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MooDoomorning all05:58
MartijnVdS\o MooDoo07:49
MooDoohowdy MartijnVdS07:50
czajkowskiAlanBell: ello how's it going ?08:23
MooDoomorning czajkowski AlanBell :D08:25
DJonesMorning all08:28
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knightwisemorning everyone08:32
MooDooczajkowski: are you still enjying your new job?09:00
czajkowskiyup loving it09:02
MooDooczajkowski: awesome :D09:08
JamesTaitGood morning all, happy Traffic Light Day! :-D09:10
davmor2Morning all10:01
MooDoomorning davmor210:03
davmor2'ow do MooDoo10:03
bigcalmGood morning peeps :)10:04
MooDoomorning big10:12
MooDoomorning bigcalm10:12
bigcalmOh, life10:12
bigcalmHi MooDoo10:12
MooDoohow are you bigcalm10:16
davmor2bigcalm: 'ow do lad10:20
bigcalmUg, sorry. Busy :)10:20
bigcalmI'm fighting fires on a Monday morning. Business as usual10:21
bigcalmHow are you both?10:21
davmor2bigcalm: I'm a lot happier now the mil is out of hospital, means I got a workday again and an evening woohoo!  But more important is the fact that she is a lot more comfortable which mean wifey isn't on edge any more and both of them are sleeping, which is fantastic :)10:23
MooDoobigcalm: monday morning = firefighting day, you should add that to your list JamesTait ;)10:36
bigcalmdavmor2: that is good news indeed10:40
davmor2MooDoo: JamesTait is too busy to be fire fighting and if he isn't I might get some time to test some stuff then he'll be too busy again :)10:43
JamesTaitMooDoo, every day is firefighting day, one way or another.  "Dad, I installed this minetest mod but it's not working." as soon as I stepped out of the shower yesterday - I hadn't even got dressed!10:50
JamesTaitdavmor2, demos are out of the way now, so I think staging is a fair target.  I always welcome bug reports, especially if they come with patches. ;)10:51
davmor2JamesTait: do eye patches count?10:52
MooDoodavmor2: oh it's not pirate day?10:52
JamesTaitdavmor2, only if it's one for each eye so I don't have to look at what you broke. ;)10:52
davmor2JamesTait: hahaha10:52
davmor2JamesTait: won't be till I know what else is happening with today to be honest but I can look after that :)10:53
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knightwisehey guys11:50
knightwiseI just plopped in a usb drive in my pc but its not showing up in /media11:50
knightwiseany idea where i can find out where it went ?11:50
MooDoocan't you try mounting /dev/sdb1 assuming that's what it is?11:51
MartijnVdSknightwise: /var/log/kern.log11:52
MartijnVdSknightwise: does it show up there?11:52
DJonesDoes anything show up in dmesg when you plug it in11:53
davmor2knightwise: gnome mount manager deals with it as I understand it so it would be under ~/.gvfs ....... I think12:53
knightwiseholdon , i'll check12:56
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knightwise/var/log/kern.log appears to be empty12:57
knightwisei only see /dev/sdb12:57
knightwiseno sdb112:58
knightwisedavmor2: i use Xfce (and only have remote ssh access to the machine i'm afraid)12:58
davmor2knightwise: even so I think xubuntu is using gvfs in thunar I could be wrong though12:59
knightwisei think its under sdf12:59
knightwisedavmor2: but i only have command line access unfortunately13:00
knightwiseyep , i think its under sdf113:00
knightwiseand its a fat3213:01
davmor2knightwise: sounds about right13:04
knightwisemounted it13:11
knightwiseand its copying everything over right now13:11
dwatkinsfreenx for teh win13:23
dwatkinsI so rarely touch my little server at home, its keyboard is covered in a layer of dust; then I need to use the GUI, I reconnec to the NX session I run on it.13:24
MooDoodwatkins: mins is in the garage rafters, need the step ladder out if i want to work on it :D13:25
dwatkinsI say server, it's really a netbook.13:27
MooDoolol mine is a dell pc :D13:28
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Oli``Rather odd question but does anybody have a couple of spare RaspberryPis? I might (pending a publisher's decision) be writing a book on networking them and could do with some more for testing things. I would only be looking to hang onto them for a month or so and if I broke anything I'd be happy to replace it, I'm just trying to avoid splashing out ~£50-70 on two or three boards I won't need for a long time. I'm an Ubuntu Member and moderator on Ask15:19
Oli``Ubuntu so I'm fairly easy to track down if you're worried I'd run off with them. PM me if you think you can help. Thanks.15:19
Oli``Oh and it's quite short notice. I'd be starting next week if I'm starting.15:20
ormiretIs networking Pis any different to networking other Linux machines?15:36
Oli``ormiret: No, not really but I think the publisher wants a book with Raspberry Pi in the title for teh moneies15:36
Oli``There are some things you just can't do (ARM incompatible) and some things that are slightly cooler with a low-power platform (building your own router, etc)... But for the mostpart it's all the same.15:38
dwatkinsI imagine the Pi is great for cheaply proving cluster-based applications work.15:43
mgdmit's not exactly rapid, though15:43
ali1234i'll buy you the raspberry pis for 30% of the book's royalties15:44
dwatkinsI had some issues with wifi on mine, I don't know what kind of network hardware the Pi has because it doesn't show up as a PCI device.15:44
ali1234the only way you'd know is by reading the TRM15:46
ali1234but apparently that is "too hard to understand" so they will not be releasing it15:47
dwatkinsbah, I was hoping it was just hidden in the dmesg, lsusb etc. or something15:47
dwatkinsI never had much luck with working out whether network interfaces were successfully detected, mind15:47
ali1234there will be something in dmesg15:47
dwatkinsat least with most other devices, you can head or cat them to see15:48
ali1234but the bottom line is it has "raspberry pi ethernet" effectively15:48
ali1234because it is a system on chip, it does not use any standard hardware at all15:48
dwatkinsah yes: [    3.206897] smsc95xx 1-1.1:1.0: eth0: register 'smsc95xx' at usb-bcm2708_usb-1.1, smsc95xx USB 2.0 Ethernet, b8:27:eb:a4:0f:cf15:48
ali1234so it's usb15:48
ali1234and the pi is well known for having duff usb15:48
dwatkinsindeed, my network connection used to drop on the first Pi that I got, as there were incorrect resistors on the USB interface15:49
dwatkinsit would be fine for a day or so, then drop when I started doing anything CPU-intensive15:49
MartijnVdSdon't they have special "Pi" chargers that give off 5.5V or something15:49
MartijnVdSso the USB drops don't happen15:49
ali1234and that would be a bad idea anyway since the pi has no on board regulator15:50
dwatkinsMartijnVdS: they do reccomend you provide exactly 5 Volts, iirc, and have plenty of available current.15:50
ali1234also voltage doesn't work like that15:50
Oli``When I rule the world, it will15:50
ali1234what you need is a stable (ie regulated) power supply15:50
dwatkinsyou can check between T1 and T2 on the board to see it's got the right voltage actually reaching the important parts of the board, I think.15:50
MartijnVdSali1234: oh so that's why if you supply 5V, it measures as 4.something!15:50
ali1234that produces 5v no matter what load (within the range the pi can use)15:50
ali1234MartijnVdS: if the power supply suffers voltage drop under load, it means it's a crap power supply15:51
MartijnVdSali1234: https://www.modmypi.com/raspberry-pi-accessories/5v-2A-modmypi-raspberry-pi-power-supply15:51
ali1234bumping up the output voltage isn't the right way to fix that because now the power supply is over volting when under low load15:51
MartijnVdSali1234: read that page, and the "Why"15:52
MartijnVdS"USB specification allows for up to 5.25V for all 5V USB electronics"15:52
MartijnVdSso they supply 5.25V15:52
ali1234yeah i read that page and all i read was "wah wah we don't know anything abut electrnics, but this power supply goes up to 5.25 so it must be 0.25 better!"15:52
ali1234the USB specification has absolutely nothing to do with te raspberry pi power supply, since it isn't a USB client device15:53
MartijnVdSali1234: except that its 5V lines are routed straight through to the "outgoing" USB ports15:54
ali1234this doesn't mean that the pi itself can cope with 5.25v15:55
MartijnVdSali1234: and USB devices don't like <5V while they don't mind a few mV over15:55
ali1234the spec actually says +-0.25v15:55
dwatkins0.25 volts is more than a few millivolts ;)15:55
MartijnVdSali1234: this one works though15:55
Oli``Why can't we just be friends?15:56
Oli``#ubuntu-uk in internet argument shocker15:56
MartijnVdSali1234: I have one of these (with a EU adapter), and it keeps my Pi stable, while my other "2A" charger doesn't15:56
MartijnVdSali1234: I really don't care *how* it works, just *that* it works :)15:57
dwatkinsMartijnVdS: does your adapter convert 230 Volts to 220 Volts? ;)15:57
MartijnVdSdwatkins: Input: 100-240V @ 50 - 60Hz15:57
dwatkinsI was only kidding.15:58
MartijnVdSdwatkins: also, UK = 230V, NL = 230V (was 220V)15:58
dwatkinsah ok, my bad15:59
dwatkinswikipedia needs updating, then15:59
MartijnVdShttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Committee_for_Electrotechnical_Standardization  :)16:00
dwatkinsoops, no it doesn't16:00
dwatkinsI was looking at "Carribean Netherlands"16:00
dwatkinshow dare you have colonies!16:00
MartijnVdSdwatkins: pot, kettle :P16:00
* dwatkins walks away muttering about confusingly named countries16:00
ormiretMost of Europe is "standardised" on 230V now - by defining the standard to include what everyone was using already.16:00
MartijnVdSdwatkins: they're independent countries in the same kingdom16:00
MartijnVdSdwatkins: a bit like Wales, but further away16:00
MartijnVdSand less wet16:00
dwatkinsMartijnVdS: you need this guy to make a video about your kingdom... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNu8XDBSn1016:01
MartijnVdSdwatkins: he did16:01
dwatkinsaha, I'd best watch it, then16:01
MartijnVdS♥ CGPGrey16:03
dwatkinsI should probably go home, I've been here over 11 hours.16:05
dwatkinsno, 9 hours, I must be tired16:05
Lcawtedwatkins: The Netherlands has overseas colonies?16:06
MartijnVdSWe call them something different now16:08
MartijnVdSbecause "colonies" sounds to 17th century16:08
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bigcalmmgdm: ping17:14
MartijnVdSMyrtti: parp? http://ftw.popey.com/ ?17:20
bigcalmHowdy Myrtti17:20
MartijnVdSalso, hi :)17:20
MyrttiMartijnVdS: nope, just veryveryvery tired17:21
Myrttibigcalm: hiya17:21
mgdmbigcalm: pong17:51
bigcalmmgdm: mysql connections going away while using a framework. Had experience of that?18:53
mgdmbigcalm: not really, no19:07
mgdmbigcalm: when you say 'using a framework', does it not happen otherwise/19:07
directhexbigcalm, yes19:07
directhexbigcalm, auto reconnect!19:07
bigcalmmgdm: I stated using a framework as I'm surprised that it would happen at all19:08
bigcalmdirecthex: huh?19:08
bigcalmOh, reconnect19:08
bigcalmI read that as correct19:08
directhexbigcalm, set the mysql driver to automatically reconnect on dropped connections. some servers have dumb short timeouts19:08
bigcalmAnd got very confused19:08
bigcalmThe fact that the connection is going away at all is a worry19:09
mgdmdirecthex: thing is, as this is PHP, the connections probably last ~50ms or so19:09
mgdmdirecthex: at the most19:09
mgdmit won't have a connection pool19:09
mgdmbigcalm: anything in the MySQL error log?19:09
bigcalmmgdm: haven't looked there yet. I should do so19:10
bigcalmI'm seeing oddness in the Apache access log19:10
bigcalmWhen I see the connection going away error, it coincides with an entry in the access log that is 5 mins late compared to all of the other entries around it19:11
bigcalmNothing in mysql.log or .err19:11
bigcalmI wonder if it's linked to the errors: PHP Warning:  include(): Unable to allocate memory for pool19:13
* bigcalm pokes APC19:13
mgdmjust restart it :)19:15
bigcalmBoss man has symlinked /etc/php5/cli/php.ini to ../apache2/php.ini19:15
neuroKICK IT IN THE BUTT!¬19:15
bigcalmWhat what?19:16
mgdmbigcalm: hah19:17
* neuro sticks Office Space on, because reasons.19:18
bigcalmPC Load Letter? What does that even mean?19:18
neuroNaga ... Naga ... Not gonna work here anymore!19:19
bigcalmBy the looks of it, default APC settings should be okay19:28
bigcalmJust got a tweet from Bill Lumbergh19:31
ali1234it's funny watching canonical people whine on twitter19:43
bigcalmIf I were to remap some f keys to be multi-media ones, which would people suggest I use?19:46
bigcalmA ctrl, shift or alt combo could be used I guess19:46
ali1234you mean like play/pause music?19:46
MartijnVdSF5 for volume up. Your web browsing will never be the same19:47
ali1234F6-F10 seem to be the least used by other things19:47
bigcalmThough volume control is my main requirement19:47
bigcalmMartijnVdS: :D19:47
MartijnVdSbyobu used f919:47
bigcalmf7 is often use for spell checking19:47
ali1234although i have to question why you think you even need this19:47
bigcalmSQLyog uses f9 a lot19:47
bigcalmBecause I like having volume control at my finger tips rather than using a GUI19:48
ali1234multimedia keys don't work in most of the cases where the volume control icon isn't available19:48
ali1234for example many fullscreen games block them19:48
bigcalmNote to self: don't expect ask questions while ali1234 is in the channel19:48
ali1234i already answered your question19:49
ali1234seems you don't want to grant me the same courtesy19:49
bigcalmAnd thank you for the response, it is the question afterwards that is irritating19:49
mgdmI used to have an MS keyboard, that had function keys for things like calculator etc on the F-keys, and to get actual F5 you had to hold this 'F-lock' button19:50
mgdmwhich meant that by default, alt-f4 used to open new windows19:50
bigcalmHehe, seen that as well19:50
ali1234lenovo laptops are still like that to this day19:51
mgdmare they? Neither of mine are19:51
ali1234in windows at least, the F keys do all the special lenovo functions like opening lenovo control centre and so on19:51
ali1234well, some lenovo laptops lets say19:51
ali1234F4 is like volume up or brightness up or something, to get alt-F4 you have to press alt-fn-F419:52
mgdmthe only thing like that my Thinkpads have is a 'ThinkCentre' button. There are meedja keys on the F-buttons too but you need to hold Fn to make them work19:52
ali1234i think actually you can toggle it in the bios19:52
ali1234it's not related to numlock though19:53
ali1234what about getting a usb remote control?19:57
ali1234you can get a tv tuner for £5 and just ignore the tv part19:58
neuroi suppose i should watch this doctor who thing21:12
neurosince it has a zoe ball in it21:13
neurothe annoucement thingy from saturday21:22
neuroi didn't watch it21:22
neuroi'm watching it now21:22
bigcalmLanguage not safe for work: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Blf073f2Lc&sns=tw21:25
daftykinscontent not safe for humans :(21:26
bigcalmThat as well21:26
neurowell, that's 30 minutes that could have done the same thing with a release from the Press Office and an EPK21:40
ali1234i had to turn it off when they wheeled peter davidson out21:41
neuro(and s/davidson/davison/)21:41
neurohe's my favourite out of all of them :)21:41
ali1234because he is really, really, really boring21:41
neuroyou think?21:42
ali1234well, i was bored21:42
neuroas the doctor or as in general?21:42
ali1234in general21:42
ali1234not as thedoctor21:42
ali1234as a person21:42
neurofair enough :)21:42
ali1234in interviews i mean21:42
ali1234i don't know him personally21:42
neuroi figured as much :)21:42
ali1234also i didn't much like him in all creatures great and small21:43
neuroyou're gonna have to stop saying things like that in front of me ;)21:43
bigcalmHe had a good part in THHGTTG21:44
neuroheh aye21:44
neuroEAT ME!21:44
bigcalmMy kb is now littered with bits of Dymo tape :)21:46
neuroyay dymo21:46
bigcalmpopey: ping22:13
bigcalmAlanBell: ping22:14
AlanBellhi bigcalm22:29

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