| crankharder | I dont think .override files would work since there may not be an original service to override | 00:01 |
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| gQuigs | is it planned to recommend removing the symlinks from /etc/init.d/ at some point? | 15:05 |
| gQuigs | In 12.04, the networking upstart service is almost nothing. while the init.d job is real, then in raring it's a symlink to the upstart job. then in saucy it appears to be back as a real init.d job... | 15:06 |
| gQuigs | basically, I've seen a number of users confused by how to do simple stuff like restarting networking.. | 15:09 |
| ajp | getting weird message: initctl: Rejected send message, 1 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.140" (uid=1000 pid=11332 comm="initctl start upstartPDF ") interface="com.ubuntu.Upstart0_6.Job" member="Start" error name="(unset)" requested_reply="0" destination="com.ubuntu.Upstart" (uid=0 pid=1 comm="/sbin/init") | 15:40 |
| ajp | when I try to run $: initctl start upstartPDF | 15:41 |
| ajp | can anyone tell me why? script here: http://pastebin.com/uiXkd901 | 15:42 |
| jodh | ajp: did you try Google? http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#strange-error-when-running-start-stop-restart-or-initctl-emit | 15:43 |
| jodh | ajp: you need to be root. | 15:43 |
| ajp | oh duh, thanks i'm going to retry | 15:43 |
| jodh | ajp: also, do you really need to run that job as root? if so, why does it live in a home directory? If it really must, you'll probably have to set 'env HOME=...' in the job. Better still, run it as a session job if you can. | 15:43 |
| ajp | the upstart script calls a bash script in the home folder that monitors a samba shared folder and converts large PDFs to small PDFS | 15:45 |
| ajp | it's on a headless server that hosts our file share and scans from the printers | 15:46 |
| ajp | not sure what you mean by session job | 15:46 |
| ajp | it was working at one point but now it doesn't work by default, not sure what's going on | 15:47 |
| ajp | jodh | 15:47 |
| jodh | ajp: if you are running Ubuntu, you'll need to be using Raring or newer to make use of Session Jobs: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#session-jobs | 15:49 |
| jodh | ajp: I'm just saying that running a program as root from a home directory is unusual. You may need to set variables (like $HOME) to make it work if that script calls other scripts for user matthew. | 15:50 |
| ajp | there really is only one user, matthew. | 15:52 |
| ajp | how am I running it as root? I don't see the line you are talking about "exec"? | 15:52 |
| jodh | ajp: where does the .conf file live? | 15:53 |
| ajp | "/etc/init" | 15:54 |
| xnox | gQuigs: in debian jessie and ubuntu saucy, indeed symlinks to upstart-jobs are no longer required. Instead update-rc.d and friends were updated to cope with upstart jobs. | 15:54 |
| jodh | ajp: right, so you are running the job as root. | 15:54 |
| ajp | i see. | 15:54 |
| jodh | ajp: so to repeat, please be sure you need to run that job as the root user! | 15:55 |
| gQuigs | xnox: oh ok, so should I report bugs against packages that still have them? (obviously low priority bugs..) | 15:55 |
| jodh | ajp: if you don't and you can't use a Session Job, read http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#run-a-job-as-a-different-user | 15:55 |
| xnox | gQuigs: no bugs need to be reported. | 15:57 |
| xnox | gQuigs: package that migrate away from installing symlinks, remove them as of when they do them. | 15:57 |
| gQuigs | xnox: didn't quite parse that last line... if a package doesn't require the symlinks isn't that a bug? | 15:59 |
| gQuigs | xnox: or is there some other compat. that needs to be added first? | 16:00 |
| xnox | gQuigs: that's not what i said. | 16:00 |
| xnox | gQuigs: it's ok for symlinks to be there, but they do need trasition before symlinks can be removed. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UpstartCompatibleInitScripts and the matching thread started by slangasek on ubuntu-devel for further details. | 16:01 |
| gQuigs | xnox: oh.. so the symlinks are being replaced by sysV jobs.. that error out if run on a system with upstart as init... | 16:18 |
| gQuigs | xnox: thanks that link / mailing list was very helpful | 16:18 |
| xnox | gQuigs: kind of reverse, symlinks used to override sysv jobs, and now we are stopping to do so. | 16:21 |
| gQuigs | xnox: right, but those new sysv jobs better be set to Error out.. | 16:24 |
| gQuigs | or we will really really confuse users.. | 16:27 |
| xnox | gQuigs: only if the user runs the job manually, all the tools were modified to run upstart job first (if exist) and not call sysv init job at all..... | 16:34 |
| gQuigs | xnox: AFAIK the only way in 12.04 to stop/start networking is via /etc/init.d/networking | 16:41 |
| gQuigs | xnox: the upstart command appears to do nothing at all, so this is a big change for users who do that | 16:41 |
| xnox | gQuigs: you need to specify instance. | 16:42 |
| gQuigs | xnox: "networking" upstart job is always in stop/waiting on 12.04... what do you mean about specifying an instance? | 16:50 |
| xnox | gQuigs: sudo initctl list | grep network | 16:53 |
| xnox | gQuigs: on saucy, networking is "start/running" and there are a bunch of other jobs "network-interface" with particular instances specified in (), e.g. (eth0) | 16:54 |
| gQuigs | xnox: yes on 12.04 I definitely get networking stop/waiting | 16:58 |
| gQuigs | but I do see the other interfaces.. which via upstart you would have to go one by one? | 16:58 |
| xnox | not sure. maybe things have changed in ubuntu since 12.04. | 16:58 |
| xnox | i mostly code upstart itself, and i didn't look into networking jobs much. | 16:59 |
| gQuigs | xnox: oh ok, thanks for your help! | 17:03 |
| ajp | jodh: it was working before for months and it just stopped working one day. any ideas why? | 17:21 |
| ajp | jodh: the bash script works fine by itself but when I try to integrate it into upstart, It doesn't do it's job | 17:45 |
| jodh | ajp: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#checking-how-a-service-might-react-when-run-as-a-job, http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#determining-why-your-service-fails-to-start, http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#see-the-environment-a-job-runs-in | 18:03 |
| ajp | jodh: well I just read all that and I still don't understand why it would work for months then all of the sudden it doesn't work at all? | 18:18 |
| ajp | anyone? | 18:21 |
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