[03:26] <OvenWerks> zequence: -default-settings and -audio-settings? My thought is that someone only installing graphics meta or photography meta may not want the audio tweaks.
[03:27] <OvenWerks> Or maybe make it part of the audio meta itself.
[03:27] <OvenWerks> I don't know if I would make the low latency kerenl an audio meat depends or not though.
[03:28] <OvenWerks> smartboyhw: good morning
[03:28] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, good morning
[03:28] <OvenWerks> evening here ;)
[03:29] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, good evening then:)
[03:30] <OvenWerks> just waiting for our installer to get uploaded.
[03:31] <OvenWerks> verbally wondering if we should separate out the audio settings from default.
[03:31] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, what are the changes?
[03:32] <smartboyhw> I mean, of the installer
[03:32] <OvenWerks> changes? it is a new package
[03:32] <OvenWerks> (application)
[03:33] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, oh
[03:33] <smartboyhw> You mean the application itself, damn:P
[03:33] <OvenWerks> It takes a list of packages on the command line and gives the user a gui with them the user can choose from.
[03:34] <OvenWerks> with different desktop files it can be used as a different installer for each menu.
[03:34] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, good
[03:34] <OvenWerks> sort of like we were doing with USC but much much lighter
[03:34] <OvenWerks> it is flavour agnostic.
[03:35] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, :)
[03:35] <OvenWerks> It is now all gui except for the progress bar
[03:35] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, oh
[03:36] <OvenWerks> written in perl and uses zenity for the list gui and policykit for password.
[03:37] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, whoa!
[03:38] <OvenWerks> I hope in the future to use the zenity progress bar as well.
[03:38] <OvenWerks> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio/ubuntustudio-installer for more info.
[03:38] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, :)
[03:39] <OvenWerks> It is the first sw I have written from start to package.
[03:39] <OvenWerks> (first man page I have ever written too)
[03:40] <OvenWerks> Anyway, wife wants this computer so she can do some singing.
[03:42] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, LOL
[03:47] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, the copyright file
[03:47] <smartboyhw> in debian/copyright
[03:47] <smartboyhw> It isn't machine-readable
[03:47] <smartboyhw> And why is debhelper >= 5? :O
[03:48] <smartboyhw> Why is architecture all?
[04:07] <OvenWerks> arc is all becuase it is a script. Should work in anything.
[04:08] <OvenWerks> lintian likes the copyright file
[04:08] <OvenWerks> I am not sure how iwould make it machine readable
[04:12] <OvenWerks> version 5 DH is what another package had... it could be 9 I am guessing.
[04:13] <OvenWerks> smartboyhw: can you point me to something that explains the copyright file machine readability?
[04:32] <OvenWerks> Says machine readability is optional
[04:34] <OvenWerks> smartboyhw: I don't think I will worry about those things at this time. None of them are broken or have bad policy.
[08:08] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, OK... But it's real weird to have low compat versions:P
[08:08] <smartboyhw> And non-machine readable copyright
[08:09] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, look at http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/debian-dir-overview.html
[08:09] <smartboyhw> And http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/copyright-format/1.0/
[08:13] <smartboyhw> I'm still thinking if it should be any or all
[08:14] <smartboyhw> If I'm correct it should be any
[08:41] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, also it isn't good to leave an empty Conflicts: fiekd
[08:41] <smartboyhw> *field
[09:27] <ttoine> zequence, are you here ?
[13:36] <OvenWerks> smartboyhw: arc "any" is for src that can be compiled for any arc, "All" is for a binary package that can work on all arcs. 
[13:36] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, OK, but how about the copyright file?
[13:37] <OvenWerks> The manual I turned up said machine readable was optional
[13:37] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, but it's better.
[13:38] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, if I'm a Debian Developer, I would have rejected your package (due to low compat level)
[13:38] <smartboyhw> Seriously, 5 is TOO low
[13:38] <OvenWerks> smartboyhw: there are two packages I would like to get out for 13.10... this one and -menu
[13:38] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, micahg is your solution...
[13:38] <smartboyhw> Or just ask the sponsors
[13:38] <OvenWerks> what level would you like?
[13:38] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, at least 8. Preferably 9.
[13:38] <OvenWerks> That I can change.
[13:39] <OvenWerks> It seems that our other US packages need to fixed as well
[13:39] <OvenWerks> Take a look at our settings for example.
[13:40] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, compat level you mean?
[13:41] <OvenWerks> copyright
[13:41] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, it's good if you can fix that. I can help too.
[13:42] <OvenWerks> dh = 8
[13:43] <OvenWerks> All of these US packages are created and maintained by people who normally don't package.
[13:43] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, oh
[13:43]  * smartboyhw does package a lot:P
[13:44] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, OK, I will start fixing once I've done kde-telepathy here.
[13:44] <OvenWerks> So any package in our code section you wish to sugest a merge for, I will drop it in.
[13:45] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, do I have to? (I'm in ~ubuntustudio-dev)
[13:45] <smartboyhw> Trust me for copyright files:P
[13:45] <OvenWerks> If you can upload to our branch that is one less job for me.
[13:45] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, ofc:)
[13:47] <OvenWerks> for dh version, do I have to have a 9.* version or can I use just 9?
[13:47] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, 9 ONLY
[13:47] <OvenWerks> settings has 8.1.3
[13:48] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, you don't normally explicitly select a settings version...
[13:48] <smartboyhw> For example, debhelper (>= 8.0.0) for 8
[13:48] <smartboyhw> or debhelper (>= 9)
[13:48] <smartboyhw> for 9
[13:48] <OvenWerks> I mean our -settings package
[13:49] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, oh, I mean debhelper version in Build-Dep of settings
[13:49] <OvenWerks> I am looking at what other packages need fixing.
[13:50] <OvenWerks> As I am suggesting we split -settings... it would be good to correct that and it's copyright stuff.
[13:54] <OvenWerks> our -meta package should be arc all, not any I think.
[13:54] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, NO.
[13:54] <smartboyhw> Never do that.
[13:55] <smartboyhw> If you have packages that can't work on certain arch
[13:55] <smartboyhw> Then doing all will cause disaster.
[13:55] <OvenWerks> ok makes sense
[13:56] <OvenWerks> Shouldn't all the list of applications be recomends anyway?
[13:57] <OvenWerks> As depends, if the user removes any one package it would remove the meta
[13:57] <OvenWerks> and all the programs on it.
[13:57] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, hmm........
[13:57] <OvenWerks> In the seeds I have been trying to use recomends for that reason.
[13:58] <smartboyhw> You don't want that for alsa or xfce I think
[13:58] <OvenWerks> no.
[13:58] <OvenWerks> I mean for like the audio meta
[13:58] <OvenWerks> though some things are still hard depends like jackd
[13:59] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, recommends is OK
[13:59] <OvenWerks> but LMMS for example should not be.
[14:00] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, yes
[14:00] <OvenWerks> a synopis of this discusion should end up in our ML
[14:02] <OvenWerks> we could ask for volunteers to fix something in one package even.
[14:05] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, great
[14:09] <OvenWerks> The meta depends thing should just go to zequence at this point as he did that package.
[14:10] <OvenWerks> but the general package updating/fixing could be done by anyone.
[14:12] <smartboyhw> Like me for instance:0
[14:12] <smartboyhw> Oops, should be :)
[14:13] <OvenWerks> I would like to get some of the new people who have offered to contribute doing something that makes them feel useful
[14:14] <OvenWerks> You could "vet" their work...
[14:15] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, sure
[14:15] <OvenWerks> of course if there are no takers then it you and I...
[14:15] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, send the email please :)
[14:15] <OvenWerks> working on it...
[14:28] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, zequence I suddenly thought of one thing: Where's DarkEra?
[14:34] <OvenWerks> not sure.
[14:35] <OvenWerks> smartboyhw: what is a good page to send people to for learning to use bzr with launchpad?
 I would like to get some of the new people who have offered to contribute doing something that makes them feel useful
 I would like to get some of the new people who have offered to contribute doing something that makes them feel useful
[14:43] <cub> to do what?
[14:43] <cub> hmm double post…stupid mac
[14:44] <OvenWerks> Just writing an email for the list... but basically we are finding our packages are out dated
[14:44] <OvenWerks> the copyright files need to be made machine readable and some of our depends are for really old versions.
[14:46] <OvenWerks> cub: ^^
[14:46] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, hmm
[14:46] <smartboyhw> bzr online doc?
[14:47] <OvenWerks> launchpad has help pages too.
[14:47] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, whatever
[14:47] <cub> OvenWerks, being the NSG (new stupid guy) that still doesn't make me understand what to do. :P
[14:47] <smartboyhw> As long as people understand how to use bzr;P
[14:48] <smartboyhw> cub, your task (sounds like Mission Impossible) is to update the copyright files to machine-readable using specific format and update the debhelper version to a newer one.
[14:48] <OvenWerks> cub: I started there too not very long ago :)
[14:48] <OvenWerks> you need: launchpad account and install bzr
[14:49] <cub> done.
[14:50] <OvenWerks> have you got ssh and pgp keys set up?
[14:50] <cub> yes, but on my laptop at home
[14:50]  * cub is still at work
[14:50] <OvenWerks> thats ok where ever you wish to do the work.
[14:51] <cub> yeah, it's just that I can't test anything now
[14:51] <OvenWerks> go to https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev and select a package
[14:51] <OvenWerks> for example 
[14:51] <OvenWerks> ubuntustudio-default-settings
[14:52] <cub> ok
[14:52] <OvenWerks> and go to that page. then branch it (means download) into the directory you want to work on it
[14:52] <OvenWerks> There is a section at the top that says "Get this branch"
[14:53] <OvenWerks> use the command under that in a terminal.
[14:53] <cub> yes, I have downloaded things before. just never worked on them
[14:53] <cub> mostly to get art stuff
[14:53] <OvenWerks> This will copy the branch to your computer
[14:53] <OvenWerks> ok
[14:54] <OvenWerks> inside that folder will be the debian folder and the copyright file is in there
[14:55] <OvenWerks> I have just sent email to the list. it may help or confuse you :)
[14:56] <OvenWerks> The branch command should work on any machine with bzr even without pgp/ssh set up.
[14:57] <cub> great, I will take a look later on this evening I hope
[14:57] <cub> yeah, I just don't have bar on my work machine. Booting up my eee pc which I had in my bag. =)
[14:57] <OvenWerks> there is a link to the machine readable copyright spec though
[14:58] <OvenWerks> http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/copyright-format/1.0/
[14:59] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, I will approve cub's work when he submits it
[14:59] <OvenWerks> smartboyhw: email sent, feel free to add comments.
[15:00] <OvenWerks> sounds good to me.
[15:02] <OvenWerks> I should have added that people should tell the list what package you are working on so two people are not doing the same work.
[15:02] <cub> That would be a good idea.'
[15:02] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, comment sent.
[15:02] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, make a wiki page:p
[15:03] <OvenWerks> I am going to spend time making bread and fixing a trailer today... then I might get to fixing -installer.
[15:03] <cub> yeah, the next new guy will ask the same questions as me (perhaps)
[15:03] <smartboyhw> cub, yeah.
[15:03] <smartboyhw> cub, just ask, we'll help:)
[15:03] <cub> or I could document my process later on
[15:03] <smartboyhw> cub, sure.
[15:04] <OvenWerks> sounds wonderful!
[15:05] <cub> woaw the copyright-format page was quite extensive
[15:05] <smartboyhw> cub, yeah:)\
[15:06] <cub> very well, gotta head home and feed the family. Will check in later.
[15:06] <smartboyhw> Hey madeinkobaia :)
[15:06] <madeinkobaia> hey smartboyhw
[15:06] <madeinkobaia> :)
[15:07] <cub> Hi madeinkobaia I was just on my way out so just a quick question, did you have time to look at my draft for youtube tutorial guidelines?
[15:09] <smartboyhw> cub, ooh nice!
[15:09] <smartboyhw> Can I have a sneak peek of it?:P
[15:09]  * OvenWerks wanders off to eat breakfast...
[15:12] <madeinkobaia> cub: For the moment I am a really busy, but I saw your mail about the tutorial. In fact I was planning to add a new picture as background image. Now that takes more time than I expected for create it. Because also I wanted than this picture could be use as default wallpaper for the 13.04. I will send you a proposition in about +- 1 week.
[15:12] <cub> excellent.
[15:13] <cub> gotta run, bye!
[15:48] <madeinkobaia> Bbl ! See you smartboyhw !
[18:51] <zequence> OvenWerks: been away for a couple of days. Just came back
[20:16] <OvenWerks> zequence: hello, no worries.
[20:16] <zequence> OvenWerks: Nice initiative with the packages
[20:17] <zequence> I won't have much time to do anything until I land in Switzerland on Thu
[20:17] <OvenWerks> just a part of package maint we have not thought of
[20:18] <OvenWerks> we will continue to fumble along :)
[23:18] <OvenWerks> micahg: seems I was using rather old versioning for things like debhelp and that my copyright file should be "machine readable". Anyway, the ubuntustudio-installer package has had these things corrected. It has built and passed Lintian with no errors.
[23:20] <OvenWerks> micahg: it appears most of our packages have similar errors :P so we will be going over them slowly to correct this.
[23:21] <OvenWerks> It seems like a good project for getting new people started too.
[23:22] <OvenWerks> micahg: when is a good time to remind you to upload -installer?