | 11:09 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: sure, all of them will be RESOLVED EOL though | 11:09 |
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| yofel | well, probably not | 11:10 |
| yofel | but still | 11:10 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, thank you! | 12:30 |
| smartboyhw | Hmm, probably 16th 13:00 UTC then..... | 12:31 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, is it that you wanted a news release for calligra 2.7.1? It has migrated into -release now | 12:36 |
| Riddell | smartboyhw: oh cool if it's migrated and raring and precise are done then go for it | 12:49 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, no precise sorry | 13:02 |
| smartboyhw | It can't work without g++-4.7 | 13:03 |
| smartboyhw | I can only do Quantal | 13:03 |
| BluesKaj | Hey folks | 13:07 |
| Quintasan | Riddell: Do we support things like 12.04 -> 13.04? | 13:08 |
| Quintasan | or it's only LTS -> LTS upgrades that we support? | 13:08 |
| davmor2 | Quintasan: update-manager -d will take you out of the lts→lts | 13:14 |
| Quintasan | davmor2: I might be dumb but wouldn't -d install saucy? | 13:14 |
| Quintasan | Current development release is saucy iirc | 13:15 |
| davmor2 | Quintasan: d'oh yeap sorry | 13:15 |
| davmor2 | Quintasan: it in software-properties-gtk for me on ubuntu so I'm assuming there is a qt version maybe? | 13:15 |
| highvoltage | /win 17 | 13:16 |
| smartboyhw | highvoltage, !? | 13:16 |
| Quintasan | davmor2: I see. I forgot about that, thanks. | 13:19 |
| davmor2 | Quintasan: http://ubuntuone.com/0us1fr5yKrdhJ3YTWIcBmp | 13:19 |
| smartboyhw | MMm | 13:25 |
| smartboyhw | http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/ubuntu-derivatives-5-of-the-best-ubuntu-based-distros-1170314 | 13:25 |
| smartboyhw | We are only at No.3 behind Ubuntu GNOME and Bodhi Linux... | 13:25 |
| smartboyhw | Oh no, it's 4th:( | 13:25 |
| smartboyhw | Ah, it's actually score damn:P | 13:26 |
| smartboyhw | 4/5 that's quite good | 13:26 |
| yofel | smartboyhw: are you actually sure it failed with gcc-4.6? because we do have 2.7.0 in the precise backports | 13:27 |
| smartboyhw | yofel, g++ | 13:27 |
| smartboyhw | Not gcc | 13:27 |
| yofel | same thing | 13:27 |
| smartboyhw | yofel, somebody give me the backlog | 13:28 |
| smartboyhw | o 2.7.0 | 13:28 |
| smartboyhw | *of | 13:28 |
| yofel | uh, look at the ppa? | 13:28 |
| smartboyhw | yofel, looking | 13:29 |
| smartboyhw | yofel, I think it's because I'm missing out some cmake things... | 13:31 |
| smartboyhw | Yeah | 13:32 |
| smartboyhw | Sorry:P | 13:34 |
| yofel | nah, backporting to precise isn't straight forward for most packages sadly :/ | 13:36 |
| smartboyhw | yofel, uploaded a new version:P | 13:36 |
| smartboyhw | Hmm, this time it's amd64 PPA build queue in busy state | 13:44 |
| Quintasan | herp | 13:52 |
| Quintasan | $8M is it | 13:52 |
| afiestas | hey, is the akonadi systemtray still being installed by default? | 14:07 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, is kscreen and libkscreen ready? | 14:08 |
| shadeslayer | smartboyhw: I was afk, I can upload now | 14:08 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, great, afiestas :) | 14:08 |
| smartboyhw | Oh, digikam is now officially 3.3.0 | 14:09 |
| smartboyhw | kubotu: newversion digikam 3.3.0 | 14:09 |
| shadeslayer | smartboyhw: file SRU bugs for raring? | 14:09 |
| kubotu | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1208482 | 14:10 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, OK | 14:11 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, maybe just reuse the old bugs to upgrade the software version | 14:11 |
| smartboyhw | And nominate for Raring? | 14:11 |
| smartboyhw | kscreen and libkscreen has MRE available:) | 14:11 |
| shadeslayer | smartboyhw: yeah I suppose you could nominate those bugs for raring | 14:13 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, you nominate;P | 14:14 |
| smartboyhw | I don't have the privileges... | 14:14 |
| shadeslayer | done | 14:14 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, I think it will be better if you prepare the SRU, you can upload directly:) | 14:15 |
| smartboyhw | I mean, I've done 1 SRU myself | 14:15 |
| smartboyhw | But that one has nobody to upload at all:P | 14:15 |
| shadeslayer | uploaded for saucy | 14:15 |
| smartboyhw | Uh oh, digikam download is real slow | 14:17 |
| shadeslayer | you don't say | 14:18 |
| shadeslayer | with the embedded libs and what not :) | 14:18 |
| ScottK | afiestas: It is. Akonadi isn't reliable enough yet not to have it. | 14:18 |
| ScottK | (or if it isn't, it's a bug, IMO) | 14:19 |
| afiestas | ScottK: then it is being installed? | 14:19 |
| ScottK | It is in raring. IDK for sure about saucy. It should be. | 14:20 |
| afiestas | removing of it was specifically recommended by kdepim-developers, and the by the time akonadi maintainer | 14:20 |
| afiestas | and from what I remember it was super evil, in one of the UDS I told you to remove it following Volker advice and iirc you said you would (and I remember seeing it gone) | 14:20 |
| afiestas | but for some reason, it is on a friend's laptop and in my parent's (my parents laptop has been upgraded from previous versions) | 14:21 |
| shadeslayer | !find akonaditray saucy | 14:21 |
| ubottu | File akonaditray found in app-install-data, edubuntu-artwork, kde-l10n-ar, kde-l10n-bs, kde-l10n-ca, kde-l10n-ca-valencia, kde-l10n-cs, kde-l10n-da, kde-l10n-de, kde-l10n-el (and 39 others) http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=akonaditray&mode=&suite=saucy&arch=any | 14:21 |
| shadeslayer | !find /usr/bin/akonaditray saucy | 14:22 |
| ubottu | File /usr/bin/akonaditray found in kdepim-runtime, kdepim-runtime-dbg | 14:22 |
| shadeslayer | yep, we ship it in saucy ^^ | 14:22 |
| ScottK | afiestas: I use it on roughly a daily basis to restart akonadi stuff that's messed up. | 14:22 |
| afiestas | I compile everything, and I don't have it | 14:22 |
| afiestas | ScottK: maybe you need to restart it daily because you are using it | 14:23 |
| afiestas | it was *super* evil iirc, and I haven't seen any change on it | 14:23 |
| ScottK | Then what's the alternative? | 14:23 |
| ScottK | akonadiconsole is super dangerous. | 14:23 |
| afiestas | akonadictl restart, I guess | 14:23 |
| shadeslayer | ^^ which is what I use | 14:23 |
| afiestas | shadeslayer: so it is not in rarin? | 14:24 |
| shadeslayer | afiestas: it is | 14:24 |
| shadeslayer | !find /usr/bin/akonaditray raring | 14:24 |
| ubottu | File /usr/bin/akonaditray found in kdepim-runtime, kdepim-runtime-dbg | 14:24 |
| shadeslayer | I'm merely saying that it is also present in saucy | 14:24 |
| afiestas | oks, can we check backwards? | 14:24 |
| afiestas | I do remember that you guys removed it and I remember agreeing on that in an UDS | 14:25 |
| * shadeslayer checks precise and quantal | 14:25 | |
| afiestas | shadeslayer: thanks | 14:25 |
| ScottK | It's there. I've used it since we switched to akonadi based pim. | 14:27 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, so you want me to do the SRU or you? | 14:27 |
| shadeslayer | afiestas: ScottK I don't think precise has it, probably because 4.8.5 didn't have it? | 14:27 |
| shadeslayer | smartboyhw: I was reviewing the diffs | 14:28 |
| afiestas | shadeslayer: it did | 14:28 |
| shadeslayer | oh | 14:28 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, oh | 14:28 |
| shadeslayer | !find /usr/bin/akonaditray precise | 14:28 |
| ubottu | File /usr/bin/akonaditray found in kdepim-runtime, kdepim-runtime-dbg | 14:28 |
| shadeslayer | stupid bot, didn't give me that reply in a query | 14:28 |
| smartboyhw | !find /usr/bin/akonaditray lucid | 14:28 |
| smartboyhw | LOL | 14:28 |
| ScottK | shadeslayer: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=precise&arch=any&mode=exactfilename&searchon=contents&keywords=akonaditray | 14:28 |
| shadeslayer | right | 14:29 |
| shadeslayer | like I said, didn't give me a hit in the query | 14:29 |
| afiestas | wait, maybe we removed it from being autostarted ? | 14:29 |
| afiestas | having it packaged should be ok I guess, as long as it is not started automagically | 14:29 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, BTW next time, don't upload kscreen and libkscreen at the same time:P | 14:30 |
| afiestas | if somebody like ScottK wants to use it, that's ok | 14:30 |
| shadeslayer | smartboyhw: why not? | 14:30 |
| shadeslayer | afiestas: it's not started automatically here | 14:30 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, because all the kscreen are now in dep-wait | 14:30 |
| shadeslayer | smartboyhw: and it'll resolve automatically | 14:30 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, actually, how long does it take to automatically resolve? | 14:31 |
| ScottK | afiestas: Until akonadi is substantially more reliable, I think it's important to have a GUI way to restart it. | 14:31 |
| ScottK | If that's not it, I'm happy to have another. | 14:31 |
| shadeslayer | smartboyhw: soonish after libkscreen is built | 14:31 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, good:) | 14:31 |
| afiestas | ScottK: you can bring that to kdepim-devel I guess, I know you are really frustrated with kdepim, but restarting akonadi is not the solution anyway | 14:38 |
| ScottK | I don't know what is? | 14:38 |
| afiestas | reporting bugs, providing feedback (specially now that we have a maintainer with time) etc | 14:39 |
| afiestas | we went through a similar process with nepomuk, it turned out nice | 14:40 |
| afiestas | I trust same will happen now that Dan is a maintainer with time | 14:40 |
| ScottK | It has steadily gotten better. | 14:41 |
| ScottK | But in the mean time, I have to have working mail and when akonadi services get hung, it has to be restarted. | 14:42 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: btw do you have an idea why Nepomuk in Kubuntu uses unix odbc whereas Debian uses iodbc | 14:49 |
| shadeslayer | I know we have a patch, but do you know the history behind it? | 14:49 |
| ScottK | Yes. I don't recall the details, but it was slangasek that did it. | 14:49 |
| shadeslayer | okay, opinions on going back to iodbc since that's what upstream recommends? | 14:50 |
| * vHanda eaves | 14:50 | |
| vHanda | *waves | 14:50 |
| shadeslayer | hey hey :) | 14:50 |
| vHanda | I read the entire bug report, and I'm not sure what to do now. | 14:50 |
| shadeslayer | I see, and why was this change introduced? | 14:51 |
| vHanda | some clashes with mysql or some other db. And since iodbc hadn't been updated in a couple of years they decided to drop it | 14:52 |
| vHanda | overall, both work perfectly and they are supposed to | 14:52 |
| vHanda | but I do get a lot of bug reports regarding high memory usage of virtuoso which I can reproduce, but they seem to happen more often with unixodbc. Anway, I haven't tested this properly | 14:52 |
| shadeslayer | any demerits to using unixodbc instead of iodbc? | 14:52 |
| vHanda | so just let the situation be | 14:53 |
| shadeslayer | okay then | 14:53 |
| vHanda | I'll bug you people if I find a convincing reason to switch - the main reason was that virtuoso maintains iodbc so it theoretically should work better | 14:53 |
| vHanda | with virtuoso | 14:53 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: for reference if you want to read through it: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=639300 | 14:55 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 639300 in soprano "please build against unixodbc-dev instead of libiodbc2-dev" [Important,Open] | 14:55 |
| shadeslayer | smartboyhw: I'm waiting for kscreen to finish compiling on saucy then I'll upload to raring-proposed | 14:58 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, oh great:) | 14:59 |
| smartboyhw | Yes, digikam finally arrived | 14:59 |
| smartboyhw | I mean, to my computer:P | 15:00 |
| shadeslayer | famous last words | 15:00 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, LOL | 15:02 |
| smartboyhw | Hmm, I can't install one of the build-dep | 15:03 |
| yofel | did they add yet another thing? | 15:13 |
| smartboyhw | yofel, no | 15:14 |
| smartboyhw | It's my fault obviously:P | 15:14 |
| === ajcortes is now known as jjg1965 | ||
| shadeslayer | smartboyhw: libkscreen uploaded for raring-proposed | 15:17 |
| * shadeslayer forgot to subscribe ubuntu-sru to the bug -.- | 15:17 | |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, whoa~! | 15:17 |
| shadeslayer | wait | 15:17 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, kscreen is just waiting to migrate:P | 15:17 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, don't forget: kscreen and libkscreen has a MRE | 15:17 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: is subscribtion still necessary even though we have an MRE now? | 15:17 |
| * shadeslayer subscribes anyway | 15:23 | |
| ScottK | Better to do so. | 15:24 |
| shadeslayer | right, done already, waiting for you in the queue :) | 15:24 |
| ScottK | shadeslayer: Before I accept this one, can we get 1.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu13.04.1 verified? | 15:30 |
| shadeslayer | 1.0 is still in -proposed :S | 15:35 |
| ScottK | Yes. No one verified it. | 15:36 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: okay, good thing VBox has a feature to add number of monitors, testing using that | 15:37 |
| smartboyhw | Well, I will close the Doodle poll tomorrow night probably | 15:56 |
| smartboyhw | For now, good night guys. Tomorrow you will see digikam 3.3.0 (final) packaged from me.... | 15:57 |
| smartboyhw | And also, fiddling with opencolorio:P | 15:57 |
| smartboyhw | (For calligra 2.7.1) | 15:57 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: kscreen works, please move to updates | 15:59 |
| debfx | hm those time slots aren't very europe-friendly | 15:59 |
| ScottK | shadeslayer: Please say so in the bug. Bug #1195806 | 16:01 |
| ubottu | bug 1195806 in libkscreen (Ubuntu Raring) "libkscreen and kscreen SRU to raring" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1195806 | 16:01 |
| smartboyhw | debfx, but I need to make it Asian-friendly... | 16:01 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: already done | 16:01 |
| smartboyhw | And it's Europe friendly already...... | 16:01 |
| smartboyhw | It's afternoon for you guys | 16:01 |
| shadeslayer | smartboyhw: it's not asian friendly tbh :P | 16:01 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, yes | 16:01 |
| smartboyhw | But, I need to fit the Europeans:P | 16:01 |
| shadeslayer | for me it's late in the evening | 16:02 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, me too you don't think | 16:02 |
| shadeslayer | yeah ;) | 16:02 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, when is 13:00 UTC for you? | 16:02 |
| debfx | afternoon? the first slot is 9-10 am | 16:02 |
| shadeslayer | 18:30 | 16:02 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, for me it's 21:30 | 16:02 |
| shadeslayer | ^_^ | 16:02 |
| smartboyhw | Oops, 21:00 | 16:02 |
| smartboyhw | debfx, well it's sort of European-friendly already.... | 16:02 |
| smartboyhw | It's morning | 16:03 |
| smartboyhw | I can't even make it after the last time slot | 16:03 |
| shadeslayer | don't disturb debfx's sleep :P | 16:03 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, :P | 16:03 |
| ScottK | shadeslayer: Where's kscreen? | 16:03 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: I haven't uploaded that yet, I went for dinner after uploading kscreen | 16:03 |
| debfx | now I'm confused. looks like doodle ignored my time zone setting | 16:03 |
| yofel | debfx: 9am? first slot is 1PM | 16:03 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, you mean libkscreen... | 16:03 |
| yofel | UTC | 16:03 |
| smartboyhw | debfx, LOL | 16:03 |
| ScottK | OK. | 16:03 |
| shadeslayer | what smartboyhw said | 16:03 |
| shadeslayer | uploading kscreen now | 16:04 |
| ScottK | And marking up the bug for the last one? | 16:04 |
| debfx | yeah it asked me for my time zone and then ignored what I selected :/ | 16:04 |
| yofel | meh | 16:04 |
| smartboyhw | debfx, LOL | 16:04 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: last one? | 16:04 |
| smartboyhw | Anyways, is it European-friendly now? ;) | 16:04 |
| ScottK | Bug #1195806 | 16:04 |
| ubottu | bug 1195806 in libkscreen (Ubuntu Raring) "libkscreen and kscreen SRU to raring" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1195806 | 16:04 |
| debfx | yes indeed :) | 16:04 |
| ScottK | You didn't say you tested it and mark it verification done. | 16:05 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: commented, fixed the tag | 16:05 |
| ScottK | OK | 16:05 |
| smartboyhw | It might NOT be American-friendly though.... Sigh | 16:05 |
| yofel | smartboyhw: still working on digikam or did your pc overheat already? ^^ | 16:05 |
| shadeslayer | smartboyhw: can't be helped | 16:06 |
| smartboyhw | yofel, it's sleep time. Digikam work done actually | 16:06 |
| smartboyhw | Maybe you want me to upload? | 16:06 |
| smartboyhw | to PPA ofc | 16:06 |
| yofel | just commit to bzr and I'll look at it | 16:06 |
| smartboyhw | yofel, sure | 16:06 |
| smartboyhw | Thank you debfx | 16:07 |
| smartboyhw | Eh, now the most popular selection is Monday.... | 16:07 |
| smartboyhw | uh oh | 16:07 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: kscreen up as well | 16:13 |
| smartboyhw | yofel, done. | 16:13 |
| smartboyhw | Good night | 16:13 |
| shadeslayer | smartboyhw: ^^ | 16:13 |
| ScottK | OK. | 16:14 |
| === ajcortes is now known as jjg1965 | ||
| ScottK | afiestas: Why did you remove class AbstractBackend from src/configmonitor.h in libkscreen 1.0.1? Is that a binary compatible change? | 16:15 |
| afiestas | ScottK: we don't keep binary comnpatibility | 16:15 |
| ScottK | BTW, 1.0 is released to updates. | 16:15 |
| afiestas | and we haven't removed it I think :s | 16:16 |
| afiestas | at least not in prupose :/ | 16:16 |
| ScottK | It is in other files, but that being remove from src/configmonitor.h is in the diff. | 16:16 |
| afiestas | the include? | 16:16 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: I think it's a forward include | 16:16 |
| shadeslayer | afiestas: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/146842526/libkscreen_1.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu13.04.1_1.0.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu13.04.1.diff.gz | 16:17 |
| ScottK | afiestas: see the end of http://launchpadlibrarian.net/146842526/libkscreen_1.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu13.04.1_1.0.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu13.04.1.diff.gz | 16:17 |
| shadeslayer | last line | 16:17 |
| ScottK | Yeah. | 16:17 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: yeah, from what I understand it's a forward include and can be dropped | 16:17 |
| ScottK | afiestas: It's fine not to keep binary compatibility, but you need to bump the so name when you don't. | 16:17 |
| afiestas | we did I think | 16:22 |
| afiestas | 1.0.1, no? | 16:22 |
| afiestas | or 1.1 is required if we break it? | 16:22 |
| yofel | afiestas: on ABI breakage you would have to bump the SOVERSION, for you that's libkscreen_VERSION_MAJOR | 16:56 |
| yofel | but we're fine here as fas Howard was concerned | 16:56 |
| yofel | *as far as | 16:57 |
| afiestas | we bump the minor, isn;t that enough? | 16:58 |
| afiestas | I don't want to end up with soversion 25 | 16:58 |
| afiestas | and call it libkscreen 2.0 | 16:58 |
| yofel | no, it wouldn't be enough for a BIC change | 16:59 |
| yofel | and libkscreen is at 22... | 17:00 |
| yofel | er | 17:00 |
| yofel | libkdcraw | 17:00 |
| yofel | but ok, bad example | 17:00 |
| yofel | afiestas: nothing prevents you from using longer SOVERSION's though... libattica has '0.4' | 17:01 |
| afiestas | so, from 1.0.1 to 1..0.1 iok? | 17:05 |
| yofel | you're mixing VERSION and SOVERSION, you can set VERSION to whatever you want, SOVERSION only needs to change if you remove symbols from the library | 17:07 |
| yofel | current SOVERSION is '1' | 17:07 |
| === dantti_laptop|2 is now known as dantti_laptop | ||
| afiestas | oh I thought we had it unified | 17:13 |
| yofel | it is partly, first part of the VERSION is the SOVERSION, you if you change the libkscreen version to 2.0.0 you change the SOVERSION | 17:14 |
| yofel | not sure if that coupling make sense, but it's ok as long as the ABI isn't broken in between | 17:15 |
| shadeslayer | hm, is there a way we can express this in a install file : "Install everything under /usr except for these 2 files" | 17:16 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: 'rm' in rules | 17:19 |
| shadeslayer | nah, that's fairly less than ideal | 17:20 |
| yofel | well, then you can just add all files except for the 2 you want to install to the install file | 17:21 |
| yofel | that's the debian way | 17:21 |
| * yofel would prefer that anyway | 17:21 | |
| === rdieter_ is now known as rdieter | ||
| ScottK | libkscreen/kscreen accepted for raring | 17:57 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: thx | 18:00 |
| yofel | do we have a todo list for all those MRE's we got? | 18:00 |
| yofel | or do we actually have the full list documented somewhere? | 18:01 |
| ScottK | AFAIK, no TODO. The full list is on the MRE wiki page. | 18:01 |
| yofel | ok, thanks | 18:01 |
| === sayakb_ is now known as sayakb | ||
| ScottK | afiestas and shadeslayer: I did some investigation and I can restart failed akonadi services from within kmail --> settings --> configure kmail, so no objection to dumping akonaditray. | 19:03 |
| soee | someone can look at some crash report ? | 20:27 |
| soee | http://pastebin.com/azpWgDuH | 20:27 |
| valorie | interesting, I just ran update and upgrade, and kscreen was held back | 23:53 |
| Riddell | valorie: hmm Quintasan said that I think | 23:55 |
| Riddell | I'm pretty sure I checked and the replaces/breaks was correct | 23:55 |
| valorie | launchpad might just be slow or something | 23:58 |
| valorie | dang it, no ahoneybun | 23:58 |
| valorie | that article gave highest marks to bodhi linux for their documentation, so I looked it up: http://www.bodhilinux.com/mob_documentation.php | 23:59 |
| valorie | it is very well organized and cute | 23:59 |
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