[07:39] <jibel> good morning
[08:00] <DanChapman> Good Morning all :-)
[09:49] <slickymaster> good morning all
[14:16] <slickymaster> elfy: ping. You there?
[14:46] <smartboyhw> Hey balloons
[14:47] <balloons> smartboyhw, howdy
[15:01] <balloons> smartboyhw, did you plan on using ubuntu on air for this saturday's hackfest?
[15:01] <smartboyhw> balloons, actually, can you do the Hangout?
[15:02] <smartboyhw> My webcam broke
[15:02] <smartboyhw> And my Mum doesn't allow me to buy one, blah
[15:03] <balloons> smartboyhw, I think you shift is like 6 am for me or something.. on a saturday? no thanks ;-)
[15:04] <balloons> but seriously, you don't HAVE to have a hangout.. i usually like doing impromptu hangsout when it makes sense if someone needs extra visual help
[15:04] <smartboyhw> balloons, OK...
[15:04] <smartboyhw> I will just cancel it
[15:04] <smartboyhw> balloons, it would be great if Noskcaj can have it on Ubuntu on Air
[15:04] <balloons> well we should chat with jackson about it
[15:04] <smartboyhw> balloons, you should chat with him when he comes online
[15:04] <balloons> I think he might be planning on ubuntu on air.. but I asked because jose isn't sure if it's free or not
[15:05] <smartboyhw> balloons, :O that time is not free?
[15:05] <balloons> not sure exactly, but it seems there might be a conflict
[15:06] <balloons> anyways, I'll chat with jackson and pass along the info
[15:11] <smartboyhw> balloons, I think one of the problem now is that we have just too many testcases, and if we still want to add more we can't test them all (even with the team of testers)
[15:11] <smartboyhw> I think I have to Noskcaj anyway tmr
[15:12] <smartboyhw> *talk to
[15:12] <elfy> balloons: when you've got 5 minutes can you ping me - thanks
[15:12] <balloons> smartboyhw, ok
[15:12] <elfy> slickymaster: kind of
[15:12] <smartboyhw> balloons, I think with the current number of unwritten testcases (202) it would be a huge number
[15:13] <slickymaster> elfy: it's just a quick question. I've noticed that you marked the xfce4 settings manager test as fix released
[15:14] <elfy> yep - we're going to leave it as is for the time being
[15:14] <slickymaster> elfy: but I was under the impression that that one was a case of work in progress
[15:14] <balloons> smartboyhw, there is/will be a lot but everyone doesn't have to test every testcase.. Regardless, it's a good point. I think the changes made to the tracker should help in that regard, along with the ideas about pinpointing problem areas. In other words, you can test things you know haven't yet been tested or things that are causing issues
[15:15] <slickymaster> elfy: I see. Anyway, I'll keep working on it an d by the time I'll have a body of work worth to show, I'll ping on that
[15:15] <smartboyhw> balloons, here's what I'm suggesting
[15:15] <smartboyhw> For every NEW upstream version of the package, we should ask to test them
[15:15] <elfy> slickymaster: that was the case - but really don't do anymore than you have already
[15:16] <slickymaster> elfy: ?!
[15:16] <elfy> we're not sure if we want tests seperate from the settings manager at this point
[15:16] <elfy> if you've done some more ok - thanks - but don't do anymore on it :)
[15:16] <slickymaster> elfy: you scared me there for a few seconds :)
[15:16] <slickymaster> elfy, can I be abusive and pop you another question?
[15:17] <elfy> slickymaster: but don't push it for merge yet - I'll talk to you about it at some point
[15:17] <elfy> slickymaster: well I'd rather you weren't abusive :p
[15:17] <slickymaster> elfy, got it
[15:17] <slickymaster> elfy, :)
[15:17] <balloons> smartboyhw, we started down that route, but there are many upstream changes.. it's probably not the best idea.. certainly every major upstream version, but that requires you or I to brand it as such
[15:18] <elfy> slickymaster: what's the other question
[15:18] <smartboyhw> balloons, hmm....
[15:18] <slickymaster> elfy, I'm running some of the Xubuntu tests, in the particular case, the Mousepad one. Question is do I open a bug when I noticed something incorrect in the body of the testcase?
[15:20] <elfy> someone did slickymaster :)
[15:21] <slickymaster> elfy: good, so I can take as granted that that is the approach to take, whenever needed, right?
[15:24] <elfy> slickymaster: I lied - jjfrv - just did some changes and then pushed it for merge proposal
[15:25] <slickymaster> elfy: ok, so, do you think I should fil it against the original bug, the one at ubuntu-manaul tests?
[15:26] <elfy> slickymaster: mousepad?
[15:27] <slickymaster> elfy: yes, step 8 - "Click case sensitive box and click Replace All" there's no Replace All button, just "Replace"
[15:28] <elfy> no - leave it - or look at the merge proposal and see if it's covered, if it's not comment on that instead https://code.launchpad.net/~jjfrv8-gmail/ubuntu-manual-tests/Xfce4Terminal-revised/+merge/178478
[15:29] <slickymaster> elfy, okie dokie. I won't "abuse" any further :)
[15:29] <elfy> :)
[15:34] <slickymaster> elfy, Jack already covered it
[15:34] <elfy> slickymaster: ok
[19:11] <balloons> Letozaf_, buonasera
[19:11] <Letozaf_> balloons, buonasera
[19:14] <balloons> so I was looking at your tests to merge for rss reader
[19:14] <Letozaf_> balloons, how are they ? do they look good ?
[19:15] <Letozaf_> balloons, there are a couple of sleep around, couldn't get rid of them :(
[19:15] <balloons> Letozaf_, I'm getting some failures
[19:15] <balloons> on the whole they looked good
[19:15] <Letozaf_> balloons, :'(
[19:15] <Letozaf_> balloons, for the failures
[19:16] <balloons> blame my pc :-)
[19:16] <balloons> lol
[19:16] <Letozaf_> balloons, they work on my box, with autopilot run  -v
[19:16] <Letozaf_> balloons, I think it's all timing problems
[19:16] <Letozaf_> balloons, lol
[19:17] <balloons> if you have sleeps.. you'll have timing issues
[19:17] <balloons> so let's go through and get rid of them eh :-)
[19:17] <Letozaf_> balloons, sure, thanks
[19:18] <Letozaf_> balloons, the one at line 148, is the hardest one to get rid of
[19:18] <Letozaf_> balloons, where do you get failures ?
[19:22] <Letozaf_> balloons, argh! I ran the test again and I get no failure :?
[19:22] <balloons> Letozaf_, no worries no worries
[19:22] <balloons> Letozaf_, try clearing everything out before you run it
[19:22] <balloons> rm -rf ~/.local/share/Qt\ Project/QtQmlViewer/QML/OfflineStorage/Databases/
[19:23] <balloons> that way you know your not depending on any local config
[19:23] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok let me try
[19:25] <Letozaf_> balloons, lol autopilot crashed :) didn't let rssreader download the default feeds
[19:25] <balloons> yea I got that one too..
[19:25] <balloons> re-running fixed it. I think we might need to report it as a bug in ap, but we'll see
[19:26] <Letozaf_> balloons, so let me re-run it :) do you run it with -v  or not (autopilot run -v) ?
[19:27] <balloons> running with -vv isn't a bad idea :-)
[19:28] <balloons> hmmm it's failing to read the header
[19:28] <balloons> that's silly
[19:33] <Letozaf_> balloons, now I get a failure, but not the same one you got, I get an error on clicking the topic toolbar button
[19:33] <balloons> my box does NOT like the header.title asserts at all
[19:34] <Letozaf_> balloons, :( why ? I get no complain here, what could the difference be ?
[19:34] <Letozaf_> balloons, I mean between my box and yours
[19:34] <Letozaf_> balloons, and why the program behaves differently
[19:34] <Letozaf_> balloons, that's curious
[19:34] <balloons> timing
[19:35] <balloons> let me check and see if that fixes it
[19:36] <balloons> k running
[19:37] <Letozaf_> balloons, yes I also think so because the same test on time fails and the next works, without any change, how do we fix this ?
[19:37] <Letozaf_> I mean one time fails not on time
[19:39] <balloons> Letozaf_, your using eventually
[19:39] <balloons> i caught it!
[19:39] <balloons> you're using eventually
[19:39] <balloons> knome would be proud
[19:40] <Letozaf_> balloons, can't I ?
[19:40] <balloons> Letozaf_, sorry I got sidetracked correcting myself. Heh. So yes, avoiding sleep means using eventually. and you are. but let me check
[19:40] <balloons> it might not be polling like we think it should
[19:41] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok
[19:45] <balloons> it still hates me
[19:46] <Letozaf_> balloons, :(
[19:46] <Letozaf_> balloons, it hates me one time and the other no! :)
[19:47] <balloons> Letozaf_, lol.. well one thing is it looks like upstream renamed one of the tabs
[19:47] <balloons> so I'll change that
[19:48] <Letozaf_> balloons, cool :-)
[19:50] <balloons> it really doesn't like reading the main window
[19:51] <balloons> I would suggest doing things a different way than the header
[19:51] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok
[19:51] <balloons> let's look at the page itself
[19:52] <balloons> so all those qml files define pages
[19:52] <balloons> for example, Page {
[19:52] <balloons>     id: editPage
[19:53] <balloons> that's the edit Feed page. Let's add an objectName there for that page, then issue a select for Page, objectName=editfeedpage
[19:54] <Letozaf_> balloons, the one with title "Feeds" right ?
[19:55] <Letozaf_> balloons, or the appendfeedpage ?
[19:57] <balloons> EditFeed.qml
[19:57] <Letozaf_> balloons, oh thanks
[19:57] <balloons> well.. you need to do it for all the pages you want to check :-)
[19:59] <Letozaf_> balloons, do we have the same stuff ? I do not have the EditFeed.qml ... :)
[20:00] <Letozaf_> balloons, maybe you have a "newer" version of rssreader app
[20:01] <balloons> looks in the feeds folder
[20:01] <balloons> Letozaf_, bzr merge lp:ubuntu-rssreader-app
[20:01] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok
[20:02] <Letozaf_> balloons, now I've got it :p
[20:02] <Letozaf_> balloons, maybe here is the answer to why it worked on my box
[20:02] <Letozaf_> balloons, and on yours not :p
[20:02] <balloons> Letozaf_, :-) yea, it's important to stay updated
[20:03] <balloons> however that's why we should merge quickly so changes don't break things
[20:03] <Letozaf_> balloons, must remember this :p
[20:03] <balloons> some of these teams are constantly landing changes, heh
[20:06] <balloons> Letozaf_, so does that all make sense? I'll just wait for your update if so
[20:06] <balloons> Noskcaj, I need to chat with you quickly about the hackfest
[20:07] <Noskcaj> balloons, sure
[20:07] <Letozaf_> balloons, yes I will fix and then "come back"
[20:08] <balloons> Noskcaj, so a couple thing.. howard can't do a hangout now, due to his webcam not working
[20:08] <Noskcaj> balloons, he emailed me about that
[20:08] <balloons> in addition, are you planning on doing the hangouts onair?
[20:09] <Noskcaj> If we could, i'd not put much though into tht
[20:09] <balloons> Letozaf_, also, I don't think you need your sleep
[20:09] <Letozaf_> balloons, If I delete it the test fails, if  I leave it it works
[20:09] <balloons> Noskcaj, what's your plan for the hangouts? you going to screen share you coding?
[20:10] <balloons> Letozaf_, ohh I see.. that's an easy fix
[20:10] <Letozaf_> balloons, at least on my box, but now I must try the test with the last merges
[20:10] <balloons> Letozaf_, I'll explain when everything else is done
[20:10] <Noskcaj> balloons, Provided no one in my house uses the phone or touches another computer, i might just have enough bandwidth for that. therwise i'll do audio only
[20:10] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok fine
[20:10] <balloons> good.. everything should work :-)
[20:11] <balloons> Noskcaj, lol.. ahh so if it's audio only, probably should stay off ubuntu on air
[20:12] <Noskcaj> I think i'll be able to do video. Plus there should be a few others there
[20:12] <balloons> did you plan to hack at the same time in a pad, or just hack on seperate things yourself and do review work etc?
[20:13] <Noskcaj> probably just hack by yourself
[20:20] <balloons> Noskcaj, alrighty. I think that's all the questions I had :-) I'll probably ping people again in a few days to remind them
[20:21] <Noskcaj> ok, ty.
[20:22] <Letozaf_> balloons, can I show you a "bug" ?
[20:23] <Letozaf_> balloons, it should be a bug :)
[20:24] <balloons> Letozaf_, what is it?
[20:25] <Letozaf_> balloons, launch rssreader app with autopilot launch, select add feed form the toolbar and click to add a feed
[20:25] <Letozaf_> balloons, you get the shorts title under the append feed one
[20:25] <Letozaf_> balloons, two titles on over the othe
[20:25] <Letozaf_> balloons, sorry other
[20:26] <balloons> Letozaf_, ohh yes I know what you mean.. I was getting that
[20:26] <balloons> that's another potential autopilot bug :-)
[20:26] <Letozaf_> balloons, should I report a bug or what ?
[20:26] <balloons> yea.. I think the crash and that both deserve reports
[20:27] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok so I will report the bugs
[20:27] <balloons> Letozaf_, nothing is ever easy is it :-) It's good to find bugs
[20:27] <Letozaf_> balloons, yes, well it's better we find them than the users, right ?
[20:27] <balloons> yep
[20:27] <balloons> that is the point isn't it? :-)
[20:28] <Letozaf_> balloons, sure :)
[20:39] <Letozaf_> balloons, bug number 1208605 if you want to confirm it :)
[20:39] <Letozaf_> bug #1208605
[20:41] <Letozaf_> balloons, for the other bug I did not get another crash, as soon as it crashes again I will report the bug, ok ?
[20:42] <balloons> yes I think that's fine