=== HisaoNakai_ is now known as HisaoNakai [11:40] smartboyhw, wasn't it you who posted https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+bugs?field.tag=ubuntu-studio here a couple of days ago? I'm not sure on how to go about to test things there. Any hints? [12:30] cub, no not me. [12:30] And it's testcases NOT written. [12:32] cub, of course you can help write these:P [12:35] I wouldn't know where to begin so I focus on things I actually know so far. :P [12:36] zequence, how do you think we can write testcases? [13:34] Hey ttoine [13:35] hello [13:35] May I ask why are the items in the webshop that expensive?:P [13:35] smartboyhw, ah you had a look [13:35] ttoine, yeah madeinkobaia gave me the lin [13:35] smartboyhw, it is the cheapest possible [13:35] *link [13:35] ttoine, :O [13:36] for tshirt, madeinkobaia and zequence asked me to use a quality cotton [13:36] but for the mug, it is the simplest product (there is only one mug on spreadshirt) [13:37] and of course, I don"t had any comminsion [13:37] commission [13:37] ttoine, OK fine. [13:37] When will it be ready for public? [13:37] I don't know. zequence ordered some stuff to check the quality, I think we are waiting for his feedback [13:38] ttoine, I heard he received his T-shirt already [13:38] And here's madeinkobaia ! [13:38] Yeah ! [13:39] smartboyhw, and what does he think about it ? [13:39] ttoine, I forgotten, check this channel's backlog in irclogs.ubuntu.com plz (it should be yesterday or the day before yesterday) [13:39] but the shop is live, right? Because I was about to place an order as well. [13:40] cub, yeah, the shop's live [13:40] So called private-preview:P [13:40] sadly it's kind of those prices for quality shirts with print in Europe. At least when I had a look around for other purpose some time ago [13:41] ttoine, question: Are the T-shirts made in China!? [13:41] That should be cheaper:P [13:41] ttoine, but how does it work with the site? I suppose they make some money of it, but it says on their homepage that each shop makes money too [13:42] smartboyhw, I don't know. I think that spreadshirt is a UK company [13:42] smartboyhw, I don't know how to use the channel backlog. I am not even sure that I have the right [13:43] ttoine, everybody can use it [13:43] http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/08/04/%23ubuntustudio-devel.html [13:43] it's just a web page [13:43] cub, this is a soft opening so we can test the merchandise [13:43] Good job cub :) [13:44] ttoine, could we easily add other sizes? There *could* be females wanting to buy US shirts. ;) [13:44] but he doesn't speak about the product... [13:44] cub, +1 [13:45] oh it was probably not the same date as I pasted a link to, it was just the one I had open [13:45] cub, you can select the size and color you want. at the moment, we don't have female shirt, but I can create them. first, I would like that madeinkobaia validate that it is possible [13:45] No you can only select Medium as the smallest size [13:46] I didn't see that... [13:46] maybe it is because the drawings are too big for s [13:47] or maybe, the size S is not available with the t-shirt used [13:47] My thinking was that they for some reason consider Small as not-a-men's-shirt [13:47] zequence I got the Ubuntu Studio t-shirt today, and the mug is probably here already as well 13:50 [13:47] zequence I'll take a picture once I get the chance 13:50 [13:47] zequence the quality of the T-shirt is good, but I think we should offer a cheaper alternative too [13:47] from http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/08/02/%23ubuntustudio-devel.html [13:49] cub, available size depend on the type of shirt [13:49] ok [13:49] on spreadshirt, there are many brand of basic shirts, from different qualities [13:50] Hmm, we can even find ttoine's address:O [13:51] ttoine, Spreadshirt is actually German [13:51] http://ubuntustudio.spreadshirt.fr/shop/imprint [13:51] cub, thanks for the link. so the quality is good for the price, i guess [13:52] smartboyhw, why do you speak about my address ? [13:52] I rather pay a bit more for a shirt that survives the first wash than to have a sloppy tent after a couple of weeks [13:52] ttoine, because you should use one that isn't your actual home address (or office address, but not meaning fake) [13:52] ttoine, you are listed on the Legal Information page at spreadshirt [13:53] ah, of course, yes [13:53] This is particularly true for all designs found in the shop, as well as all elements used in designing the shop. [13:53] .... [13:54] ttoine cub smartboyhw: I ask myself how ubuntu manage to sale their t-shirts around 13€. Someone could contact them and see if there is a possibility to use their sales platform. [13:54] madeinkobaia, that would be ttoine or zequence [13:54] :P [13:54] I don't think we will be allowed to use their platform... [13:55] smartboyhw: For sure, or I can do it to. [13:55] madeinkobaia, maybe [13:55] Ubuntu probably got a good deal due to expected to sell large quantities [13:55] Since Kubuntu has it [13:55] But the Kubuntu items are discontinues [13:55] And only available for sale [13:55] If so, I want a http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=1006 with US logo. :P [13:57] madeinkobaia, I already had a chat about that with them [13:57] the difference is that they don't sell on shirt per month, as you can guess [13:57] once you have volume, you can decrease the price by buying stock [13:57] at the moment, it is done one by one [13:58] and as smartboyhw it is not allowed to use their platform [13:58] ttoine: Ok, I understand now [13:58] ttoine: I didn't knew you already contacted them. [13:59] I would rather not buy from the canonical.com either because of the hassle with customs and taxes [13:59] madeinkobaia, how do you think I have the legal right to create US merchandise ? [13:59] I have a signed agreement. It tooks monthes to get him... [14:00] otherwise I wouldn't have spent (and you too, by the way) to create shirts and mugs [14:01] ttoine: US is don't supposed to be an "official" Ubuntu derivative. Its what I heard, maybe I am wrong in that case. [14:01] madeinkobaia, it is an official Ubuntu derivative [14:01] but not covered by the trademark [14:02] by the way, if there are sales on the canonical shop it means that they are buying stock. We can't do that at the moment [14:03] madeinkobaia, as we use the word "Ubuntu" it is mandaroty to have an agreement. It is not related to be an official distro. for example, Ubuntu-fr needs the same agreement to make french merchandise [14:03] cub, Ubuntu Studio is a brand registered by Canonical. [14:04] Are you sure? http://www.canonical.com/intellectual-property-policy [14:04] Canonical’s Trademarks (registered in word and logo form) include: [14:04] UBUNTU KUBUNTU EDUBUNTU [14:04] XUBUNTU JUJU LANDSCAPE [14:04] UBUNTU EDGE [14:04] actually, it is stated that any linux related stuff including the word Ubuntu is owned by Canonical [14:04] Our brand is Ubuntu Studio. Ubuntu is registered, they don't need at all to register it [14:05] Ubuntu is registered if used with the font and associated logo [14:05] cub, there are Trademarks and Registered trademarks:P [14:05] "ubuntu" is a word that existed long before Ubuntu [14:05] cub, you are speaking about the drawings. I am speaking about the word itself [14:05] I speaking about both [14:06] cub, I think you don't know well trade rules and industrial properties ;-) [14:06] ttoine : http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu#Variantes_et_d.C3.A9riv.C3.A9es (its in french sorry) it is wrote "Les variantes reconnues par Canonical, mais non officielles sont :" in the list there is an error, as I see Ubuntu Studio in it. Its not the first time I read this ambiguous between "Official" and "Recognized". [14:06] cub, but Ubuntu IS a trademark:P [14:06] madeinkobaia, now wait a moment [14:07] cub, I will not provide you with all the long emails chat I had with the legal and marketing teams of Canonical [14:07] but I confirm that we need an agreement. [14:07] madeinkobaia, there isn't "official" derivatives if you call Ubuntu Studio "recognized" derivatives [14:07] even spreadshirt asked me to provide the agreement [14:08] I believe you. I'm not convinced you can trademark an special word. [14:08] "Ubuntu is an age-old African term for humaneness" [14:08] anyways [14:08] cub, you can register a word for an activity [14:09] ttoine : I trust your judgment about that, no worries. I think globally, that there is something not really clear about Ubuntu derivatives, official or not. [14:09] ubuntu, when used around IT, Linux, PC, server and more around, is a registered trademark, and so, we cannot use it like we want. [14:09] madeinkobaia, I agree, this is not clear enough [14:09] cub, for example, ttoine is a registered trademark [14:12] madeinkobaia, normally, official is recognized [14:12] Ofc, some are more equal than others;P [14:12] cub, an example like yours: Oracle is a place, or someone, to speak about the future. the fact is that when it is related to databases, you cannot use it for free. [14:13] yes, when used in those areas. But it's not the word itself they "own". [14:16] but as for the shop, will US get anything from the €20 per shirt? [14:16] cub, I don't think so [14:16] We don't even have a bank account lol [14:18] As Spreadshirt slogan is "Create a design -> Upload your design -> Make money" [14:20] cub: I believe that ttoine knows what he done. They will be certainly benefits for Spreadshirt (its normal) but not for us, as there is no profit margin differential. [14:22] cub: So the price is for the production and the expedition. Now I also think its expensive but I don't know other systems who allow to not command products before sales. [14:22] Yeah the Ubuntu Developer Summit is online nowadays so we don't need to sell loads of shirt to send zequence to the next meeting. ;) [14:23] I think the price is standard for your own print on a quality shirt. If you buy a rock band shirt it's about the same cost and often they are crap after 2-3 washes. [14:24] For sure :( [14:26] cub, LOL [14:36] cub, sorry for the delay, I am at work [14:37] We don't have any money on merchandising. the licence we have doesn"t allow it [14:37] no worries, so am I. :D you read up when you can…or the next day from the logs during coffee breaks [14:38] actually, we might provide a very poor quality shirt around 5€ I think [14:38] but the cotton will be very cheap quality [14:38] Do they have lots of other merc stuff? Like hoodies and beanie hats? [14:38] we can do a lot of stuff [14:39] but only one by one printing at the moment [14:39] cool [14:41] When we will have some turnaround on the shop, I will ask spreadshirt if they can add some drawings to the embroidery base [14:42] so we can create baseball caps or other embroided stuff [15:04] I wonder how many US users there are