| === HisaoNakai_ is now known as HisaoNakai | ||
| cub | smartboyhw, wasn't it you who posted https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+bugs?field.tag=ubuntu-studio here a couple of days ago? I'm not sure on how to go about to test things there. Any hints? | 11:40 |
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| smartboyhw | cub, no not me. | 12:30 |
| smartboyhw | And it's testcases NOT written. | 12:30 |
| smartboyhw | cub, of course you can help write these:P | 12:32 |
| cub | I wouldn't know where to begin so I focus on things I actually know so far. :P | 12:35 |
| smartboyhw | zequence, how do you think we can write testcases? | 12:36 |
| smartboyhw | Hey ttoine | 13:34 |
| ttoine | hello | 13:35 |
| smartboyhw | May I ask why are the items in the webshop that expensive?:P | 13:35 |
| ttoine | smartboyhw, ah you had a look | 13:35 |
| smartboyhw | ttoine, yeah madeinkobaia gave me the lin | 13:35 |
| ttoine | smartboyhw, it is the cheapest possible | 13:35 |
| smartboyhw | *link | 13:35 |
| smartboyhw | ttoine, :O | 13:35 |
| ttoine | for tshirt, madeinkobaia and zequence asked me to use a quality cotton | 13:36 |
| ttoine | but for the mug, it is the simplest product (there is only one mug on spreadshirt) | 13:36 |
| ttoine | and of course, I don"t had any comminsion | 13:37 |
| ttoine | commission | 13:37 |
| smartboyhw | ttoine, OK fine. | 13:37 |
| smartboyhw | When will it be ready for public? | 13:37 |
| ttoine | I don't know. zequence ordered some stuff to check the quality, I think we are waiting for his feedback | 13:37 |
| smartboyhw | ttoine, I heard he received his T-shirt already | 13:38 |
| smartboyhw | And here's madeinkobaia ! | 13:38 |
| madeinkobaia | Yeah ! | 13:38 |
| ttoine | smartboyhw, and what does he think about it ? | 13:39 |
| smartboyhw | ttoine, I forgotten, check this channel's backlog in irclogs.ubuntu.com plz (it should be yesterday or the day before yesterday) | 13:39 |
| cub | but the shop is live, right? Because I was about to place an order as well. | 13:39 |
| smartboyhw | cub, yeah, the shop's live | 13:40 |
| smartboyhw | So called private-preview:P | 13:40 |
| cub | sadly it's kind of those prices for quality shirts with print in Europe. At least when I had a look around for other purpose some time ago | 13:40 |
| smartboyhw | ttoine, question: Are the T-shirts made in China!? | 13:41 |
| smartboyhw | That should be cheaper:P | 13:41 |
| cub | ttoine, but how does it work with the site? I suppose they make some money of it, but it says on their homepage that each shop makes money too | 13:41 |
| ttoine | smartboyhw, I don't know. I think that spreadshirt is a UK company | 13:42 |
| ttoine | smartboyhw, I don't know how to use the channel backlog. I am not even sure that I have the right | 13:42 |
| smartboyhw | ttoine, everybody can use it | 13:43 |
| cub | http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/08/04/%23ubuntustudio-devel.html | 13:43 |
| cub | it's just a web page | 13:43 |
| ttoine | cub, this is a soft opening so we can test the merchandise | 13:43 |
| smartboyhw | Good job cub :) | 13:43 |
| cub | ttoine, could we easily add other sizes? There *could* be females wanting to buy US shirts. ;) | 13:44 |
| ttoine | but he doesn't speak about the product... | 13:44 |
| smartboyhw | cub, +1 | 13:44 |
| cub | oh it was probably not the same date as I pasted a link to, it was just the one I had open | 13:45 |
| ttoine | cub, you can select the size and color you want. at the moment, we don't have female shirt, but I can create them. first, I would like that madeinkobaia validate that it is possible | 13:45 |
| cub | No you can only select Medium as the smallest size | 13:45 |
| ttoine | I didn't see that... | 13:46 |
| ttoine | maybe it is because the drawings are too big for s | 13:46 |
| ttoine | or maybe, the size S is not available with the t-shirt used | 13:47 |
| cub | My thinking was that they for some reason consider Small as not-a-men's-shirt | 13:47 |
| cub | zequenceI got the Ubuntu Studio t-shirt today, and the mug is probably here already as well13:50 | 13:47 |
| cub | zequenceI'll take a picture once I get the chance13:50 | 13:47 |
| cub | zequencethe quality of the T-shirt is good, but I think we should offer a cheaper alternative too | 13:47 |
| cub | from http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/08/02/%23ubuntustudio-devel.html | 13:47 |
| ttoine | cub, available size depend on the type of shirt | 13:49 |
| cub | ok | 13:49 |
| ttoine | on spreadshirt, there are many brand of basic shirts, from different qualities | 13:49 |
| smartboyhw | Hmm, we can even find ttoine's address:O | 13:50 |
| smartboyhw | ttoine, Spreadshirt is actually German | 13:51 |
| smartboyhw | http://ubuntustudio.spreadshirt.fr/shop/imprint | 13:51 |
| ttoine | cub, thanks for the link. so the quality is good for the price, i guess | 13:51 |
| ttoine | smartboyhw, why do you speak about my address ? | 13:52 |
| cub | I rather pay a bit more for a shirt that survives the first wash than to have a sloppy tent after a couple of weeks | 13:52 |
| smartboyhw | ttoine, because you should use one that isn't your actual home address (or office address, but not meaning fake) | 13:52 |
| cub | ttoine, you are listed on the Legal Information page at spreadshirt | 13:52 |
| ttoine | ah, of course, yes | 13:53 |
| smartboyhw | This is particularly true for all designs found in the shop, as well as all elements used in designing the shop. | 13:53 |
| smartboyhw | .... | 13:53 |
| madeinkobaia | ttoine cub smartboyhw: I ask myself how ubuntu manage to sale their t-shirts around 13€. Someone could contact them and see if there is a possibility to use their sales platform. | 13:54 |
| smartboyhw | madeinkobaia, that would be ttoine or zequence | 13:54 |
| smartboyhw | :P | 13:54 |
| smartboyhw | I don't think we will be allowed to use their platform... | 13:54 |
| madeinkobaia | smartboyhw: For sure, or I can do it to. | 13:55 |
| smartboyhw | madeinkobaia, maybe | 13:55 |
| cub | Ubuntu probably got a good deal due to expected to sell large quantities | 13:55 |
| smartboyhw | Since Kubuntu has it | 13:55 |
| smartboyhw | But the Kubuntu items are discontinues | 13:55 |
| smartboyhw | And only available for sale | 13:55 |
| cub | If so, I want a http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=1006 with US logo. :P | 13:55 |
| ttoine | madeinkobaia, I already had a chat about that with them | 13:57 |
| ttoine | the difference is that they don't sell on shirt per month, as you can guess | 13:57 |
| ttoine | once you have volume, you can decrease the price by buying stock | 13:57 |
| ttoine | at the moment, it is done one by one | 13:57 |
| ttoine | and as smartboyhw it is not allowed to use their platform | 13:58 |
| madeinkobaia | ttoine: Ok, I understand now | 13:58 |
| madeinkobaia | ttoine: I didn't knew you already contacted them. | 13:58 |
| cub | I would rather not buy from the canonical.com either because of the hassle with customs and taxes | 13:59 |
| ttoine | madeinkobaia, how do you think I have the legal right to create US merchandise ? | 13:59 |
| ttoine | I have a signed agreement. It tooks monthes to get him... | 13:59 |
| ttoine | otherwise I wouldn't have spent (and you too, by the way) to create shirts and mugs | 14:00 |
| madeinkobaia | ttoine: US is don't supposed to be an "official" Ubuntu derivative. Its what I heard, maybe I am wrong in that case. | 14:01 |
| smartboyhw | madeinkobaia, it is an official Ubuntu derivative | 14:01 |
| cub | but not covered by the trademark | 14:01 |
| ttoine | by the way, if there are sales on the canonical shop it means that they are buying stock. We can't do that at the moment | 14:02 |
| ttoine | madeinkobaia, as we use the word "Ubuntu" it is mandaroty to have an agreement. It is not related to be an official distro. for example, Ubuntu-fr needs the same agreement to make french merchandise | 14:03 |
| ttoine | cub, Ubuntu Studio is a brand registered by Canonical. | 14:03 |
| cub | Are you sure? http://www.canonical.com/intellectual-property-policy | 14:04 |
| cub | Canonical’s Trademarks (registered in word and logo form) include: | 14:04 |
| cub | UBUNTUKUBUNTUEDUBUNTU | 14:04 |
| cub | XUBUNTUJUJULANDSCAPE | 14:04 |
| cub | UBUNTU EDGE | 14:04 |
| ttoine | actually, it is stated that any linux related stuff including the word Ubuntu is owned by Canonical | 14:04 |
| ttoine | Our brand is Ubuntu Studio. Ubuntu is registered, they don't need at all to register it | 14:04 |
| cub | Ubuntu is registered if used with the font and associated logo | 14:05 |
| smartboyhw | cub, there are Trademarks and Registered trademarks:P | 14:05 |
| cub | "ubuntu" is a word that existed long before Ubuntu | 14:05 |
| ttoine | cub, you are speaking about the drawings. I am speaking about the word itself | 14:05 |
| cub | I speaking about both | 14:05 |
| ttoine | cub, I think you don't know well trade rules and industrial properties ;-) | 14:06 |
| madeinkobaia | ttoine : http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu#Variantes_et_d.C3.A9riv.C3.A9es (its in french sorry) it is wrote "Les variantes reconnues par Canonical, mais non officielles sont :" in the list there is an error, as I see Ubuntu Studio in it. Its not the first time I read this ambiguous between "Official" and "Recognized". | 14:06 |
| smartboyhw | cub, but Ubuntu IS a trademark:P | 14:06 |
| smartboyhw | madeinkobaia, now wait a moment | 14:06 |
| ttoine | cub, I will not provide you with all the long emails chat I had with the legal and marketing teams of Canonical | 14:07 |
| ttoine | but I confirm that we need an agreement. | 14:07 |
| smartboyhw | madeinkobaia, there isn't "official" derivatives if you call Ubuntu Studio "recognized" derivatives | 14:07 |
| ttoine | even spreadshirt asked me to provide the agreement | 14:07 |
| cub | I believe you. I'm not convinced you can trademark an special word. | 14:08 |
| cub | "Ubuntu is an age-old African term for humaneness" | 14:08 |
| cub | anyways | 14:08 |
| ttoine | cub, you can register a word for an activity | 14:08 |
| madeinkobaia | ttoine : I trust your judgment about that, no worries. I think globally, that there is something not really clear about Ubuntu derivatives, official or not. | 14:09 |
| ttoine | ubuntu, when used around IT, Linux, PC, server and more around, is a registered trademark, and so, we cannot use it like we want. | 14:09 |
| ttoine | madeinkobaia, I agree, this is not clear enough | 14:09 |
| ttoine | cub, for example, ttoine is a registered trademark | 14:09 |
| smartboyhw | madeinkobaia, normally, official is recognized | 14:12 |
| smartboyhw | Ofc, some are more equal than others;P | 14:12 |
| ttoine | cub, an example like yours: Oracle is a place, or someone, to speak about the future. the fact is that when it is related to databases, you cannot use it for free. | 14:12 |
| cub | yes, when used in those areas. But it's not the word itself they "own". | 14:13 |
| cub | but as for the shop, will US get anything from the €20 per shirt? | 14:16 |
| smartboyhw | cub, I don't think so | 14:16 |
| smartboyhw | We don't even have a bank account lol | 14:16 |
| cub | As Spreadshirt slogan is "Create a design -> Upload your design -> Make money" | 14:18 |
| madeinkobaia | cub: I believe that ttoine knows what he done. They will be certainly benefits for Spreadshirt (its normal) but not for us, as there is no profit margin differential. | 14:20 |
| madeinkobaia | cub: So the price is for the production and the expedition. Now I also think its expensive but I don't know other systems who allow to not command products before sales. | 14:22 |
| cub | Yeah the Ubuntu Developer Summit is online nowadays so we don't need to sell loads of shirt to send zequence to the next meeting. ;) | 14:22 |
| cub | I think the price is standard for your own print on a quality shirt. If you buy a rock band shirt it's about the same cost and often they are crap after 2-3 washes. | 14:23 |
| madeinkobaia | For sure :( | 14:24 |
| smartboyhw | cub, LOL | 14:26 |
| ttoine | cub, sorry for the delay, I am at work | 14:36 |
| ttoine | We don't have any money on merchandising. the licence we have doesn"t allow it | 14:37 |
| cub | no worries, so am I. :D you read up when you can…or the next day from the logs during coffee breaks | 14:37 |
| ttoine | actually, we might provide a very poor quality shirt around 5€ I think | 14:38 |
| ttoine | but the cotton will be very cheap quality | 14:38 |
| cub | Do they have lots of other merc stuff? Like hoodies and beanie hats? | 14:38 |
| ttoine | we can do a lot of stuff | 14:38 |
| ttoine | but only one by one printing at the moment | 14:39 |
| cub | cool | 14:39 |
| ttoine | When we will have some turnaround on the shop, I will ask spreadshirt if they can add some drawings to the embroidery base | 14:41 |
| ttoine | so we can create baseball caps or other embroided stuff | 14:42 |
| cub | I wonder how many US users there are | 15:04 |
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