| OvenWerks | zequence: -default-settings and -audio-settings? My thought is that someone only installing graphics meta or photography meta may not want the audio tweaks. | 03:26 |
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| OvenWerks | Or maybe make it part of the audio meta itself. | 03:27 |
| OvenWerks | I don't know if I would make the low latency kerenl an audio meat depends or not though. | 03:27 |
| OvenWerks | smartboyhw: good morning | 03:28 |
| smartboyhw | OvenWerks, good morning | 03:28 |
| OvenWerks | evening here ;) | 03:28 |
| smartboyhw | OvenWerks, good evening then:) | 03:29 |
| OvenWerks | just waiting for our installer to get uploaded. | 03:30 |
| OvenWerks | verbally wondering if we should separate out the audio settings from default. | 03:31 |
| smartboyhw | OvenWerks, what are the changes? | 03:31 |
| smartboyhw | I mean, of the installer | 03:32 |
| OvenWerks | changes? it is a new package | 03:32 |
| OvenWerks | (application) | 03:32 |
| smartboyhw | OvenWerks, oh | 03:33 |
| smartboyhw | You mean the application itself, damn:P | 03:33 |
| OvenWerks | It takes a list of packages on the command line and gives the user a gui with them the user can choose from. | 03:33 |
| OvenWerks | with different desktop files it can be used as a different installer for each menu. | 03:34 |
| smartboyhw | OvenWerks, good | 03:34 |
| OvenWerks | sort of like we were doing with USC but much much lighter | 03:34 |
| OvenWerks | it is flavour agnostic. | 03:34 |
| smartboyhw | OvenWerks, :) | 03:35 |
| OvenWerks | It is now all gui except for the progress bar | 03:35 |
| smartboyhw | OvenWerks, oh | 03:35 |
| OvenWerks | written in perl and uses zenity for the list gui and policykit for password. | 03:36 |
| smartboyhw | OvenWerks, whoa! | 03:37 |
| OvenWerks | I hope in the future to use the zenity progress bar as well. | 03:38 |
| OvenWerks | https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio/ubuntustudio-installer for more info. | 03:38 |
| smartboyhw | OvenWerks, :) | 03:38 |
| OvenWerks | It is the first sw I have written from start to package. | 03:39 |
| OvenWerks | (first man page I have ever written too) | 03:39 |
| OvenWerks | Anyway, wife wants this computer so she can do some singing. | 03:40 |
| smartboyhw | OvenWerks, LOL | 03:42 |
| smartboyhw | OvenWerks, the copyright file | 03:47 |
| smartboyhw | in debian/copyright | 03:47 |
| smartboyhw | It isn't machine-readable | 03:47 |
| smartboyhw | And why is debhelper >= 5? :O | 03:47 |
| smartboyhw | Why is architecture all? | 03:48 |
| OvenWerks | arc is all becuase it is a script. Should work in anything. | 04:07 |
| OvenWerks | lintian likes the copyright file | 04:08 |
| OvenWerks | I am not sure how iwould make it machine readable | 04:08 |
| OvenWerks | version 5 DH is what another package had... it could be 9 I am guessing. | 04:12 |
| OvenWerks | smartboyhw: can you point me to something that explains the copyright file machine readability? | 04:13 |
| OvenWerks | Says machine readability is optional | 04:32 |
| OvenWerks | smartboyhw: I don't think I will worry about those things at this time. None of them are broken or have bad policy. | 04:34 |
| smartboyhw | OvenWerks, OK... But it's real weird to have low compat versions:P | 08:08 |
| smartboyhw | And non-machine readable copyright | 08:08 |
| smartboyhw | OvenWerks, look at http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/debian-dir-overview.html | 08:09 |
| smartboyhw | And http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/copyright-format/1.0/ | 08:09 |
| smartboyhw | I'm still thinking if it should be any or all | 08:13 |
| smartboyhw | If I'm correct it should be any | 08:14 |
| smartboyhw | OvenWerks, also it isn't good to leave an empty Conflicts: fiekd | 08:41 |
| smartboyhw | *field | 08:41 |
| ttoine | zequence, are you here ? | 09:27 |
| OvenWerks | smartboyhw: arc "any" is for src that can be compiled for any arc, "All" is for a binary package that can work on all arcs. | 13:36 |
| smartboyhw | OvenWerks, OK, but how about the copyright file? | 13:36 |
| OvenWerks | The manual I turned up said machine readable was optional | 13:37 |
| smartboyhw | OvenWerks, but it's better. | 13:37 |
| smartboyhw | OvenWerks, if I'm a Debian Developer, I would have rejected your package (due to low compat level) | 13:38 |
| smartboyhw | Seriously, 5 is TOO low | 13:38 |
| OvenWerks | smartboyhw: there are two packages I would like to get out for 13.10... this one and -menu | 13:38 |
| smartboyhw | OvenWerks, micahg is your solution... | 13:38 |
| smartboyhw | Or just ask the sponsors | 13:38 |
| OvenWerks | what level would you like? | 13:38 |
| smartboyhw | OvenWerks, at least 8. Preferably 9. | 13:38 |
| OvenWerks | That I can change. | 13:38 |
| OvenWerks | It seems that our other US packages need to fixed as well | 13:39 |
| OvenWerks | Take a look at our settings for example. | 13:39 |
| smartboyhw | OvenWerks, compat level you mean? | 13:40 |
| OvenWerks | copyright | 13:41 |
| smartboyhw | OvenWerks, it's good if you can fix that. I can help too. | 13:41 |
| OvenWerks | dh = 8 | 13:42 |
| OvenWerks | All of these US packages are created and maintained by people who normally don't package. | 13:43 |
| smartboyhw | OvenWerks, oh | 13:43 |
| * smartboyhw does package a lot:P | 13:43 | |
| smartboyhw | OvenWerks, OK, I will start fixing once I've done kde-telepathy here. | 13:44 |
| OvenWerks | So any package in our code section you wish to sugest a merge for, I will drop it in. | 13:44 |
| smartboyhw | OvenWerks, do I have to? (I'm in ~ubuntustudio-dev) | 13:45 |
| smartboyhw | Trust me for copyright files:P | 13:45 |
| OvenWerks | If you can upload to our branch that is one less job for me. | 13:45 |
| smartboyhw | OvenWerks, ofc:) | 13:45 |
| OvenWerks | for dh version, do I have to have a 9.* version or can I use just 9? | 13:47 |
| smartboyhw | OvenWerks, 9 ONLY | 13:47 |
| OvenWerks | settings has 8.1.3 | 13:47 |
| smartboyhw | OvenWerks, you don't normally explicitly select a settings version... | 13:48 |
| smartboyhw | For example, debhelper (>= 8.0.0) for 8 | 13:48 |
| smartboyhw | or debhelper (>= 9) | 13:48 |
| smartboyhw | for 9 | 13:48 |
| OvenWerks | I mean our -settings package | 13:48 |
| smartboyhw | OvenWerks, oh, I mean debhelper version in Build-Dep of settings | 13:49 |
| OvenWerks | I am looking at what other packages need fixing. | 13:49 |
| OvenWerks | As I am suggesting we split -settings... it would be good to correct that and it's copyright stuff. | 13:50 |
| OvenWerks | our -meta package should be arc all, not any I think. | 13:54 |
| smartboyhw | OvenWerks, NO. | 13:54 |
| smartboyhw | Never do that. | 13:54 |
| smartboyhw | If you have packages that can't work on certain arch | 13:55 |
| smartboyhw | Then doing all will cause disaster. | 13:55 |
| OvenWerks | ok makes sense | 13:55 |
| OvenWerks | Shouldn't all the list of applications be recomends anyway? | 13:56 |
| OvenWerks | As depends, if the user removes any one package it would remove the meta | 13:57 |
| OvenWerks | and all the programs on it. | 13:57 |
| smartboyhw | OvenWerks, hmm........ | 13:57 |
| OvenWerks | In the seeds I have been trying to use recomends for that reason. | 13:57 |
| smartboyhw | You don't want that for alsa or xfce I think | 13:58 |
| OvenWerks | no. | 13:58 |
| OvenWerks | I mean for like the audio meta | 13:58 |
| OvenWerks | though some things are still hard depends like jackd | 13:58 |
| smartboyhw | OvenWerks, recommends is OK | 13:59 |
| OvenWerks | but LMMS for example should not be. | 13:59 |
| smartboyhw | OvenWerks, yes | 14:00 |
| OvenWerks | a synopis of this discusion should end up in our ML | 14:00 |
| OvenWerks | we could ask for volunteers to fix something in one package even. | 14:02 |
| smartboyhw | OvenWerks, great | 14:05 |
| OvenWerks | The meta depends thing should just go to zequence at this point as he did that package. | 14:09 |
| OvenWerks | but the general package updating/fixing could be done by anyone. | 14:10 |
| smartboyhw | Like me for instance:0 | 14:12 |
| smartboyhw | Oops, should be :) | 14:12 |
| OvenWerks | I would like to get some of the new people who have offered to contribute doing something that makes them feel useful | 14:13 |
| OvenWerks | You could "vet" their work... | 14:14 |
| smartboyhw | OvenWerks, sure | 14:15 |
| OvenWerks | of course if there are no takers then it you and I... | 14:15 |
| smartboyhw | OvenWerks, send the email please :) | 14:15 |
| OvenWerks | working on it... | 14:15 |
| smartboyhw | OvenWerks, zequence I suddenly thought of one thing: Where's DarkEra? | 14:28 |
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| OvenWerks | not sure. | 14:34 |
| OvenWerks | smartboyhw: what is a good page to send people to for learning to use bzr with launchpad? | 14:35 |
| cub | <OvenWerks> I would like to get some of the new people who have offered to contribute doing something that makes them feel useful | 14:43 |
| cub | <OvenWerks> I would like to get some of the new people who have offered to contribute doing something that makes them feel useful | 14:43 |
| cub | to do what? | 14:43 |
| cub | hmm double post…stupid mac | 14:43 |
| OvenWerks | Just writing an email for the list... but basically we are finding our packages are out dated | 14:44 |
| OvenWerks | the copyright files need to be made machine readable and some of our depends are for really old versions. | 14:44 |
| OvenWerks | cub: ^^ | 14:46 |
| smartboyhw | OvenWerks, hmm | 14:46 |
| smartboyhw | bzr online doc? | 14:46 |
| OvenWerks | launchpad has help pages too. | 14:47 |
| smartboyhw | OvenWerks, whatever | 14:47 |
| cub | OvenWerks, being the NSG (new stupid guy) that still doesn't make me understand what to do. :P | 14:47 |
| smartboyhw | As long as people understand how to use bzr;P | 14:47 |
| smartboyhw | cub, your task (sounds like Mission Impossible) is to update the copyright files to machine-readable using specific format and update the debhelper version to a newer one. | 14:48 |
| OvenWerks | cub: I started there too not very long ago :) | 14:48 |
| OvenWerks | you need: launchpad account and install bzr | 14:48 |
| cub | done. | 14:49 |
| OvenWerks | have you got ssh and pgp keys set up? | 14:50 |
| cub | yes, but on my laptop at home | 14:50 |
| * cub is still at work | 14:50 | |
| OvenWerks | thats ok where ever you wish to do the work. | 14:50 |
| cub | yeah, it's just that I can't test anything now | 14:51 |
| OvenWerks | go to https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev and select a package | 14:51 |
| OvenWerks | for example | 14:51 |
| OvenWerks | ubuntustudio-default-settings | 14:51 |
| cub | ok | 14:52 |
| OvenWerks | and go to that page. then branch it (means download) into the directory you want to work on it | 14:52 |
| OvenWerks | There is a section at the top that says "Get this branch" | 14:52 |
| OvenWerks | use the command under that in a terminal. | 14:53 |
| cub | yes, I have downloaded things before. just never worked on them | 14:53 |
| cub | mostly to get art stuff | 14:53 |
| OvenWerks | This will copy the branch to your computer | 14:53 |
| OvenWerks | ok | 14:53 |
| OvenWerks | inside that folder will be the debian folder and the copyright file is in there | 14:54 |
| OvenWerks | I have just sent email to the list. it may help or confuse you :) | 14:55 |
| OvenWerks | The branch command should work on any machine with bzr even without pgp/ssh set up. | 14:56 |
| cub | great, I will take a look later on this evening I hope | 14:57 |
| cub | yeah, I just don't have bar on my work machine. Booting up my eee pc which I had in my bag. =) | 14:57 |
| OvenWerks | there is a link to the machine readable copyright spec though | 14:57 |
| OvenWerks | http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/copyright-format/1.0/ | 14:58 |
| smartboyhw | OvenWerks, I will approve cub's work when he submits it | 14:59 |
| OvenWerks | smartboyhw: email sent, feel free to add comments. | 14:59 |
| OvenWerks | sounds good to me. | 15:00 |
| OvenWerks | I should have added that people should tell the list what package you are working on so two people are not doing the same work. | 15:02 |
| cub | That would be a good idea.' | 15:02 |
| smartboyhw | OvenWerks, comment sent. | 15:02 |
| smartboyhw | OvenWerks, make a wiki page:p | 15:02 |
| OvenWerks | I am going to spend time making bread and fixing a trailer today... then I might get to fixing -installer. | 15:03 |
| cub | yeah, the next new guy will ask the same questions as me (perhaps) | 15:03 |
| smartboyhw | cub, yeah. | 15:03 |
| smartboyhw | cub, just ask, we'll help:) | 15:03 |
| cub | or I could document my process later on | 15:03 |
| smartboyhw | cub, sure. | 15:03 |
| OvenWerks | sounds wonderful! | 15:04 |
| cub | woaw the copyright-format page was quite extensive | 15:05 |
| smartboyhw | cub, yeah:)\ | 15:05 |
| cub | very well, gotta head home and feed the family. Will check in later. | 15:06 |
| smartboyhw | Hey madeinkobaia :) | 15:06 |
| madeinkobaia | hey smartboyhw | 15:06 |
| madeinkobaia | :) | 15:06 |
| cub | Hi madeinkobaia I was just on my way out so just a quick question, did you have time to look at my draft for youtube tutorial guidelines? | 15:07 |
| smartboyhw | cub, ooh nice! | 15:09 |
| smartboyhw | Can I have a sneak peek of it?:P | 15:09 |
| * OvenWerks wanders off to eat breakfast... | 15:09 | |
| madeinkobaia | cub: For the moment I am a really busy, but I saw your mail about the tutorial. In fact I was planning to add a new picture as background image. Now that takes more time than I expected for create it. Because also I wanted than this picture could be use as default wallpaper for the 13.04. I will send you a proposition in about +- 1 week. | 15:12 |
| cub | excellent. | 15:12 |
| cub | gotta run, bye! | 15:13 |
| madeinkobaia | Bbl ! See you smartboyhw ! | 15:48 |
| zequence | OvenWerks: been away for a couple of days. Just came back | 18:51 |
| OvenWerks | zequence: hello, no worries. | 20:16 |
| zequence | OvenWerks: Nice initiative with the packages | 20:16 |
| zequence | I won't have much time to do anything until I land in Switzerland on Thu | 20:17 |
| OvenWerks | just a part of package maint we have not thought of | 20:17 |
| OvenWerks | we will continue to fumble along :) | 20:18 |
| OvenWerks | micahg: seems I was using rather old versioning for things like debhelp and that my copyright file should be "machine readable". Anyway, the ubuntustudio-installer package has had these things corrected. It has built and passed Lintian with no errors. | 23:18 |
| OvenWerks | micahg: it appears most of our packages have similar errors :P so we will be going over them slowly to correct this. | 23:20 |
| OvenWerks | It seems like a good project for getting new people started too. | 23:21 |
| OvenWerks | micahg: when is a good time to remind you to upload -installer? | 23:22 |
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