valorielook at http://wiki.bodhilinux.com/doku.php00:05
valorienot my taste, but very colorful00:05
RiddellI think that looks quite classy00:09
Riddellby cute I thought there would be little unicorns all over it00:10
* Riddell snoozes00:10
shadeslayervalorie: what release?00:41
ScottKvalorie: Did you dist-upgrade?00:52
ScottKYou'll need to for the release that just hit raring-updates00:52
manchickenI need to set up a proper environment.01:51
manchickenI can't test properly.01:51
ScottKCan you set up a VM running saucy?01:54
ScottKThat's probably your best bet.01:54
ScottK(unless you've got a spare machine lying around)01:54
manchickenJust like a virtualbox.02:12
manchickenThat's a good idea.02:12
valorieScottK: thanks for asking -- I didn't do dist-upgrade02:19
valorienow when I do: 02:19
valorieThe following packages have been kept back:02:19
valorie  kscreen02:19
valorieThe following packages will be upgraded:02:19
valorie  libdbusmenu-glib4 libdbusmenu-gtk3-4 libdbusmenu-gtk4 xserver-xorg-video-intel02:19
valorie4 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.02:19
valoriesorry for the delay in replying; was eating dinner, etc.02:19
ScottKvalorie: what happens if you to sudo apt-get install kscreen?02:55
valorieThe following extra packages will be installed:03:00
valorie  libkscreen103:00
valorieThe following packages will be REMOVED:03:00
valorie  libkscreen003:00
valorieThe following NEW packages will be installed:03:00
valorie  libkscreen103:00
valorieThe following packages will be upgraded:03:00
valorie  kscreen03:00
valorie1 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded.03:01
valorieso maybe the lib was the blocker03:01
manchickenJontheEchidna: You there?03:23
smartboyhwJontheEchidna, please poll at http://doodle.com/2mwfbh9b7pbz3qzk :)03:31
ScottKvalorie: Yes.  That was it.03:40
valoriesmartboyhw: you can get a BNC account from the KDE sysadmins, you know03:43
smartboyhwvalorie, what's a BNC?03:43
valorieit's a server which stays connected to your channels all the time03:44
valorieyou connect to it rather than directly to IRC03:44
valorielike using screen03:44
valorieor the core in Quassel03:44
smartboyhwBut why do I need one?:P03:45
valorieso that you don't miss backlog03:45
smartboyhwvalorie, well I can easily access it at irclogs.ubuntu.com (LOL)03:45
valorieI hate having to rely on logs03:46
valorieI keep my own, but dredging through them.... ugh03:46
smartboyhwHmm, I guess I have to fix the 12.04.3 version of calligra myself, sigh03:49
smartboyhwbackporting just can't wor03:50
smartboyhwI mean, for opencolorio03:50
manchickenMan, setting up a virtualbox instance takes longer than it looks.04:07
manchickenAnybody use Qt Creator?04:12
manchickenI'm trying to build this thing and it says invalid argument "c"04:13
manchickenOkay, trying to build libqapt... why is it complaining about qt4?!04:29
soeegood morning06:18
shadeslayermorning soee06:22
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lordievaderGood morning.08:12
shadeslayeryofel: did you upload without the LTS HWE stack already?08:17
yofelthe 12.04.1 packages are ok08:17
yofelwhat still doesn't work is kubuntu-lts-backport though :/08:17
* shadeslayer looks08:18
shadeslayeryofel: even the upgrade went fine?08:18
shadeslayerbtw Destop at home is having weird X issues on precise08:20
shadeslayerI have autologin enabled, however, sometimes, I get a tty08:20
smartboyhwHey yofel shadeslayer 08:20
smartboyhwCalligra 2.7.1 on 12.04 DONE08:21
shadeslayerno ksplash or anything, just a simple tty08:21
* shadeslayer will try out the HWE stack on that machine08:21
yofelshadeslayer: yeah, I've seen that, I blame KDM, but it might very well be X as well08:21
smartboyhwyofel, how's digikam backporting?08:28
yofelgood, I think08:28
yofelI'll tell you after I actually tested it08:28
smartboyhwyofel, :)08:28
shadeslayerjust installing kubuntu-lts-backport doesn't work08:28
shadeslayerbut if you pass xserver-xorg-lts-raring as well, it works :D08:29
smartboyhwyofel, shadeslayer which date would you prefer, 12th or 16th for the Kubuntu Developer meeting?08:39
smartboyhwBoth of them have the same number of polls08:40
smartboyhwYes: 4 If-needed-be: 3 No: 0 (excluding valorie)08:40
shadeslayerMonday seems to be more favorable to everyone>08:41
smartboyhwshadeslayer, not me:P08:41
smartboyhwMonday I'm only if-needed-be08:42
shadeslayersmartboyhw: whatever suits you best then08:42
smartboyhwshadeslayer, but some people haven't voted yet, that's a concern for me08:45
smartboyhwI mean, minimum requirement is 3 actually...08:45
smartboyhwBut, more people is better:P08:45
shadeslayermore people means worse for you actually :P08:46
Quintasanwait what08:46
QuintasanWhich David left us?08:47
shadeslayerhe's trying out feodra 08:47
smartboyhwshadeslayer, why?08:47
QuintasanHe is going to learn that Kubuntu is better sooner or later :P08:47
smartboyhwFor LOL purposes08:48
smartboyhwQuintasan, +108:48
shadeslayersmartboyhw: you're open to a wider variety of questions then :P08:48
shadeslayerthe grilling goes on longer08:48
smartboyhwshadeslayer, well that's good08:48
yofelsmartboyhw: he was tired of the whole ubuntu community bikeshedding and arguing lately as I understood08:48
smartboyhwyofel, yeah08:48
shadeslayeryep ^^08:48
Quintasanlol ubuntu edge?08:48
smartboyhwyofel, I know that, it's Quintasan who's asking:PO08:48
smartboyhwQuintasan, no08:48
yofelwell, not longer, meeting is 1h usually, you just get more questions ^^08:48
smartboyhwThe Mir thing?08:48
QuintasanOh, so when we are grilling smartboyhw?08:49
shadeslayeryep, took about an hour when I applied08:49
shadeslayeryofel: I propose we just add an instruction in the release notes to instal kubuntu-lts-backports and the x11 lts package08:50
smartboyhwQuintasan, probably 16th or 12th08:50
smartboyhwThe two most polled dates08:50
smartboyhwI will try to avoid 12th08:50
smartboyhwI'm happy that you guys are grilling me actually08:51
smartboyhwThat improves my reactions skills:P08:51
shadeslayerfamous last words :P08:51
* Quintasan prepares some spices08:51
smartboyhwshadeslayer, how many last words do you have!?08:51
shadeslayerone for every occassion08:51
smartboyhwshadeslayer, meh08:52
shadeslayerfor everything else there's mastercard xD08:52
smartboyhwWhy not Visa?08:52
smartboyhwOr American Express08:52
smartboyhwOr JCB (XD)08:52
shadeslayerbecause that's a line from the mastercard ad we have here?08:52
smartboyhwshadeslayer, oh08:52
smartboyhwWe don't have Mastercard or Visa ads here08:53
smartboyhw(Well, maybe Visa)08:53
smartboyhwWe only have bank ads08:53
shadeslayerI see, I don't think I've seen a visa ad here08:54
smartboyhwOh, interesting08:54
shadeslayeror maybe the visa ad was crap and I don't remember it08:55
shadeslayerkind of funny though, VISA is more prevalent in the US, but a MasterCard is much more common in the EU08:55
yofelI don't remember many VISA Ads here in germany either. But you simply cannot miss the MC one.08:57
shadeslayeryofel: the first time I travelled to the EU was to Germany and I *could not* find a machine that accepts VISA08:58
shadeslayerDesktop Summit IIRC08:58
smartboyhwshadeslayer, :I09:00
smartboyhwshadeslayer, show me the log of your grilling:P09:05
shadeslayerno cheating :P09:07
smartboyhwUh, anyway, I found it shadeslayer :P09:07
smartboyhwSo, questions include freezes, whoo09:08
smartboyhwGood that I know freezes;P09:08
smartboyhwWhoa, that meeting's 1 hour 15 minutes:I09:09
yofelit is *at least* 1h09:09
smartboyhwyofel, yeah sure, I think I will take 3 hours:P09:10
smartboyhwStarting at 13:00 UTC is a brillant idea:P09:10
smartboyhwIt now only depends on date.09:10
yofelthe main difference between the ~kubuntu-members meeting and the ~kubuntu-dev one is that latter is mostly about technical competence09:10
smartboyhwyofel, yep09:10
yofeland a bit of a sanity check ^^09:12
smartboyhwyofel, sanity check? i.e.?09:13
yofelafter all you essentiall get root permissions on user systems without reviews. (Sure, that's already the case for ~kubuntu-ppa, but the primary archive still offers more damage potential)09:13
shadeslayersmartboyhw: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.security/1750609:21
shadeslayerwhich is why a sanity check is required09:21
shadeslayerjust making sure you're not affiliated with the NSA/FBI :P09:22
yofelthat reminds me of someone's post on g+ about how easy it is to verify that a binary is really built from it's associated source09:24
yofelthinking of it, in debian that's not easy at all09:24
shadeslayerIIRC that post concluded that it was easiest in Debian09:24
yofelfor us it's less of an issue, but we still need to trust the buildd's to be non-compromised09:24
yofelshadeslayer: binNMU's ?09:25
shadeslayerno, RPM09:25
shadeslayerno, RPM's had different sizes and what not09:25
yofelah, I don't know much about RPM's, but that would be fun indeed09:25
shadeslayerthis one I think https://blogs.kde.org/2013/06/19/really-source-code-software09:26
yofeldidn't yet have time to read the full post :/09:26
* shadeslayer needs to come up with hard questions for soee09:29
Blizzzanyone an idea how to track down this?  https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=322562 also looks like i cannot save my KDE session09:44
ubottuKDE bug 322562 in general "copied system from HDD to SSD: KWallet does not open despite correct password" [Normal,Unconfirmed]09:44
smartboyhwshadeslayer, I know about that post09:44
smartboyhwGood question, really...09:44
smartboyhwRiddell, can you do the post for Calligra 2.7.1 on web for me?09:44
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markeywhen is the freeze date again for 13.10?09:55
markeynvm it doesn't really matter09:56
smartboyhwmarkey, why?09:57
markeybecause I just recalled that Amarok 2.8 is in anyway09:58
smartboyhwmarkey, ;)09:58
Tm_TI miss Amarok /:10:04
markeywhere did it go?10:06
Tm_TI don't tend to have local files for that purpose anymore, Google Music took me10:06
smartboyhwTm_T, oh10:06
Tm_TI do keep local copies, but they're on a machine I don't use for anything else but storing files10:09
BluesKajHey all10:20
markeyhey guys, an Amarok user is sometimes getting this backtrace. that's with the latest Qt update, on Raring:10:22
markeycan you make sense of this? 10:23
markeyTm_T: yeah I think Google Music is interesting. it's not yet available in Germany though, I think10:27
smartboyhwRiddell, uh anyway I will do the news myself10:32
Riddellthanks smartboyhw 10:40
Tm_Tmarkey: neither in Finland10:48
kubotu::workspace-bugs:: [1204182] Locale wrongly defaults to en_US.UTF8 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1204182 (by Graeme Hewson)10:51
markeywhy is it that KDE applications crash so often when using Unity?11:02
markeyour users are having the weirdest issues with it11:02
markeye.g. crash when closing a dialog in Amarok, with just an X11 error11:03
markeyuseless backtrace11:03
kubotu::qt-bugs:: [1194501] [ 4.8 Linaro regression] ICE on gcc-4.8 building kde4libs @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1194501 (by Scott Kitterman)11:05
soeedid someone looked yesterday at my crash report ? :>11:13
yofelmarkey: is that really the newest Qt on raring? i.e. 4:4.8.4+dfsg-0ubuntu9.2 ? Because this *looks* like bug 119500711:31
ubottubug 1195007 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu Saucy) "qt patch introduces fatal gdk_x_error handler" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/119500711:31
yofelat least until #37, but then it's crashing somewhere in phonon-gst it seems11:32
markeyyofel: it's version  4:4.8.4+dfsg-0ubuntu12~ubuntu13.04~ppa111:35
yofelI'll update that11:37
yofelneeds to be ubuntu1411:37
markeyyou think that will fix it?11:37
yofelyes, because the same patch that was added in ubuntu9.1 in raring-updates, was added in saucy ubuntu10, and fixed in 1411:38
yofelppa has 12 which is broken11:38
markeythere's been so much bad stuff going on with Ubuntu Qt packages lately...11:40
markeynot nice11:40
markeywhy is it all falling apart?11:40
yofelwell *this* happened because the developer thought that just calling gtk code from qt is fine11:41
yofelsadly gtk and Qt don't behave the same on X errors, (qt: warning, gtk: error)11:41
manchickenAnybody know how to get VirtualBox extras to work on Saucy? :)12:37
manchickenIt doesn't like the xorg version. I'm trying to use VirtualBox for testing of my changes without trashing my box :)12:38
shadeslayermanchicken: hm?12:41
smartboyhwWhoa, I didn't expect that Kubuntu Developer application questions include array[] and array* (fortunately I know a bit of C++ to know this)12:41
shadeslayermanchicken: sure12:41
manchickenThere is an application now?12:42
shadeslayermanchicken: install kubuntu in VM -> post installation install virtualbox-guest-{utils,x11} -> restart12:42
smartboyhwOh, new release of kde-telepathy12:42
smartboyhwkubotu: newversion kde-telepathy 0.6.312:42
kubotuPackage kde-telepathy doesn't exist yet!12:43
shadeslayermanchicken: and then if you want to access USB devices you'll need the VBox extension pack12:43
smartboyhwAh, ktp:P12:43
smartboyhwBTW, why do you guys have to split ktp into multiple sources?12:44
yofelhuh? upstream splits it like that12:44
yofeland thanks virtualbox for freezing my system @_@12:45
shadeslayerI blame d_ed12:46
shadeslayeractually, I take that back, d_ed is awesome12:46
yofeland again12:47
smartboyhwSigh, 12 source packages....13:08
smartboyhwkubotu: newversion ktp-accounts-kcm 0.6.313:10
smartboyhwkubotu: newversion ktp-common-internals 0.6.313:11
shadeslayersmartboyhw: no need to do that individually13:16
smartboyhwshadeslayer, you mean bug?13:16
smartboyhwshadeslayer, yeah, idiot me:P13:16
shadeslayerjust file a single one under meta-kde-telepathy13:17
smartboyhwshadeslayer, oh13:17
shadeslayerif you really want to13:17
smartboyhwshadeslayer, changed the bug:P13:17
smartboyhwshadeslayer, are the translation .mo files not supposed to go in ktp-call-ui?13:37
smartboyhwThere isn't a not-installed file, so I'm worried13:37
shadeslayerthey should yes13:37
shadeslayerFor certain apps I did not install the mo files a long time back since I did not understand the lang pack stuff properly13:38
smartboyhwshadeslayer, so I'll add it back13:39
shadeslayerNot that I understand it completely at the moment, but basically everything outside KDE SC should have mo's installed13:39
shadeslayersmartboyhw: yes plz13:39
smartboyhwFirst time ever13:52
smartboyhw.3$ dh_install --list-missing13:52
smartboyhwCan't stat debian/tmp: No such file or directory13:52
smartboyhw at /usr/bin/dh_install line 24513:52
smartboyhwshadeslayer, is that suppose to happen?13:52
shadeslayerneed the full log plz13:53
smartboyhwshadeslayer, http://paste.kde.org/pa77e0cd9/13:54
shadeslayerI don't see a error there13:57
smartboyhwshadeslayer, because the error is above:P13:57
smartboyhwThe dh_install --list-missing thing13:57
smartboyhwSo, weird weird13:58
shadeslayerI'd say just upload to a PPA13:58
smartboyhwshadeslayer, sure13:59
smartboyhwshadeslayer, it's in https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+archive/packaging-staging-1/+packages14:04
shadeslayercool, gtg for a meeting14:04
smartboyhwshadeslayer, I think of a reason: When you get desktop-applets-down14:04
smartboyhwdesktop-applets down 14:04
smartboyhwSee if there's a pkg-kde-tools:P14:04
smartboyhwOK, I'm closing Trello vote....14:08
smartboyhw12th it is...14:09
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smartboyhwshadeslayer (or others): Why is 02_ktpchat_soversion.diff still existing in ktp-text-ui?14:19
smartboyhwIt's 0.5.8014:19
smartboyhwBut now the package is already 0.6.314:19
smartboyhwAnd do I have to update meta-kde-telepathy as well?14:20
tsimpsonapachelogger: in case you get concerned, ubottu.com now points to a new server (and IP) so the SSH fingerprint has changed14:53
smartboyhwshadeslayer, answer my question:P15:17
shadeslayersmartboyhw: in a meeting15:17
smartboyhwshadeslayer, oh, I thought you are chatting:P15:18
shadeslayermeeting + chatting + dinnering15:18
shadeslayer02_ktpchat_soversion.diff ... yeah, bump that :)15:18
shadeslayeror well15:18
shadeslayernot required tbh15:18
smartboyhwshadeslayer, drop patch?15:18
smartboyhwshadeslayer, change patch?15:19
smartboyhwto 0.6.3?15:19
shadeslayerI don't think it's required15:19
smartboyhwshadeslayer, so what's the solution? (I can't understand)15:20
shadeslayersmartboyhw: basically, it doesn't matter IMHO15:23
smartboyhwshadeslayer, uh alright15:23
shadeslayersmartboyhw: it's a patch to introduce a so versioned lib instead of a unversioned lib that upstream ships15:23
smartboyhwshadeslayer, and should I update meta-kde-telepathy itself too?15:24
smartboyhwshadeslayer, OK:)15:25
smartboyhwshadeslayer (or others), please review all ktp packages at https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+archive/packaging-staging-1/+packages15:31
smartboyhwshadeslayer, sure, no prob15:31
shadeslayersmartboyhw: did you do those by hand?15:31
smartboyhwshadeslayer, what do you mean, by hand?15:32
smartboyhwWell, yes15:32
shadeslayerI think Quintasan wrote a script15:32
smartboyhwif you mean changing the .install files and updating debian/control15:32
smartboyhwshadeslayer, .............15:32
Quintasantop lel15:32
Quintasanthis is piling on me15:33
smartboyhwQuintasan, ?15:33
Quintasancrapton of things to do right now15:33
* smartboyhw is confused with Quintasan 15:34
Quintasansmartboyhw: You're trying to apply logic everywhere15:35
QuintasanIt's pointless15:35
* smartboyhw can't understand even without applying logic...15:35
QuintasanWell, extrapolate then15:36
QuintasanI just have too much things to do atm15:36
smartboyhwQuintasan, sure... sure... sure...15:36
Quintasanand instead of taking one thing at a time I'm trying to do everything at once15:36
Quintasanand now I have even more things to do15:36
QuintasanI'd better try old approach15:36
smartboyhwQuintasan, heh15:38
smartboyhwOK, can somebody review + upload https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+archive/2buntu/+files/plasma-mediacenter_1.0.90-0ubuntu1.dsc ? It's 5 days old..15:55
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soeehow can i disable nvidia card sound device ?17:40
BluesKajsoee, what's the driver name ?17:48
soeeBluesKaj, dont know its hdmi related17:49
yofelcan't you just mute it in kmix?17:49
BluesKajsoee, look in  /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf  , if it's the default soundcard it will have a line like : options snd-ice1724 index=0 . Whatever that line is  change the index=0 to -217:51
soeeBluesKaj, http://pastebin.com/zbZHA6pH17:53
BluesKajsoee, what does this show , cat /proc/asound/modules17:56
soeeBluesKaj, 0 snd_hda_intel17:56
soee 1 snd_ca010617:56
BluesKajok , sou have a pci soundcard as well as the intel onboard ?17:57
BluesKajsou = you17:58
soeebut intel should be disabled in bios17:58
soeeand i have additional SB card that i want to use17:58
BluesKajwhen it's listed as "0" , that's default , the ca0106 is probly the soundblaster card . add these lines to the alsa-base file ,: options snd_hda_intel index=-2 , then below that, options snd_ca0106 index=0 , then you'll probly need to reboot  18:02
BluesKajalso to make sure after rebooting run , sudo modprobe snd_ca0106 , if there's no text output then the module is loaded properly18:04
kubotu::qt-bugs:: [1208961] package libqt4-xmlpatterns 4:4.8.4+dfsg-0ubuntu9 failed to install/upgrade: cannot copy ex... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1208961 (by Dave)19:36
soeeagain :<20:59

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