[05:58] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:49] <MartijnVdS> \o MooDoo
[07:50] <MooDoo> howdy MartijnVdS
[08:18] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:22] <AlanBell> morning
[08:23] <czajkowski> AlanBell: ello how's it going ?
[08:25] <MooDoo> morning czajkowski AlanBell :D
[08:28] <DJones> Morning all
[08:32] <knightwise> morning everyone
[09:00] <MooDoo> czajkowski: are you still enjying your new job?
[09:02] <czajkowski> yup loving it
[09:08] <MooDoo> czajkowski: awesome :D
[09:10] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Traffic Light Day! :-D
[10:01] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:03] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[10:03] <davmor2> 'ow do MooDoo
[10:04] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:12] <MooDoo> morning big
[10:12] <MooDoo> morning bigcalm
[10:12] <bigcalm> Oh, life
[10:12] <bigcalm> Hi MooDoo
[10:16] <MooDoo> how are you bigcalm
[10:20] <davmor2> bigcalm: 'ow do lad
[10:20] <bigcalm> Ug, sorry. Busy :)
[10:21] <bigcalm> I'm fighting fires on a Monday morning. Business as usual
[10:21] <bigcalm> How are you both?
[10:23] <davmor2> bigcalm: I'm a lot happier now the mil is out of hospital, means I got a workday again and an evening woohoo!  But more important is the fact that she is a lot more comfortable which mean wifey isn't on edge any more and both of them are sleeping, which is fantastic :)
[10:36] <MooDoo> bigcalm: monday morning = firefighting day, you should add that to your list JamesTait ;)
[10:40] <bigcalm> Haha
[10:40] <bigcalm> davmor2: that is good news indeed
[10:43] <davmor2> MooDoo: JamesTait is too busy to be fire fighting and if he isn't I might get some time to test some stuff then he'll be too busy again :)
[10:50] <JamesTait> MooDoo, every day is firefighting day, one way or another.  "Dad, I installed this minetest mod but it's not working." as soon as I stepped out of the shower yesterday - I hadn't even got dressed!
[10:51] <JamesTait> davmor2, demos are out of the way now, so I think staging is a fair target.  I always welcome bug reports, especially if they come with patches. ;)
[10:52] <davmor2> JamesTait: do eye patches count?
[10:52] <MooDoo> arrrrrrrr
[10:52] <MooDoo> davmor2: oh it's not pirate day?
[10:52] <JamesTait> davmor2, only if it's one for each eye so I don't have to look at what you broke. ;)
[10:52] <davmor2> JamesTait: hahaha
[10:53] <davmor2> JamesTait: won't be till I know what else is happening with today to be honest but I can look after that :)
[11:50] <knightwise> hey guys
[11:50] <knightwise> I just plopped in a usb drive in my pc but its not showing up in /media
[11:50] <knightwise> any idea where i can find out where it went ?
[11:51] <MooDoo> can't you try mounting /dev/sdb1 assuming that's what it is?
[11:52] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: /var/log/kern.log
[11:52] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: does it show up there?
[11:53] <DJones> Does anything show up in dmesg when you plug it in
[12:53] <davmor2> knightwise: gnome mount manager deals with it as I understand it so it would be under ~/.gvfs ....... I think
[12:56] <knightwise> holdon , i'll check
[12:57] <knightwise> /var/log/kern.log appears to be empty
[12:57] <knightwise> i only see /dev/sdb
[12:58] <knightwise> no sdb1
[12:58] <knightwise> davmor2: i use Xfce (and only have remote ssh access to the machine i'm afraid)
[12:59] <davmor2> knightwise: even so I think xubuntu is using gvfs in thunar I could be wrong though
[12:59] <knightwise> i think its under sdf
[13:00] <knightwise> davmor2: but i only have command line access unfortunately
[13:00] <knightwise> yep , i think its under sdf1
[13:01] <knightwise> and its a fat32
[13:04] <davmor2> knightwise: sounds about right
[13:11] <knightwise> gotit
[13:11] <knightwise> mounted it
[13:11] <knightwise> and its copying everything over right now
[13:23] <dwatkins> freenx for teh win
[13:24] <dwatkins> I so rarely touch my little server at home, its keyboard is covered in a layer of dust; then I need to use the GUI, I reconnec to the NX session I run on it.
[13:25] <MooDoo> dwatkins: mins is in the garage rafters, need the step ladder out if i want to work on it :D
[13:27] <dwatkins> I say server, it's really a netbook.
[13:28] <MooDoo> lol mine is a dell pc :D
[15:19] <Oli``> Rather odd question but does anybody have a couple of spare RaspberryPis? I might (pending a publisher's decision) be writing a book on networking them and could do with some more for testing things. I would only be looking to hang onto them for a month or so and if I broke anything I'd be happy to replace it, I'm just trying to avoid splashing out ~£50-70 on two or three boards I won't need for a long time. I'm an Ubuntu Member and moderator on Ask
[15:19] <Oli``> Ubuntu so I'm fairly easy to track down if you're worried I'd run off with them. PM me if you think you can help. Thanks.
[15:20] <Oli``> Oh and it's quite short notice. I'd be starting next week if I'm starting.
[15:36] <ormiret> Is networking Pis any different to networking other Linux machines?
[15:36] <Oli``> ormiret: No, not really but I think the publisher wants a book with Raspberry Pi in the title for teh moneies
[15:37] <ormiret> :)
[15:38] <Oli``> There are some things you just can't do (ARM incompatible) and some things that are slightly cooler with a low-power platform (building your own router, etc)... But for the mostpart it's all the same.
[15:43] <dwatkins> I imagine the Pi is great for cheaply proving cluster-based applications work.
[15:43] <mgdm> it's not exactly rapid, though
[15:44] <ali1234> i'll buy you the raspberry pis for 30% of the book's royalties
[15:44] <dwatkins> I had some issues with wifi on mine, I don't know what kind of network hardware the Pi has because it doesn't show up as a PCI device.
[15:46] <ali1234> the only way you'd know is by reading the TRM
[15:47] <ali1234> but apparently that is "too hard to understand" so they will not be releasing it
[15:47] <dwatkins> bah, I was hoping it was just hidden in the dmesg, lsusb etc. or something
[15:47] <dwatkins> I never had much luck with working out whether network interfaces were successfully detected, mind
[15:47] <ali1234> there will be something in dmesg
[15:48] <dwatkins> at least with most other devices, you can head or cat them to see
[15:48] <ali1234> but the bottom line is it has "raspberry pi ethernet" effectively
[15:48] <ali1234> because it is a system on chip, it does not use any standard hardware at all
[15:48] <dwatkins> ah yes: [    3.206897] smsc95xx 1-1.1:1.0: eth0: register 'smsc95xx' at usb-bcm2708_usb-1.1, smsc95xx USB 2.0 Ethernet, b8:27:eb:a4:0f:cf
[15:48] <ali1234> so it's usb
[15:48] <ali1234> and the pi is well known for having duff usb
[15:49] <dwatkins> indeed, my network connection used to drop on the first Pi that I got, as there were incorrect resistors on the USB interface
[15:49] <dwatkins> it would be fine for a day or so, then drop when I started doing anything CPU-intensive
[15:49] <MartijnVdS> don't they have special "Pi" chargers that give off 5.5V or something
[15:49] <MartijnVdS> so the USB drops don't happen
[15:49] <ali1234> no
[15:50] <ali1234> and that would be a bad idea anyway since the pi has no on board regulator
[15:50] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: they do reccomend you provide exactly 5 Volts, iirc, and have plenty of available current.
[15:50] <ali1234> also voltage doesn't work like that
[15:50] <Oli``> When I rule the world, it will
[15:50] <ali1234> what you need is a stable (ie regulated) power supply
[15:50] <dwatkins> you can check between T1 and T2 on the board to see it's got the right voltage actually reaching the important parts of the board, I think.
[15:50] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: oh so that's why if you supply 5V, it measures as 4.something!
[15:50] <ali1234> that produces 5v no matter what load (within the range the pi can use)
[15:51] <ali1234> MartijnVdS: if the power supply suffers voltage drop under load, it means it's a crap power supply
[15:51] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: https://www.modmypi.com/raspberry-pi-accessories/5v-2A-modmypi-raspberry-pi-power-supply
[15:51] <ali1234> bumping up the output voltage isn't the right way to fix that because now the power supply is over volting when under low load
[15:52] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: read that page, and the "Why"
[15:52] <MartijnVdS> "USB specification allows for up to 5.25V for all 5V USB electronics"
[15:52] <MartijnVdS> so they supply 5.25V
[15:52] <ali1234> yeah i read that page and all i read was "wah wah we don't know anything abut electrnics, but this power supply goes up to 5.25 so it must be 0.25 better!"
[15:53] <ali1234> the USB specification has absolutely nothing to do with te raspberry pi power supply, since it isn't a USB client device
[15:54] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: except that its 5V lines are routed straight through to the "outgoing" USB ports
[15:55] <ali1234> this doesn't mean that the pi itself can cope with 5.25v
[15:55] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: and USB devices don't like <5V while they don't mind a few mV over
[15:55] <ali1234> the spec actually says +-0.25v
[15:55] <dwatkins> 0.25 volts is more than a few millivolts ;)
[15:55] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: this one works though
[15:56] <Oli``> Why can't we just be friends?
[15:56] <Oli``> #ubuntu-uk in internet argument shocker
[15:56] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: I have one of these (with a EU adapter), and it keeps my Pi stable, while my other "2A" charger doesn't
[15:57] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: I really don't care *how* it works, just *that* it works :)
[15:57] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: does your adapter convert 230 Volts to 220 Volts? ;)
[15:57] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: Input: 100-240V @ 50 - 60Hz
[15:58] <dwatkins> I was only kidding.
[15:58] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: also, UK = 230V, NL = 230V (was 220V)
[15:59] <dwatkins> ah ok, my bad
[15:59] <dwatkins> wikipedia needs updating, then
[16:00] <MartijnVdS> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Committee_for_Electrotechnical_Standardization  :)
[16:00] <dwatkins> oops, no it doesn't
[16:00] <dwatkins> I was looking at "Carribean Netherlands"
[16:00] <dwatkins> how dare you have colonies!
[16:00] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: pot, kettle :P
[16:00]  * dwatkins walks away muttering about confusingly named countries
[16:00] <ormiret> Most of Europe is "standardised" on 230V now - by defining the standard to include what everyone was using already.
[16:00] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: they're independent countries in the same kingdom
[16:00] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: a bit like Wales, but further away
[16:00] <MartijnVdS> and less wet
[16:01] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: you need this guy to make a video about your kingdom... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNu8XDBSn10
[16:01] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: he did
[16:01] <dwatkins> aha, I'd best watch it, then
[16:01] <MartijnVdS> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eE_IUPInEuc
[16:02] <dwatkins> dankuwel
[16:02] <MartijnVdS> :)
[16:03] <MartijnVdS> ♥ CGPGrey
[16:05] <dwatkins> I should probably go home, I've been here over 11 hours.
[16:05] <dwatkins> no, 9 hours, I must be tired
[16:06] <Lcawte> dwatkins: The Netherlands has overseas colonies?
[16:08] <MartijnVdS> We call them something different now
[16:08] <MartijnVdS> because "colonies" sounds to 17th century
[17:14] <bigcalm> mgdm: ping
[17:19] <Myrtti> plarp
[17:20] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: parp? http://ftw.popey.com/ ?
[17:20] <bigcalm> Howdy Myrtti
[17:20] <MartijnVdS> also, hi :)
[17:20] <Myrtti> -_________-
[17:21] <Myrtti> MartijnVdS: nope, just veryveryvery tired
[17:21] <Myrtti> bigcalm: hiya
[17:51] <mgdm> bigcalm: pong
[18:53] <bigcalm> mgdm: mysql connections going away while using a framework. Had experience of that?
[19:07] <mgdm> bigcalm: not really, no
[19:07] <mgdm> bigcalm: when you say 'using a framework', does it not happen otherwise/
[19:07] <directhex> bigcalm, yes
[19:07] <directhex> bigcalm, auto reconnect!
[19:08] <bigcalm> mgdm: I stated using a framework as I'm surprised that it would happen at all
[19:08] <bigcalm> directhex: huh?
[19:08] <bigcalm> Oh, reconnect
[19:08] <bigcalm> I read that as correct
[19:08] <directhex> bigcalm, set the mysql driver to automatically reconnect on dropped connections. some servers have dumb short timeouts
[19:08] <bigcalm> And got very confused
[19:09] <bigcalm> The fact that the connection is going away at all is a worry
[19:09] <mgdm> directhex: thing is, as this is PHP, the connections probably last ~50ms or so
[19:09] <mgdm> directhex: at the most
[19:09] <mgdm> it won't have a connection pool
[19:09] <mgdm> bigcalm: anything in the MySQL error log?
[19:10] <bigcalm> mgdm: haven't looked there yet. I should do so
[19:10] <bigcalm> I'm seeing oddness in the Apache access log
[19:11] <bigcalm> When I see the connection going away error, it coincides with an entry in the access log that is 5 mins late compared to all of the other entries around it
[19:11] <bigcalm> Nothing in mysql.log or .err
[19:13] <bigcalm> I wonder if it's linked to the errors: PHP Warning:  include(): Unable to allocate memory for pool
[19:13]  * bigcalm pokes APC
[19:15] <bigcalm> ARGH!
[19:15] <mgdm> just restart it :)
[19:15] <bigcalm> Boss man has symlinked /etc/php5/cli/php.ini to ../apache2/php.ini
[19:15] <neuro> KICK IT IN THE BUTT!¬
[19:16] <bigcalm> What what?
[19:17] <mgdm> bigcalm: hah
[19:18]  * neuro sticks Office Space on, because reasons.
[19:18] <bigcalm> PC Load Letter? What does that even mean?
[19:19] <neuro> Naga ... Naga ... Not gonna work here anymore!
[19:28] <bigcalm> By the looks of it, default APC settings should be okay
[19:30] <bigcalm> Haha
[19:31] <bigcalm> Just got a tweet from Bill Lumbergh
[19:43] <ali1234> it's funny watching canonical people whine on twitter
[19:46] <bigcalm> If I were to remap some f keys to be multi-media ones, which would people suggest I use?
[19:46] <bigcalm> A ctrl, shift or alt combo could be used I guess
[19:46] <ali1234> you mean like play/pause music?
[19:46] <bigcalm> Yes
[19:47] <MartijnVdS> F5 for volume up. Your web browsing will never be the same
[19:47] <ali1234> F6-F10 seem to be the least used by other things
[19:47] <bigcalm> Though volume control is my main requirement
[19:47] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: :D
[19:47] <MartijnVdS> byobu used f9
[19:47] <MartijnVdS> uses*
[19:47] <bigcalm> f7 is often use for spell checking
[19:47] <ali1234> although i have to question why you think you even need this
[19:47] <bigcalm> SQLyog uses f9 a lot
[19:48] <bigcalm> Because I like having volume control at my finger tips rather than using a GUI
[19:48] <ali1234> multimedia keys don't work in most of the cases where the volume control icon isn't available
[19:48] <ali1234> for example many fullscreen games block them
[19:48] <bigcalm> Note to self: don't expect ask questions while ali1234 is in the channel
[19:49] <bigcalm> Gah
[19:49] <ali1234> i already answered your question
[19:49] <ali1234> seems you don't want to grant me the same courtesy
[19:49] <bigcalm> And thank you for the response, it is the question afterwards that is irritating
[19:50] <mgdm> I used to have an MS keyboard, that had function keys for things like calculator etc on the F-keys, and to get actual F5 you had to hold this 'F-lock' button
[19:50] <mgdm> which meant that by default, alt-f4 used to open new windows
[19:50] <mgdm> o___O
[19:50] <ali1234> odd
[19:50] <bigcalm> Hehe, seen that as well
[19:51] <ali1234> lenovo laptops are still like that to this day
[19:51] <mgdm> are they? Neither of mine are
[19:51] <ali1234> in windows at least, the F keys do all the special lenovo functions like opening lenovo control centre and so on
[19:51] <ali1234> well, some lenovo laptops lets say
[19:51] <mgdm> ah
[19:52] <ali1234> F4 is like volume up or brightness up or something, to get alt-F4 you have to press alt-fn-F4
[19:52] <mgdm> the only thing like that my Thinkpads have is a 'ThinkCentre' button. There are meedja keys on the F-buttons too but you need to hold Fn to make them work
[19:52] <ali1234> i think actually you can toggle it in the bios
[19:53] <ali1234> it's not related to numlock though
[19:57] <ali1234> what about getting a usb remote control?
[19:58] <ali1234> you can get a tv tuner for £5 and just ignore the tv part
[21:12] <neuro> i suppose i should watch this doctor who thing
[21:13] <neuro> since it has a zoe ball in it
[21:22] <mgdm> ...?
[21:22] <neuro> the annoucement thingy from saturday
[21:22] <neuro> i didn't watch it
[21:22] <neuro> i'm watching it now
[21:25] <bigcalm> Language not safe for work: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Blf073f2Lc&sns=tw
[21:26] <daftykins> content not safe for humans :(
[21:26] <bigcalm> That as well
[21:40] <neuro> well, that's 30 minutes that could have done the same thing with a release from the Press Office and an EPK
[21:41] <ali1234> i had to turn it off when they wheeled peter davidson out
[21:41] <neuro> why?
[21:41] <neuro> (and s/davidson/davison/)
[21:41] <neuro> he's my favourite out of all of them :)
[21:41] <ali1234> because he is really, really, really boring
[21:42] <neuro> you think?
[21:42] <ali1234> well, i was bored
[21:42] <neuro> as the doctor or as in general?
[21:42] <ali1234> in general
[21:42] <neuro> huh
[21:42] <ali1234> not as thedoctor
[21:42] <ali1234> as a person
[21:42] <neuro> fair enough :)
[21:42] <ali1234> in interviews i mean
[21:42] <ali1234> i don't know him personally
[21:42] <neuro> i figured as much :)
[21:43] <ali1234> also i didn't much like him in all creatures great and small
[21:43] <neuro> you're gonna have to stop saying things like that in front of me ;)
[21:44] <bigcalm> He had a good part in THHGTTG
[21:44] <neuro> heh aye
[21:44] <neuro> EAT ME!
[21:46] <bigcalm> My kb is now littered with bits of Dymo tape :)
[21:46] <neuro> yay dymo
[22:13] <bigcalm> popey: ping
[22:14] <bigcalm> AlanBell: ping
[22:29] <AlanBell> hi bigcalm
[22:29] <bigcalm> o/