=== jelmer_ is now known as jelmer [05:58] morning all [07:49] \o MooDoo [07:50] howdy MartijnVdS [08:18] aloha [08:22] morning [08:23] AlanBell: ello how's it going ? [08:25] morning czajkowski AlanBell :D [08:28] Morning all === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [08:32] morning everyone [09:00] czajkowski: are you still enjying your new job? [09:02] yup loving it [09:08] czajkowski: awesome :D [09:10] Good morning all, happy Traffic Light Day! :-D [10:01] Morning all [10:03] morning davmor2 [10:03] 'ow do MooDoo [10:04] Good morning peeps :) [10:12] morning big [10:12] morning bigcalm [10:12] Oh, life [10:12] Hi MooDoo [10:16] how are you bigcalm [10:20] bigcalm: 'ow do lad [10:20] Ug, sorry. Busy :) [10:21] I'm fighting fires on a Monday morning. Business as usual [10:21] How are you both? [10:23] bigcalm: I'm a lot happier now the mil is out of hospital, means I got a workday again and an evening woohoo! But more important is the fact that she is a lot more comfortable which mean wifey isn't on edge any more and both of them are sleeping, which is fantastic :) [10:36] bigcalm: monday morning = firefighting day, you should add that to your list JamesTait ;) [10:40] Haha [10:40] davmor2: that is good news indeed [10:43] MooDoo: JamesTait is too busy to be fire fighting and if he isn't I might get some time to test some stuff then he'll be too busy again :) [10:50] MooDoo, every day is firefighting day, one way or another. "Dad, I installed this minetest mod but it's not working." as soon as I stepped out of the shower yesterday - I hadn't even got dressed! [10:51] davmor2, demos are out of the way now, so I think staging is a fair target. I always welcome bug reports, especially if they come with patches. ;) [10:52] JamesTait: do eye patches count? [10:52] arrrrrrrr [10:52] davmor2: oh it's not pirate day? [10:52] davmor2, only if it's one for each eye so I don't have to look at what you broke. ;) [10:52] JamesTait: hahaha [10:53] JamesTait: won't be till I know what else is happening with today to be honest but I can look after that :) === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [11:50] hey guys [11:50] I just plopped in a usb drive in my pc but its not showing up in /media [11:50] any idea where i can find out where it went ? [11:51] can't you try mounting /dev/sdb1 assuming that's what it is? [11:52] knightwise: /var/log/kern.log [11:52] knightwise: does it show up there? [11:53] Does anything show up in dmesg when you plug it in [12:53] knightwise: gnome mount manager deals with it as I understand it so it would be under ~/.gvfs ....... I think [12:56] holdon , i'll check === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [12:57] /var/log/kern.log appears to be empty [12:57] i only see /dev/sdb [12:58] no sdb1 [12:58] davmor2: i use Xfce (and only have remote ssh access to the machine i'm afraid) [12:59] knightwise: even so I think xubuntu is using gvfs in thunar I could be wrong though [12:59] i think its under sdf [13:00] davmor2: but i only have command line access unfortunately [13:00] yep , i think its under sdf1 [13:01] and its a fat32 [13:04] knightwise: sounds about right [13:11] gotit [13:11] mounted it [13:11] and its copying everything over right now [13:23] freenx for teh win [13:24] I so rarely touch my little server at home, its keyboard is covered in a layer of dust; then I need to use the GUI, I reconnec to the NX session I run on it. [13:25] dwatkins: mins is in the garage rafters, need the step ladder out if i want to work on it :D [13:27] I say server, it's really a netbook. [13:28] lol mine is a dell pc :D === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea === Hornet- is now known as Hornet === mrparry_ is now known as mrlukeparry === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g [15:19] Rather odd question but does anybody have a couple of spare RaspberryPis? I might (pending a publisher's decision) be writing a book on networking them and could do with some more for testing things. I would only be looking to hang onto them for a month or so and if I broke anything I'd be happy to replace it, I'm just trying to avoid splashing out ~£50-70 on two or three boards I won't need for a long time. I'm an Ubuntu Member and moderator on Ask [15:19] Ubuntu so I'm fairly easy to track down if you're worried I'd run off with them. PM me if you think you can help. Thanks. [15:20] Oh and it's quite short notice. I'd be starting next week if I'm starting. [15:36] Is networking Pis any different to networking other Linux machines? [15:36] ormiret: No, not really but I think the publisher wants a book with Raspberry Pi in the title for teh moneies [15:37] :) [15:38] There are some things you just can't do (ARM incompatible) and some things that are slightly cooler with a low-power platform (building your own router, etc)... But for the mostpart it's all the same. [15:43] I imagine the Pi is great for cheaply proving cluster-based applications work. [15:43] it's not exactly rapid, though [15:44] i'll buy you the raspberry pis for 30% of the book's royalties [15:44] I had some issues with wifi on mine, I don't know what kind of network hardware the Pi has because it doesn't show up as a PCI device. [15:46] the only way you'd know is by reading the TRM [15:47] but apparently that is "too hard to understand" so they will not be releasing it [15:47] bah, I was hoping it was just hidden in the dmesg, lsusb etc. or something [15:47] I never had much luck with working out whether network interfaces were successfully detected, mind [15:47] there will be something in dmesg [15:48] at least with most other devices, you can head or cat them to see [15:48] but the bottom line is it has "raspberry pi ethernet" effectively [15:48] because it is a system on chip, it does not use any standard hardware at all [15:48] ah yes: [ 3.206897] smsc95xx 1-1.1:1.0: eth0: register 'smsc95xx' at usb-bcm2708_usb-1.1, smsc95xx USB 2.0 Ethernet, b8:27:eb:a4:0f:cf [15:48] so it's usb [15:48] and the pi is well known for having duff usb [15:49] indeed, my network connection used to drop on the first Pi that I got, as there were incorrect resistors on the USB interface [15:49] it would be fine for a day or so, then drop when I started doing anything CPU-intensive [15:49] don't they have special "Pi" chargers that give off 5.5V or something [15:49] so the USB drops don't happen [15:49] no [15:50] and that would be a bad idea anyway since the pi has no on board regulator [15:50] MartijnVdS: they do reccomend you provide exactly 5 Volts, iirc, and have plenty of available current. [15:50] also voltage doesn't work like that [15:50] When I rule the world, it will [15:50] what you need is a stable (ie regulated) power supply [15:50] you can check between T1 and T2 on the board to see it's got the right voltage actually reaching the important parts of the board, I think. [15:50] ali1234: oh so that's why if you supply 5V, it measures as 4.something! [15:50] that produces 5v no matter what load (within the range the pi can use) [15:51] MartijnVdS: if the power supply suffers voltage drop under load, it means it's a crap power supply [15:51] ali1234: https://www.modmypi.com/raspberry-pi-accessories/5v-2A-modmypi-raspberry-pi-power-supply [15:51] bumping up the output voltage isn't the right way to fix that because now the power supply is over volting when under low load [15:52] ali1234: read that page, and the "Why" [15:52] "USB specification allows for up to 5.25V for all 5V USB electronics" [15:52] so they supply 5.25V [15:52] yeah i read that page and all i read was "wah wah we don't know anything abut electrnics, but this power supply goes up to 5.25 so it must be 0.25 better!" [15:53] the USB specification has absolutely nothing to do with te raspberry pi power supply, since it isn't a USB client device [15:54] ali1234: except that its 5V lines are routed straight through to the "outgoing" USB ports [15:55] this doesn't mean that the pi itself can cope with 5.25v [15:55] ali1234: and USB devices don't like <5V while they don't mind a few mV over [15:55] the spec actually says +-0.25v [15:55] 0.25 volts is more than a few millivolts ;) [15:55] ali1234: this one works though [15:56] Why can't we just be friends? [15:56] #ubuntu-uk in internet argument shocker [15:56] ali1234: I have one of these (with a EU adapter), and it keeps my Pi stable, while my other "2A" charger doesn't [15:57] ali1234: I really don't care *how* it works, just *that* it works :) [15:57] MartijnVdS: does your adapter convert 230 Volts to 220 Volts? ;) [15:57] dwatkins: Input: 100-240V @ 50 - 60Hz [15:58] I was only kidding. [15:58] dwatkins: also, UK = 230V, NL = 230V (was 220V) [15:59] ah ok, my bad [15:59] wikipedia needs updating, then [16:00] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Committee_for_Electrotechnical_Standardization :) [16:00] oops, no it doesn't [16:00] I was looking at "Carribean Netherlands" [16:00] how dare you have colonies! [16:00] dwatkins: pot, kettle :P [16:00] * dwatkins walks away muttering about confusingly named countries [16:00] Most of Europe is "standardised" on 230V now - by defining the standard to include what everyone was using already. [16:00] dwatkins: they're independent countries in the same kingdom [16:00] dwatkins: a bit like Wales, but further away [16:00] and less wet [16:01] MartijnVdS: you need this guy to make a video about your kingdom... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNu8XDBSn10 [16:01] dwatkins: he did [16:01] aha, I'd best watch it, then [16:01] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eE_IUPInEuc [16:02] dankuwel [16:02] :) [16:03] ♥ CGPGrey [16:05] I should probably go home, I've been here over 11 hours. [16:05] no, 9 hours, I must be tired [16:06] dwatkins: The Netherlands has overseas colonies? [16:08] We call them something different now [16:08] because "colonies" sounds to 17th century === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD [17:14] mgdm: ping [17:19] plarp [17:20] Myrtti: parp? http://ftw.popey.com/ ? [17:20] Howdy Myrtti [17:20] also, hi :) [17:20] -_________- [17:21] MartijnVdS: nope, just veryveryvery tired [17:21] bigcalm: hiya [17:51] bigcalm: pong [18:53] mgdm: mysql connections going away while using a framework. Had experience of that? [19:07] bigcalm: not really, no [19:07] bigcalm: when you say 'using a framework', does it not happen otherwise/ [19:07] bigcalm, yes [19:07] bigcalm, auto reconnect! [19:08] mgdm: I stated using a framework as I'm surprised that it would happen at all [19:08] directhex: huh? [19:08] Oh, reconnect [19:08] I read that as correct [19:08] bigcalm, set the mysql driver to automatically reconnect on dropped connections. some servers have dumb short timeouts [19:08] And got very confused [19:09] The fact that the connection is going away at all is a worry [19:09] directhex: thing is, as this is PHP, the connections probably last ~50ms or so [19:09] directhex: at the most [19:09] it won't have a connection pool [19:09] bigcalm: anything in the MySQL error log? [19:10] mgdm: haven't looked there yet. I should do so [19:10] I'm seeing oddness in the Apache access log [19:11] When I see the connection going away error, it coincides with an entry in the access log that is 5 mins late compared to all of the other entries around it [19:11] Nothing in mysql.log or .err [19:13] I wonder if it's linked to the errors: PHP Warning: include(): Unable to allocate memory for pool [19:13] * bigcalm pokes APC [19:15] ARGH! [19:15] just restart it :) [19:15] Boss man has symlinked /etc/php5/cli/php.ini to ../apache2/php.ini [19:15] KICK IT IN THE BUTT!¬ [19:16] What what? [19:17] bigcalm: hah [19:18] * neuro sticks Office Space on, because reasons. [19:18] PC Load Letter? What does that even mean? [19:19] Naga ... Naga ... Not gonna work here anymore! [19:28] By the looks of it, default APC settings should be okay [19:30] Haha [19:31] Just got a tweet from Bill Lumbergh [19:43] it's funny watching canonical people whine on twitter [19:46] If I were to remap some f keys to be multi-media ones, which would people suggest I use? [19:46] A ctrl, shift or alt combo could be used I guess [19:46] you mean like play/pause music? [19:46] Yes [19:47] F5 for volume up. Your web browsing will never be the same [19:47] F6-F10 seem to be the least used by other things [19:47] Though volume control is my main requirement [19:47] MartijnVdS: :D [19:47] byobu used f9 [19:47] uses* [19:47] f7 is often use for spell checking [19:47] although i have to question why you think you even need this [19:47] SQLyog uses f9 a lot [19:48] Because I like having volume control at my finger tips rather than using a GUI [19:48] multimedia keys don't work in most of the cases where the volume control icon isn't available [19:48] for example many fullscreen games block them [19:48] Note to self: don't expect ask questions while ali1234 is in the channel [19:49] Gah [19:49] i already answered your question [19:49] seems you don't want to grant me the same courtesy [19:49] And thank you for the response, it is the question afterwards that is irritating [19:50] I used to have an MS keyboard, that had function keys for things like calculator etc on the F-keys, and to get actual F5 you had to hold this 'F-lock' button [19:50] which meant that by default, alt-f4 used to open new windows [19:50] o___O [19:50] odd [19:50] Hehe, seen that as well [19:51] lenovo laptops are still like that to this day [19:51] are they? Neither of mine are [19:51] in windows at least, the F keys do all the special lenovo functions like opening lenovo control centre and so on [19:51] well, some lenovo laptops lets say [19:51] ah [19:52] F4 is like volume up or brightness up or something, to get alt-F4 you have to press alt-fn-F4 [19:52] the only thing like that my Thinkpads have is a 'ThinkCentre' button. There are meedja keys on the F-buttons too but you need to hold Fn to make them work [19:52] i think actually you can toggle it in the bios [19:53] it's not related to numlock though [19:57] what about getting a usb remote control? [19:58] you can get a tv tuner for £5 and just ignore the tv part [21:12] i suppose i should watch this doctor who thing [21:13] since it has a zoe ball in it [21:22] ...? [21:22] the annoucement thingy from saturday [21:22] i didn't watch it [21:22] i'm watching it now [21:25] Language not safe for work: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Blf073f2Lc&sns=tw [21:26] content not safe for humans :( [21:26] That as well [21:40] well, that's 30 minutes that could have done the same thing with a release from the Press Office and an EPK [21:41] i had to turn it off when they wheeled peter davidson out [21:41] why? [21:41] (and s/davidson/davison/) [21:41] he's my favourite out of all of them :) [21:41] because he is really, really, really boring [21:42] you think? [21:42] well, i was bored [21:42] as the doctor or as in general? [21:42] in general [21:42] huh [21:42] not as thedoctor [21:42] as a person [21:42] fair enough :) [21:42] in interviews i mean [21:42] i don't know him personally [21:42] i figured as much :) [21:43] also i didn't much like him in all creatures great and small [21:43] you're gonna have to stop saying things like that in front of me ;) [21:44] He had a good part in THHGTTG [21:44] heh aye [21:44] EAT ME! [21:46] My kb is now littered with bits of Dymo tape :) [21:46] yay dymo [22:13] popey: ping [22:14] AlanBell: ping [22:29] hi bigcalm [22:29] o/