=== Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [05:59] morning all [06:49] \o MooDoo [06:51] always me n you MartijnVdS at this time of the morning eh! [06:55] yeah, early birds :) [06:55] * MartijnVdS gets another worm === mungbean is now known as Guest61082 === Oli`` is now known as oli === alan_g|EOD is now known as alan_g === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk === msm is now known as Guest67875 [08:50] Anybody using hangouts instead of gtalk on android, have you found a way to only show online contacts instead of everybody regardless of status, I can't find one & googling suggests there isn't a way, resorted to removing hangouts & going back to gtalk on a usability basis === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea [08:56] DJones: there doesn't seem to be an option [08:57] Yeah, that was my conclusion as well [08:57] Ah well, I'll stick with gtalk [08:58] I hadn't realised how annoying hangouts was until last night spending 6 hours in A&E and not being able to tell if people were online to let them know === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g [09:06] Yeah, I think Hangouts is Google's attempt at BBM [09:06] which, in the process, breaks it being a Jabber system [09:06] It also seems impossible to uninstall [09:07] The Chrome extension on the desktop is a sure-fire way to turn any computer into a space heater [09:07] 'cos when it's running, the only thing it will do is make heat and nothing else o note [09:07] BigRedS: Its easy to uninstall, just go to application manager, find hangouts and remove updates, that's reverted back to GTalk, then set the phone not to update automatically to stop it being upgraded [09:09] good morning evryone, === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [09:24] DJones: Ah! Didn't think of that. I got a new phone instead :) [09:24] well, not quite instead, but about two days after installing hangouts [09:24] Hah, maybe not the most cost effective method [09:27] Hey guys - my apache memory usage spiked at 8:30 this morning, what could the apache logs tell me about which request it was that caused memory to spike? [09:29] it could only tell you what was being accessed at that time [09:29] maybe if you had any errors it might be in the error log, but that all depends how your php/whatever is coded [09:30] yeah, there were no errors to speak of [09:30] just looking at my munin/newrelic graphs memory started spiking in apache at 8.40 [09:30] then it can't really help you [09:38] You'd need your app to be doing the logging, really, to tell why that is [09:38] all Apache's done is pass the request off to PHP or whatever and waited for the output [10:00] pink [10:01] blue? === Guest61082 is now known as mungbean [10:02] !ping [10:02] pong! [10:02] ah thats better === mungbean is now known as Guest61585 [10:03] Morning all [10:03] morning davmor2 [10:10] would anyone in here be intested in an irc app for ubuntu touch? [10:11] anyone in here got ubuntu touch? [10:11] some people do [10:11] I don't [10:11] but I'm interested in using the SDK to create an irc app [10:11] it's not overly complicated [10:11] good place to start learning [10:13] Good morning peeps :) [10:18] hooble doop woop bigcalm [10:18] o.O [10:18] o/ [10:19] SuperMatt: yeah, that would be an important application for me, but I am not sure I will get an Ubuntu Touch device [10:32] phew - glad I had newrelic and nagios monitoring the systems. [10:34] If you have New Relic will it not quite probably have a stack trace of whatever went on? [11:17] Hiiiiii [11:19] dvrr: hello [11:20] hi how are you [11:20] MooDoo [11:21] fine thans [11:21] thanks [11:22] doo doo doo [11:22] come on and do the conga [11:23] * neuro just had the biggest bowl of cheerios, ever, so a sugar rush is on [11:23] * MooDoo slaps neuro with a kipper, calm down young man [11:23] bouncebouncebouncebouncebouncebouncebouncebounce [11:24] the wonderful thing about neuro is neuro is wonderful thing ;) [11:24] just got an email from the lottery just now, telling me the tickets are going up to £2/line from 5th October [11:24] really? [11:24] i'd heard mutterings about it, but didn't think they'd actually do it [11:24] sigh [11:24] really [11:24] bring it in line with the euromillions [11:24] http://www.national-lottery.co.uk/player/p/help/lotterydrawgames/lotto.ftl [11:25] 3 matches = £25 [11:25] 4 matches = £100 [11:25] 5 = £1000 [11:25] 5 + bonus = £50,000 [11:25] 6 balls = £2.5m wed, £5m sat [11:25] MooDoo : samba server i face very difficult [11:26] oh and 5 and 5 + bonus are down from £1500 and £100,000 respectively [11:26] dvrr: what you're trying to setup a samba server? [11:26] it's apt-get installable, piece of cake [11:26] dvrr: https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/samba-fileserver.html [11:26] i configured samba server i given sharing also [11:26] unless you're doing crazy stuff with WINS or domain controllers [11:27] there are hundreds of tutorials on the net [11:27] but user permissions read & write [11:28] dvrr: as long as read only = no in the conf file it should be ok [11:28] filesystem permissions? [11:29] 20 mini back delete some one how to find client ip address [11:29] look in /var/log/samba/ [11:32] 20 minutes back deleted samba share folder files someone how to find [11:32] oops [11:33] MooDoo [11:33] dvrr: hello [11:33] you should shutdown the system immediately and use extundelete from a live cd [11:33] how to find client ip address [11:33] if you're using an ext3 or ext4 fs [11:33] ext4 fs [11:34] dvrr: if they are at their machine get them to visit http://www.whatsmyip.org/ and i'll show you what it is at top of page === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away [11:35] MooDoo: only useful if the client is not on the same LAN :) === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [11:36] dvrr: what do you mean by "find client ip address", do you mean of a samba client computer? someone accessing a samba share? [11:36] client same LAN only 30 members users [11:36] ok [11:36] dvrr: what os do they use [11:36] so like i said about 8 minutes ago [11:37] look in /var/log/samba/ [11:37] on the samba server [11:37] you'll see the details of all users accessing shares === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [11:41] neuro: i have only one user [11:42] so it should be easy to check the logs under /var/log/samba/ and find the user's details :) [11:43] or you could do this: netstat -an | grep ^udp | grep -e :137 -e :138 [11:43] neuro: netstat -anu [11:43] which would show you any connections to the samba ports [11:43] meh :) [11:43] neuro: which should filter UDP for you ;) [11:43] it should indeed [11:43] also, 445? [11:44] netstat -an | grep -e :137 -e :138 -e :445 [11:44] then [11:44] grep -e ':13[78]|445' ? [11:44] grep -e ':(13[78]|445)' ? [11:44] too early in the morning for those kinds of shenanigans [11:45] crikey just run ipconfig on the machine that's trying to connect and grep the logs for it's IP lol [11:45] :) [11:50] sorry did I sound frustrated there? [11:50] a smidge [11:50] ooops ;) [11:50] don't worry, i do that all the time [11:51] I wasn't lol [11:51] google is your friend :D === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch === msm is now known as Guest99908 === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:26] hello i can't get back into ubuntu [13:26] i can't do grub-install for somereason === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [13:29] it ask's if /dev is mounted [13:30] help plz [13:30] arc__: if you don't get a response here, it might be better to ask in #ubuntu (the official support channel) [13:31] we need more information, simply saying that, doesnt say much. [13:31] ok but i will ask here cuz you guys nomaly help anyway === alan_g_ is now known as alan_g === alan_g is now known as alan_g|afk === alan_g|afk is now known as alan_g [14:01] how do i use grub-install [14:02] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing this help arc__ ? [14:04] ok it is cuz when i do grub-install /dev/sda is says is /dev monuted [14:06] not sure have a read around of that page i sent you, there are other options you can look at [14:07] ok but that should work it did before but i did a xp install [14:20] ... *is* /dev mounted? === Dave is now known as Dave2 [14:38] czajkowski: ping [14:47] bigcalm: semi kinda pong [14:47] o/ [14:54] * AlanBell pre-orders a phone [14:54] AlanBell: whatcha getting? :) [14:55] Peak+ [14:55] cool :) [14:55] http://shop.geeksphone.com/en/phones/8-peak.html [14:57] http://www.vps.me/order might interest people, they are giving away free VPS's, never seen that before o.O [14:57] I don't think you get a dedicated ipv4 address, but still not bad [15:01] * dwatkins wonders how much bandwidth his irssi session uses a month [15:05] czajkowski: prod [15:05] davmor2: stabs [15:05] czajkowski: prod [15:06] davmor2: stabs [15:06] czajkowski: prod [15:06] davmor2: *glares* [15:06] czajkowski: hows the hens settling in now, how's you, how's Jon, how's the new job? [15:09] hens are good [15:09] new house arrived for them today [15:09] jon is good recovered from his surprise trip to Disney last week [15:09] INTERROGATION ALERT! [15:09] job is excelent :) [15:14] Does anyone know if TalkTalk has native ipv6 support? [15:14] czajkowski: nice [15:15] davmor2: aye it was a laugh [15:17] neuro: No I haven't had a catch up with czajkowski for a bit :) [15:18] Azelphur: After experience with talk talk at work, I'd be surprised if they had two carrier pidgeons never mind anything involving transmission of electrical signals down wires [15:18] lol [15:21] We moved some lines from BT to Talk Talk and they completely messed (swear filter correction) that up, internet line went down inside a week and took 48 hours to fix [15:22] DJones: atm I have talktalk continually sending out engineers to disconnect my phone line :) [15:22] I have to run outside and tell them to gtfo [15:22] Heh, that doesn't surprise me, if they disconnect it, they don't have to fix it [15:22] I thought you were with Sky Broadband [15:23] I was a while back [15:23] when I got fibre I went with talktalk since they were significantly cheaper [15:23] not the greatest of moves [15:23] I may be the only person to be happy with them, but I can't say I've ever had any issues that they couldn't resolve [15:25] yea, they have resolved all my problems [15:25] I hate the P2P throttling though, VERY aggressive [15:25] My parents are with BT at the minute but thinking about going to Sky, I keep explaining to them that moving to Sky won't improve much, they'll still be using the same copper cable to the same long distance exchange [15:25] DJones: you get some difference, Sky is unbundled everywhere now [15:26] and BTs hardware was a bit crap last I checked [15:26] Yeah, but its not going to improve much above the 3.5Mb they get at the minute with BT [15:27] DJones: you'd be surprised, I got a second line in my parents house on sky, so same stuff, same house, same everything [15:27] my dads enta.net connection pulled about 2-4mbit [15:27] mine did 16 === Hornet- is now known as Hornet [15:28] LjL: Thats not a bad improvement, Sky speed checker says about the same speed though for them [15:28] Azelphur: sky unbundled everywhere? don't think so :( [15:28] http://www.samknows.com/broadband/index.php/map/exchangeCoverage?template=true&isp=easynet&type= [15:28] look at all those red dots [15:28] neuro: oh, thought we had 100% unbundled now [15:28] sadly not [15:29] i keep hearing about people on talktalk getting lines disconnected by accident [15:29] my boss got hit with that, he was fuming [15:30] neuro: happened to me /twice/ only been living here a few months [15:30] DJones: the only way they'll see a speed boost is to switch to VDSL or cable [15:30] Azelphur: really? jeez :( [15:30] second time they did it I caught the engineer doing it and told him to plug me back in. [15:30] neuro: yea, seems they are trying to disconnect a different flat that isn't me, but they have my phone number. [15:31] so they think my number corresponds to a different flat [15:31] i'd put money on them being kelly comms guys rather than openreach [15:31] neuro: Cable is a pipe dream where they live, a few miles from any exchange on a road between villages, with no chance of cable being installed [15:31] neuro: kelly comms? [15:31] vdsl/"fibre", then? [15:31] yea, "fibre" [15:31] Azelphur: openreach outsource some of their work to Kelly Communications [15:32] fun [15:32] they seem to be a bit ... flaky [15:32] Fibre.... Lol, more likely to get asbestos fibres than BT Fibre :) [15:32] depends how far they are from their cab [17:01] dammit [17:01] i keep typing 'bzip' instead of 'bzip2' and i get this mahoosive reminder of what packages provide the thing i'm probably trying to type :) [17:02] did you mean jzip? [17:02] gzip? [17:02] bzrp? [17:02] etc [17:03] so, this should be interesting ... [17:20] I'm trying out HaikuOS - it's actually kinda usable now. It's still a long way behind Ubuntu - a decade at least - but still I'm impressed [17:21] woop :D [17:22] ipv6 graaaaaar [17:22] haiku had ipv6. [17:22] has* [17:22] haiku has ipv6. [17:23] I can't try that cos my ISP's router doesn't support it [17:24] Haiku_debutant: how's writing software for Haiku? I might give it a whirl [17:24] finally, sorted. [17:24] been meaning to sort out ipv6 irc for ages [17:25] It seems hard to grasp, but I lack experience slvr [17:25] it is more or less based on c++ and the BeOS then Haiku api. [17:25] had to do like 3 levels of certification on he.net in 5 minutes to get it working properly (they block outbound irc and smtp by default on their ipv6 tunnels unless you do their online certification) [17:26] Do any British ISPs give out ipv6 routers? I haven't come across any [17:26] ah, very BeOS-like? can't be too hard then. [17:26] * neuro makes woot noises: http://ipv6.he.net/certification/scoresheet.php?pass_name=neuro [17:26] It's supposed to be based on Beos code from the little i've read [17:27] the old BeOS handbooks were *excellent* references back in the day [17:27] Haiku_debutant: only the deskbar and tracker, which was released as OSS from beos is equal, in system, the rest is compatible but inspired by. and enhanced. [17:28] was just about to type that [17:28] brobostigon: jinx [17:28] neuro: :) [17:29] doubt the current owners would ever give away the code [17:30] neuro: tracker and deskbar were opensourced by BE before they went bust, but i would agreed as the BeOS source as a whole. [17:30] I never used Beos. A lot of people came across it as an early example of a live CD; is that right? [17:30] yeah, i was meaning the lower level stuff [17:31] Haiku_debutant: not just that, but installing a running a system from a system image, and booting off that. [17:31] * neuro loved it [17:31] Haiku_debutant: directly off that FS image. [17:31] i had R3 running on a dual pentium pro with 256MB RAM [17:32] Haiku was easy to install - though I did have to read the instructions - it's along time since I had to do that with any Linux system [17:32] the BeBox was the shiz. [17:32] oh how i wanted one [17:33] * brobostigon puts his hand up proudly. :) [17:33] I'm runing it on a P4 1.5 with 512Ram [17:33] jeez, that cpu was a glint in Intel's eye when I was running it :) [17:33] bah, search ebay for bebox and it says "0 results found for bebox, so we searched for bebo" and it's all womens shoes :P [17:34] agreed, those who have one, keep hold of it, and will almost never sell it. [17:34] neuro: Suit you sir, womens shoes, sir, suit you sir [17:34] How much would one expect to pay for a bebox if it could be found? Is it collectable? [17:34] lol [17:34] it's rare as hens teeth [17:34] I'm out then :( [17:35] Haiku_debutant: very collectable, i wouldnt sell mine for less than 4 figures. [17:35] i'll give you a fiver [17:35] plus a fiver [17:35] plus a fiver (you see where this is going) [17:35] not a chance. [17:35] what speed is yours? [17:36] quad 333mhz. [17:36] wut? [17:36] did you swap out the 603s or something? [17:36] nope, [17:37] look it up, they made very few of the model. === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away [17:37] according to le wiki, they never got past the 66 and 133 models with dual 603s [17:38] http://www.flickr.com/photos/84822102@N00/94504235/ [17:38] So that would be in the region of 486s or not comparable? [17:38] prototype quad 604 which "never saw the light of day" [17:39] Man I want a prototype version just to be able to say I have a hobbit powering my machine :0 [17:39] :) [17:39] :) [17:39] two hobbits! [17:39] neuro: yep, those, i was lucky, to get my hands on one, as i was in nda with BE as doing some planned design. [17:40] aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah [17:40] Haiku_debutant: powerpc 603 is probably close to a low-end pentium in terms of capability [17:40] I don't own anything rare, except may a Dreamcast (200 quid at most probably) [17:41] ha [17:41] if you had a massive bundle of games and accessories, maybe [17:41] someone is selling one with 10 games and two joypads for 35 quid on ebay right now [17:41] the issue is, so few come on the market, that that adds immense price to them, when they do. [17:41] well yeah [17:42] like i said, hens teeth :) [17:42] yep :) [17:42] i really should dig out my dreamcast from my Pile of Stuff and play it again [17:42] VMU batteries are probably long dea [17:43] d [17:43] but i have a vga adapter and the ethernet adapter :) [17:44] I don't really understand why the Dreamcast failed so badly. It was as good as anything else at that time [17:44] Haiku_debutant: remeber the betamax ? [17:44] Good point [17:45] Haiku_debutant: read this: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/dreamcast-a-forensic-retrospective-article [17:46] the saturn was the real issue [17:46] no-one had confidence in sega after that [17:47] http://old.neuro.me.uk/pics/2002/12/dcnetbsd/?01 [17:50] that thing was a battleship of noise [17:50] quieter than an xbox 360 though :) [17:51] looking at that second pic, i forgot how much STUFF i had! [17:51] maybe a launch model [17:51] :D [17:52] oh yeah if i could go back and stop myself with some crazy purchases [17:52] but eh, i suppose it was fun [17:52] dreamcast, gamecube, ps2, xbox (long since sold), saturn, psone, tivo (also long since sold) ... [17:52] twas [17:52] the psone and ps2 were both the fault of the duty free Dixons at edinburgh airport [17:53] i paid for, and signed the preorder form for my ps2 while getting last called to the gate :P [17:58] XD [17:58] pressure moment [17:58] 'BUT GADGETS!' [18:47] gadgets always beats cattleclass air travel [18:47] it's like rock paper scissors in that respect [18:48] rock-paper-ipad [18:48] although technically gadgets is the trump-all [18:48] nothing can beat gadgets [18:48] I found my weakness in Atlanta, gadget vending machines [18:48] shauno: :-o [18:48] shauno: don't go to Japan then.. beer vending machines [18:49] gadget vending machines? as in you don't have to "win" them? [18:49] put in your CC, an ipod pops out? [18:49] they have those machines here that pretend to be a skill-based game [18:50] and when you win, you look at the box and realise it's an android 2.smth clamshell laptop with 8inch screen [18:51] hm, a beer vending machine would come in handy right now [18:53] heh, google just announced in my inbox (perverts) that you can use git to deploy direct to appengine (seriously, perverts!) [18:53] that's pretty common among PaaS providers [18:54] it's new to google tho [18:55] true [18:55] "introducting the google cloud console" ooh yeah baby "the google cloud console provides a _unified_ console for managing your google cloud platform services, including all google apis" *gasm* [18:57] why do google make product announcements sound sexual? [18:57] or is it just me that notices it? [18:58] we've reached the 0.25 stage on indiegogo tho, which _is_ sexual [19:00] WHART?! ubuntu edge is cheaper than an apple ipwn?! and people still aren't buying into the scheme in their droves?? that's nucking futs! [19:02] the ubu-touch mailing list has been alive with argument over how canonical "should" have run the campaign to ensure it succeeds. it's carnage. [19:02] we have a saying in Dutch: [19:02] "De beste stuurlui staan aan wal" [19:03] diddledan: glad i'm not on that mailing list then :D [19:04] MartijnVdS: dare I ask? [19:04] diddledan: stuurlui = boatsmen, "aan wal" = on shore/at the docks [19:05] the best sailors are those that stay ashore? [19:05] diddledan: well no, you have to imagine people shouting "NO LEFT" "NO THE OTHER LEFT" from shore, while the guy doing the actual work is doing his best [19:05] aha [19:05] gotcha [19:05] diddledan: so they seem to be the best, but they're not actually [19:06] "the best coaches are always in the sands" seems to be people translate it? [19:06] we have that when someone's reversing a car "left hand down a bit.. left hand down a bit" [19:07] *crunch* "left hand down a bit" [19:07] Alternatively, someone suggests: "bachelor's wives and maiden's children are well taught" [19:07] strange language blogs 8-) [19:08] really, every language is strange except your own [19:08] That's true. [19:08] nah, my language is strange too. english is full-on psychotic in places [19:09] shauno: heck yes [19:09] though I learned basic English at such a young age, I don't even remember learning it [19:09] shauno: but that's the great thing about it :) [19:10] MartijnVdS: I wish foreign languages had been taught to me at an earlier age than they were [19:10] Infinite punning is a great feature of English :) (though apparently, French has this ability as well) [19:10] what determines whether KMS is enabled or not? [19:10] had to wait until I was 13(?) [19:10] diddledan: I still hate French and German because I could never get the articles right [19:10] diddledan: 12-13 here for French/German [19:10] I never understood German, but French kinda made sense to me [19:11] except knowing whether it's feminine or masculine for a noun [19:11] 9-10 for English, but I had a computer so it's more like 5-6 (and my grandmother watched a lot of BBC) [19:11] nice [19:11] computer ftw [19:11] diddledan: I can read German fine, and French ok-ish.. Spanish is usually a bit easier. [19:12] daftykins: I believe it's always enabled for any driver that supports it unless specifically turned off on the kernel commandline [19:12] I think exposure's the big thing. computer/internet for one, countries that don't dub TV/movies, etc [19:12] shauno: yeah we get subtitles [19:12] subtitles are much better than dubbing [19:12] imagine the whole slew of foreigners who don't know how Homer Simpson really sounds?! [19:13] I think the other catch we face is that we're taught that impersonating someone's accent = making fun of them. it's not striving for accuracy, it's fawlty towers [19:13] er, /s/face/fact [19:13] diddledan: D'oh! [19:14] diddledan: I've watched the simpsons in czech. it was funny for all the wrong reasons [19:14] lol [19:14] I've watched a marathon on US TV around christmas [19:14] well a week before [19:14] that was weird.. 24h of Simpsons :) [19:14] phoo, tiring [19:15] diddledan: this guys got a 13.04 install on a macbook where the liveCD boots but the install doesn't after trying bumblebee once (and reinstalling) [19:15] I've given up trying to stay awake 24 hours straight. I just can't do it [19:15] diddledan: the xorg.conf from the LiveCD (well USB) shows KMS enabled and carries on booting with nouveau, whilst the installed version flags KMS disabled and doesn't pick nouveau [19:16] hmm [19:16] oops not xorg.conf. Xorg.0.log [19:16] I would guess there's vestiges of the nvidia-driver still on the system [19:16] it's a clean install [19:16] that really doesn't make sense then [19:16] it all broke after bumblebee so he wiped it [19:16] http://paste.ubuntu.com/5955910/ <--working LiveCD [19:17] http://paste.ubuntu.com/5955911/ <-- broken install [19:17] curious bit after line 241 [19:17] (in both) [19:18] line 153 says it's still trying the nvidia driver [19:18] in the second [19:19] maybe the installer detected the presence of nvidia hardware and included the nvidia driver as part of the post-install cleanup when it downloads mp3 etc. [19:20] both bits are in both [19:20] oh, you're right. I overlooked that [19:20] donno then :-p [19:20] hmm does it really put additional drivers on from install these days 0o [19:20] i got him to boot the original kernel in case it was an update thing [19:21] but no change apparently [19:21] can he paste dmesg output? [19:21]