[05:48] <inetpro> good morning
[06:51] <Kilos> morning all
[06:59] <inetpro> wb Kilos and good morning
[07:06] <Kilos> ty inetpro have a good day
[07:09] <inetpro> jy ook dankie oom
[07:24] <Kilos> hi sakhi drussell 
[07:31] <drussell> Kilos: hey Kilos, how's things?
[07:32] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[07:48] <drussell> Kilos: very good thanks
[08:03] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[08:28] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday 
[08:29] <maiatoday> hi Kilos
[08:29] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[08:29] <psyatw> hi maiatoday
[08:29] <Kilos> hi psyatw 
[08:30] <Kilos> im heading for a fresh install looks like. unity went slow and started hanging every now and again
[08:31] <Kilos> so back on old faithful maverick to try an fsck from here and maybe a bad block check
[08:33] <Squirm> morning
[08:33] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[08:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos!
[08:33] <Kilos> /usr/bin even lost sudo
[08:33] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[08:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> man i've never reinstalled windows as many times as you've installed ubuntu :-o
[08:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> :-p
[08:34] <Kilos> hahaha yeah it could be old drives
[08:35] <Kilos> this was a discard others couldnt fix
[08:35] <psyatw> morning Squirm
[08:35] <psyatw> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[08:35] <psyatw> hahaha
[08:35] <Kilos> but 500g so i dont wanna lose it
[08:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo 'lo 'lo :-)
[08:36] <psyatw> normally I only re-install Ubuntu/Kubuntu when moving from one version to another
[08:36] <psyatw> but re-installing Windows, I must have done that hundreds of times by now
[08:37] <Kilos> everything was good last night but it doesnt even see my kubuntu drive this morning
[08:38] <Kilos> also you guys know what you are doing. i learn to forget to learn
[08:42] <psyatw> we have messed up our linux systems hundreds of times as well, that´s how we learned
[08:46] <Kilos> you ever used a command like this
[08:46] <Kilos> sudo fsck.ext4 -cDfty -C 0 /dev/sdb1
[08:46] <Kilos> it checks for bad blocks
[08:52] <Kilos> then gives an output like http://slexy.org/view/s21W1goIAk
[08:53] <Kilos> whatever that might mean
[08:57] <Kilos> i go see if its fixed
[08:57] <Kilos> wbb
[09:09] <Kilos> well! its working so far
[09:09] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[09:09]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[09:11] <Kilos> Maaz, and grandpa
[09:11] <Maaz> ai! Kilos headache again?
[09:13] <Kilos> Maaz, define inode
[09:13] <Maaz> Kilos: I don't know about inode. Maybe you meant Node, Inde, Anode, Enode, node, anode or isode?
[09:13] <Kilos> hmm...
[09:13] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[09:13] <Kilos> Maaz, thanks
[09:13] <Maaz> Kilos: Sure
[09:14] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy, can you please give me that slexy.org link
[09:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> eh?
[09:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://slexy.org/
[09:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> that one?
[09:15] <Kilos> just before i went off
[09:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> o_O
[09:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh
[09:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://slexy.org/view/s21W1goIAk
[09:15] <Kilos> i was on maverick now on unity
[09:15] <Kilos> ty
[09:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> np
[09:16] <psyatw> an inode is an on-disk structure used by a filesystem to keep track of blocks of data belonging to a certain file or directory
[09:16] <psyatw> AFAIK
[09:17] <Kilos> so its part of the drive? not software
[09:18] <Kilos> even slexy is starting to put adds in now
[09:18] <Kilos> sigh
[09:19] <Vince-0> haai
[09:20] <Kilos> i think that bad blocks command is similar to ms scandisk or chkdsk
[09:20] <Kilos> marks bad sectors
[09:33] <Squirm> Kilos: an inode is part of the patitioning scheme on the drive
[09:33] <Kilos> ty Squirm 
[09:33] <Squirm> so it'll come with something like ext3/4
[09:34] <Kilos> looks like my /var/ was in a bad area or something because my /archives are gone
[09:34] <Kilos> everything here is ext4
[10:18] <Kilos> wbb
[10:23] <Squirm> anyone know of a cheap, international delivery company?
[10:23] <Squirm> need something shipped to china
[10:59] <mazal> Afternoon everyone
[10:59] <Squirm> hello mazal 
[10:59] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[10:59] <mazal> How are you guys ?
[10:59] <Kilos> cool ty and you?
[10:59] <mazal> Good thanx
[11:01] <Kilos> hi Xethron 
[11:03] <Kilos> mazal, jy sal jou eie nvidia kaart moet koop vir die werk pc as jy will jou externe skyf laat werk by altwee plekke
[11:03] <Kilos> Maar laat hulle solank bestel
[11:03] <Kilos> anders sukkel jy nog in ses maande tyd
[11:04] <mazal> Neewat sal op die twee verskillendes werk tot 14.04 en hoop dit gaan beter dan
[11:04] <mazal> Hopenlik verbeter die ati drywers
[11:04] <mazal> Of unity
[11:05] <Kilos> hehe ek dink dit sal altyd kwell to kaarte die selle is
[11:08] <mazal> Unity het als moeiliker gemaak
[11:08] <Kilos> stem
[11:09] <mazal> Ek kannie onthou dat ek sulke graphic issues met gtk2 gehad het nie
[11:09] <mazal> Ubuntu het eenvoudig gewerk op als
[11:09] <Kilos> maar dit groei nog
[11:10] <Kilos> hulle vat groot tree vorentoe, miskien om nuwe goed te begin voor ander
[11:12] <mazal> Die probleem is die hele mobile met touchscreens craze. Unity is eintlik daarvoor begin
[11:13] <mazal> Even Win 8 het agter dit aangegaan
[11:13] <Kilos> ja mobile goed groei te vinnig en almal will deel wees daarvan
[11:14] <mazal> Geen mobile device sal ooit die power en versatility en storage van 'n pc kan vervang nie.
[11:14] <mazal> Die goed kom nie eers naby nie
[11:14] <mazal> Dis net 'n " nice to have " , maar as dit kom by power en hard werk is pc baas
[11:15] <Kilos> ek te dom met die nuwe goed
[12:10] <magespawn> afternoon all
[12:10] <Kilos> ohi superfly 
[12:10] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[12:10] <superfly> hi Kilos
[12:11] <magespawn> hey superfly
[12:11] <superfly> hi magespawn
[12:11] <Kilos> you been scarce magespawn 
[12:11] <psyatw> hi superfly
[12:11] <psyatw> hello magespawn
[12:11] <psyatw> hi Vince-0
[12:11] <Kilos> busy busy busy
[12:11] <magespawn> yup been doing work out of the shop 
[12:11] <magespawn> hi psyatw
[12:12] <superfly> good night everyone, I'm going to bed.
[12:12] <psyatw> good night superfly
[12:12] <magespawn> okay been up long then, sleep well
[12:12] <Kilos> oh my
[12:12] <psyatw> but it´s still so early on the day
[12:12] <Kilos> night superfly sleep well
[12:13] <psyatw> the day has just started :)
[12:13] <Kilos> you sick?
[12:13] <Kilos> shame poor oke
[12:17] <Vince-0> Haai!
[12:17] <Vince-0> tryna get attendees registered for RMS in Durban: 
[12:17] <Vince-0> http://durbanlinux.org.za/?page_id=18
[12:26]  * not_found saw the campaign :)
[12:35] <Vince-0> yaa, 
[12:35] <Vince-0> Daniel Fowler is in New York to see RMS at the moment
[12:35] <Vince-0> hopefully he at least makes it to SA and with some more luck to Durban
[12:43] <mazal> Bye everyone , have a nice evening
[15:45] <Kilos> musta been hard for afrikaans peeps to move into the pc world. its genetically inbred in them to fix things with blou draad en n tang
[15:47] <nlsthzn> that's racist
[15:47] <Kilos> hehe
[15:49] <Kilos> sorry neelsie
[15:49] <Kilos> i was expecting to be shot down in flames
[15:50] <nlsthzn> :p I am not that easily offended, not much you can't fix with blou draad ;)
[15:50] <Kilos> yeah
[15:50] <Kilos> not with pcs anyway
[15:50] <nlsthzn> the can keep your bits and pieces together :)
[15:51] <Kilos> hehe
[16:02] <Vince-0> I used some draad just yesterday to fasten a heat-sink that didn't fit
[16:02] <Kilos> hahaha
[16:02] <nlsthzn> +1
[16:03] <Kilos> cable ties are the modern way and they are none conductive
[16:03] <Vince-0> ya but that's what the blou is for on the draad
[16:04] <Vince-0> used a cable tie as well
[16:04] <nlsthzn> blou draar := draad me blou om
[16:05] <nlsthzn> *draad
[16:06] <Vince-0> the blou being a plastic coating?
[16:06] <Kilos> aha
[16:36] <jhb_hacker> Hi there
[16:36] <Kilos> hi jhb_hacker 
[16:37] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[16:37] <jhb_hacker> Looking for ubuntu stickers, preferably somewhere In JHB or Pretoria
[16:38] <Kilos> maybe from te guys that have the release parties there
[16:38] <Kilos> dont see any of them on here today
[16:38] <Kilos> s/te/the
[16:39] <Kilos> try our mailing list. there are many more peeps there
[16:39] <Kilos> http://bit.ly/MCOujZ
[16:39] <jhb_hacker> will do, thanks...
[16:40] <jhb_hacker> spoke to house4hack
[16:40] <Kilos> hang around maybe someone here has an idea where you can get as well
[16:41] <Kilos> or download and print some
[16:41] <jhb_hacker> sure thing, where you based?
[16:41] <Kilos> pta
[16:41] <Kilos> but im the greeter bot here
[16:41] <jhb_hacker> ever go mLab?
[16:42] <Kilos> nope i never go anywhere
[16:42] <Kilos> im a ballie
[16:43] <Kilos> do you use ubuntu?
[16:44] <jhb_hacker> yes I do, have been for four years now...so am still pretty new
[16:44] <Kilos> wow and you only get here now
[16:44] <Kilos> this is the help channel
[16:45] <jhb_hacker> I know right? very strange
[16:46] <jhb_hacker> started out experimenting...tried using strictly ubuntu for a year...nevr went back
[16:47] <Kilos> good
[16:47] <inetpro> good morning
[16:47] <Kilos> yo inetpro 
[16:47] <inetpro> jhb_hacker: see http://blog.smartcube.co.za/2009/05/26/ubuntu-pc-badges-for-za/
[16:47] <jhb_hacker> thanks <inetpro>
[16:48] <inetpro> we should actually get someone to design a new sticker for us again
[16:48] <inetpro> those logos are outdated
[16:49] <jhb_hacker> I agree
[16:49] <jhb_hacker> I know a designer who would do it for us....
[16:50] <inetpro> jhb_hacker: for free?
[16:51] <jhb_hacker> yes, for free
[16:51] <inetpro> sounds interesting
[16:51] <inetpro> jhb_hacker: so are those the kind that you are looking for?
[16:53] <jhb_hacker> sure, I can convince the guy its not just me....then maybe we can make the design available to anyone for print
[16:56] <Kilos> jhb_hacker, what do you do?
[16:56] <Kilos> workwise that is
[16:57] <jhb_hacker> web developer: python+java
[16:57] <Kilos> cool
[16:58] <jhb_hacker> Kilos: yourself?
[16:58] <Kilos> im retired
[16:58] <Kilos> very tired
[16:59] <jhb_hacker> why is that?
[17:01] <Kilos> lol im a ballie
[17:02] <Kilos> im here to see the kids behave
[17:02] <jhb_hacker> lol, understood
[17:03] <Kilos> im  actually here because i need help often, i do stupid things
[17:03] <Kilos> wb Zarw 
[17:04] <Zarw> Ello
[17:11] <jhb_hacker> Kilos: why did you choose ubuntu?
[17:12] <Kilos> i got tired of all the hassles with ms and looked for an alternative and was given a cd with 8.04 on
[17:13] <Kilos> but only got networking on 8.10
[17:13] <Kilos> i love ubuntu in unity and kde
[17:16] <Kilos> and the friendly guys here that helped me through the learning curve
[17:19] <magespawn> evening
[17:19] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[17:21] <jhb_hacker> Kilos: awesome, still remembr first time I got my hands on 8.04, canonical used to mail cd's w/ stickers
[17:22] <Kilos> ya i got a few later from shipit i think it was
[17:24] <jhb_hacker> Kilos: I felt like the coolest person alive...enjoyd using it in public..."whats that?, is that the new windows?"...
[17:24] <Kilos> hahaha
[17:25] <Kilos> but still dunno how you guys use ubuntu so long without getting here
[17:25] <Kilos> i think i used 8.10 for 2 or three weeks then got here
[17:26] <Kilos> and almost been here daily since
[17:26] <Kilos> there are very clever peeps here
[17:28] <jhb_hacker> Kilos: I guess I prefer breaking things...
[17:28] <jhb_hacker> thats how I learn mostly
[17:28] <Kilos> thyats why im here , to get help fixing what ive broken
[17:29] <Kilos> if i say eish or ai! they already ask me what ive broken now
[17:29] <Kilos> hehe
[17:30] <jhb_hacker> hehe...I like the fact by using ubuntu, u get to know how operating systems really work, that control
[17:30] <jhb_hacker> can nt be replaced
[17:31] <Kilos> you havent tried kubuntu yet?
[17:32] <jhb_hacker> not yet, 
[17:33] <Kilos> bit different but even more powerful imo
[17:35] <jhb_hacker> cool, they use a different window manager right?
[17:35] <Kilos> yeah
[17:37] <magespawn> kde
[17:39] <Kilos> jhb_hacker, magespawn is in hluhluwe
[17:39] <jhb_hacker> right, I am not a big fan of kde...nothing against it, my first encounter with open os's was with gnome
[17:39] <jhb_hacker> Kilos: thats sooo cool
[17:40] <jhb_hacker> magespawn: hi there
[17:41] <magespawn> hi jhb_hacker 
[17:42] <jhb_hacker> magespawn: to be honest, I wouldnt expect to find some1 from hluhluwe who z in to gnu/linux
[17:43] <jhb_hacker> magespawn: thats so cool
[17:43] <magespawn> long story really twisty story
[17:43] <jhb_hacker> ...
[17:44] <Kilos> and he does game watching tours
[17:44] <magespawn> and i am not necessarily from hluhluwe, just living here at the moment
[17:44] <Kilos> hi psychicist 
[17:45] <psychicist> hi Kilos 
[17:45] <magespawn> hi psychicist
[17:45] <jhb_hacker> magespawn: where u from originally?
[17:46] <magespawn> jhb
[17:46] <Kilos> jozi joller
[17:46] <psychicist> hi magespawn 
[17:48] <jhb_hacker> I recently saw a "futuristic ubuntu theme" on youtube...the guy refuses to share the theme or a how-to
[17:49] <jhb_hacker> https://www.google.co.za/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCsQtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dqqxp9q5j-RA&ei=BDcBUqbVOoi2hQe83oB4&usg=AFQjCNE3ech-mAKWbSYwe5fFReSfxC_8dw&sig2=2J-CSizWj353uZsB57mvCw&bvm=bv.50310824,d.ZWU
[17:50] <jhb_hacker> anyone know a theme similar to this?
[17:51] <magespawn> Kilos that tool I was talking about yesterday is Tortilla Tool
[17:51] <Kilos> hmm...
[17:51] <Kilos> tool for? sorry i forget
[17:51] <psychicist> hi jhb_hacker 
[17:52] <jhb_hacker> hi psychicist
[17:52] <magespawn> the one that started the discussion around tor
[17:52] <Kilos> aha
[17:52] <Kilos> i nearly reinstalled today
[17:53] <Kilos> but the bad block command fixed my unity
[18:10] <superfly> jhb_hacker: impratical. you'd play with it for 10 minutes and then switch back to your normal theme because you need to Get Things Done
[18:12] <Kilos> jhb_hacker, superfly is our resident python expert
[18:13] <superfly> Kilos: "expert" is a strong word
[18:13] <Kilos> cold there tomorrow superfly 13 C MAX
[18:13] <Kilos> NBOT STRONG ENOUGH
[18:13] <Kilos> NOT
[18:13] <Kilos> sorry
[18:13] <superfly> Kilos: oh really? I didn't even know what it was like where today until mrs_fly mentioned it in passing
[18:14] <Kilos> yeah bad cold front and snow on the mountains
[18:14] <Kilos> you sick superfly ?
[18:15] <superfly> uhuh
[18:15] <Kilos> ai!
[18:17] <Kilos> yo neelsie
[18:17] <nlsthzn> Wazzup uncle Kilos :)
[18:18] <Kilos> temps down not up
[18:18] <nlsthzn> that sucks
[18:18] <Kilos> sigh
[18:18] <Kilos> and snow on all the cape mountains and heading this way tomorrow
[18:18] <Kilos> sigh
[18:20] <nlsthzn> :(
[18:32] <magespawn> superfly: if not you then who? maybe python cheerleader?
[18:32] <Kilos> wb jhb_hacker 
[18:32] <superfly> magespawn: I know Python well, I know how to do things the Pythonic way, but I don't claim to be an expert
[18:32] <Kilos> he is our master hey magespawn 
[18:32] <magespawn> indeed
[18:34] <jhb_hacker> that's awesome, I will direct my python related questions to you
[18:34] <jhb_hacker> was python your first lang superfly?
[18:34] <nlsthzn> superfly: I am looking at the python course through o'reilly school of tech, you know about it and have any thoughts on it?
[18:34] <Kilos> we also have some ubuntu dev guys too
[18:35] <magespawn> nlsthzn: is that a paid for or free?
[18:35] <superfly> jhb_hacker: no, my 8th or 9th
[18:35] <superfly> nlsthzn: I've heard of it, that is all.
[18:36] <magespawn> but the one he shouts about the most
[18:36] <nlsthzn> paid for...
[18:37] <jhb_hacker> superfly: cool,
[18:37]  * nlsthzn is playing around with first virtual server... good way to learn ssh and terminal it would seem
[18:38] <nlsthzn> not sure what to do with it now :p (1gb of ram and only 20% cpu from one core...)
[18:38] <jhb_hacker> superfly: which books would you recommend to someone who wants to be pythonic...from a diff lang
[18:39] <superfly> jhb_hacker: there's a free e-book called "A Byte of Python" which gives you an excellent grounding in Python.
[18:39] <magespawn> nlsthzn: what, no real server?
[18:40] <nlsthzn> well that depends on what you would define as a real server... my desktop at home serves the network at home (minecraft :P)
[18:41] <nlsthzn> I have found many good resources to learn python but I need to get past the first bit as I always stop after the initial concepts :/
[18:42]  * nlsthzn has remembered a few things over the years it seems... tasksel --> LAMP installing ...
[18:43] <magespawn> you have minecraft running at home?
[18:44] <jhb_hacker> superfly: thanks
[18:44] <nlsthzn> magespawn: yup...
[18:44] <magespawn> how did you manage that?
[18:44] <nlsthzn> I don't follow?
[18:45] <magespawn> minecraft server?
[18:45] <magespawn> wait are talking about the same thing?
[18:47] <nlsthzn> yes, I am running a minecraft server
[18:47] <magespawn> the block building game?
[18:47] <nlsthzn> yes
[18:47] <magespawn> right
[18:48] <nlsthzn> this is strange?
[18:48] <magespawn> not sure thought it was like wow
[18:49] <nlsthzn> oh :) nah it is the simplest thing ever... you get the jar file from the official site and boom you are away
[18:49] <nlsthzn> stupid easy
[18:49] <nlsthzn> even I can do it
[18:51] <magespawn> do you not pay to play?
[18:52] <nlsthzn> the client you have to buy
[18:52] <nlsthzn> the server is free
[18:53] <nlsthzn> but if you only want to play then you only need the client... it can create a world on the host system
[18:54] <magespawn> ahh are you the only player on your server?
[18:58] <nlsthzn> wife and daughter...
[18:58] <nlsthzn> I don't play so much
[18:59]  * nlsthzn skipped over several steps and wordpress will not run >.<
[18:59] <nlsthzn> wonder why?
[18:59] <nlsthzn> :p
[19:00] <magespawn> maybe something in one of those steps ;) 
[19:00] <superfly> maybe it's just wordpress?
[19:01] <nlsthzn> so what would be better to try and install and config superfly?
[19:02] <magespawn> http://www.fancy.com/things/327398373323704813/SteamPunk-Chronograph-by-Romain-Jerome
[19:02] <superfly> nlsthzn: I'm a Drupal guy... a little more challenging to start, but much more flexible in the long run
[19:02] <magespawn> only the price of car or small house
[19:03] <nlsthzn> ah yes... the droplet guy icon :)
[19:03] <superfly> nlsthzn: but I think the installation these days is easier than WordPress
[19:03] <nlsthzn> magespawn: looks awesome
[19:04] <nlsthzn> superfly: I will have a look at the documentation and perhaps give it a go :)
[19:08]  * nlsthzn will bbl
[19:15] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:25] <Squirm> 'lo
[19:44] <magespawn> hey Squirm 
[19:50] <Squirm> hey magespawn 
[20:59] <magespawn> night all