[06:38] <sakhi> Morning
[06:40] <Kilos> morning superfly  and others
[07:27] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 SilverCode mazal 
[07:27] <Kilos> morning maiatoday 
[07:27] <Kilos> wb
[07:28] <mazal> Morning all
[07:37] <Vince-0> heyo!
[07:37] <Vince-0> disconnects...
[08:04] <inetpro> good moring everyone
[08:05] <inetpro> oh and hi Kilos
[08:05] <Kilos> morning inetpro 
[08:15] <Kilos> hi psyatw 
[08:17] <psyatw> hi KIlos
[08:17] <psyatw> hi Vince-0
[08:42] <psyatw> http://www.ubuntu.com/phone
[08:42] <psyatw> I´m looking forward to seeing how that works
[09:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> hello peeps
[09:42] <Squirm> 'lo
[09:52] <mazal> Any smart guys around ?
[09:53] <mazal> I have installed Ubuntu to my external hdd ( 13.04 , want to have the same os with same docs and mail and all both at work and at home)
[09:54] <mazal> At home , it works , but at work I get to the login and when I log in I only see the desktop. No launcher , no top tray or system area
[09:55] <mazal> Instinct tell me it can be graphics drivers maybe ? At home , where it was installed , Nvidia's proprierty drivers was installed.
[09:55] <Kilos> ai!
[09:55] <mazal> So now I think it's those drivers not working at the work pc
[09:55] <Kilos> yip
[09:55] <mazal> Back at home I tried to deselect that driver in " additional drivers " section , but ubuntu refuse to deselect it
[09:55] <Kilos> i read somewhere that happened because of graphics driver
[09:56] <mazal> Any ideas ?
[09:56] <Kilos> are the graphics cards different
[09:56] <mazal> Is there a manual way to remove the nvidia proprietary driver ?
[09:56] <mazal> Yes they are Kilos 
[09:56] <Kilos> both nvidia?
[09:57] <mazal> Nope , ati at work
[09:57] <Kilos> ai!
[09:57] <Kilos> ubuntu not very ati friendly
[09:57] <mazal> It might also be an ATI 13.04 thing.
[09:57] <Squirm> Kilos: ATI supplies drivers for Ubuntu
[09:58] <mazal> I remember when I installed 13.04 for first time at home I had to remove ati card and install nvidia card
[09:58] <Squirm> I use them, they're not that great though
[09:58] <mazal> ATI's drivers didn't work at all on my ati card at home
[09:59] <mazal> Now I think that if I remove the nvidia drivers that ubuntu can work in a default state without screen drivers and might work on both with it's own built-in drivers ? Like when you first install ?
[09:59] <Kilos> yeah nouveau driver
[10:00] <mazal> But I dunno how to get the nvidia one off
[10:00] <Kilos> Maaz, google 13.04 no launcher or top panel with ATI graphics card
[10:00] <Maaz> Kilos: "unity - Launcher and panel missing [ubuntu 13.04] - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/288235/launcher-and-panel-missing-ubuntu-13-04 :: "Ubuntu 12.10 shows no launcher or menu - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/208346/ubuntu-12-10-shows-no-launcher-or-menu :: "Unity doesn't load, no Launcher, no Dash appears - Ask Ubuntu"
[10:00] <Maaz> http://askubuntu.com/questions/17381/unity-doesnt-load-no-launcher-no-dash-appears :: "After upgrading to…
[10:00] <Kilos> nope
[10:01] <Kilos> apt-get remove
[10:01] <Kilos> what are you using nvidia-173-extras
[10:02] <mazal> Can't remember oom , and can't boot it here to see
[10:02] <mazal> It was one of the "tested" ones
[10:03] <Kilos> most likely 173 or 173-extra
[10:03] <Kilos> hi Squirm help the poor man
[10:04] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[10:04] <mazal> Oom Kilos the list of problems have been getting so long I had to install win this weekend in dual-boot just to get work done :-( Now this problem also
[10:05] <Kilos> when it boots to that blank screen ctrl+alt=f2 to get prompts
[10:05] <mazal> Suddenly this weekend video editing also started giving issues
[10:05] <Kilos> eish
[10:05] <mazal> Had to boot 12.04 to get that done. I am running 3 os's now :-(
[10:05] <Kilos> ai!
[10:06] <Kilos> you gotta try get to kde im sure it has more tools
[10:11] <mazal> Very last time I install these middle releases. from 14.04 gonna stay on LTS and hope it goes better
[10:12] <Kilos> are you in the prompt?
[10:12] <Kilos> at
[10:14] <mazal> I can't Kilos , I will have to shut down and boot that broken one , then I can't get on here
[10:14] <Kilos> ah
[10:14] <mazal> You have a way to remove the driver in cli ?
[10:15] <Kilos> because after ctrl+alt+f2 you can remove nvidia from the terminal
[10:15] <mazal> Uhm , ok lemme see if I can boot it on another pc
[10:16] <Kilos> also on that blank screen you can ctrl+alf+t for a terminal
[10:16] <Kilos> ctrl+alt+t
[10:19] <Kilos> then you can lspci and it will show the card in the machine
[10:19] <mazal> busy booting
[10:20] <mazal> Ok , I'm in terminal
[10:20] <mazal> How to remove nvidia drivers ?
[10:21] <Kilos> apt-get remove nvidia-173 i hope
[10:21] <Kilos> if you used that one
[10:21] <mazal> Ish , you hope :-P
[10:22] <Kilos> ya man you must know which one you used
[10:22] <Kilos> hehe
[10:22] <mazal> Wait I was able to get to " additional drivers "
[10:23] <mazal> It's actually using ATI open source tested. It automatically changed to that it seems
[10:23] <mazal> So it's the same &^%$*&$%^$ ati thing I had at home grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[10:23] <Kilos> ok activate
[10:23] <mazal> It's won't work on this pc :-(
[10:23] <Kilos> oh my
[10:23] <Kilos> ok you know the card?
[10:24] <mazal> Check how stupid this is , that drivers is marked , but it says " no proprietry driver in use "
[10:24] <Kilos> maybe one can get the drivers from ati
[10:24] <Kilos> its maybe not activated
[10:25] <mazal> And I know for a fact the other two listed won't work as those two broke my system so bad the last time I had to re-install
[10:25] <Kilos> but you can do aptitude reinstall driver if you have its particulars
[10:25] <Kilos> ai!
[10:26] <Kilos> you'll have to wait for a clever geek to help you
[10:27] <mazal> Thanx for trying oom , at least now I know 13.04 can't do what I need
[10:27] <Kilos> mazal, dont the nouveau drivers work
[10:28] <mazal> Nouveau doesn't even show here as it's not nvidia
[10:28] <Kilos> uninstall ati and nvidia and use nouveau
[10:28] <Kilos> no its in synaptic youll find it
[10:28] <Kilos> you can also remove the nvidia and ati drivers from there
[10:29] <Kilos> just cli synaptic
[10:31] <mazal> I hope 13.10 and 14.04 works with ati , then I'll try and work this way again. For now will just use two different os's
[10:31] <Kilos> get the company to get some nvidia cards
[10:32] <mazal> Oi , oom jy praat van 6 maande se werk
[10:32] <Kilos> or even try the onboard socket
[10:33] <Kilos> cant remember you might need to remove the graphics card though
[10:39] <mazal> Gotta shut down , gonna try the onboard thing
[10:42] <Kilos> wb maiatoday 
[10:42] <maiatoday> ty Kilos
[10:54] <mazal> No-go oom Kilos , onboard intel also don't work
[10:54] <Kilos> eish
[10:54] <Kilos> skuus man
[10:55] <Kilos> what does additional drivers show there
[11:10] <mazal> If I wasn't so g@tvol of re-installing os's I would have gone back to 12.04 with this main os also
[11:11] <mazal> But I already did 4 the last week or so
[11:14] <Kilos> ai!
[12:33] <magespawn> afternoon all
[12:34] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[12:36] <Kilos> Maaz, seen banlam
[12:36] <Maaz> Kilos: banlam was last seen 6 months, 15 days, 18 hours, 12 minutes and 26 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2013-01-21 20:23:38 SAST], and has been offline on freenode since 2013-08-03 08:35:23 SAST
[12:36] <Kilos> Maaz, seen bakuman
[12:36] <Maaz> Kilos: bakuman was last seen 3 months, 13 days, 21 hours, 39 minutes and 28 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2013-04-23 16:56:48 SAST], and has been offline on freenode since 2013-08-03 08:36:23 SAST
[12:36] <Kilos> sjoe
[12:48] <mazal> Bye everyone , have a good evening
[13:20] <SilverCode> yay, finally managed to fix my tmux issues
[13:21] <Kilos> at least someone is winning today
[13:28] <inetpro> SilverCode: what tmux issues?
[13:40] <SilverCode> inetpro: the first was "dirty" screens. As the window scrolled up, lines wouldn't clear properly
[13:40] <SilverCode> inetpro: turned out to be using the wrong term
[13:41] <SilverCode> inetpro: the second was Shift+Fn keys not being passed through correctly
[13:41] <SilverCode> now if only I could solve my KMail problems
[13:41] <inetpro> SilverCode: you using tmux directly or via byobu?
[13:42] <SilverCode> inetpro: byobu?
[13:43] <inetpro> see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byobu_%28software%29
[13:45] <SilverCode> ah, in that case, using tmux directly
[13:46] <SilverCode> although byobu looks interesting
[13:47] <inetpro> it is very useful indeed
[13:49]  * inetpro still prefers GNU screen for the backend
[13:49] <inetpro> merely because that is what I'm used to
[14:10] <Kilos> yo Squirm Trixar_za 
[14:10] <Trixar_za> Hey Kilos
[14:10] <Trixar_za> I just redid the znc for them
[14:10] <Kilos> whats a znc?
[14:11] <Trixar_za> a bouncer client - it idles online and keeps messages or logs while you're free to disconnect
[14:12] <Kilos> for who did you do this?
[14:12] <Kilos> slitaz?
[14:18] <Trixar_za> Squirm and me mostly
[14:18] <Kilos> ah
[14:18] <Kilos> you mean on here Trixar_za ?
[14:20] <Trixar_za> Yeah and a few other networks. Squirm uses it with 3 networks
[14:20] <Kilos> cool
[14:21] <Kilos> easier for me to just ask what i missed
[14:21] <Kilos> hehe
[14:23] <Kilos> SilverCode, kmail really sucks. i couldnt get it even to start up and the fly also said he used thunderbird because it was so bad
[14:27] <Kilos> but evolution works well on unity and kde
[14:27] <Kilos> in 12.04 that is
[14:29] <Kilos> inetpro, do you use kmail?
[14:30]  * inetpro been a happy user of Thunderbird for like ever
[14:31] <Kilos> yuk
[14:47] <Xethron> Greetings
[14:47] <Squirm> better
[15:37] <Kilos> yo neelsie
[15:38]  * Kilos greets Cantide too
[15:38] <nlsthzn> o/ uncle Kilos
[15:54] <Cantide> hello Kilos et al :)
[15:54] <nlsthzn> \o
[15:55] <Cantide> o/
[16:04] <Kilos> Cantide, when you going?
[16:20] <Squirm> busy putting together a collection of my better flying
[16:20] <Squirm> going to use it for advertising
[16:20] <Squirm> my little Dual Core probably isn't ideal for video editing, but oh well
[17:37] <Cantide> Kilos, i don't know just yet :p
[17:37] <Cantide> still working on that '-'
[17:37] <Cantide> but you can be sure i will let you know when i get my ticket :)
[17:37] <Kilos> hehe
[17:50] <magespawn> evening all
[17:51] <Kilos> yo magespawn 
[17:52] <magespawn> i saw something online connected with tor, some new project, but i cannot remember where or what it was called, trying the group mind as a last resort
[17:54] <magespawn> vague i know but any suggestions/beatings will be appreciated
[17:55] <Kilos> what is tor magespawn ?
[17:56] <magespawn> an annoymous browser
[17:57] <Kilos> hehe
[17:57] <Cantide> TOR is horribly slow
[17:57] <Cantide> but it works well for what it does
[17:57] <Cantide> i remember gmail thinking i had logged in from Czechoslovakia :)
[17:57] <Cantide> brb
[18:00] <magespawn> i do not notice too much of a difference
[18:01] <Kilos> how big is the download magespawn ?
[18:04] <Kilos> nm ill use data on that android goodie rather
[18:05] <magespawn> not too big, i think, but i forget
[18:05] <Kilos> the fly fights me when i try install tarballs
[18:07] <Kilos> i got that android adv just about going
[18:07] <Kilos> avd?
[18:09] <magespawn> it comes in a zip file that once unzipped you run it from there
[18:10] <Kilos> oh ok will look at it ty
[18:13] <Kilos> 35 meg
[18:17] <magespawn> everthing is self contained
[18:21] <Kilos> well it works, but takes a while to open with all the setting up
[18:22] <inetpro> good evening
[18:22] <Kilos> but i actually dont need to be annonimous because mostly browse for help stuff
[18:22] <inetpro> Kilos: you should really not be installing tarballs
[18:23] <Kilos> hi inetpro 
[18:23] <Kilos> it opens without installing inetpro 
[18:23] <Kilos> but the android thing did
[18:23] <inetpro> what is it?
[18:23] <Kilos> so whip me
[18:23] <Kilos> what is what?
[18:24] <inetpro> that you're trying to run?
[18:24] <magespawn> inetpro tor
[18:24] <inetpro> ai!
[18:24] <inetpro> why?
[18:24] <Kilos> android avd i think its called
[18:24] <Kilos> wanna try gets whatsapp working here
[18:24] <inetpro> hmm...
[18:25] <Kilos> oh you meant tor
[18:25] <inetpro> Kilos: forget it
[18:25] <magespawn> i just mentioned it conection with something else i was looking for
[18:25] <Kilos> whew after all that data
[18:25] <Kilos> forget what tor or android
[18:25] <magespawn> why forget it?
[18:26] <Kilos> see magespawn i have to be careful
[18:26] <Kilos> when the pro dont bomb me the fly does
[18:27] <inetpro> why do you need whatsapp anyway?
[18:28] <Kilos> well ian uses it because it dont eat cell battery like mxit
[18:28] <inetpro> when you already have skype, facebook, gtalk and bbm
[18:28] <Kilos> no skype man
[18:28] <Kilos> and no bbm
[18:28] <inetpro> ai!
[18:28] <Kilos> and facebook sucks
[18:29] <Kilos> whatsapp on pidgin would be cool
[18:30] <inetpro> whatsapp and gtalk is exactly the same thing, only difference being that whatsapp is restricted to mobile to mobile, and that really sucks
[18:30] <Kilos> you can run it in an android emulator
[18:31] <Kilos> but majot thinking needed
[18:31] <Kilos> major
[18:31] <magespawn> i see Kilos, but they are just looking out for you( i think).
[18:32] <Kilos> yeah magespawn i darent say eish or ai! then im asked what i broke now
[18:32] <Kilos> hee hee
[18:32] <inetpro> :-)
[18:32] <magespawn> inetpro what is wrong with tor?
[18:33] <inetpro> magespawn: why would you want to use it?
[18:34] <magespawn> no particular reason was just reading several blog posts about the nsa etc so privacy came up
[18:34] <inetpro> privacy? hmm... what privacy?
[18:35] <magespawn> surfing privacy
[18:36] <inetpro> there's no such thing these days and tor is IMHO not really worth it
[18:36] <magespawn> oh wait get it, as in we we have none
[18:36] <inetpro> unless you have something to hide
[18:36] <magespawn> everybody has something to hide
[18:36] <Kilos> inetpro, he wants to hide his financial position
[18:37] <inetpro> uh
[18:37] <Kilos> they got an increase
[18:37] <Kilos> hehe
[18:37] <inetpro> magespawn: you use gmail?
[18:37] <tonberry352_> google knows...
[18:37] <Kilos> poor wife slaves and mage spends
[18:37] <magespawn> what financial postion? in the toilet?
[18:37] <magespawn> hah if only that was true
[18:37] <magespawn> all the time inetpro
[18:38] <inetpro> ahh, you see
[18:38] <inetpro> magespawn: you are the weakest link
[18:38] <inetpro> good bye
[18:38] <Kilos> haha
[18:38] <Kilos> google knows all about you
[18:39] <magespawn> i am easy with that, what i do not want people to know i do not tell them
[18:40] <inetpro> then why use tor?
[18:40] <Kilos> wont it use more data bouncing around first
[18:41] <magespawn>  i don't, just read about it and tried it,thats all
[18:41] <inetpro> ahh
[18:42] <Kilos> inetpro, ou papie het maaz reggemaak
[18:42] <Kilos> jy moet dankie se
[18:42] <magespawn> was actually looking for some other piece of randomly connected info that i read in connection with tor, but cannot remember where or what, called something like tortallion or something
[18:43] <magespawn> vague i know, scroll
[18:43] <inetpro> cocooncrash: thanks for fixing Maaz
[18:43] <inetpro> Kilos: mooi, dankie
[18:44] <inetpro> ek sien hy het hom reggemaak so net voor 2:00 vanoggend
[18:44] <Kilos> ai!
[18:47] <Kilos> so we got coffee in 4 mins again
[18:47] <Kilos> yay
[18:48] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[18:48]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[18:48] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee please
[18:48] <Maaz> inetpro: Sure
[18:48] <Kilos> Maaz, hurry
[18:48] <Maaz> Making decent coffee is an art Kilos and should never be rushed
[18:48] <magespawn> Maaz coffee please
[18:48] <Maaz> magespawn: Done
[18:48] <Kilos> its near bed time for ballies
[18:48] <magespawn> Maaz large
[18:48] <Maaz> In a beer mug just for you magespawn
[18:49] <Kilos> shame the poor bot is so corrupted
[18:49] <magespawn> now if i could just get the wife to do it like that too
[18:49] <magespawn> maybe she thinks the same about me
[18:49] <Kilos> haha i use beer mugs
[18:50] <inetpro> magespawn: shame
[18:50] <Kilos> Maaz, larger
[18:50] <Maaz> inna bucket for you Kilos
[18:50] <magespawn> make coffee on demand
[18:50] <inetpro> now go make her a cup
[18:50] <Kilos> or tell her maaz made her some
[18:50] <magespawn> already on it, kettle is on
[18:52] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos, inetpro and magespawn!
[18:52] <inetpro> Maaz: danke
[18:52] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[18:52] <Kilos> Maaz, gracias
[18:52] <Maaz> Kilos: ¡de nada!
[18:53] <magespawn> Maaz botsnack
[18:53] <Maaz> Thank you thank you, munch munch chomp chomp
[18:55] <Kilos> night guys, have a nice night and sleep warm
[18:57] <magespawn> night Kiloe
[18:57] <magespawn> Kilos
[19:49] <magespawn> good night all
[19:49] <Vince-0> cya