[00:04] cute? [00:05] look at http://wiki.bodhilinux.com/doku.php [00:05] not my taste, but very colorful [00:09] I think that looks quite classy [00:10] by cute I thought there would be little unicorns all over it [00:10] * Riddell snoozes [00:11] lol [00:41] valorie: what release? [00:52] valorie: Did you dist-upgrade? [00:52] You'll need to for the release that just hit raring-updates [01:50] howdy [01:51] I need to set up a proper environment. [01:51] I can't test properly. [01:54] Can you set up a VM running saucy? [01:54] That's probably your best bet. [01:54] (unless you've got a spare machine lying around) [02:12] Just like a virtualbox. [02:12] That's a good idea. [02:19] ScottK: thanks for asking -- I didn't do dist-upgrade [02:19] now when I do: [02:19] The following packages have been kept back: [02:19] kscreen [02:19] The following packages will be upgraded: [02:19] libdbusmenu-glib4 libdbusmenu-gtk3-4 libdbusmenu-gtk4 xserver-xorg-video-intel [02:19] 4 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded. [02:19] sorry for the delay in replying; was eating dinner, etc. [02:55] valorie: what happens if you to sudo apt-get install kscreen? [03:00] The following extra packages will be installed: [03:00] libkscreen1 [03:00] The following packages will be REMOVED: [03:00] libkscreen0 [03:00] The following NEW packages will be installed: [03:00] libkscreen1 [03:00] The following packages will be upgraded: [03:00] kscreen [03:01] 1 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded. [03:01] so maybe the lib was the blocker [03:23] JontheEchidna: You there? [03:31] JontheEchidna, please poll at http://doodle.com/2mwfbh9b7pbz3qzk :) [03:40] valorie: Yes. That was it. [03:41] cool [03:42] ? [03:43] smartboyhw: you can get a BNC account from the KDE sysadmins, you know [03:43] valorie, what's a BNC? [03:43] (LOL) [03:44] http://community.kde.org/Sysadmin/BNC [03:44] it's a server which stays connected to your channels all the time [03:44] you connect to it rather than directly to IRC [03:44] like using screen [03:44] or the core in Quassel [03:45] OK... [03:45] But why do I need one?:P [03:45] so that you don't miss backlog [03:45] valorie, well I can easily access it at irclogs.ubuntu.com (LOL) [03:45] eh [03:46] I hate having to rely on logs [03:46] I keep my own, but dredging through them.... ugh [03:49] Hmm, I guess I have to fix the 12.04.3 version of calligra myself, sigh [03:50] backporting just can't wor [03:50] *work [03:50] I mean, for opencolorio [03:58] lunchtime [04:07] Man, setting up a virtualbox instance takes longer than it looks. [04:12] Anybody use Qt Creator? [04:13] I'm trying to build this thing and it says invalid argument "c" [04:29] Okay, trying to build libqapt... why is it complaining about qt4?! [06:18] good morning [06:22] morning soee === Oli`` is now known as oli [08:12] Good morning. [08:17] oh [08:17] yofel: did you upload without the LTS HWE stack already? [08:17] yes [08:17] the 12.04.1 packages are ok [08:17] \o/ [08:17] what still doesn't work is kubuntu-lts-backport though :/ [08:18] oh? [08:18] * shadeslayer looks [08:18] yofel: even the upgrade went fine? [08:20] btw Destop at home is having weird X issues on precise [08:20] I have autologin enabled, however, sometimes, I get a tty [08:20] Hey yofel shadeslayer [08:20] YES!!!!!! [08:21] Calligra 2.7.1 on 12.04 DONE [08:21] no ksplash or anything, just a simple tty [08:21] \o/ [08:21] * shadeslayer will try out the HWE stack on that machine [08:21] shadeslayer: yeah, I've seen that, I blame KDM, but it might very well be X as well [08:28] yofel, how's digikam backporting? [08:28] good, I think [08:28] I'll tell you after I actually tested it [08:28] o_o [08:28] yofel, :) [08:28] just installing kubuntu-lts-backport doesn't work [08:29] but if you pass xserver-xorg-lts-raring as well, it works :D [08:39] yofel, shadeslayer which date would you prefer, 12th or 16th for the Kubuntu Developer meeting? [08:40] Both of them have the same number of polls [08:40] Yes: 4 If-needed-be: 3 No: 0 (excluding valorie) [08:41] Monday seems to be more favorable to everyone> [08:41] shadeslayer, not me:P [08:41] Tbh [08:42] Monday I'm only if-needed-be [08:42] smartboyhw: whatever suits you best then [08:45] shadeslayer, but some people haven't voted yet, that's a concern for me [08:45] I mean, minimum requirement is 3 actually... [08:45] But, more people is better:P [08:46] more people means worse for you actually :P [08:46] wait what [08:47] Which David left us? [08:47] Wonderly [08:47] Aw. [08:47] kinda [08:47] he's trying out feodra [08:47] shadeslayer, why? [08:47] He is going to learn that Kubuntu is better sooner or later :P [08:48] For LOL purposes [08:48] Quintasan, +1 [08:48] smartboyhw: you're open to a wider variety of questions then :P [08:48] the grilling goes on longer [08:48] shadeslayer, well that's good [08:48] :> [08:48] smartboyhw: he was tired of the whole ubuntu community bikeshedding and arguing lately as I understood [08:48] yofel, yeah [08:48] yep ^^ [08:48] lol ubuntu edge? [08:48] yofel, I know that, it's Quintasan who's asking:PO [08:48] Quintasan, no [08:48] well, not longer, meeting is 1h usually, you just get more questions ^^ [08:48] The Mir thing? [08:49] Oh, so when we are grilling smartboyhw? [08:49] yep, took about an hour when I applied [08:50] yofel: I propose we just add an instruction in the release notes to instal kubuntu-lts-backports and the x11 lts package [08:50] Quintasan, probably 16th or 12th [08:50] The two most polled dates [08:50] I will try to avoid 12th [08:51] I'm happy that you guys are grilling me actually [08:51] Yeah! [08:51] That improves my reactions skills:P [08:51] famous last words :P [08:51] * Quintasan prepares some spices [08:51] shadeslayer, how many last words do you have!? [08:51] one for every occassion [08:52] shadeslayer, meh [08:52] for everything else there's mastercard xD [08:52] XD [08:52] Why not Visa? [08:52] Or American Express [08:52] Or JCB (XD) [08:52] because that's a line from the mastercard ad we have here? [08:52] shadeslayer, oh [08:53] We don't have Mastercard or Visa ads here [08:53] (Well, maybe Visa) [08:53] We only have bank ads [08:54] I see, I don't think I've seen a visa ad here [08:54] Oh, interesting [08:55] or maybe the visa ad was crap and I don't remember it [08:55] kind of funny though, VISA is more prevalent in the US, but a MasterCard is much more common in the EU [08:57] I don't remember many VISA Ads here in germany either. But you simply cannot miss the MC one. [08:57] ^^ [08:57] lol [08:58] yofel: the first time I travelled to the EU was to Germany and I *could not* find a machine that accepts VISA [08:58] *accepted [08:58] Desktop Summit IIRC [09:00] shadeslayer, :I [09:05] shadeslayer, show me the log of your grilling:P [09:07] no cheating :P [09:07] Uh, anyway, I found it shadeslayer :P [09:07] haha [09:08] So, questions include freezes, whoo [09:08] Good that I know freezes;P [09:09] Whoa, that meeting's 1 hour 15 minutes:I [09:09] it is *at least* 1h [09:10] yofel, yeah sure, I think I will take 3 hours:P [09:10] nah [09:10] Starting at 13:00 UTC is a brillant idea:P [09:10] It now only depends on date. [09:10] the main difference between the ~kubuntu-members meeting and the ~kubuntu-dev one is that latter is mostly about technical competence [09:10] yofel, yep [09:11] *nod* [09:12] and a bit of a sanity check ^^ [09:13] yofel, sanity check? i.e.? [09:13] after all you essentiall get root permissions on user systems without reviews. (Sure, that's already the case for ~kubuntu-ppa, but the primary archive still offers more damage potential) [09:13] *essentially [09:21] smartboyhw: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.security/17506 [09:21] which is why a sanity check is required [09:22] just making sure you're not affiliated with the NSA/FBI :P [09:24] that reminds me of someone's post on g+ about how easy it is to verify that a binary is really built from it's associated source [09:24] thinking of it, in debian that's not easy at all [09:24] IIRC that post concluded that it was easiest in Debian [09:24] for us it's less of an issue, but we still need to trust the buildd's to be non-compromised [09:25] shadeslayer: binNMU's ? [09:25] no, RPM [09:25] no, RPM's had different sizes and what not [09:25] ah, I don't know much about RPM's, but that would be fun indeed [09:26] this one I think https://blogs.kde.org/2013/06/19/really-source-code-software [09:26] exactly [09:26] didn't yet have time to read the full post :/ [09:29] * shadeslayer needs to come up with hard questions for soee [09:29] erm [09:29] smartboyhw [09:44] anyone an idea how to track down this? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=322562 also looks like i cannot save my KDE session [09:44] KDE bug 322562 in general "copied system from HDD to SSD: KWallet does not open despite correct password" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [09:44] shadeslayer, I know about that post [09:44] Good question, really... [09:44] Riddell, can you do the post for Calligra 2.7.1 on web for me? === vinay is now known as Guest54040 [09:55] when is the freeze date again for 13.10? [09:56] nvm it doesn't really matter [09:57] markey, why? [09:58] because I just recalled that Amarok 2.8 is in anyway [09:58] markey, ;) [10:04] I miss Amarok /: [10:06] where did it go? [10:06] I don't tend to have local files for that purpose anymore, Google Music took me [10:06] Tm_T, oh [10:09] I do keep local copies, but they're on a machine I don't use for anything else but storing files [10:20] Hey all [10:22] hey guys, an Amarok user is sometimes getting this backtrace. that's with the latest Qt update, on Raring: [10:22] http://pastebin.com/tMdZaMAY [10:23] can you make sense of this? [10:27] Tm_T: yeah I think Google Music is interesting. it's not yet available in Germany though, I think [10:32] Riddell, uh anyway I will do the news myself [10:40] thanks smartboyhw [10:48] markey: neither in Finland [10:51] ::workspace-bugs:: [1204182] Locale wrongly defaults to en_US.UTF8 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1204182 (by Graeme Hewson) [11:02] why is it that KDE applications crash so often when using Unity? [11:02] our users are having the weirdest issues with it [11:03] e.g. crash when closing a dialog in Amarok, with just an X11 error [11:03] useless backtrace [11:05] ::qt-bugs:: [1194501] [ 4.8 Linaro regression] ICE on gcc-4.8 building kde4libs @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1194501 (by Scott Kitterman) [11:13] did someone looked yesterday at my crash report ? :> [11:31] markey: is that really the newest Qt on raring? i.e. 4:4.8.4+dfsg-0ubuntu9.2 ? Because this *looks* like bug 1195007 [11:31] bug 1195007 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu Saucy) "qt patch introduces fatal gdk_x_error handler" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1195007 [11:32] at least until #37, but then it's crashing somewhere in phonon-gst it seems [11:35] yofel: it's version 4:4.8.4+dfsg-0ubuntu12~ubuntu13.04~ppa1 [11:36] urgh [11:37] I'll update that [11:37] needs to be ubuntu14 [11:37] you think that will fix it? [11:38] yes, because the same patch that was added in ubuntu9.1 in raring-updates, was added in saucy ubuntu10, and fixed in 14 [11:38] ppa has 12 which is broken [11:40] there's been so much bad stuff going on with Ubuntu Qt packages lately... [11:40] not nice [11:40] why is it all falling apart? [11:41] well *this* happened because the developer thought that just calling gtk code from qt is fine [11:41] sadly gtk and Qt don't behave the same on X errors, (qt: warning, gtk: error) [12:37] Anybody know how to get VirtualBox extras to work on Saucy? :) [12:38] It doesn't like the xorg version. I'm trying to use VirtualBox for testing of my changes without trashing my box :) [12:41] manchicken: hm? [12:41] Whoa, I didn't expect that Kubuntu Developer application questions include array[] and array* (fortunately I know a bit of C++ to know this) [12:41] manchicken: sure [12:42] There is an application now? [12:42] manchicken: install kubuntu in VM -> post installation install virtualbox-guest-{utils,x11} -> restart [12:42] Oh, new release of kde-telepathy [12:42] kubotu: newversion kde-telepathy 0.6.3 [12:43] Package kde-telepathy doesn't exist yet! [12:43] manchicken: and then if you want to access USB devices you'll need the VBox extension pack [12:43] Ah, ktp:P [12:43] heh [12:44] BTW, why do you guys have to split ktp into multiple sources? [12:44] huh? upstream splits it like that [12:45] ^^ [12:45] and thanks virtualbox for freezing my system @_@ [12:46] I blame d_ed [12:46] actually, I take that back, d_ed is awesome [12:47] and again [12:47] wth [13:08] Sigh, 12 source packages.... [13:10] kubotu: newversion ktp-accounts-kcm 0.6.3 [13:10] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1208836 [13:11] kubotu: newversion ktp-common-internals 0.6.3 [13:11] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1208837 [13:16] smartboyhw: no need to do that individually [13:16] shadeslayer, you mean bug? [13:16] Or? [13:16] yes [13:16] shadeslayer, yeah, idiot me:P [13:17] just file a single one under meta-kde-telepathy [13:17] shadeslayer, oh [13:17] if you really want to [13:17] shadeslayer, changed the bug:P [13:18] k [13:37] shadeslayer, are the translation .mo files not supposed to go in ktp-call-ui? [13:37] There isn't a not-installed file, so I'm worried [13:37] they should yes [13:38] For certain apps I did not install the mo files a long time back since I did not understand the lang pack stuff properly [13:39] shadeslayer, so I'll add it back [13:39] Not that I understand it completely at the moment, but basically everything outside KDE SC should have mo's installed [13:39] smartboyhw: yes plz [13:52] First time ever [13:52] .3$ dh_install --list-missing [13:52] Can't stat debian/tmp: No such file or directory [13:52] at /usr/bin/dh_install line 245 [13:52] shadeslayer, is that suppose to happen? [13:53] need the full log plz [13:54] shadeslayer, http://paste.kde.org/pa77e0cd9/ [13:57] I don't see a error there [13:57] shadeslayer, because the error is above:P [13:57] The dh_install --list-missing thing [13:58] So, weird weird [13:58] I'd say just upload to a PPA [13:59] shadeslayer, sure [14:04] shadeslayer, it's in https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+archive/packaging-staging-1/+packages [14:04] cool, gtg for a meeting [14:04] shadeslayer, I think of a reason: When you get desktop-applets-down [14:04] desktop-applets down [14:04] See if there's a pkg-kde-tools:P [14:08] OK, I'm closing Trello vote.... [14:09] 12th it is... === smartboyhw changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly Computing | https://trello.com/kubuntu | https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas 4.10.97 saucy/archive raring/beta quantal/staging precise/read_notes_on_pad | 13.10 Alpha 2 released | 13.10 milestoned bugs tagged Kubuntu http://goo.gl/vHRjj | Kubuntu Developers meeting at 12th Aug 2013 13:00 UTC [14:19] shadeslayer (or others): Why is 02_ktpchat_soversion.diff still existing in ktp-text-ui? [14:19] It's 0.5.80 [14:19] But now the package is already 0.6.3 [14:20] And do I have to update meta-kde-telepathy as well? [14:53] apachelogger: in case you get concerned, ubottu.com now points to a new server (and IP) so the SSH fingerprint has changed [15:17] shadeslayer, answer my question:P [15:17] smartboyhw: in a meeting [15:18] shadeslayer, oh, I thought you are chatting:P [15:18] meeting + chatting + dinnering [15:18] 02_ktpchat_soversion.diff ... yeah, bump that :) [15:18] or well [15:18] not required tbh [15:18] shadeslayer, drop patch? [15:18] no [15:19] shadeslayer, change patch? [15:19] to 0.6.3? [15:19] I don't think it's required [15:20] shadeslayer, so what's the solution? (I can't understand) [15:23] smartboyhw: basically, it doesn't matter IMHO [15:23] shadeslayer, uh alright [15:23] smartboyhw: it's a patch to introduce a so versioned lib instead of a unversioned lib that upstream ships [15:24] shadeslayer, and should I update meta-kde-telepathy itself too? [15:25] yes [15:25] shadeslayer, OK:) [15:31] shadeslayer (or others), please review all ktp packages at https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+archive/packaging-staging-1/+packages [15:31] tomorrow [15:31] shadeslayer, sure, no prob [15:31] smartboyhw: did you do those by hand? [15:32] shadeslayer, what do you mean, by hand? [15:32] Well, yes [15:32] lol? [15:32] I think Quintasan wrote a script [15:32] if you mean changing the .install files and updating debian/control [15:32] shadeslayer, ............. [15:32] Damit [15:32] top lel [15:33] this is piling on me [15:33] Quintasan, ? [15:33] crapton of things to do right now [15:33] I'M NOT HERE FOR ONE WEEK [15:34] * smartboyhw is confused with Quintasan [15:35] smartboyhw: You're trying to apply logic everywhere [15:35] It's pointless [15:35] * smartboyhw can't understand even without applying logic... [15:36] Well, extrapolate then [15:36] I just have too much things to do atm [15:36] Quintasan, sure... sure... sure... [15:36] and instead of taking one thing at a time I'm trying to do everything at once [15:36] and now I have even more things to do [15:36] I'd better try old approach [15:38] Quintasan, heh [15:38] Sigh... [15:55] OK, can somebody review + upload https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+archive/2buntu/+files/plasma-mediacenter_1.0.90-0ubuntu1.dsc ? It's 5 days old.. === greyback_ is now known as greyback|food === greyback|food is now known as greyback [17:40] how can i disable nvidia card sound device ? [17:48] soee, what's the driver name ? [17:49] BluesKaj, dont know its hdmi related [17:49] can't you just mute it in kmix? [17:51] soee, look in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf , if it's the default soundcard it will have a line like : options snd-ice1724 index=0 . Whatever that line is change the index=0 to -2 [17:53] BluesKaj, http://pastebin.com/zbZHA6pH [17:56] soee, what does this show , cat /proc/asound/modules [17:56] BluesKaj, 0 snd_hda_intel [17:56] 1 snd_ca0106 [17:57] ok , sou have a pci soundcard as well as the intel onboard ? [17:58] sou = you [17:58] but intel should be disabled in bios [17:58] and i have additional SB card that i want to use [18:02] when it's listed as "0" , that's default , the ca0106 is probly the soundblaster card . add these lines to the alsa-base file ,: options snd_hda_intel index=-2 , then below that, options snd_ca0106 index=0 , then you'll probly need to reboot [18:04] also to make sure after rebooting run , sudo modprobe snd_ca0106 , if there's no text output then the module is loaded properly [19:36] ::qt-bugs:: [1208961] package libqt4-xmlpatterns 4:4.8.4+dfsg-0ubuntu9 failed to install/upgrade: cannot copy ex... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1208961 (by Dave) [20:59] again :< [20:59] http://pastebin.com/vPj1E3Mq