=== space_ is now known as Space [06:38] Morning [06:40] morning superfly and others [07:27] hi Vince-0 SilverCode mazal [07:27] morning maiatoday [07:27] wb [07:28] Morning all [07:37] heyo! [07:37] disconnects... [08:04] good moring everyone [08:05] oh and hi Kilos [08:05] morning inetpro [08:15] hi psyatw [08:17] hi KIlos [08:17] hi Vince-0 [08:42] http://www.ubuntu.com/phone [08:42] I´m looking forward to seeing how that works [09:29] hello peeps [09:42] 'lo [09:52] Any smart guys around ? [09:53] I have installed Ubuntu to my external hdd ( 13.04 , want to have the same os with same docs and mail and all both at work and at home) [09:54] At home , it works , but at work I get to the login and when I log in I only see the desktop. No launcher , no top tray or system area [09:55] Instinct tell me it can be graphics drivers maybe ? At home , where it was installed , Nvidia's proprierty drivers was installed. [09:55] ai! [09:55] So now I think it's those drivers not working at the work pc [09:55] yip [09:55] Back at home I tried to deselect that driver in " additional drivers " section , but ubuntu refuse to deselect it [09:55] i read somewhere that happened because of graphics driver [09:56] Any ideas ? [09:56] are the graphics cards different [09:56] Is there a manual way to remove the nvidia proprietary driver ? [09:56] Yes they are Kilos [09:56] both nvidia? [09:57] Nope , ati at work [09:57] ai! [09:57] ubuntu not very ati friendly [09:57] It might also be an ATI 13.04 thing. [09:57] Kilos: ATI supplies drivers for Ubuntu [09:58] I remember when I installed 13.04 for first time at home I had to remove ati card and install nvidia card [09:58] I use them, they're not that great though [09:58] ATI's drivers didn't work at all on my ati card at home [09:59] Now I think that if I remove the nvidia drivers that ubuntu can work in a default state without screen drivers and might work on both with it's own built-in drivers ? Like when you first install ? [09:59] yeah nouveau driver [10:00] But I dunno how to get the nvidia one off [10:00] Maaz, google 13.04 no launcher or top panel with ATI graphics card [10:00] Kilos: "unity - Launcher and panel missing [ubuntu 13.04] - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/288235/launcher-and-panel-missing-ubuntu-13-04 :: "Ubuntu 12.10 shows no launcher or menu - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/208346/ubuntu-12-10-shows-no-launcher-or-menu :: "Unity doesn't load, no Launcher, no Dash appears - Ask Ubuntu" [10:00] http://askubuntu.com/questions/17381/unity-doesnt-load-no-launcher-no-dash-appears :: "After upgrading to… [10:00] nope [10:01] apt-get remove [10:01] what are you using nvidia-173-extras [10:02] Can't remember oom , and can't boot it here to see [10:02] It was one of the "tested" ones [10:03] most likely 173 or 173-extra [10:03] hi Squirm help the poor man [10:04] hi ThatGraemeGuy [10:04] Oom Kilos the list of problems have been getting so long I had to install win this weekend in dual-boot just to get work done :-( Now this problem also [10:05] when it boots to that blank screen ctrl+alt=f2 to get prompts [10:05] Suddenly this weekend video editing also started giving issues [10:05] eish [10:05] Had to boot 12.04 to get that done. I am running 3 os's now :-( [10:05] ai! [10:06] you gotta try get to kde im sure it has more tools [10:11] Very last time I install these middle releases. from 14.04 gonna stay on LTS and hope it goes better [10:12] are you in the prompt? [10:12] at [10:14] I can't Kilos , I will have to shut down and boot that broken one , then I can't get on here [10:14] ah [10:14] You have a way to remove the driver in cli ? [10:15] because after ctrl+alt+f2 you can remove nvidia from the terminal [10:15] Uhm , ok lemme see if I can boot it on another pc [10:16] also on that blank screen you can ctrl+alf+t for a terminal [10:16] ctrl+alt+t [10:19] then you can lspci and it will show the card in the machine [10:19] busy booting [10:20] Ok , I'm in terminal [10:20] How to remove nvidia drivers ? [10:21] apt-get remove nvidia-173 i hope [10:21] if you used that one [10:21] Ish , you hope :-P [10:22] ya man you must know which one you used [10:22] hehe [10:22] Wait I was able to get to " additional drivers " [10:23] It's actually using ATI open source tested. It automatically changed to that it seems [10:23] So it's the same &^%$*&$%^$ ati thing I had at home grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr [10:23] ok activate [10:23] It's won't work on this pc :-( [10:23] oh my [10:23] ok you know the card? [10:24] Check how stupid this is , that drivers is marked , but it says " no proprietry driver in use " [10:24] maybe one can get the drivers from ati [10:24] its maybe not activated [10:25] And I know for a fact the other two listed won't work as those two broke my system so bad the last time I had to re-install [10:25] but you can do aptitude reinstall driver if you have its particulars [10:25] ai! [10:26] you'll have to wait for a clever geek to help you [10:27] Thanx for trying oom , at least now I know 13.04 can't do what I need [10:27] mazal, dont the nouveau drivers work [10:28] Nouveau doesn't even show here as it's not nvidia [10:28] uninstall ati and nvidia and use nouveau [10:28] no its in synaptic youll find it [10:28] you can also remove the nvidia and ati drivers from there [10:29] just cli synaptic [10:31] I hope 13.10 and 14.04 works with ati , then I'll try and work this way again. For now will just use two different os's [10:31] get the company to get some nvidia cards [10:32] Oi , oom jy praat van 6 maande se werk [10:32] or even try the onboard socket [10:33] cant remember you might need to remove the graphics card though [10:39] Gotta shut down , gonna try the onboard thing [10:42] wb maiatoday [10:42] ty Kilos === psyatw1 is now known as psyatw [10:54] No-go oom Kilos , onboard intel also don't work [10:54] eish [10:54] skuus man [10:55] what does additional drivers show there === space_ is now known as Space [11:10] If I wasn't so g@tvol of re-installing os's I would have gone back to 12.04 with this main os also [11:11] But I already did 4 the last week or so [11:14] ai! [12:33] afternoon all [12:34] hi magespawn [12:36] Maaz, seen banlam [12:36] Kilos: banlam was last seen 6 months, 15 days, 18 hours, 12 minutes and 26 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2013-01-21 20:23:38 SAST], and has been offline on freenode since 2013-08-03 08:35:23 SAST [12:36] Maaz, seen bakuman [12:36] Kilos: bakuman was last seen 3 months, 13 days, 21 hours, 39 minutes and 28 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2013-04-23 16:56:48 SAST], and has been offline on freenode since 2013-08-03 08:36:23 SAST [12:36] sjoe [12:48] Bye everyone , have a good evening [13:20] yay, finally managed to fix my tmux issues [13:21] at least someone is winning today [13:28] SilverCode: what tmux issues? [13:40] inetpro: the first was "dirty" screens. As the window scrolled up, lines wouldn't clear properly [13:40] inetpro: turned out to be using the wrong term [13:41] inetpro: the second was Shift+Fn keys not being passed through correctly [13:41] now if only I could solve my KMail problems [13:41] SilverCode: you using tmux directly or via byobu? [13:42] inetpro: byobu? [13:43] see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byobu_%28software%29 [13:45] ah, in that case, using tmux directly [13:46] although byobu looks interesting [13:47] it is very useful indeed [13:49] * inetpro still prefers GNU screen for the backend [13:49] merely because that is what I'm used to === Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za [14:10] yo Squirm Trixar_za [14:10] Hey Kilos [14:10] I just redid the znc for them [14:10] whats a znc? [14:11] a bouncer client - it idles online and keeps messages or logs while you're free to disconnect [14:12] for who did you do this? [14:12] slitaz? [14:18] Squirm and me mostly [14:18] ah [14:18] you mean on here Trixar_za ? [14:20] Yeah and a few other networks. Squirm uses it with 3 networks [14:20] cool [14:21] easier for me to just ask what i missed [14:21] hehe [14:23] SilverCode, kmail really sucks. i couldnt get it even to start up and the fly also said he used thunderbird because it was so bad [14:27] but evolution works well on unity and kde [14:27] in 12.04 that is [14:29] inetpro, do you use kmail? [14:30] * inetpro been a happy user of Thunderbird for like ever [14:31] yuk [14:47] Greetings [14:47] better === Trixar_za is now known as Trix[a]r_za [15:37] yo neelsie [15:38] * Kilos greets Cantide too [15:38] o/ uncle Kilos [15:54] hello Kilos et al :) [15:54] \o [15:55] o/ === Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za [16:04] Cantide, when you going? [16:20] busy putting together a collection of my better flying [16:20] going to use it for advertising [16:20] my little Dual Core probably isn't ideal for video editing, but oh well [17:37] Kilos, i don't know just yet :p [17:37] still working on that '-' [17:37] but you can be sure i will let you know when i get my ticket :) [17:37] hehe [17:50] evening all [17:51] yo magespawn [17:52] i saw something online connected with tor, some new project, but i cannot remember where or what it was called, trying the group mind as a last resort [17:54] vague i know but any suggestions/beatings will be appreciated [17:55] what is tor magespawn ? [17:56] an annoymous browser [17:57] hehe [17:57] TOR is horribly slow [17:57] but it works well for what it does [17:57] i remember gmail thinking i had logged in from Czechoslovakia :) [17:57] brb [18:00] i do not notice too much of a difference [18:01] how big is the download magespawn ? [18:04] nm ill use data on that android goodie rather [18:05] not too big, i think, but i forget [18:05] the fly fights me when i try install tarballs [18:07] i got that android adv just about going [18:07] avd? [18:09] it comes in a zip file that once unzipped you run it from there [18:10] oh ok will look at it ty [18:13] 35 meg [18:17] everthing is self contained [18:21] well it works, but takes a while to open with all the setting up [18:22] good evening [18:22] but i actually dont need to be annonimous because mostly browse for help stuff [18:22] Kilos: you should really not be installing tarballs [18:23] hi inetpro [18:23] it opens without installing inetpro [18:23] but the android thing did [18:23] what is it? [18:23] so whip me [18:23] what is what? [18:24] that you're trying to run? [18:24] inetpro tor [18:24] ai! [18:24] why? === Trixar_za is now known as Trix[a]r_za [18:24] android avd i think its called [18:24] wanna try gets whatsapp working here [18:24] hmm... [18:25] oh you meant tor [18:25] Kilos: forget it [18:25] i just mentioned it conection with something else i was looking for [18:25] whew after all that data [18:25] forget what tor or android [18:25] why forget it? [18:26] see magespawn i have to be careful [18:26] when the pro dont bomb me the fly does [18:27] why do you need whatsapp anyway? [18:28] well ian uses it because it dont eat cell battery like mxit [18:28] when you already have skype, facebook, gtalk and bbm [18:28] no skype man [18:28] and no bbm [18:28] ai! [18:28] and facebook sucks [18:29] whatsapp on pidgin would be cool [18:30] whatsapp and gtalk is exactly the same thing, only difference being that whatsapp is restricted to mobile to mobile, and that really sucks [18:30] you can run it in an android emulator [18:31] but majot thinking needed [18:31] major [18:31] i see Kilos, but they are just looking out for you( i think). [18:32] yeah magespawn i darent say eish or ai! then im asked what i broke now [18:32] hee hee [18:32] :-) [18:32] inetpro what is wrong with tor? [18:33] magespawn: why would you want to use it? [18:34] no particular reason was just reading several blog posts about the nsa etc so privacy came up [18:34] privacy? hmm... what privacy? [18:35] surfing privacy [18:36] there's no such thing these days and tor is IMHO not really worth it [18:36] oh wait get it, as in we we have none [18:36] unless you have something to hide [18:36] everybody has something to hide [18:36] inetpro, he wants to hide his financial position [18:37] uh [18:37] they got an increase [18:37] hehe [18:37] magespawn: you use gmail? [18:37] google knows... [18:37] poor wife slaves and mage spends [18:37] what financial postion? in the toilet? [18:37] hah if only that was true [18:37] all the time inetpro [18:38] ahh, you see [18:38] magespawn: you are the weakest link [18:38] good bye [18:38] haha [18:38] google knows all about you [18:39] i am easy with that, what i do not want people to know i do not tell them [18:40] then why use tor? [18:40] wont it use more data bouncing around first [18:41] i don't, just read about it and tried it,thats all [18:41] ahh [18:42] inetpro, ou papie het maaz reggemaak [18:42] jy moet dankie se [18:42] was actually looking for some other piece of randomly connected info that i read in connection with tor, but cannot remember where or what, called something like tortallion or something [18:43] vague i know, scroll [18:43] cocooncrash: thanks for fixing Maaz [18:43] Kilos: mooi, dankie [18:44] ek sien hy het hom reggemaak so net voor 2:00 vanoggend [18:44] ai! [18:47] so we got coffee in 4 mins again [18:47] yay [18:48] Maaz, coffee on [18:48] * Maaz starts grinding coffee [18:48] Maaz: coffee please [18:48] inetpro: Sure [18:48] Maaz, hurry [18:48] Making decent coffee is an art Kilos and should never be rushed [18:48] Maaz coffee please [18:48] magespawn: Done [18:48] its near bed time for ballies [18:48] Maaz large [18:48] In a beer mug just for you magespawn [18:49] shame the poor bot is so corrupted [18:49] now if i could just get the wife to do it like that too [18:49] maybe she thinks the same about me [18:49] haha i use beer mugs [18:50] magespawn: shame [18:50] Maaz, larger [18:50] inna bucket for you Kilos [18:50] make coffee on demand [18:50] now go make her a cup [18:50] or tell her maaz made her some [18:50] already on it, kettle is on [18:52] Coffee's ready for Kilos, inetpro and magespawn! [18:52] Maaz: danke [18:52] Bitteschön [18:52] Maaz, gracias [18:52] Kilos: ¡de nada! [18:53] Maaz botsnack [18:53] Thank you thank you, munch munch chomp chomp [18:55] night guys, have a nice night and sleep warm [18:57] night Kiloe [18:57] Kilos [19:49] good night all [19:49] cya