[05:59] <MooDoo> morning all
[06:49] <MartijnVdS> \o MooDoo
[06:51] <MooDoo> always me n you MartijnVdS at this time of the morning eh!
[06:55] <MartijnVdS> yeah, early birds :)
[06:55]  * MartijnVdS gets another worm
[08:50] <DJones> Anybody using hangouts instead of gtalk on android, have you found a way to only show online contacts instead of everybody regardless of status, I can't find one & googling suggests there isn't a way, resorted to removing hangouts & going back to gtalk on a usability basis
[08:56] <MooDoo> DJones: there doesn't seem to be an option
[08:57] <DJones> Yeah, that was my conclusion as well
[08:57] <DJones> Ah well, I'll stick with gtalk
[08:58] <DJones> I hadn't realised how annoying hangouts was until last night spending 6 hours in A&E and not being able to tell if people were online to let them know
[09:06] <BigRedS>  Yeah, I think Hangouts is Google's attempt at BBM
[09:06] <BigRedS> which, in the process, breaks it being a Jabber system
[09:06] <BigRedS> It also seems impossible to uninstall
[09:07] <mgdm> The Chrome extension on the desktop is a sure-fire way to turn any computer into a space heater
[09:07] <mgdm> 'cos when it's running, the only thing it will do is make heat and nothing else o note
[09:07] <DJones> BigRedS: Its easy to uninstall, just go to application manager, find hangouts and remove updates, that's reverted back to GTalk, then set the phone not to update automatically to stop it being upgraded
[09:09] <brobostigon> good morning evryone,
[09:24] <BigRedS> DJones: Ah! Didn't think of that. I got a new phone instead :)
[09:24] <BigRedS> well, not quite instead, but about two days after installing hangouts
[09:24] <DJones> Hah, maybe not the most cost effective method
[09:27] <andylockran> Hey guys - my apache memory usage spiked at 8:30 this morning, what could the apache logs tell me about which request it was that caused memory to spike?
[09:29] <SuperMatt> it could only tell you what was being accessed at that time
[09:29] <SuperMatt> maybe if you had any errors it might be in the error log, but that all depends how your php/whatever is coded
[09:30] <andylockran> yeah, there were no errors to speak of
[09:30] <andylockran> just looking at my munin/newrelic graphs memory started spiking in apache at 8.40
[09:30] <SuperMatt> then it can't really help you
[09:38] <BigRedS> You'd need your app to be doing the logging, really, to tell why that is
[09:38] <BigRedS> all Apache's done is pass the request off to PHP or whatever and waited for the output
[10:00] <Guest61082> pink
[10:01] <MooDoo> blue?
[10:02] <mungbean> !ping
[10:02] <mungbean> ah thats better
[10:03] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:03] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[10:10] <SuperMatt> would anyone in here be intested in an irc app for ubuntu touch?
[10:11] <MooDoo> anyone in here got ubuntu touch?
[10:11] <SuperMatt> some people do
[10:11] <SuperMatt> I don't
[10:11] <SuperMatt> but I'm interested in using the SDK to create an irc app
[10:11] <SuperMatt> it's not overly complicated
[10:11] <SuperMatt> good place to start learning
[10:13] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:18] <SuperMatt> hooble doop woop bigcalm
[10:18] <bigcalm> o.O
[10:18] <bigcalm> o/
[10:19] <AlanBell> SuperMatt: yeah, that would be an important application for me, but I am not sure I will get an Ubuntu Touch device
[10:32] <andylockran> phew - glad I had newrelic and nagios monitoring the systems.
[10:34] <mgdm> If you have New Relic will it not quite probably have a stack trace of whatever went on?
[11:17] <dvrr> Hiiiiii
[11:19] <MooDoo> dvrr: hello
[11:20] <dvrr> hi how  are you
[11:20] <dvrr> MooDoo
[11:21] <MooDoo> fine thans
[11:21] <MooDoo> thanks
[11:22] <neuro> doo doo doo
[11:22] <neuro> come on and do the conga
[11:23]  * neuro just had the biggest bowl of cheerios, ever, so a sugar rush is on
[11:23]  * MooDoo slaps neuro with a kipper, calm down young man
[11:23] <neuro> bouncebouncebouncebouncebouncebouncebouncebounce
[11:24] <MooDoo> the wonderful thing about neuro is neuro is wonderful thing ;)
[11:24] <neuro> just got an email from the lottery just now, telling me the tickets are going up to £2/line from 5th October
[11:24] <MooDoo> really?
[11:24] <neuro> i'd heard mutterings about it, but didn't think they'd actually do it
[11:24] <MooDoo> sigh
[11:24] <neuro> really
[11:24] <MooDoo> bring it in line with the euromillions
[11:24] <neuro> http://www.national-lottery.co.uk/player/p/help/lotterydrawgames/lotto.ftl
[11:25] <neuro> 3 matches = £25
[11:25] <neuro> 4 matches = £100
[11:25] <neuro> 5 = £1000
[11:25] <neuro> 5 + bonus = £50,000
[11:25] <neuro> 6 balls = £2.5m wed, £5m sat
[11:25] <dvrr> MooDoo :  samba server i face  very difficult
[11:26] <neuro> oh and 5 and 5 + bonus are down from £1500 and £100,000 respectively
[11:26] <MooDoo> dvrr: what you're trying to setup a samba server?
[11:26] <neuro> it's apt-get installable, piece of cake
[11:26] <MooDoo> dvrr: https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/samba-fileserver.html
[11:26] <dvrr> i  configured samba server  i given sharing also
[11:26] <neuro> unless you're doing crazy stuff with WINS or domain controllers
[11:27] <MooDoo> there are hundreds of tutorials on the net
[11:27] <dvrr> but user permissions read & write
[11:28] <MooDoo> dvrr: as long as read only = no in the conf file it should be ok
[11:28] <neuro> filesystem permissions?
[11:29] <dvrr> 20  mini back  delete some one  how to find client ip address
[11:29] <neuro> look in /var/log/samba/
[11:32] <dvrr> 20 minutes  back  deleted  samba   share  folder   files  someone how to find
[11:32] <neuro> oops
[11:33] <dvrr> MooDoo
[11:33] <MooDoo> dvrr: hello
[11:33] <neuro> you should shutdown the system immediately and use extundelete from a live cd
[11:33] <dvrr> how to find  client ip address
[11:33] <neuro> if you're using an ext3 or ext4 fs
[11:33] <dvrr> ext4 fs
[11:34] <MooDoo> dvrr: if they are at their machine get them to visit http://www.whatsmyip.org/ and i'll show you what it is at top of page
[11:35] <neuro> MooDoo: only useful if the client is not on the same LAN :)
[11:36] <neuro> dvrr: what do you mean by "find client ip address", do you mean of a samba client computer? someone accessing a samba share?
[11:36] <dvrr> client same  LAN  only 30 members users
[11:36] <neuro> ok
[11:36] <MooDoo> dvrr: what os do they use
[11:36] <neuro> so like i said about 8 minutes ago
[11:37] <neuro> look in /var/log/samba/
[11:37] <neuro> on the samba server
[11:37] <neuro> you'll see the details of all users accessing shares
[11:41] <dvrr> neuro: i have  only one user
[11:42] <neuro> so it should be easy to check the logs under /var/log/samba/ and find the user's details :)
[11:43] <neuro> or you could do this: netstat -an | grep ^udp | grep -e :137 -e :138
[11:43] <MartijnVdS> neuro: netstat -anu
[11:43] <neuro> which would show you any connections to the samba ports
[11:43] <neuro> meh :)
[11:43] <MartijnVdS> neuro: which should filter UDP for you ;)
[11:43] <neuro> it should indeed
[11:43] <MartijnVdS> also, 445?
[11:44] <neuro> netstat -an | grep -e :137 -e :138 -e :445
[11:44] <neuro> then
[11:44] <MartijnVdS> grep -e ':13[78]|445' ?
[11:44] <MartijnVdS> grep -e ':(13[78]|445)' ?
[11:44] <neuro> too early in the morning for those kinds of shenanigans
[11:45] <MooDoo> crikey just run ipconfig on the machine that's trying to connect and grep the logs for it's IP lol
[11:45] <neuro> :)
[11:50] <MooDoo> sorry did I sound frustrated there?
[11:50] <neuro> a smidge
[11:50] <MooDoo> ooops ;)
[11:50] <neuro> don't worry, i do that all the time
[11:51] <MooDoo> I wasn't lol
[11:51] <MooDoo> google is your friend :D
[13:26] <arc__> hello i can't get back into ubuntu
[13:26] <arc__> i can't do grub-install for somereason
[13:29] <arc__> it ask's if /dev is mounted
[13:30] <arc__> help plz
[13:30] <Seeker`> arc__: if you don't get a response here, it might be better to ask in #ubuntu (the official support channel)
[13:31] <brobostigon> we need more information, simply saying that, doesnt say much.
[13:31] <arc__> ok but i will ask here cuz you guys nomaly help anyway
[14:01] <arc__> how do i use grub-install
[14:02] <MooDoo> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing this help arc__ ?
[14:04] <arc__> ok it is cuz when i do grub-install /dev/sda is says is /dev monuted
[14:06] <MooDoo> not sure have a read around of that page i sent you, there are other options you can look at
[14:07] <arc__> ok but that should work it did before but i did a xp install
[14:20] <directhex> ... *is* /dev mounted?
[14:38] <bigcalm> czajkowski: ping
[14:47] <czajkowski> bigcalm: semi kinda pong
[14:47] <bigcalm> o/
[14:54]  * AlanBell pre-orders a phone
[14:54] <Azelphur> AlanBell: whatcha getting? :)
[14:55] <AlanBell> Peak+
[14:55] <Azelphur> cool :)
[14:55] <AlanBell> http://shop.geeksphone.com/en/phones/8-peak.html
[14:57] <Azelphur> http://www.vps.me/order might interest people, they are giving away free VPS's, never seen that before o.O
[14:57] <Azelphur> I don't think you get a dedicated ipv4 address, but still not bad
[15:01]  * dwatkins wonders how much bandwidth his irssi session uses a month
[15:05] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod
[15:05] <czajkowski> davmor2: stabs
[15:05] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod
[15:06] <czajkowski> davmor2: stabs
[15:06] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod
[15:06] <czajkowski> davmor2: *glares*
[15:06] <davmor2> czajkowski: hows the hens settling in now, how's you, how's Jon, how's the new job?
[15:09] <czajkowski> hens are good
[15:09] <czajkowski> new house arrived for them today
[15:09] <czajkowski> jon is good recovered from his surprise trip to Disney last week
[15:09] <neuro> INTERROGATION ALERT!
[15:09] <czajkowski> job is excelent :)
[15:14] <Azelphur> Does anyone know if TalkTalk has native ipv6 support?
[15:14] <davmor2> czajkowski: nice
[15:15] <czajkowski> davmor2: aye it was a laugh
[15:17] <davmor2> neuro: No I haven't had a catch up with czajkowski for a bit :)
[15:18] <DJones> Azelphur: After experience with talk talk at work, I'd be surprised if they had two carrier pidgeons never mind anything involving transmission of electrical signals down wires
[15:18] <Azelphur> lol
[15:21] <DJones> We moved some lines from BT to Talk Talk and they completely messed (swear filter correction) that up, internet line went down inside a week and took 48 hours to fix
[15:22] <Azelphur> DJones: atm I have talktalk continually sending out engineers to disconnect my phone line :)
[15:22] <Azelphur> I have to run outside and tell them to gtfo
[15:22] <DJones> Heh, that doesn't surprise me, if they disconnect it, they don't have to fix it
[15:22] <DJones> I thought you were with Sky Broadband
[15:23] <Azelphur> I was a while back
[15:23] <Azelphur> when I got fibre I went with talktalk since they were significantly cheaper
[15:23] <Azelphur> not the greatest of moves
[15:23] <DJones> I may be the only person to be happy with them, but I can't say I've ever had any issues that they couldn't resolve
[15:25] <Azelphur> yea, they have resolved all my problems
[15:25] <Azelphur> I hate the P2P throttling though, VERY aggressive
[15:25] <DJones> My parents are with BT at the minute but thinking about going to Sky, I keep explaining to them that moving to Sky won't improve much, they'll still be using the same copper cable to the same long distance exchange
[15:25] <Azelphur> DJones: you get some difference, Sky is unbundled everywhere now
[15:26] <Azelphur> and BTs hardware was a bit crap last I checked
[15:26] <DJones> Yeah, but its not going to improve much above the 3.5Mb they get at the minute with BT
[15:27] <Azelphur> DJones: you'd be surprised, I got a second line in my parents house on sky, so same stuff, same house, same everything
[15:27] <Azelphur> my dads enta.net connection pulled about 2-4mbit
[15:27] <Azelphur> mine did 16
[15:28] <DJones> LjL: Thats not a bad improvement, Sky speed checker says about the same speed though for them
[15:28] <neuro> Azelphur: sky unbundled everywhere? don't think so :(
[15:28] <neuro> http://www.samknows.com/broadband/index.php/map/exchangeCoverage?template=true&isp=easynet&type=
[15:28] <neuro> look at all those red dots
[15:28] <Azelphur> neuro: oh, thought we had 100% unbundled now
[15:28] <neuro> sadly not
[15:29] <neuro> i keep hearing about people on talktalk getting lines disconnected by accident
[15:29] <neuro> my boss got hit with that, he was fuming
[15:30] <Azelphur> neuro: happened to me /twice/ only been living here a few months
[15:30] <neuro> DJones: the only way they'll see a speed boost is to switch to VDSL or cable
[15:30] <neuro> Azelphur: really? jeez :(
[15:30] <Azelphur> second time they did it I caught the engineer doing it and told him to plug me back in.
[15:30] <Azelphur> neuro: yea, seems they are trying to disconnect a different flat that isn't me, but they have my phone number.
[15:31] <Azelphur> so they think my number corresponds to a different flat
[15:31] <neuro> i'd put money on them being kelly comms guys rather than openreach
[15:31] <DJones> neuro: Cable is a pipe dream where they live, a few miles from any exchange on a road between villages, with no chance of cable being installed
[15:31] <Azelphur> neuro: kelly comms?
[15:31] <neuro> vdsl/"fibre", then?
[15:31] <Azelphur> yea, "fibre"
[15:31] <neuro> Azelphur: openreach outsource some of their work to Kelly Communications
[15:32] <Azelphur> fun
[15:32] <neuro> they seem to be a bit ... flaky
[15:32] <DJones> Fibre.... Lol, more likely to get asbestos fibres than BT Fibre :)
[15:32] <neuro> depends how far they are from their cab
[17:01] <neuro> dammit
[17:01] <neuro> i keep typing 'bzip' instead of 'bzip2' and i get this mahoosive reminder of what packages provide the thing i'm probably trying to type :)
[17:02] <neuro> did you mean jzip?
[17:02] <neuro> gzip?
[17:02] <neuro> bzrp?
[17:02] <neuro> etc
[17:03] <neuro> so, this should be interesting ...
[17:20] <Haiku_debutant> I'm trying out HaikuOS - it's actually kinda usable now. It's still a long way behind Ubuntu - a decade at least - but still I'm impressed
[17:21] <brobostigon> woop :D
[17:22] <neuro> ipv6 graaaaaar
[17:22] <brobostigon> haiku had ipv6.
[17:22] <brobostigon> has*
[17:22] <brobostigon> haiku has ipv6.
[17:23] <Haiku_debutant> I can't try that cos my ISP's router doesn't support it
[17:24] <slvr> Haiku_debutant: how's writing software for Haiku? I might give it a whirl
[17:24] <neuro> finally, sorted.
[17:24] <neuro> been meaning to sort out ipv6 irc for ages
[17:25] <Haiku_debutant> It seems hard to grasp, but I lack experience slvr
[17:25] <brobostigon> it is more or less based on c++ and the BeOS then Haiku api.
[17:25] <neuro> had to do like 3 levels of certification on he.net in 5 minutes to get it working properly (they block outbound irc and smtp by default on their ipv6 tunnels unless you do their online certification)
[17:26] <Haiku_debutant> Do any British ISPs give out ipv6 routers? I haven't come across any
[17:26] <slvr> ah, very BeOS-like? can't be too hard then.
[17:26]  * neuro makes woot noises: http://ipv6.he.net/certification/scoresheet.php?pass_name=neuro
[17:26] <Haiku_debutant> It's supposed to be based on Beos code from the little i've read
[17:27] <slvr> the old BeOS handbooks were *excellent* references back in the day
[17:27] <brobostigon> Haiku_debutant: only the deskbar and tracker, which was released as OSS from beos is equal, in system, the rest is compatible but inspired by. and enhanced.
[17:28] <neuro> was just about to type that
[17:28] <neuro> brobostigon: jinx
[17:28] <brobostigon> neuro: :)
[17:29] <neuro> doubt the current owners would ever give away the code
[17:30] <brobostigon> neuro: tracker and deskbar were opensourced by BE before they went bust, but i would agreed as the BeOS source as a whole.
[17:30] <Haiku_debutant> I never used Beos. A lot of people came across it as an early example of a live CD; is that right?
[17:30] <neuro> yeah, i was meaning the lower level stuff
[17:31] <brobostigon> Haiku_debutant: not just that, but installing a running a system from a system image, and booting off that.
[17:31]  * neuro loved it
[17:31] <brobostigon> Haiku_debutant: directly off that FS image.
[17:31] <neuro> i had R3 running on a dual pentium pro with 256MB RAM
[17:32] <Haiku_debutant> Haiku was easy to install - though I did have to read the instructions - it's along time since I had to do that with any Linux system
[17:32] <slvr> the BeBox was the shiz.
[17:32] <neuro> oh how i wanted one
[17:33]  * brobostigon puts his hand up proudly. :)
[17:33] <Haiku_debutant> I'm runing it on a P4 1.5 with 512Ram
[17:33] <neuro> jeez, that cpu was a glint in Intel's eye when I was running it :)
[17:33] <neuro> bah, search ebay for bebox and it says "0 results found for bebox, so we searched for bebo" and it's all womens shoes :P
[17:34] <brobostigon> agreed, those who have one, keep hold of it, and will almost never sell it.
[17:34] <davmor2> neuro: Suit you sir, womens shoes, sir, suit you sir
[17:34] <Haiku_debutant> How much would one expect to pay for a bebox if it could be found? Is it collectable?
[17:34] <neuro> lol
[17:34] <neuro> it's rare as hens teeth
[17:34] <Haiku_debutant> I'm out then :(
[17:35] <brobostigon> Haiku_debutant: very collectable, i wouldnt sell mine for less than 4 figures.
[17:35] <neuro> i'll give you a fiver
[17:35] <neuro> plus a fiver
[17:35] <neuro> plus a fiver (you see where this is going)
[17:35] <brobostigon> not a chance.
[17:35] <neuro> what speed is yours?
[17:36] <brobostigon> quad 333mhz.
[17:36] <neuro> wut?
[17:36] <neuro> did you swap out the 603s or something?
[17:36] <brobostigon> nope,
[17:37] <brobostigon> look it up, they made very few of the model.
[17:37] <neuro> according to le wiki, they never got past the 66 and 133 models with dual 603s
[17:38] <neuro> http://www.flickr.com/photos/84822102@N00/94504235/
[17:38] <Haiku_debutant> So that would be in the region of 486s or not comparable?
[17:38] <neuro> prototype quad 604 which "never saw the light of day"
[17:39] <davmor2> Man I want a prototype version just to be able to say I have a hobbit powering my machine :0
[17:39] <davmor2> :)
[17:39] <neuro> :)
[17:39] <neuro> two hobbits!
[17:39] <brobostigon> neuro: yep, those, i was lucky, to get my hands on one, as i was in nda with BE as doing some planned design.
[17:40] <neuro> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
[17:40] <neuro> Haiku_debutant: powerpc 603 is probably close to a low-end pentium in terms of capability
[17:40] <Haiku_debutant> I don't own anything rare, except may a Dreamcast (200 quid at most probably)
[17:41] <neuro> ha
[17:41] <neuro> if you had a massive bundle of games and accessories, maybe
[17:41] <neuro> someone is selling one with 10 games and two joypads for 35 quid on ebay right now
[17:41] <brobostigon> the issue is, so few come on the market, that that adds immense price to them, when they do.
[17:41] <neuro> well yeah
[17:42] <neuro> like i said, hens teeth :)
[17:42] <brobostigon> yep :)
[17:42] <neuro> i really should dig out my dreamcast from my Pile of Stuff and play it again
[17:42] <neuro> VMU batteries are probably long dea
[17:43] <neuro> d
[17:43] <neuro> but i have a vga adapter and the ethernet adapter :)
[17:44] <Haiku_debutant> I don't really understand why the Dreamcast failed so badly. It was as good as anything else at that time
[17:44] <brobostigon> Haiku_debutant: remeber the betamax ?
[17:44] <Haiku_debutant> Good point
[17:45] <neuro> Haiku_debutant: read this: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/dreamcast-a-forensic-retrospective-article
[17:46] <neuro> the saturn was the real issue
[17:46] <neuro> no-one had confidence in sega after that
[17:47] <neuro> http://old.neuro.me.uk/pics/2002/12/dcnetbsd/?01
[17:50] <daftykins> that thing was a battleship of noise
[17:50] <neuro> quieter than an xbox 360 though :)
[17:51] <neuro> looking at that second pic, i forgot how much STUFF i had!
[17:51] <daftykins> maybe a launch model
[17:51] <daftykins> :D
[17:52] <daftykins> oh yeah if i could go back and stop myself with some crazy purchases
[17:52] <daftykins> but eh, i suppose it was fun
[17:52] <neuro> dreamcast, gamecube, ps2, xbox (long since sold), saturn, psone, tivo (also long since sold) ...
[17:52] <neuro> twas
[17:52] <neuro> the psone and ps2 were both the fault of the duty free Dixons at edinburgh airport
[17:53] <neuro> i paid for, and signed the preorder form for my ps2 while getting last called to the gate :P
[17:58] <daftykins> XD
[17:58] <daftykins> pressure moment
[17:58] <daftykins> 'BUT GADGETS!'
[18:47] <diddledan> gadgets always beats cattleclass air travel
[18:47] <diddledan> it's like rock paper scissors in that respect
[18:48] <MartijnVdS> rock-paper-ipad
[18:48] <diddledan> although technically gadgets is the trump-all
[18:48] <diddledan> nothing can beat gadgets
[18:48] <shauno> I found my weakness in Atlanta, gadget vending machines
[18:48] <diddledan> shauno: :-o
[18:48] <MartijnVdS> shauno: don't go to Japan then.. beer vending machines
[18:49] <diddledan> gadget vending machines? as in you don't have to "win" them?
[18:49] <MartijnVdS> put in your CC, an ipod pops out?
[18:49] <diddledan> they have those machines here that pretend to be a skill-based game
[18:50] <diddledan> and when you win, you look at the box and realise it's an android 2.smth clamshell laptop with 8inch screen
[18:51] <shauno> hm, a beer vending machine would come in handy right now
[18:53] <diddledan> heh, google just announced in my inbox (perverts) that you can use git to deploy direct to appengine (seriously, perverts!)
[18:53] <mgdm> that's pretty common among PaaS providers
[18:54] <diddledan> it's new to google tho
[18:55] <mgdm> true
[18:55] <diddledan> "introducting the google cloud console" ooh yeah baby "the google cloud console provides a _unified_ console for managing your google cloud platform services, including all google apis" *gasm*
[18:57] <diddledan> why do google make product announcements sound sexual?
[18:57] <diddledan> or is it just me that notices it?
[18:58] <diddledan> we've reached the 0.25 stage on indiegogo tho, which _is_ sexual
[19:00] <diddledan> WHART?! ubuntu edge is cheaper than an apple ipwn?! and people still aren't buying into the scheme in their droves?? that's nucking futs!
[19:02] <diddledan> the ubu-touch mailing list has been alive with argument over how canonical "should" have run the campaign to ensure it succeeds. it's carnage.
[19:02] <MartijnVdS> we have a saying in Dutch:
[19:02] <MartijnVdS> "De beste stuurlui staan aan wal"
[19:03] <MooDoo> diddledan: glad i'm not on that mailing list then :D
[19:04] <diddledan> MartijnVdS: dare I ask?
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: stuurlui = boatsmen, "aan wal" = on shore/at the docks
[19:05] <diddledan> the best sailors are those that stay ashore?
[19:05] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: well no, you have to imagine people shouting "NO LEFT" "NO THE OTHER LEFT" from shore, while the guy doing the actual work is doing his best
[19:05] <diddledan> aha
[19:05] <diddledan> gotcha
[19:05] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: so they seem to be the best, but they're not actually
[19:06] <MartijnVdS> "the best coaches are always in the sands" seems to be people translate it?
[19:06] <diddledan> we have that when someone's reversing a car "left hand down a bit.. left hand down a bit"
[19:07] <diddledan> *crunch* "left hand down a bit"
[19:07] <MartijnVdS> Alternatively, someone suggests: "bachelor's wives and maiden's children are well taught"
[19:07] <MartijnVdS> strange language blogs 8-)
[19:08] <diddledan> really, every language is strange except your own
[19:08] <MartijnVdS> That's true.
[19:08] <shauno> nah, my language is strange too.  english is full-on psychotic in places
[19:09] <diddledan> shauno: heck yes
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> though I learned basic English at such a young age, I don't even remember learning it
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> shauno: but that's the great thing about it :)
[19:10] <diddledan> MartijnVdS: I wish foreign languages had been taught to me at an earlier age than they were
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> Infinite punning is a great feature of English :) (though apparently, French has this ability as well)
[19:10] <daftykins> what determines whether KMS is enabled or not?
[19:10] <diddledan> had to wait until I was 13(?)
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: I still hate French and German because I could never get the articles right
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: 12-13 here for French/German
[19:10] <diddledan> I never understood German, but French kinda made sense to me
[19:11] <diddledan> except knowing whether it's feminine or masculine for a noun
[19:11] <MartijnVdS> 9-10 for English, but I had a computer so it's more like 5-6 (and my grandmother watched a lot of BBC)
[19:11] <diddledan> nice
[19:11] <diddledan> computer ftw
[19:11] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: I can read German fine, and French ok-ish.. Spanish is usually a bit easier.
[19:12] <diddledan> daftykins: I believe it's always enabled for any driver that supports it unless specifically turned off on the kernel commandline
[19:12] <shauno> I think exposure's the big thing.  computer/internet for one, countries that don't dub TV/movies, etc
[19:12] <MartijnVdS> shauno: yeah we get subtitles
[19:12] <diddledan> subtitles are much better than dubbing
[19:12] <diddledan> imagine the whole slew of foreigners who don't know how Homer Simpson really sounds?!
[19:13] <shauno> I think the other catch we face is that we're taught that impersonating someone's accent = making fun of them.  it's not striving for accuracy, it's fawlty towers
[19:13] <shauno> er, /s/face/fact
[19:13] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: D'oh!
[19:14] <shauno> diddledan: I've watched the simpsons in czech.  it was funny for all the wrong reasons
[19:14] <diddledan> lol
[19:14] <MartijnVdS> I've watched a marathon on US TV around christmas
[19:14] <MartijnVdS> well a week before
[19:14] <MartijnVdS> that was weird.. 24h of Simpsons :)
[19:14] <diddledan> phoo, tiring
[19:15] <daftykins> diddledan: this guys got a 13.04 install on a macbook where the liveCD boots but the install doesn't after trying bumblebee once (and reinstalling)
[19:15] <diddledan> I've given up trying to stay awake 24 hours straight. I just can't do it
[19:15] <daftykins> diddledan: the xorg.conf from the LiveCD (well USB) shows KMS enabled and carries on booting with nouveau, whilst the installed version flags KMS disabled and doesn't pick nouveau
[19:16] <diddledan> hmm
[19:16] <daftykins> oops not xorg.conf. Xorg.0.log
[19:16] <diddledan> I would guess there's vestiges of the nvidia-driver still on the system
[19:16] <daftykins> it's a clean install
[19:16] <diddledan> that really doesn't make sense then
[19:16] <daftykins> it all broke after bumblebee so he wiped it
[19:16] <daftykins> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5955910/ <--working LiveCD
[19:17] <daftykins> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5955911/ <-- broken install
[19:17] <daftykins> curious bit after line 241
[19:17] <daftykins> (in both)
[19:18] <diddledan> line 153 says it's still trying the nvidia driver
[19:18] <diddledan> in the second
[19:19] <diddledan> maybe the installer detected the presence of nvidia hardware and included the nvidia driver as part of the post-install cleanup when it downloads mp3 etc.
[19:20] <daftykins> both bits are in both
[19:20] <diddledan> oh, you're right. I overlooked that
[19:20] <diddledan> donno then :-p
[19:20] <daftykins> hmm does it really put additional drivers on from install these days 0o
[19:20] <daftykins> i got him to boot the original kernel in case it was an update thing
[19:21] <daftykins> but no change apparently
[19:21] <diddledan> can he paste dmesg output?
[19:21] <daftykins> nah
[19:22] <diddledan> rats >.<
[19:22] <daftykins> yeah :(
[19:22] <diddledan> dmesg is the mother of all diagnosis tools for broken hardware :-)
[19:23] <daftykins> odd that KMS is somehow on in one and off in another
[19:23] <daftykins> i doubt there's anything during install that'd auto add 'nomodeset' to the boot param? because that would do it wouldn't it?
[19:24] <diddledan> might be worth checking the grub.conf in case
[19:25] <diddledan> in the broken install - line 7: Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-3.8.0-27-generic root=UUID=7854a770-a291-47ca-ba3d-10a1d6ac2d8f ro nomodeset
[19:25] <daftykins> :O
[19:25] <diddledan> so yeah, it looks like something's playing silly with grub
[19:25] <daftykins> oh deary me
[19:25] <daftykins> good call, sir
[19:25] <daftykins> sadly he was a web chat user and is gone :'(
[19:25] <diddledan> dang
[19:26] <diddledan> well if he comes back we know his problem and the solution now :-)
[19:26] <daftykins> ^_^
[19:26] <daftykins> indeedaroonie
[19:26] <daftykins> how in the 'eck did that get there
[19:26] <diddledan> no idea
[19:26] <daftykins> perhaps his reinstall wasn't a true nuke-from-orbit
[19:27] <diddledan> is nuke from orbit really the best option these days with death stars available?
[19:28] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDL0KAm9Cbs
[19:28] <diddledan> surely five-into-one laser beams from orbit are better than nukes :-p
[19:28] <diddledan> grr, it won't play without flash >.<
[19:28] <diddledan> damned youtube
[19:28] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: youtube-dl
[19:32] <diddledan> aha, that's a nice tool
[19:35] <MartijnVdS> also works on several non-youtube video sites
[19:36] <daftykins> diddledan: thanks btw!
[19:37] <daftykins> major delay ^
[19:37] <diddledan> np :-)
[19:38] <MartijnVdS> woo! my patch made it into OpenWRT trunk
[19:39] <daftykins> what does it do? :o
[19:39] <MartijnVdS> http://git.openwrt.org/?p=openwrt.git;a=commitdiff;h=3f0051a424b64c5c73aedbbc70a5b33288beb7a3
[19:39] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: it enables the CoA/DAE server, so you can send "Disconnect-Request" packets
[19:39] <MartijnVdS> uh
[19:39] <MartijnVdS> daftykins:
[19:40] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: (which force-disconnect an authenticated (using WPA-Enterprise) client)
[19:40] <brobostigon> woop, cool. congrats MartijnVdS
[19:40] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: the server was there, I just added a way to configure (and thus enable) it
[19:41] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: ah, :)
[19:45] <neuro> the well thought out campaign continues apace: http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/1jqyas/submit_your_ubuntu_edge_campaign_perk_ideas_here/
[19:46] <daftykins> MartijnVdS: good work sir.
[20:07] <MooDoo> neuro: well thought out spelt, make it up as you go along?
[20:07] <neuro> :)
[20:07] <shauno> are they still doing the thing where the price keeps going up?
[20:07] <MooDoo> not sure, think they're up yto 13434234234 different perks now
[20:10] <Guest61585> don't the iphone and galaxy actually exist? unfair to compare them
[20:11] <MooDoo> I think the ubuntu one exists, at least a couple in prototype
[20:11] <Guest57010> in light of that, 630£ would be about right
[20:12] <directhex> unless something absolutely pants-on-head insane happens, e.g. "price drop to compete with nexus 4!", edge is not getting made.
[20:12] <MooDoo> christ I'm never paying that much for a phone
[20:14] <neuro> if you buy a subsidised phone on a contract, then you *are* paying that much for a phone
[20:14] <neuro> you're just deferring the cost
[20:18] <shauno> kinda.  the contract doesn't get cheaper if you're not offsetting a phone here
[20:18] <Azelphur> I decided to do some science http://youtu.be/40SonajRmgk \o/
[20:20] <directhex> neuro, i like how o2 are now upfront about this, down to having two direct debits - one for phone service and one for phone purchase loan
[20:20] <neuro> yeah, i saw that
[20:21] <neuro> problem with that is that it's o2 :)
[20:22] <diddledan> Azelphur: that's ay maze zing!
[20:22] <Azelphur> diddledan: ty :D
[20:22] <daftykins> Azelphur: O_O
[20:22] <daftykins> Azelphur: impressive, what's doing the voice translation?
[20:22] <diddledan> Azelphur: where's the speach recog done?
[20:22] <Azelphur> daftykins: google
[20:23] <diddledan> aah, google play api thingy?
[20:23] <Azelphur> diddledan: tasker can call googles speech API
[20:23] <diddledan> nice
[20:23] <daftykins> Azelphur: so it basically does speech to text then you do some magic on the text as a command?
[20:23] <Azelphur> daftykins: exactly, it does speech to text and then just HTTP GETS what I said to my python webserver
[20:23] <Azelphur> and then the python webserver calls XBMC API
[20:24] <shauno> ironman 3?  tsk tsk tsk
[20:24] <daftykins> i think i have a mate who would love your WOL method
[20:24] <Azelphur> shauno: XD
[20:24] <neuro> shauno: haha was about to point that out :)
[20:24] <daftykins> hah yeah there's only that dirty hack of a 'rip' of IM3 out right now...
[20:24] <daftykins> despicable ;)
[20:25] <neuro> Azelphur: nice views from your windows
[20:25] <Azelphur> it said it was a 1080p BRRip when I downloaded it, did they lie to me? :<
[20:25] <Azelphur> neuro: ty :)
[20:25] <daftykins> i dunno though i still would rather use my remote / the XBMC remote app XD
[20:25] <shauno> need to ducttape all those blue LEDs though
[20:25] <neuro> looks a bit brightony/hovey but i assume tis not
[20:25] <Azelphur> neuro: margate
[20:25] <daftykins> Azelphur: if it was in the last couple of days mayhaps
[20:25] <neuro> nice
[20:25] <Azelphur> only problem with the WoL is that it's playing up a bit
[20:26] <daftykins> i hear it can be a pain
[20:26] <Azelphur> for some reason, WoL only works if it's in Suspend (if it's shutdown it doesn't work)
[20:26] <Azelphur> and for some reason, after a few minutes in suspend, it turns itself back on again (?!?)
[20:26] <neuro> this is why i don't futz with WoL :)
[20:26] <daftykins> Azelphur: what was the IM3 rel group? :)
[20:27] <Azelphur> daftykins: dunno, it gets moved into XBMC and renamed automatically
[20:28] <neuro> iron man 3 bd, 9th sep ... star trek bd, 2nd sep ...
[20:28] <Azelphur> daftykins: whatever was top on tpb ;)
[20:28] <daftykins> ah sickbeard
[20:28] <daftykins> yeah i see no real iron man 3 releases atm
[20:28] <neuro> there won't be for at least a week or two
[20:29] <daftykins> yeah i'm a tad familiar with the scene
[20:29] <neuro> *ooooh*
[20:29] <neuro> you're an odd one, aren't you
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[20:29] <daftykins> :D
[20:29] <daftykins> sure am
[20:29] <neuro> :)
[20:30] <neuro> looks like it's the uk that'll feed the first rips anyway
[20:30] <neuro> US doesn't get IM3 until the 24th
[20:30] <daftykins> wowzer UK getting something first O_O
[20:31]  * neuro sits patiently waiting for certain things to appear in matroska containers with 720p x264 video and dts audio ...
[20:31] <neuro> THE SUBWOOFER AWAITS ...
[20:31] <daftykins> mm-hmm, DTS ftw
[20:32] <daftykins> 1080p though fo sho ;)
[20:32] <neuro> too large
[20:32] <diddledan> ok, here's a challenge for pi+xbmc addicts: make it so I can use the pi to watch video bought off google play :-p
[20:33] <daftykins> neuro: the 200GB free on my 5TB array may agree with you :(
[20:33] <mungbean_> £20pm * 2 years != 800 quid
[20:33] <mungbean_> woops sorry, was still scrolled up...old convo
[20:33] <diddledan> mungbean_: you can't get an iphone 5 on that price/month
[20:34] <mungbean_> samsung galaxy i think is £22pm
[20:34] <diddledan> iphone5 = 47/mo
[20:34] <diddledan> ish
[20:34] <mungbean_> thats the mug tax though
[20:34] <mungbean_> saumsung my work mate got that £22 deal
[20:34] <neuro> urr
[20:34] <neuro> three -> 16GB iPhone 5, £29 one off, £29/mo
[20:35] <neuro> all you can eat data (no tethering tho), 500 minutes, 5000 texts
[20:35] <ali1234> oh, this old chestnut
[20:35] <diddledan> that totals 1421 in costs over 2 years
[20:35] <diddledan> halve it and you have £710 each for the handset and the network
[20:36] <neuro> is this some new kind of maths i'm not aware of?
[20:36] <diddledan> yeah
[20:36] <diddledan> I'm using 48 months = 2 years >.< d'oh
[20:36] <mungbean_> 29*24=696
[20:36] <ali1234> the "maths" normally involves ignoring the cost of a sim only contract when "proving" that subsidized phones are more expensive
[20:36] <neuro> (29 * 24) + 29 = 725
[20:36] <AlanBell> depending on what planet you select, that could be right
[20:36] <mungbean_> +29=725
[20:36] <mgdm> directhex: is there a recommended way to make my own apt repo I can fire onto S3 or similar static storage?
[20:37] <mgdm> directhex: (I figured you'd know...)
[20:37] <neuro> so the actual phone calls and stuff bit is a shade under 200 quid
[20:37] <mungbean_> i'mk on giffgaff but if i need a new phone ever, i'm gonna have to do sums for a nexus4 type phone v carefully
[20:37] <neuro> almost comparable sim only contract (200 mins vs 500), £12.90/mo
[20:37] <AlanBell> I just moved to a sim only contract for the first time, and will be purchasing a handset
[20:37] <mungbean_> a contract might be cheaper, even though my monthly fee is 7.50 atm
[20:38] <ali1234> since you can't link to G+ comments, here is a pastebin of it: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5956369/
[20:38]  * neuro is on something daft like 45 quid a month
[20:38] <ali1234> tl;dr subsidized phone on contract is 15% cheaper
[20:38] <AlanBell> mungbean_: for £7.50 you can get a 24 month contract on a huawei Y300 which is rather good
[20:38] <Azelphur> +1 for the Y300, they are only £70 on payg too
[20:39] <AlanBell> I was on £47/month up to today, for a galaxy S2 plus insurance
[20:39] <neuro> you'd be better off buying a sim only deal and plugging the sim into a potato
[20:39] <neuro> rather than a huawhauhahhuhuwahuhauuauhwuhuhuahuawiiieiiiiii
[20:39] <AlanBell> which to be fair, I did use when christel pushed me in a paddling pool
[20:39] <ali1234> a chinese army potato
[20:39] <neuro> yup, one of those
[20:39] <ali1234> if you want a dumb phone, get a nokia. nobody makes better dumb phones than nokia
[20:40] <neuro> ^ This.
[20:40] <AlanBell> end of September I should get a Peak+ with firefox OS
[20:40] <neuro> good luck!
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[20:41] <AlanBell> I am quite looking forward to it, I never did anything interesting with Android at all
[20:41] <neuro> will be interesting to see how firefox OS plays out
[20:41] <diddledan> was that </non-sarcasm> tinged with a hint of sarcasm? :-p
[20:41] <mgdm> directhex: never mind, found reprepo :)
[20:41] <AlanBell> installed the SDK, did the hello world thing, never got beyond that
[20:41]  * neuro is mired in iOS now
[20:41] <ali1234> so what?
[20:41] <ali1234> what do you want to do with firefoxOS that you can't do with android?
[20:42] <neuro> you can pick up the phone, but you can never leave^W^Wput it down
[20:42] <diddledan> I want sugically-implanted computer ships already
[20:42] <neuro> ew
[20:42] <diddledan> chips*
[20:42] <neuro> and ships?
[20:42] <neuro> oh ok
[20:43] <neuro> one shouldn't have to have a local anaesthetic to change a battery
[20:43] <diddledan> I totally want "convergence" to mean that I do everything in VR inside my own head :-p
[20:43] <neuro> AR, surely
[20:43] <AlanBell> I don't know really, there is all this stuff to tinker with https://wiki.mozilla.org/WebAPI#APIs
[20:43] <neuro> or do you plan to have the world re-rendered for you? :)
[20:44] <shauno> I really don't want the NSA logging my brain.  I've seen what goes on in there
[20:44] <neuro> lol
[20:44] <neuro> "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe ..."
[20:45] <ali1234> well, at least firefoxOS has an API...
[20:45] <diddledan> what's that film where they ran out of advertising space so they implanted the adverts via a surgically implanted chip into your mind?
[20:45] <diddledan> complete with behavioural modification to enforce the purchase/theft of the advertised item
[20:46] <diddledan> yes, they considered theft as a valid outcome
[20:46] <ali1234> isn't that... lawnmowerman 2?
[20:46] <diddledan> nah
[20:46] <ali1234> hmm... give us a clue... how old is it?
[20:46] <diddledan> 90s
[20:46] <ali1234> it's lawnmowerman 2 i'm telling you!
[20:46] <diddledan> no, really it isn't
[20:46] <ali1234> maybe it happened in that too
[20:47] <mungbean_> ali1234: is the only person to have seen LM2
[20:47] <mungbean_> total recall?
[20:47] <ali1234> no, not unless it's in the remake
[20:47] <mungbean_> is it a side plot?
[20:47] <ali1234> i've seen total recall about 100 times. it's not robocop either
[20:47] <diddledan> lawnmowerman2 was where jobe wanted control of a superduper do anything chip that enabled some kind of superpower over the internet
[20:48] <mungbean_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardwired_(film)
[20:48] <mungbean_>  He discovers that this chip also constantly sends advertisements until either the person obtains the product, or they go insane
[20:48] <diddledan> bingo!
[20:48] <mungbean_> 2009
[20:48] <diddledan> completely fudged the timescale
[20:48] <ali1234> i think lawnmower man 2 isn't even the movie i was thinking of
[20:49] <mungbean_> i googled film plot implant adverts
[20:49] <mungbean_> also similar to final cut
[20:49] <mungbean_> Set in a world with memory implants, Robin Williams plays a cutter, someone with the power of final edit over people's recorded histories. His latest assignment is one that puts him in danger.
[20:50] <diddledan> not heard of that one
[20:50] <mungbean_> that cos the implant man removed the memory
[20:50] <ali1234> high-concept sci-fi. they make a couple of them every year
[20:51] <diddledan> I really need to install an adblocker
[20:51] <ali1234> well, a couple of big ones, and loads and loads of terrible low budget ones
[20:51] <diddledan> tpb is evil with ads
[20:56] <mungbean_> amazingly, 4 baby bottles purchased 3.5 yrs ago all failed in the same week
[21:11] <daftykins> speaking of Michael Ironside
[21:11] <daftykins> did you hear he got kicked off Splinter Cell's latest release? :(
[21:11] <daftykins> 'not young enough to do combined motion capture and dialogue' :(
[21:13] <Intuition> join #morphos
[21:15] <daftykins> aherm.
[21:26] <diddledan> you know, I like mir - it fixes vnc connections to a unity-enabled desktop which have been broken for over a year now
[21:26] <diddledan> vnc connections using the in-built "screen-sharing" app