[10:03] <l0ll0lll1> hi all. I'm trying to install libopenal1 on saucy-daily, and get "E: Package 'libopenal1' has no installation candidate". How can I fix this?
[10:04] <ikonia> l0ll0lll1: the package doesn't exist.
[10:12] <l0ll0lll1> ikonia: hmm... but wine from ppa refers to it...
[10:12] <ikonia> l0ll0lll1: that's winePPA's problem
[10:12] <l0ll0lll1> ikonia: but how can it not exist if this page says it does exist: http://packages.ubuntu.com/saucy/libopenal1 ?
[10:13] <ikonia> l0ll0lll1: because you the error you are saying shows it doesn't exist
[10:14] <l0ll0lll1> great, so who should I believe? apt or packages.ubuntu.com?
[10:14] <ikonia> l0ll0lll1: I assume you've run apt-get update to make sure your apt-cache is current
[10:14] <ikonia> l0ll0lll1: what version is it looking for /
[10:14] <l0ll0lll1> updated several times
[10:14] <ikonia> l0ll0lll1: I can see libopenal1 1.14 in the repo
[10:15] <ikonia> l0ll0lll1: what's the actual version it wants
[10:15] <l0ll0lll1> Depends: libopenal1 (>= 1:1.13) but it is not installable
[10:15] <ikonia> l0ll0lll1: yes, as it's 1.14
[10:15] <ikonia> the wine repo is out of date with it's dependencies,
[10:16] <ikonia> l0ll0lll1: are you sure you're pointing at the saucy release in the wine repo
[10:16] <l0ll0lll1> i did "add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-wine/ppa"
[10:16] <l0ll0lll1> hoping it'll select correct release automatically
[10:17] <ikonia> l0ll0lll1: did you not check ?
[10:18] <ikonia> there is a 13.10 repo on the wine PPA, so it should be fine, but it looks like it's out of date
[10:19] <ikonia> l0ll0lll1: if you do "apt-get install libopenal1" what do you get ?
[10:19] <l0ll0lll1> ikonia: as i said initially, "E: Package 'libopenal1' has no installation candidate"
[10:19] <ikonia> l0ll0lll1: that's with you just running sudo apt-get install libopenal1"
[10:20] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[10:20] <l0ll0lll1> ikonia: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=3F7Q5JKv
[10:21] <l0ll0lll1> may this be because i run from liveUSB?
[10:21] <ikonia> !info libopenal1
[10:22] <ikonia> l0ll0lll1: it's there, I'm not sure why you are are doing this on a liveusb but that shouldn't matter
[10:22] <ikonia> l0ll0lll1: although look at th etag on it, "raring"
[10:22] <l0ll0lll1> ikonia: i have to test a i915 bug which appears with a software run in wine
[10:23] <ikonia> l0ll0lll1: apt-cache policy libopenal1
[10:24] <Ampelbein> l0ll0lll1: Check that you have universe enabled in /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:25] <l0ll0lll1> ikonia: i think i've found a fix: had to enable universe in software sources
[10:25] <l0ll0lll1> i wish apt gave some hints for this
[10:25] <ikonia> Ampelbein just said that
[10:25] <ikonia> about 2 seconds after you /parted
[10:25] <l0ll0lll1> it was connection error
[10:26] <ikonia> ok, after your connection droppe
[10:28] <l0ll0lll1> now the only problem remains with libgphoto2-port0... with same error, but now all repos are enabled
[10:28] <ikonia> d!info libgphoto2-port0
[10:28] <ikonia> !info libgphoto2-port0
[10:28] <ikonia> well, it's in main
[10:28] <ikonia> l0ll0lll1: what version does it want ?
[10:29] <l0ll0lll1> (>= 2.4.10.1)
[10:29] <ikonia> so 2.4.14.....
[10:30] <Ampelbein> l0ll0lll1: The saucy version is named libgphoto2-port10
[10:30] <ikonia> !info libgphoto2-port10
[10:30] <Ampelbein> ikonia: In saucy.
[10:30] <ikonia> ahhh ubotu is still picking up raring
[10:30] <ikonia> hang on
[10:30] <ikonia> sorry about that
[10:32] <l0ll0lll1> ok, good to know why the fail occurs. Now is there a way to convince apt to install package without all deps satisfied?
[10:33] <Ampelbein> l0ll0lll1: apt, no, dpkg, yes. But your software will likely not work when its linked against an older soname.
[10:33] <BluesKaj> l0ll0lll1, if you -f install , it wants to remove a whole lot of 32 git  depends and thwir apps like lsb-core and ia32-libs, I went ahead and let remove all that , then dist upgraded ..haven't had a problem sincxe
[10:33] <BluesKaj> 32 bit
[10:33] <ikonia> l0ll0lll1: why would you install packages without the deps being resolved ?
[10:35] <l0ll0lll1> ikonia: i'd install the package with apt thinking deps are not resolved, but having them installed under another name, like with libgphoto2-port0 vs libgphoto2-port10
[10:36] <Ampelbein> l0ll0lll1: Package names usually aren't changed for no reason. In the case of libraries, a newer soname will mean that packages linked against the old version will likely not work.
[10:41] <l0ll0lll1> ok, that shouldn't be a problem since wine doesn't really need libgphoto to startup and execute the app i need
[10:46] <ikonia> it should do a library check at startup
[10:46] <ikonia> and complain about a missing library if it's not there
[10:47] <l0ll0lll1> ikonia: such libraries in wine are usually not linked in a way ldd would see, they are instead opened when needed with dlopen(), so this shouldn't be a problem
[10:48] <ikonia> that part I don't know - I'm not a "wine guy" so I'll take your word on that
[10:59] <ikonia> !info libgphoto2-port10
[11:00] <Ampelbein> Oh, and package.ubuntu.com seems to got fixed too. It now shows binary packages for saucy! yay.
[11:00] <Ampelbein> *packages
[20:14] <hht> hello
[20:14] <hht> i can't boot ubuntuu 13.10
[20:15] <bazhang> hht, its still not released
[20:15] <bazhang> hht, why not consider using a stable release if you are not into bug tracking and fixing
[20:17] <hht> i have tried 13.04 and same problem so  i wanted to try 13.10
[20:18] <bazhang> more info please
[20:18] <bazhang> can't boot is way too vague
[20:21] <hht> i told i used universal usb installer and unetbootin to make ubuntuu bootable from pendrive
[20:21] <hht> and i can't boot it
[20:22] <bazhang> hht, you never said that here
[20:22] <hht> sorry i said it on ubuntu room
[20:22] <bazhang> did you md5 the iso
[20:23] <bazhang> it's likely either a corrupt iso, which the md5 can sum check can verify, or you  need to try to re"burn" it to usb
[20:24] <Ampelbein> hht: Do you get any message or just black screen when trying to boot?
[20:24] <hht> just black screen
[20:24] <Ampelbein> hht: And what processor do you use?
[20:24] <bazhang> !nomodeset
[20:25] <hht> atom n270
[20:25] <hht> i try to boot also in xboot and without success wtf
[20:25] <hht> i didnt havce problem with ubuntu 12.04
[20:27] <Ampelbein> hht: So, you don't even see a grub menu, yes? Then I'd follow bazhang's advice of checking the checksum and reimage the usb stick.
[20:28] <hht> yes just black screen
[20:28] <hht> i have tried several times without success
[20:28] <wilee-nilee> hht, This booting the usb?
[20:28] <hht> its pendrive 16gb, i just formatted it in fat32
[20:28] <hht> maybe it is bad formatted?
[20:29] <wilee-nilee> hht, maybe check the nomodeset option you can do it as well on the live usb, although unetbootin bypasses that gui.
[20:36] <hht> ok all works, the problem was bad formatted pendrive, something wrong with its structure, i deleted partition and made new and installed ubuntu 13.10 and all works good
[20:38] <wilee-nilee> groovy man