| antarus | hrm | 00:24 |
|---|---|---|
| antarus | did someone futz with the precise netboot images recently? | 00:24 |
| antarus | we are seeing this weird problem: | 00:29 |
| antarus | 08/05 14:47:45 INFO |logging_ma:0560| 2013-08-05T21:30:55-07:00 anna[4924]: WARNING **: no packages matching running kernel 3.2.0-50-generic in archive | 00:29 |
| antarus | usually this just means our mirroring is b0rked | 00:29 |
| antarus | but we checked and it appears to be working | 00:29 |
| antarus | the linux kernel is 3.2.0.50, but d-i only has 3.2.0.51 modules | 00:30 |
| * antarus is still likely to blame mirroring somewhere | 00:30 | |
| antarus | sorry, to be clear, the netboot kernel is 50, but our mirror only has modules for 51 | 00:39 |
| antarus | hence anna being angry | 00:39 |
| infinity | antarus: Yeah, -50 never hit updates, but the d-i did. A bit of a screwup, will be fixing first thing when I wake up. | 01:06 |
| antarus | infinity: ok thx | 01:07 |
| antarus | infinity: I was going to file a bug, but I figured I'd ask in here, seeing as if it was on your end, you'd know already ;) | 01:07 |
| infinity | Meh, maybe I'll just upload against the current -updates kernels now, and then re-do it for the .3 kernels later. | 01:14 |
| infinity | antarus: Should be fixed in -updates in a few hours. Tis building right now. I didn't realize how broken it was when Colin brought it up earlier today, sorry. | 01:21 |
| antarus | no worries | 01:24 |
| === mpt_ is now known as mpt | ||
| gaaldering | Good afternoon :) | 14:07 |
| gaaldering | I want to create a preseed partman expert recipe with the following layout: /dev/sda with bootable lvm, ext4 on /, /dev/sdab with lvm, swap | 14:08 |
| gaaldering | This works fine if i set it up by hand, but im having a hard time doing this with partman-auto in Precise | 14:08 |
| gaaldering | So, 2 disks, both with their own lvm... | 14:09 |
| gaaldering | Is this possible that anyone knows? | 14:09 |
| cjwatson | xnox: ^- could you help gaaldering out? | 14:14 |
| cjwatson | (on the phone) | 14:14 |
| xnox | gaaldering: what's /dev/sdab ? second drive? or it all just a single one. | 14:34 |
| xnox | gaaldering: it sounds like you can just do partman-auto-lvm, if you need to tweak sizes an example recipe from http://www.gasid.org.uk/2012/06/debianubuntu-preseed-lvm-and-expert_recipe/ should do it. | 14:35 |
| xnox | gaaldering: note the separate /boot partition though. | 14:35 |
| === cody-somerville_ is now known as cody-somerville | ||
| gaaldering | xnonx: sorry got pulled away into some meetings as well | 15:17 |
| gaaldering | xnox: i made a type, so i have 2 disks, sda and sdb, on sda i want a bootable / in lvm, on sdb i want swap in lvm | 15:18 |
| xnox | gaaldering: i see. | 15:18 |
| gaaldering | right now im getting 1 volume group, a free ext2 /boot, and some more madness :( | 15:18 |
| gaaldering | is it possible to partition 2 disks in precise preseed? | 15:18 |
| xnox | gaaldering: yeah, then above advice doesn't apply. Let me figure this out. | 15:18 |
| xnox | gaaldering: yes, it should be possible to partition 2 disks in precise preseed. | 15:19 |
| gaaldering | cool | 15:19 |
| gaaldering | and, does partman understand it if i want to have 1 / partition ext4 in lvm, and boot from that? | 15:19 |
| gaaldering | to me it seems partman really wants a /boot partition somehow | 15:20 |
| gaaldering | but grub 2 can boot lvm just fine | 15:20 |
| xnox | gaaldering: whilst grub 2 can boot of lvm, the installer and grub2 package isn't configured to allow that in precise. | 15:21 |
| xnox | gaaldering: thus you will need a separate /boot partition. | 15:21 |
| gaaldering | you mean in preseed? | 15:22 |
| gaaldering | if i do this by hand this works just fine :) | 15:22 |
| xnox | gaaldering: yes, it will be part of the expert recipe. as expert recipe defines everything. | 15:22 |
| gaaldering | ok, so what your saying is that partman does not support a bootable lvm ? :) | 15:22 |
| gaaldering | or let me rephrase it | 15:23 |
| gaaldering | its not supports by the preseed answers.... | 15:23 |
| gaaldering | thats too bad :( | 15:23 |
| xnox | gaaldering: hm =) I didn't think it did, but if no warning showed up, it should fine. (the warning - critical d-i error "no bootable /boot defined" or something like that) | 15:23 |
| gaaldering | xnox im surpressing that notice | 15:23 |
| xnox | ah, ok. | 15:23 |
| gaaldering | the weird thing right now is, that partman gives me a free ext2 /boot partition, and its nowhere to be found in my expert string | 15:24 |
| xnox | gaaldering: do you want both drives in a single VG or one VG per drive? | 15:25 |
| gaaldering | 1 vg per drive | 15:25 |
| xnox | gaaldering: in that case i'd deploy hacks. Assume that your recipe formats just the /dev/sda (without swap, as you want) | 15:28 |
| xnox | e.g.: partman-auto/method string lvm; d-i partman-auto/disk string /dev/sda; | 15:29 |
| xnox | (or with a recipe) | 15:29 |
| xnox | and then in either: | 15:29 |
| gaaldering | i did that 2 years ago :) thought this would be fixed maybe by now :)) | 15:29 |
| gaaldering | what i did back then is break out of the installer, do a shell script, and go back in the installer | 15:29 |
| gaaldering | simply because partman doesnt support things that are possible by hand | 15:29 |
| xnox | in late_command or partman/early_command: setup lvm, vg, lv, format as swap and activate & add to fstab. | 15:29 |
| gaaldering | something like that yes :) | 15:29 |
| xnox | gaaldering: if one specifies: d-i partman-auto/disk string /dev/sda /dev/sdb. With lvm method, both drives will be added as PV into a single VG, and then your LVs will be across both of them. | 15:30 |
| xnox | (with no way to control mirroring/stripping) | 15:30 |
| xnox | (or which LV goes on to which PV) | 15:31 |
| gaaldering | xnox: do you know why partman is not supporting these options? :) | 15:31 |
| xnox | gaaldering: because I didn't write them yet?! =) | 15:31 |
| gaaldering | xnox: cant we do that ? :) | 15:31 |
| xnox | gaaldering: so far there hasn't been a pressing need for those. We give users ability to break out into shell and do anything, and that seems to be sufficient so far =) | 15:32 |
| xnox | gaaldering: UX designers are pressing to remove options =) | 15:33 |
| gaaldering | xnox: those UX designers never tried booting from LVM :) | 15:33 |
| gaaldering | xnox: partman needs more options :) easy | 15:34 |
| gaaldering | xnox: maybe we need better documentation though :) | 15:34 |
| xnox | gaaldering: when I explained what lvm is, they said - kill all partitioning screens and force use lvm across all drives by default and then we can ignore all partitioning issues. | 15:34 |
| xnox | ... until i pointed out that windows/mac dual-boot can't read LVM2 volumes. they got very sad at that point. | 15:35 |
| xnox | gaaldering: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apbs04.html.en#preseed-partman is very thorough. | 15:35 |
| xnox | gaaldering: together with ubuntu equivalent, documenting some of the ubuntu specific options. | 15:36 |
| gaaldering | xnox: are you the (partly) author of partman ? | 15:36 |
| xnox | gaaldering: no, i'm just a minion. =) i have a few patches here and there, and commit access to d-i, but I'm still only a contributor. | 15:37 |
| gaaldering | xnox: partman could use some love :) | 15:37 |
| gaaldering | xnox: you should check dispicable me engineer on youtube :) | 15:37 |
| gaaldering | brilliant | 15:37 |
| gaaldering | mini movie | 15:37 |
| gaaldering | xnox: it seems that partman does things by itself which im not telling it to do | 15:38 |
| * xnox <3 despicable me | 15:38 | |
| gaaldering | but, what your suggesting is break out of the installer because partman recipes do not support booting from lvm | 15:38 |
| xnox | gaaldering: you can preseed breaking out. | 15:40 |
| gaaldering | :( | 15:40 |
| gaaldering | im fan of preseed | 15:40 |
| gaaldering | i was hoping to do this native :) | 15:40 |
| xnox | it can be automated. | 15:40 |
| gaaldering | instead of shell scripts | 15:40 |
| gaaldering | xnox: is partman hard to dive into? | 15:41 |
| gaaldering | xnox: and make this possible? | 15:41 |
| gaaldering | kickstart supports these things as far as i could find | 15:41 |
| xnox | gaaldering: no, it's easy. it's all mostly shell scripts =) + debconf (for asking questions, driving logic, preseeding) | 15:41 |
| gaaldering | really | 15:41 |
| gaaldering | hm | 15:41 |
| gaaldering | so but what those ux designers want is not really feasable is it? | 15:42 |
| xnox | gaaldering: here is an example of using " d-i partman/early_command" to execute a shell snippet to drive things dynamically. http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apbs05.html.en | 15:42 |
| gaaldering | xnox: i build that 2 years ago for another custom partioning | 15:42 |
| gaaldering | xnox: raw formatting on disks | 15:43 |
| gaaldering | mkfs.xfs /dev/sda | 15:43 |
| gaaldering | :) | 15:43 |
| gaaldering | works like a charm in a vm | 15:43 |
| gaaldering | needs a grubinstall --force though | 15:43 |
| xnox | gaaldering: ha =) partman has xfs support these days. | 15:43 |
| gaaldering | took me 2 weeks of struggling | 15:43 |
| gaaldering | im doing ext4 now | 15:43 |
| gaaldering | but | 15:43 |
| gaaldering | i dont get it | 15:43 |
| gaaldering | why isnt partman being | 15:43 |
| gaaldering | fixed | 15:43 |
| gaaldering | xnox: say, id take 1 disk with lvm, could i boot from LVM then ? | 16:08 |
| gaaldering | xnox: partman keeps surprising me that what i do by hand does not seem to be possible with partman recipes :) | 16:11 |
| gaaldering | xnox: early_command seems like a workaround to me to get something to work that is not supported | 16:12 |
| xnox | gaaldering: pre-existing lvm on the disk? recently reuse methods were added to partman ( and i even think it's been ported back to precise) | 16:15 |
| xnox | gaaldering: sure there is always stuff one can do more, but partman does a good job for an impressive variety of systems/configurations that are suitable for many use-cases. | 16:16 |
| xnox | the disparity between interractive vs preseed does intrigue me as well. but i'm not sure how that can be solved. | 16:17 |
| gaaldering | xnox: yeah you are totally right | 16:19 |
| gaaldering | interface vs preseed incompatability makes it strange | 16:19 |
| gaaldering | if its possible to do it interactively, then why not via preseed :) | 16:20 |
| gaaldering | xnox: could you point me where i should look for the sourcecode of partman ? is that a partman.udeb ?: | 16:48 |
| xnox | gaaldering: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/CheckOut | 16:49 |
| xnox | is the debian one. | 16:49 |
| xnox | gaaldering: there are a few ubuntu patches/forks for some of the projects. Those can be found as bzr branches at: | 16:49 |
| xnox | https://code.launchpad.net/d-i | 16:50 |
| xnox | e.g.: lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/apt-setup/ubuntu for ubuntu fork of apt-setup. | 16:50 |
| gaaldering | im glad everything is in git | 16:50 |
| gaaldering | :( | 16:50 |
| xnox | gaaldering: translations are in svn, ubuntu forks are in bzr, debian upstream is in git. | 16:50 |
| gaaldering | lol :) | 16:51 |
| gaaldering | how do you guys keep this stuff working | 16:51 |
| xnox | gaaldering: well we have automatic git -> bzr imports on launchpad e.g. lp:apt-setup is the debian-git import, which we merge into lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/ owned branches and upload into the archive.... | 16:52 |
| gaaldering | why is launchpad using bzr instead of git? | 16:52 |
| gaaldering | historical reasons? | 16:52 |
| cjwatson | Canonical wrote bzr | 16:52 |
| cjwatson | Before git existed | 16:52 |
| gaaldering | Cool :) | 16:53 |
| xnox | it's not as bad as it sounds, all of the multiple projects are fairly standartised. | 16:53 |
| gaaldering | it took me some time to kind of master git :) | 16:53 |
| gaaldering | im at least going to try and look in the source how it looks like, and why its doing things that i dont want it to do :) | 16:54 |
| gaaldering | im curious | 16:54 |
| xnox | gaaldering: bzr is easy. all svn commands map to direct equivalents in bzr + one needs to know "push" and "pull", which by default does sensible things with pushing/pulling tags unlike git. | 16:54 |
| gaaldering | xnox: but the part i want to look in is partman right? | 16:58 |
| cjwatson | Probably partman-lvm or partman-auto-lvm | 16:58 |
| gaaldering | in regards to the stuff we spoke about | 16:58 |
| cjwatson | It'll use facilities from partman-base and partman-auto | 16:58 |
| gaaldering | but the debian installer actually downloads the partman udebs right? | 17:02 |
| gaaldering | or is that build-in like net-retriever | 17:02 |
| xnox | gaaldering: depends on the type of the build. can be either. | 17:03 |
| gaaldering | xnox: im mainly interested in partman-auto-lvm and partman-lvm | 17:03 |
| xnox | gaaldering: server/desktop has them built-in, mini and pxe boot download them. | 17:03 |
| gaaldering | im using pxe network preseed installs | 17:03 |
| gaaldering | autolvm.sh :) | 17:08 |
| gaaldering | xnox: is almost everything in partman written in shell? | 17:09 |
| xnox | gaaldering: yes. | 17:10 |
| gaaldering | cool :) | 17:11 |
| xnox | gaaldering: there are things that are not shell, busybox ( to provide /bin/sh ), various filesystem unitilies, partman-server itself, and a few other helper tools for networking and some-such. | 17:11 |
| xnox | gaaldering: but all of the installer and partman logic is in shell. | 17:11 |
| gaaldering | i think in my case i dont have to go into that much detail | 17:11 |
| xnox | yeah =) | 17:11 |
| gaaldering | thanks a lot | 17:12 |
| gaaldering | for pointing things out to me | 17:12 |
| xnox | no problem =) | 17:12 |
| gaaldering | my servers are installing in 3 minutes now :) | 17:13 |
| gaaldering | from start to prompt | 17:14 |
| gaaldering | now some nice disk recipe which i can use so resizing vm disks will be easy and im good to go :) | 17:15 |
| gaaldering | dinner time :) thanks again! | 17:15 |
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