[03:26] zequence: -default-settings and -audio-settings? My thought is that someone only installing graphics meta or photography meta may not want the audio tweaks. [03:27] Or maybe make it part of the audio meta itself. [03:27] I don't know if I would make the low latency kerenl an audio meat depends or not though. [03:28] smartboyhw: good morning [03:28] OvenWerks, good morning [03:28] evening here ;) [03:29] OvenWerks, good evening then:) [03:30] just waiting for our installer to get uploaded. [03:31] verbally wondering if we should separate out the audio settings from default. [03:31] OvenWerks, what are the changes? [03:32] I mean, of the installer [03:32] changes? it is a new package [03:32] (application) [03:33] OvenWerks, oh [03:33] You mean the application itself, damn:P [03:33] It takes a list of packages on the command line and gives the user a gui with them the user can choose from. [03:34] with different desktop files it can be used as a different installer for each menu. [03:34] OvenWerks, good [03:34] sort of like we were doing with USC but much much lighter [03:34] it is flavour agnostic. [03:35] OvenWerks, :) [03:35] It is now all gui except for the progress bar [03:35] OvenWerks, oh [03:36] written in perl and uses zenity for the list gui and policykit for password. [03:37] OvenWerks, whoa! [03:38] I hope in the future to use the zenity progress bar as well. [03:38] https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio/ubuntustudio-installer for more info. [03:38] OvenWerks, :) [03:39] It is the first sw I have written from start to package. [03:39] (first man page I have ever written too) [03:40] Anyway, wife wants this computer so she can do some singing. [03:42] OvenWerks, LOL [03:47] OvenWerks, the copyright file [03:47] in debian/copyright [03:47] It isn't machine-readable [03:47] And why is debhelper >= 5? :O [03:48] Why is architecture all? [04:07] arc is all becuase it is a script. Should work in anything. [04:08] lintian likes the copyright file [04:08] I am not sure how iwould make it machine readable [04:12] version 5 DH is what another package had... it could be 9 I am guessing. [04:13] smartboyhw: can you point me to something that explains the copyright file machine readability? [04:32] Says machine readability is optional [04:34] smartboyhw: I don't think I will worry about those things at this time. None of them are broken or have bad policy. [08:08] OvenWerks, OK... But it's real weird to have low compat versions:P [08:08] And non-machine readable copyright [08:09] OvenWerks, look at http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/debian-dir-overview.html [08:09] And http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/copyright-format/1.0/ [08:13] I'm still thinking if it should be any or all [08:14] If I'm correct it should be any [08:41] OvenWerks, also it isn't good to leave an empty Conflicts: fiekd [08:41] *field [09:27] zequence, are you here ? [13:36] smartboyhw: arc "any" is for src that can be compiled for any arc, "All" is for a binary package that can work on all arcs. [13:36] OvenWerks, OK, but how about the copyright file? [13:37] The manual I turned up said machine readable was optional [13:37] OvenWerks, but it's better. [13:38] OvenWerks, if I'm a Debian Developer, I would have rejected your package (due to low compat level) [13:38] Seriously, 5 is TOO low [13:38] smartboyhw: there are two packages I would like to get out for 13.10... this one and -menu [13:38] OvenWerks, micahg is your solution... [13:38] Or just ask the sponsors [13:38] what level would you like? [13:38] OvenWerks, at least 8. Preferably 9. [13:38] That I can change. [13:39] It seems that our other US packages need to fixed as well [13:39] Take a look at our settings for example. [13:40] OvenWerks, compat level you mean? [13:41] copyright [13:41] OvenWerks, it's good if you can fix that. I can help too. [13:42] dh = 8 [13:43] All of these US packages are created and maintained by people who normally don't package. [13:43] OvenWerks, oh [13:43] * smartboyhw does package a lot:P [13:44] OvenWerks, OK, I will start fixing once I've done kde-telepathy here. [13:44] So any package in our code section you wish to sugest a merge for, I will drop it in. [13:45] OvenWerks, do I have to? (I'm in ~ubuntustudio-dev) [13:45] Trust me for copyright files:P [13:45] If you can upload to our branch that is one less job for me. [13:45] OvenWerks, ofc:) [13:47] for dh version, do I have to have a 9.* version or can I use just 9? [13:47] OvenWerks, 9 ONLY [13:47] settings has 8.1.3 [13:48] OvenWerks, you don't normally explicitly select a settings version... [13:48] For example, debhelper (>= 8.0.0) for 8 [13:48] or debhelper (>= 9) [13:48] for 9 [13:48] I mean our -settings package [13:49] OvenWerks, oh, I mean debhelper version in Build-Dep of settings [13:49] I am looking at what other packages need fixing. [13:50] As I am suggesting we split -settings... it would be good to correct that and it's copyright stuff. [13:54] our -meta package should be arc all, not any I think. [13:54] OvenWerks, NO. [13:54] Never do that. [13:55] If you have packages that can't work on certain arch [13:55] Then doing all will cause disaster. [13:55] ok makes sense [13:56] Shouldn't all the list of applications be recomends anyway? [13:57] As depends, if the user removes any one package it would remove the meta [13:57] and all the programs on it. [13:57] OvenWerks, hmm........ [13:57] In the seeds I have been trying to use recomends for that reason. [13:58] You don't want that for alsa or xfce I think [13:58] no. [13:58] I mean for like the audio meta [13:58] though some things are still hard depends like jackd [13:59] OvenWerks, recommends is OK [13:59] but LMMS for example should not be. [14:00] OvenWerks, yes [14:00] a synopis of this discusion should end up in our ML [14:02] we could ask for volunteers to fix something in one package even. [14:05] OvenWerks, great [14:09] The meta depends thing should just go to zequence at this point as he did that package. [14:10] but the general package updating/fixing could be done by anyone. [14:12] Like me for instance:0 [14:12] Oops, should be :) [14:13] I would like to get some of the new people who have offered to contribute doing something that makes them feel useful [14:14] You could "vet" their work... [14:15] OvenWerks, sure [14:15] of course if there are no takers then it you and I... [14:15] OvenWerks, send the email please :) [14:15] working on it... [14:28] OvenWerks, zequence I suddenly thought of one thing: Where's DarkEra? === ubott2 is now known as ubottu [14:34] not sure. [14:35] smartboyhw: what is a good page to send people to for learning to use bzr with launchpad? [14:43] I would like to get some of the new people who have offered to contribute doing something that makes them feel useful [14:43] I would like to get some of the new people who have offered to contribute doing something that makes them feel useful [14:43] to do what? [14:43] hmm double post…stupid mac [14:44] Just writing an email for the list... but basically we are finding our packages are out dated [14:44] the copyright files need to be made machine readable and some of our depends are for really old versions. [14:46] cub: ^^ [14:46] OvenWerks, hmm [14:46] bzr online doc? [14:47] launchpad has help pages too. [14:47] OvenWerks, whatever [14:47] OvenWerks, being the NSG (new stupid guy) that still doesn't make me understand what to do. :P [14:47] As long as people understand how to use bzr;P [14:48] cub, your task (sounds like Mission Impossible) is to update the copyright files to machine-readable using specific format and update the debhelper version to a newer one. [14:48] cub: I started there too not very long ago :) [14:48] you need: launchpad account and install bzr [14:49] done. [14:50] have you got ssh and pgp keys set up? [14:50] yes, but on my laptop at home [14:50] * cub is still at work [14:50] thats ok where ever you wish to do the work. [14:51] yeah, it's just that I can't test anything now [14:51] go to https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev and select a package [14:51] for example [14:51] ubuntustudio-default-settings [14:52] ok [14:52] and go to that page. then branch it (means download) into the directory you want to work on it [14:52] There is a section at the top that says "Get this branch" [14:53] use the command under that in a terminal. [14:53] yes, I have downloaded things before. just never worked on them [14:53] mostly to get art stuff [14:53] This will copy the branch to your computer [14:53] ok [14:54] inside that folder will be the debian folder and the copyright file is in there [14:55] I have just sent email to the list. it may help or confuse you :) [14:56] The branch command should work on any machine with bzr even without pgp/ssh set up. [14:57] great, I will take a look later on this evening I hope [14:57] yeah, I just don't have bar on my work machine. Booting up my eee pc which I had in my bag. =) [14:57] there is a link to the machine readable copyright spec though [14:58] http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/copyright-format/1.0/ [14:59] OvenWerks, I will approve cub's work when he submits it [14:59] smartboyhw: email sent, feel free to add comments. [15:00] sounds good to me. [15:02] I should have added that people should tell the list what package you are working on so two people are not doing the same work. [15:02] That would be a good idea.' [15:02] OvenWerks, comment sent. [15:02] OvenWerks, make a wiki page:p [15:03] I am going to spend time making bread and fixing a trailer today... then I might get to fixing -installer. [15:03] yeah, the next new guy will ask the same questions as me (perhaps) [15:03] cub, yeah. [15:03] cub, just ask, we'll help:) [15:03] or I could document my process later on [15:03] cub, sure. [15:04] sounds wonderful! [15:05] woaw the copyright-format page was quite extensive [15:05] cub, yeah:)\ [15:06] very well, gotta head home and feed the family. Will check in later. [15:06] Hey madeinkobaia :) [15:06] hey smartboyhw [15:06] :) [15:07] Hi madeinkobaia I was just on my way out so just a quick question, did you have time to look at my draft for youtube tutorial guidelines? [15:09] cub, ooh nice! [15:09] Can I have a sneak peek of it?:P [15:09] * OvenWerks wanders off to eat breakfast... [15:12] cub: For the moment I am a really busy, but I saw your mail about the tutorial. In fact I was planning to add a new picture as background image. Now that takes more time than I expected for create it. Because also I wanted than this picture could be use as default wallpaper for the 13.04. I will send you a proposition in about +- 1 week. [15:12] excellent. [15:13] gotta run, bye! [15:48] Bbl ! See you smartboyhw ! [18:51] OvenWerks: been away for a couple of days. Just came back [20:16] zequence: hello, no worries. [20:16] OvenWerks: Nice initiative with the packages [20:17] I won't have much time to do anything until I land in Switzerland on Thu [20:17] just a part of package maint we have not thought of [20:18] we will continue to fumble along :) [23:18] micahg: seems I was using rather old versioning for things like debhelp and that my copyright file should be "machine readable". Anyway, the ubuntustudio-installer package has had these things corrected. It has built and passed Lintian with no errors. [23:20] micahg: it appears most of our packages have similar errors :P so we will be going over them slowly to correct this. [23:21] It seems like a good project for getting new people started too. [23:22] micahg: when is a good time to remind you to upload -installer?