[11:40] <cub> smartboyhw, wasn't it you who posted https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+bugs?field.tag=ubuntu-studio here a couple of days ago? I'm not sure on how to go about to test things there. Any hints?
[12:30] <smartboyhw> cub, no not me.
[12:30] <smartboyhw> And it's testcases NOT written.
[12:32] <smartboyhw> cub, of course you can help write these:P
[12:35] <cub> I wouldn't know where to begin so I focus on things I actually know so far. :P
[12:36] <smartboyhw> zequence, how do you think we can write testcases?
[13:34] <smartboyhw> Hey ttoine 
[13:35] <ttoine> hello
[13:35] <smartboyhw> May I ask why are the items in the webshop that expensive?:P
[13:35] <ttoine> smartboyhw, ah you had a look
[13:35] <smartboyhw> ttoine, yeah madeinkobaia gave me the lin
[13:35] <ttoine> smartboyhw, it is the cheapest possible
[13:35] <smartboyhw> *link
[13:35] <smartboyhw> ttoine, :O
[13:36] <ttoine> for tshirt, madeinkobaia and zequence asked me to use a quality cotton
[13:36] <ttoine> but for the mug, it is the simplest product (there is only one mug on spreadshirt)
[13:37] <ttoine> and of course, I don"t had any comminsion
[13:37] <ttoine> commission
[13:37] <smartboyhw> ttoine, OK fine.
[13:37] <smartboyhw> When will it be ready for public?
[13:37] <ttoine> I don't know. zequence ordered some stuff to check the quality, I think we are waiting for his feedback
[13:38] <smartboyhw> ttoine, I heard he received his T-shirt already
[13:38] <smartboyhw> And here's madeinkobaia !
[13:38] <madeinkobaia> Yeah !
[13:39] <ttoine> smartboyhw, and what does he think about it ?
[13:39] <smartboyhw> ttoine, I forgotten, check this channel's backlog in irclogs.ubuntu.com plz (it should be yesterday or the day before yesterday)
[13:39] <cub> but the shop is live, right? Because I was about to place an order as well.
[13:40] <smartboyhw> cub, yeah, the shop's live
[13:40] <smartboyhw> So called private-preview:P
[13:40] <cub> sadly it's kind of those prices for quality shirts with print in Europe. At least when I had a look around for other purpose some time ago
[13:41] <smartboyhw> ttoine, question: Are the T-shirts made in China!?
[13:41] <smartboyhw> That should be cheaper:P
[13:41] <cub> ttoine, but how does it work with the site? I suppose they make some money of it, but it says on their homepage that each shop makes money too
[13:42] <ttoine> smartboyhw, I don't know. I think that spreadshirt is a UK company
[13:42] <ttoine> smartboyhw, I don't know how to use the channel backlog. I am not even sure that I have the right
[13:43] <smartboyhw> ttoine, everybody can use it
[13:43] <cub> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/08/04/%23ubuntustudio-devel.html
[13:43] <cub> it's just a web page
[13:43] <ttoine> cub, this is a soft opening so we can test the merchandise
[13:43] <smartboyhw> Good job cub :)
[13:44] <cub> ttoine, could we easily add other sizes? There *could* be females wanting to buy US shirts. ;)
[13:44] <ttoine> but he doesn't speak about the product...
[13:44] <smartboyhw> cub, +1
[13:45] <cub> oh it was probably not the same date as I pasted a link to, it was just the one I had open
[13:45] <ttoine> cub, you can select the size and color you want. at the moment, we don't have female shirt, but I can create them. first, I would like that madeinkobaia validate that it is possible
[13:45] <cub> No you can only select Medium as the smallest size
[13:46] <ttoine> I didn't see that...
[13:46] <ttoine> maybe it is because the drawings are too big for s
[13:47] <ttoine> or maybe, the size S is not available with the t-shirt used
[13:47] <cub> My thinking was that they for some reason consider Small as not-a-men's-shirt
[13:47] <cub> zequence	I got the Ubuntu Studio t-shirt today, and the mug is probably here already as well	13:50
[13:47] <cub> zequence	I'll take a picture once I get the chance	13:50
[13:47] <cub> zequence	the quality of the T-shirt is good, but I think we should offer a cheaper alternative too
[13:47] <cub> from http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/08/02/%23ubuntustudio-devel.html
[13:49] <ttoine> cub, available size depend on the type of shirt
[13:49] <cub> ok
[13:49] <ttoine> on spreadshirt, there are many brand of basic shirts, from different qualities
[13:50] <smartboyhw> Hmm, we can even find ttoine's address:O
[13:51] <smartboyhw> ttoine, Spreadshirt is actually German
[13:51] <smartboyhw> http://ubuntustudio.spreadshirt.fr/shop/imprint
[13:51] <ttoine> cub, thanks for the link. so the quality is good for the price, i guess
[13:52] <ttoine> smartboyhw, why do you speak about my address ?
[13:52] <cub> I rather pay a bit more for a shirt that survives the first wash than to have a sloppy tent after a couple of weeks
[13:52] <smartboyhw> ttoine, because you should use one that isn't your actual home address (or office address, but not meaning fake)
[13:52] <cub> ttoine, you are listed on the Legal Information page at spreadshirt
[13:53] <ttoine> ah, of course, yes
[13:53] <smartboyhw> This is particularly true for all designs found in the shop, as well as all elements used in designing the shop. 
[13:53] <smartboyhw> ....
[13:54] <madeinkobaia> ttoine cub smartboyhw: I ask myself how ubuntu manage to sale their t-shirts around 13€. Someone could contact them and see if there is a possibility to use their sales platform.
[13:54] <smartboyhw> madeinkobaia, that would be ttoine or zequence 
[13:54] <smartboyhw> :P
[13:54] <smartboyhw> I don't think we will be allowed to use their platform...
[13:55] <madeinkobaia> smartboyhw: For sure, or I can do it to.
[13:55] <smartboyhw> madeinkobaia, maybe
[13:55] <cub> Ubuntu probably got a good deal due to expected to sell large quantities
[13:55] <smartboyhw> Since Kubuntu has it
[13:55] <smartboyhw> But the Kubuntu items are discontinues
[13:55] <smartboyhw> And only available for sale
[13:55] <cub> If so, I want a http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=1006 with US logo. :P
[13:57] <ttoine> madeinkobaia, I already had a chat about that with them
[13:57] <ttoine> the difference is that they don't sell on shirt per month, as you can guess
[13:57] <ttoine> once you have volume, you can decrease the price by buying stock
[13:57] <ttoine> at the moment, it is done one by one
[13:58] <ttoine> and as smartboyhw it is not allowed to use their platform
[13:58] <madeinkobaia> ttoine: Ok, I understand now
[13:58] <madeinkobaia> ttoine: I didn't knew you already contacted them.
[13:59] <cub> I would rather not buy from the canonical.com either because of the hassle with customs and taxes
[13:59] <ttoine> madeinkobaia, how do you think I have the legal right to create US merchandise ?
[13:59] <ttoine> I have a signed agreement. It tooks monthes to get him...
[14:00] <ttoine> otherwise I wouldn't have spent (and you too, by the way) to create shirts and mugs
[14:01] <madeinkobaia> ttoine: US is don't supposed to be an "official" Ubuntu derivative. Its what I heard, maybe I am wrong in that case.
[14:01] <smartboyhw> madeinkobaia, it is an official Ubuntu derivative
[14:01] <cub> but not covered by the trademark
[14:02] <ttoine> by the way, if there are sales on the canonical shop it means that they are buying stock. We can't do that at the moment
[14:03] <ttoine> madeinkobaia, as we use the word "Ubuntu" it is mandaroty to have an agreement. It is not related to be an official distro. for example, Ubuntu-fr needs the same agreement to make french merchandise
[14:03] <ttoine> cub, Ubuntu Studio is a brand registered by Canonical.
[14:04] <cub> Are you sure? http://www.canonical.com/intellectual-property-policy
[14:04] <cub> Canonical’s Trademarks (registered in word and logo form) include:
[14:04] <cub> UBUNTU	KUBUNTU	EDUBUNTU
[14:04] <cub> XUBUNTU	JUJU	LANDSCAPE
[14:04] <cub> UBUNTU EDGE
[14:04] <ttoine> actually, it is stated that any linux related stuff including the word Ubuntu is owned by  Canonical
[14:04] <ttoine> Our brand is Ubuntu Studio. Ubuntu is registered, they don't need at all to register it
[14:05] <cub> Ubuntu is registered if used with the font and associated logo
[14:05] <smartboyhw> cub, there are Trademarks and Registered trademarks:P
[14:05] <cub> "ubuntu" is a word that existed long before Ubuntu
[14:05] <ttoine> cub, you are speaking about the drawings. I am speaking about the word itself
[14:05] <cub> I speaking about both
[14:06] <ttoine> cub, I think you don't know well trade rules and industrial properties ;-)
[14:06] <madeinkobaia> ttoine : http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu#Variantes_et_d.C3.A9riv.C3.A9es (its in french sorry) it is wrote "Les variantes reconnues par Canonical, mais non officielles sont :" in the list there is an error, as I see Ubuntu Studio in it. Its not the first time I read this ambiguous between "Official" and "Recognized".
[14:06] <smartboyhw> cub, but Ubuntu IS a trademark:P
[14:06] <smartboyhw> madeinkobaia, now wait a moment
[14:07] <ttoine> cub,  I will not provide you with all the long emails chat I had with the legal and marketing teams of Canonical
[14:07] <ttoine> but I confirm that we need an agreement.
[14:07] <smartboyhw> madeinkobaia, there isn't "official" derivatives if you call Ubuntu Studio "recognized" derivatives
[14:07] <ttoine> even spreadshirt asked me to provide the agreement
[14:08] <cub> I believe you. I'm not convinced you can trademark an special word.
[14:08] <cub> "Ubuntu is an age-old African term for humaneness"
[14:08] <cub> anyways
[14:08] <ttoine> cub, you can register a word for an activity
[14:09] <madeinkobaia> ttoine : I trust your judgment about that, no worries. I think globally, that there is something not really clear about Ubuntu derivatives, official or not.
[14:09] <ttoine> ubuntu, when used around IT, Linux, PC, server and more around, is a registered trademark, and so, we cannot use it like we want.
[14:09] <ttoine> madeinkobaia, I agree, this is not clear enough
[14:09] <ttoine> cub, for example, ttoine is a registered trademark
[14:12] <smartboyhw> madeinkobaia, normally, official is recognized
[14:12] <smartboyhw> Ofc, some are more equal than others;P
[14:12] <ttoine> cub, an example like yours: Oracle is a place, or someone, to speak about the future. the fact is that when it is related to databases, you cannot use it for free.
[14:13] <cub> yes, when used in those areas. But it's not the word itself they "own".
[14:16] <cub> but as for the shop, will US get anything from the €20 per shirt?
[14:16] <smartboyhw> cub, I don't think so
[14:16] <smartboyhw> We don't even have a bank account lol
[14:18] <cub> As Spreadshirt slogan is "Create a design -> Upload your design -> Make money"
[14:20] <madeinkobaia> cub: I believe that ttoine knows what he done. They will be certainly benefits for Spreadshirt (its normal) but not for us, as there is no profit margin differential.
[14:22] <madeinkobaia> cub: So the price is for the production and the expedition. Now I also think its expensive but I don't know other systems who allow to not command products before sales.
[14:22] <cub> Yeah the Ubuntu Developer Summit is online nowadays so we don't need to sell loads of shirt to send zequence to the next meeting. ;)
[14:23] <cub> I think the price is standard for your own print on a quality shirt. If you buy a rock band shirt it's about the same cost and often they are crap after 2-3 washes.
[14:24] <madeinkobaia> For sure :(
[14:26] <smartboyhw> cub, LOL
[14:36] <ttoine> cub, sorry for the delay, I am at work
[14:37] <ttoine> We don't have any money on merchandising. the licence we have doesn"t allow it
[14:37] <cub> no worries, so am I. :D you read up when you can…or the next day from the logs during coffee breaks
[14:38] <ttoine> actually, we might provide a very poor quality shirt around 5€ I think
[14:38] <ttoine> but the cotton will be very cheap quality
[14:38] <cub> Do they have lots of other merc stuff? Like hoodies and beanie hats?
[14:38] <ttoine> we can do a lot of stuff
[14:39] <ttoine> but only one by one printing at the moment
[14:39] <cub> cool
[14:41] <ttoine> When we will have some turnaround on the shop, I will ask spreadshirt if they can add some drawings to the embroidery base
[14:42] <ttoine> so we can create baseball caps or other embroided stuff
[15:04] <cub> I wonder how many US users there are