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MooDoo | morning all | 05:58 |
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MartijnVdS | \o MooDoo | 07:49 |
MooDoo | howdy MartijnVdS | 07:50 |
czajkowski | aloha | 08:18 |
AlanBell | morning | 08:22 |
czajkowski | AlanBell: ello how's it going ? | 08:23 |
MooDoo | morning czajkowski AlanBell :D | 08:25 |
DJones | Morning all | 08:28 |
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knightwise | morning everyone | 08:32 |
MooDoo | czajkowski: are you still enjying your new job? | 09:00 |
czajkowski | yup loving it | 09:02 |
MooDoo | czajkowski: awesome :D | 09:08 |
JamesTait | Good morning all, happy Traffic Light Day! :-D | 09:10 |
davmor2 | Morning all | 10:01 |
MooDoo | morning davmor2 | 10:03 |
davmor2 | 'ow do MooDoo | 10:03 |
bigcalm | Good morning peeps :) | 10:04 |
MooDoo | morning big | 10:12 |
MooDoo | morning bigcalm | 10:12 |
bigcalm | Oh, life | 10:12 |
bigcalm | Hi MooDoo | 10:12 |
MooDoo | how are you bigcalm | 10:16 |
davmor2 | bigcalm: 'ow do lad | 10:20 |
bigcalm | Ug, sorry. Busy :) | 10:20 |
bigcalm | I'm fighting fires on a Monday morning. Business as usual | 10:21 |
bigcalm | How are you both? | 10:21 |
davmor2 | bigcalm: I'm a lot happier now the mil is out of hospital, means I got a workday again and an evening woohoo! But more important is the fact that she is a lot more comfortable which mean wifey isn't on edge any more and both of them are sleeping, which is fantastic :) | 10:23 |
MooDoo | bigcalm: monday morning = firefighting day, you should add that to your list JamesTait ;) | 10:36 |
bigcalm | Haha | 10:40 |
bigcalm | davmor2: that is good news indeed | 10:40 |
davmor2 | MooDoo: JamesTait is too busy to be fire fighting and if he isn't I might get some time to test some stuff then he'll be too busy again :) | 10:43 |
JamesTait | MooDoo, every day is firefighting day, one way or another. "Dad, I installed this minetest mod but it's not working." as soon as I stepped out of the shower yesterday - I hadn't even got dressed! | 10:50 |
JamesTait | davmor2, demos are out of the way now, so I think staging is a fair target. I always welcome bug reports, especially if they come with patches. ;) | 10:51 |
davmor2 | JamesTait: do eye patches count? | 10:52 |
MooDoo | arrrrrrrr | 10:52 |
MooDoo | davmor2: oh it's not pirate day? | 10:52 |
JamesTait | davmor2, only if it's one for each eye so I don't have to look at what you broke. ;) | 10:52 |
davmor2 | JamesTait: hahaha | 10:52 |
davmor2 | JamesTait: won't be till I know what else is happening with today to be honest but I can look after that :) | 10:53 |
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knightwise | hey guys | 11:50 |
knightwise | I just plopped in a usb drive in my pc but its not showing up in /media | 11:50 |
knightwise | any idea where i can find out where it went ? | 11:50 |
MooDoo | can't you try mounting /dev/sdb1 assuming that's what it is? | 11:51 |
MartijnVdS | knightwise: /var/log/kern.log | 11:52 |
MartijnVdS | knightwise: does it show up there? | 11:52 |
DJones | Does anything show up in dmesg when you plug it in | 11:53 |
davmor2 | knightwise: gnome mount manager deals with it as I understand it so it would be under ~/.gvfs ....... I think | 12:53 |
knightwise | holdon , i'll check | 12:56 |
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knightwise | /var/log/kern.log appears to be empty | 12:57 |
knightwise | i only see /dev/sdb | 12:57 |
knightwise | no sdb1 | 12:58 |
knightwise | davmor2: i use Xfce (and only have remote ssh access to the machine i'm afraid) | 12:58 |
davmor2 | knightwise: even so I think xubuntu is using gvfs in thunar I could be wrong though | 12:59 |
knightwise | i think its under sdf | 12:59 |
knightwise | davmor2: but i only have command line access unfortunately | 13:00 |
knightwise | yep , i think its under sdf1 | 13:00 |
knightwise | and its a fat32 | 13:01 |
davmor2 | knightwise: sounds about right | 13:04 |
knightwise | gotit | 13:11 |
knightwise | mounted it | 13:11 |
knightwise | and its copying everything over right now | 13:11 |
dwatkins | freenx for teh win | 13:23 |
dwatkins | I so rarely touch my little server at home, its keyboard is covered in a layer of dust; then I need to use the GUI, I reconnec to the NX session I run on it. | 13:24 |
MooDoo | dwatkins: mins is in the garage rafters, need the step ladder out if i want to work on it :D | 13:25 |
dwatkins | I say server, it's really a netbook. | 13:27 |
MooDoo | lol mine is a dell pc :D | 13:28 |
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Oli`` | Rather odd question but does anybody have a couple of spare RaspberryPis? I might (pending a publisher's decision) be writing a book on networking them and could do with some more for testing things. I would only be looking to hang onto them for a month or so and if I broke anything I'd be happy to replace it, I'm just trying to avoid splashing out ~£50-70 on two or three boards I won't need for a long time. I'm an Ubuntu Member and moderator on Ask | 15:19 |
Oli`` | Ubuntu so I'm fairly easy to track down if you're worried I'd run off with them. PM me if you think you can help. Thanks. | 15:19 |
Oli`` | Oh and it's quite short notice. I'd be starting next week if I'm starting. | 15:20 |
ormiret | Is networking Pis any different to networking other Linux machines? | 15:36 |
Oli`` | ormiret: No, not really but I think the publisher wants a book with Raspberry Pi in the title for teh moneies | 15:36 |
ormiret | :) | 15:37 |
Oli`` | There are some things you just can't do (ARM incompatible) and some things that are slightly cooler with a low-power platform (building your own router, etc)... But for the mostpart it's all the same. | 15:38 |
dwatkins | I imagine the Pi is great for cheaply proving cluster-based applications work. | 15:43 |
mgdm | it's not exactly rapid, though | 15:43 |
ali1234 | i'll buy you the raspberry pis for 30% of the book's royalties | 15:44 |
dwatkins | I had some issues with wifi on mine, I don't know what kind of network hardware the Pi has because it doesn't show up as a PCI device. | 15:44 |
ali1234 | the only way you'd know is by reading the TRM | 15:46 |
ali1234 | but apparently that is "too hard to understand" so they will not be releasing it | 15:47 |
dwatkins | bah, I was hoping it was just hidden in the dmesg, lsusb etc. or something | 15:47 |
dwatkins | I never had much luck with working out whether network interfaces were successfully detected, mind | 15:47 |
ali1234 | there will be something in dmesg | 15:47 |
dwatkins | at least with most other devices, you can head or cat them to see | 15:48 |
ali1234 | but the bottom line is it has "raspberry pi ethernet" effectively | 15:48 |
ali1234 | because it is a system on chip, it does not use any standard hardware at all | 15:48 |
dwatkins | ah yes: [ 3.206897] smsc95xx 1-1.1:1.0: eth0: register 'smsc95xx' at usb-bcm2708_usb-1.1, smsc95xx USB 2.0 Ethernet, b8:27:eb:a4:0f:cf | 15:48 |
ali1234 | so it's usb | 15:48 |
ali1234 | and the pi is well known for having duff usb | 15:48 |
dwatkins | indeed, my network connection used to drop on the first Pi that I got, as there were incorrect resistors on the USB interface | 15:49 |
dwatkins | it would be fine for a day or so, then drop when I started doing anything CPU-intensive | 15:49 |
MartijnVdS | don't they have special "Pi" chargers that give off 5.5V or something | 15:49 |
MartijnVdS | so the USB drops don't happen | 15:49 |
ali1234 | no | 15:49 |
ali1234 | and that would be a bad idea anyway since the pi has no on board regulator | 15:50 |
dwatkins | MartijnVdS: they do reccomend you provide exactly 5 Volts, iirc, and have plenty of available current. | 15:50 |
ali1234 | also voltage doesn't work like that | 15:50 |
Oli`` | When I rule the world, it will | 15:50 |
ali1234 | what you need is a stable (ie regulated) power supply | 15:50 |
dwatkins | you can check between T1 and T2 on the board to see it's got the right voltage actually reaching the important parts of the board, I think. | 15:50 |
MartijnVdS | ali1234: oh so that's why if you supply 5V, it measures as 4.something! | 15:50 |
ali1234 | that produces 5v no matter what load (within the range the pi can use) | 15:50 |
ali1234 | MartijnVdS: if the power supply suffers voltage drop under load, it means it's a crap power supply | 15:51 |
MartijnVdS | ali1234: https://www.modmypi.com/raspberry-pi-accessories/5v-2A-modmypi-raspberry-pi-power-supply | 15:51 |
ali1234 | bumping up the output voltage isn't the right way to fix that because now the power supply is over volting when under low load | 15:51 |
MartijnVdS | ali1234: read that page, and the "Why" | 15:52 |
MartijnVdS | "USB specification allows for up to 5.25V for all 5V USB electronics" | 15:52 |
MartijnVdS | so they supply 5.25V | 15:52 |
ali1234 | yeah i read that page and all i read was "wah wah we don't know anything abut electrnics, but this power supply goes up to 5.25 so it must be 0.25 better!" | 15:52 |
ali1234 | the USB specification has absolutely nothing to do with te raspberry pi power supply, since it isn't a USB client device | 15:53 |
MartijnVdS | ali1234: except that its 5V lines are routed straight through to the "outgoing" USB ports | 15:54 |
ali1234 | this doesn't mean that the pi itself can cope with 5.25v | 15:55 |
MartijnVdS | ali1234: and USB devices don't like <5V while they don't mind a few mV over | 15:55 |
ali1234 | the spec actually says +-0.25v | 15:55 |
dwatkins | 0.25 volts is more than a few millivolts ;) | 15:55 |
MartijnVdS | ali1234: this one works though | 15:55 |
Oli`` | Why can't we just be friends? | 15:56 |
Oli`` | #ubuntu-uk in internet argument shocker | 15:56 |
MartijnVdS | ali1234: I have one of these (with a EU adapter), and it keeps my Pi stable, while my other "2A" charger doesn't | 15:56 |
MartijnVdS | ali1234: I really don't care *how* it works, just *that* it works :) | 15:57 |
dwatkins | MartijnVdS: does your adapter convert 230 Volts to 220 Volts? ;) | 15:57 |
MartijnVdS | dwatkins: Input: 100-240V @ 50 - 60Hz | 15:57 |
dwatkins | I was only kidding. | 15:58 |
MartijnVdS | dwatkins: also, UK = 230V, NL = 230V (was 220V) | 15:58 |
dwatkins | ah ok, my bad | 15:59 |
dwatkins | wikipedia needs updating, then | 15:59 |
MartijnVdS | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Committee_for_Electrotechnical_Standardization :) | 16:00 |
dwatkins | oops, no it doesn't | 16:00 |
dwatkins | I was looking at "Carribean Netherlands" | 16:00 |
dwatkins | how dare you have colonies! | 16:00 |
MartijnVdS | dwatkins: pot, kettle :P | 16:00 |
* dwatkins walks away muttering about confusingly named countries | 16:00 | |
ormiret | Most of Europe is "standardised" on 230V now - by defining the standard to include what everyone was using already. | 16:00 |
MartijnVdS | dwatkins: they're independent countries in the same kingdom | 16:00 |
MartijnVdS | dwatkins: a bit like Wales, but further away | 16:00 |
MartijnVdS | and less wet | 16:00 |
dwatkins | MartijnVdS: you need this guy to make a video about your kingdom... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNu8XDBSn10 | 16:01 |
MartijnVdS | dwatkins: he did | 16:01 |
dwatkins | aha, I'd best watch it, then | 16:01 |
MartijnVdS | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eE_IUPInEuc | 16:01 |
dwatkins | dankuwel | 16:02 |
MartijnVdS | :) | 16:02 |
MartijnVdS | ♥ CGPGrey | 16:03 |
dwatkins | I should probably go home, I've been here over 11 hours. | 16:05 |
dwatkins | no, 9 hours, I must be tired | 16:05 |
Lcawte | dwatkins: The Netherlands has overseas colonies? | 16:06 |
MartijnVdS | We call them something different now | 16:08 |
MartijnVdS | because "colonies" sounds to 17th century | 16:08 |
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bigcalm | mgdm: ping | 17:14 |
Myrtti | plarp | 17:19 |
MartijnVdS | Myrtti: parp? http://ftw.popey.com/ ? | 17:20 |
bigcalm | Howdy Myrtti | 17:20 |
MartijnVdS | also, hi :) | 17:20 |
Myrtti | -_________- | 17:20 |
Myrtti | MartijnVdS: nope, just veryveryvery tired | 17:21 |
Myrtti | bigcalm: hiya | 17:21 |
mgdm | bigcalm: pong | 17:51 |
bigcalm | mgdm: mysql connections going away while using a framework. Had experience of that? | 18:53 |
mgdm | bigcalm: not really, no | 19:07 |
mgdm | bigcalm: when you say 'using a framework', does it not happen otherwise/ | 19:07 |
directhex | bigcalm, yes | 19:07 |
directhex | bigcalm, auto reconnect! | 19:07 |
bigcalm | mgdm: I stated using a framework as I'm surprised that it would happen at all | 19:08 |
bigcalm | directhex: huh? | 19:08 |
bigcalm | Oh, reconnect | 19:08 |
bigcalm | I read that as correct | 19:08 |
directhex | bigcalm, set the mysql driver to automatically reconnect on dropped connections. some servers have dumb short timeouts | 19:08 |
bigcalm | And got very confused | 19:08 |
bigcalm | The fact that the connection is going away at all is a worry | 19:09 |
mgdm | directhex: thing is, as this is PHP, the connections probably last ~50ms or so | 19:09 |
mgdm | directhex: at the most | 19:09 |
mgdm | it won't have a connection pool | 19:09 |
mgdm | bigcalm: anything in the MySQL error log? | 19:09 |
bigcalm | mgdm: haven't looked there yet. I should do so | 19:10 |
bigcalm | I'm seeing oddness in the Apache access log | 19:10 |
bigcalm | When I see the connection going away error, it coincides with an entry in the access log that is 5 mins late compared to all of the other entries around it | 19:11 |
bigcalm | Nothing in mysql.log or .err | 19:11 |
bigcalm | I wonder if it's linked to the errors: PHP Warning: include(): Unable to allocate memory for pool | 19:13 |
* bigcalm pokes APC | 19:13 | |
bigcalm | ARGH! | 19:15 |
mgdm | just restart it :) | 19:15 |
bigcalm | Boss man has symlinked /etc/php5/cli/php.ini to ../apache2/php.ini | 19:15 |
neuro | KICK IT IN THE BUTT!¬ | 19:15 |
bigcalm | What what? | 19:16 |
mgdm | bigcalm: hah | 19:17 |
* neuro sticks Office Space on, because reasons. | 19:18 | |
bigcalm | PC Load Letter? What does that even mean? | 19:18 |
neuro | Naga ... Naga ... Not gonna work here anymore! | 19:19 |
bigcalm | By the looks of it, default APC settings should be okay | 19:28 |
bigcalm | Haha | 19:30 |
bigcalm | Just got a tweet from Bill Lumbergh | 19:31 |
ali1234 | it's funny watching canonical people whine on twitter | 19:43 |
bigcalm | If I were to remap some f keys to be multi-media ones, which would people suggest I use? | 19:46 |
bigcalm | A ctrl, shift or alt combo could be used I guess | 19:46 |
ali1234 | you mean like play/pause music? | 19:46 |
bigcalm | Yes | 19:46 |
MartijnVdS | F5 for volume up. Your web browsing will never be the same | 19:47 |
ali1234 | F6-F10 seem to be the least used by other things | 19:47 |
bigcalm | Though volume control is my main requirement | 19:47 |
bigcalm | MartijnVdS: :D | 19:47 |
MartijnVdS | byobu used f9 | 19:47 |
MartijnVdS | uses* | 19:47 |
bigcalm | f7 is often use for spell checking | 19:47 |
ali1234 | although i have to question why you think you even need this | 19:47 |
bigcalm | SQLyog uses f9 a lot | 19:47 |
bigcalm | Because I like having volume control at my finger tips rather than using a GUI | 19:48 |
ali1234 | multimedia keys don't work in most of the cases where the volume control icon isn't available | 19:48 |
ali1234 | for example many fullscreen games block them | 19:48 |
bigcalm | Note to self: don't expect ask questions while ali1234 is in the channel | 19:48 |
bigcalm | Gah | 19:49 |
ali1234 | i already answered your question | 19:49 |
ali1234 | seems you don't want to grant me the same courtesy | 19:49 |
bigcalm | And thank you for the response, it is the question afterwards that is irritating | 19:49 |
mgdm | I used to have an MS keyboard, that had function keys for things like calculator etc on the F-keys, and to get actual F5 you had to hold this 'F-lock' button | 19:50 |
mgdm | which meant that by default, alt-f4 used to open new windows | 19:50 |
mgdm | o___O | 19:50 |
ali1234 | odd | 19:50 |
bigcalm | Hehe, seen that as well | 19:50 |
ali1234 | lenovo laptops are still like that to this day | 19:51 |
mgdm | are they? Neither of mine are | 19:51 |
ali1234 | in windows at least, the F keys do all the special lenovo functions like opening lenovo control centre and so on | 19:51 |
ali1234 | well, some lenovo laptops lets say | 19:51 |
mgdm | ah | 19:51 |
ali1234 | F4 is like volume up or brightness up or something, to get alt-F4 you have to press alt-fn-F4 | 19:52 |
mgdm | the only thing like that my Thinkpads have is a 'ThinkCentre' button. There are meedja keys on the F-buttons too but you need to hold Fn to make them work | 19:52 |
ali1234 | i think actually you can toggle it in the bios | 19:52 |
ali1234 | it's not related to numlock though | 19:53 |
ali1234 | what about getting a usb remote control? | 19:57 |
ali1234 | you can get a tv tuner for £5 and just ignore the tv part | 19:58 |
neuro | i suppose i should watch this doctor who thing | 21:12 |
neuro | since it has a zoe ball in it | 21:13 |
mgdm | ...? | 21:22 |
neuro | the annoucement thingy from saturday | 21:22 |
neuro | i didn't watch it | 21:22 |
neuro | i'm watching it now | 21:22 |
bigcalm | Language not safe for work: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Blf073f2Lc&sns=tw | 21:25 |
daftykins | content not safe for humans :( | 21:26 |
bigcalm | That as well | 21:26 |
neuro | well, that's 30 minutes that could have done the same thing with a release from the Press Office and an EPK | 21:40 |
ali1234 | i had to turn it off when they wheeled peter davidson out | 21:41 |
neuro | why? | 21:41 |
neuro | (and s/davidson/davison/) | 21:41 |
neuro | he's my favourite out of all of them :) | 21:41 |
ali1234 | because he is really, really, really boring | 21:41 |
neuro | you think? | 21:42 |
ali1234 | well, i was bored | 21:42 |
neuro | as the doctor or as in general? | 21:42 |
ali1234 | in general | 21:42 |
neuro | huh | 21:42 |
ali1234 | not as thedoctor | 21:42 |
ali1234 | as a person | 21:42 |
neuro | fair enough :) | 21:42 |
ali1234 | in interviews i mean | 21:42 |
ali1234 | i don't know him personally | 21:42 |
neuro | i figured as much :) | 21:42 |
ali1234 | also i didn't much like him in all creatures great and small | 21:43 |
neuro | you're gonna have to stop saying things like that in front of me ;) | 21:43 |
bigcalm | He had a good part in THHGTTG | 21:44 |
neuro | heh aye | 21:44 |
neuro | EAT ME! | 21:44 |
bigcalm | My kb is now littered with bits of Dymo tape :) | 21:46 |
neuro | yay dymo | 21:46 |
bigcalm | popey: ping | 22:13 |
bigcalm | AlanBell: ping | 22:14 |
AlanBell | hi bigcalm | 22:29 |
bigcalm | o/ | 22:29 |
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