=== Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [06:23] morning all [07:12] good morning everyone, [07:15] \o [07:15] morning morning [07:18] mornin [07:18] morning MooDoo and MartijnVdS [07:28] Good morning. A question. I have 10 computers with ubuntu YLMF installed. Can I connect a printer to one station and share it. The computers are all connected to a switch? Thanks [07:28] YLMF? [07:29] Rosway: it should be possible to share a printer by opening the printer config screen (top right -> "gear" icon -> system settings -> printer) [07:29] MartijnVdS: start os a chinese linux distro [07:30] so it's not ubuntu? [07:30] it's an ubuntu variant [07:30] hm, printer sharing isn't in there for me. [07:30] Why isn't printer sharing available in system-config-printer? [07:30] well version up to 3 is ubuntu [07:31] Yes it is based on the Ubuntu platform [07:31] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StartOS [07:31] the latest version isn't it's now based on xiange linux [07:34] Forgive me am a total novice with this os [07:35] Would it also be possible to connect 2 printer to the 1 PC and share both? [07:38] Rosway: it is possible, but the graphical tool doesn't seem to have an option for it [07:38] Rosway: let me check [07:38] Rosway: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NetworkPrintingWithUbuntu#Ubuntu_print_server [07:38] Rosway: that page has all the answers you're looking for [07:40] Thank you MartijnVds. Will have a look at it. === msm is now known as Guest97342 === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [09:14] Good morning all, happy Lighthouse Day! :-D [09:19] you couldn't find a non-american one? trinity house deserve some love too :) [09:20] morning JamesTait [09:20] shauno, I was going to go for Heyerdahl day, but thought that might actually be a thing. [09:20] MooDoo, o/ [09:23] happy diarrhea day!!! [09:23] ewwwwwwww [09:24] oh yes! [09:40] aww yiss [09:41] ? [09:41] just fixing his phonetic spelling :P [09:42] shouldn't it me ar yeah then :) === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte === graingert is now known as Guest15489 [09:48] should? [09:48] or not to should? [09:57] shauno: sadly the Northern Lighthouse Board don't have quite so catchy an address === luke1 is now known as NET||abuse [10:17] Morning all [10:18] morning davmor2 :) [10:20] flargen blargen [10:21] bless you [10:21] Good morning peeps :) [10:21] neuro: sorry got confused as you missed out yargen ;) [10:21] i really didn't [10:21] morning bigcalm [10:24] bigcalm: does this mean you've started the steak countdown? === graingert_ is now known as Guest14594 [10:24] davmor2: heh. Last couple of steaks were not great. Not sure what I'll have tonight === Guest14594 is now known as graingert__ === Guest72915 is now known as graingert [10:41] i have found the world's greatest musical instrument [10:41] https://soundcloud.com/evilneuro/cherry-7up-ringpull/s-fKhNJ [10:43] it's a little monotonic [10:50] guten morgen herr aq [10:52] Heh, this is an interesting idea for a laptop, solar powered, Ubuntu and submersible http://solaptop.com/en/products/laptops/ Not sure how the $400 price compares with other Atom machines [10:53] but you can save money on spare battery [10:55] Probably not going to be marketed in the UK anyway, solar power would probably be pretty useless for 364 days of the year [10:58] that, and I never open the curtains [10:59] question, what are normal post delivery times ? [11:00] Antime between about 7am and 3:30pm [11:00] wow, ok. === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch === msm is now known as Guest6641 === iahmad is now known as iahmad|afk === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g === iahmad|afk is now known as iahmad [13:11] brobostigon: depends, Normally before noon for royal mail(note during holiday season this is all to pot as one posty covers for another), for parcel delivery from 8:00 till 20:00 is the normal [13:12] davmor2: thank you, [13:15] can anyone tell me why */1 * * * * source /home/django/azelphur.com-v/bin/activate && python /home/django/azelphur.com/azelphur/manage.py gameserverquery doesn't work in cron? [13:16] I'm guessing it's something to do with the source, but I have no idea what I'd do to fix it [13:17] I'd suspect the same, since source is a bash built-in, not a regular command [13:18] personally, I'd be very tempted to just stuff it all in a wrapper, so cron just calls the wrapper, and you can use allt he bashisms you like within [13:19] yes, shauno is correct on both counts [13:19] yea, I'll try that [13:21] yea, works if I throw it all in a wrapper, ty :) [13:29] in other news, is there an easy way to get ipv6 working yet? [13:29] last I looked you had to read a small book to get it alive [13:29] Azelphur: I just get it from my ISP [13:29] Azelphur: and hosts auto-configure [13:29] MartijnVdS: cool, I don't think there are many ISPs that support it yet here, which is a shame :( [13:29] Azelphur: anyway, if you want a tunnel, that's 1 package (radvd) and a bit of configuration in /etc/network/interfaces [13:29] I have an option to break contract with TalkTalk though [13:30] so, I /could/ switch to one that does support it [13:30] Azelphur: http://www.sixxs.net/faq/connectivity/?faq=native [13:31] yea I just noticed, I don't think any of those will do me really [13:31] I know A&A is ridiculously expensive [13:32] Azelphur: you could get a tunnel from sixxs, it's really just a few lines of /etc/network/interfaces -- and they generate them for you :) [13:32] cool [13:32] I'll probably look into that if I can't get an ISP that supports it [13:32] MartijnVdS: is that list likely to be complete? [13:32] Azelphur: unknown [13:34] i have used aiccu to do the config for me before. [13:35] A&A is ridiculously priced unless you want 50GB/mo, Bogons has no fibre, clarane---wait wtf [13:35] 300mbit downstream?!? [13:36] claranet seems cool for when I get rich ;) [13:38] Azelphur: i've complained to rev k a few times about their seemingly random pricing model for the non home::1 packages [13:38] hehe [13:38] would love to use a&a but 30 quid a month each for unlimited 80/20 from sky and bt is just too tempting to refuse [13:39] i can live with dynamic native ipv4 and tunnelled ipv6 [13:39] for now, at least [13:39] yna [13:39] neuro: that's near enough my thinking, A&A want like £140+ for me [13:39] and that's if I skimp on the bandwidth [13:40] i'd be nearly 400 quid [13:41] * Seeker` wishes he could get proepr ipv6 [13:41] yea I probably would be too, I skimped on the daytime net [13:41] claranet certainly looks interesting, just prohibitively expensive [13:41] they are about £55 [13:42] I haven't had any issues tunnelling. it was bumpy a couple of years ago, but all happy now [13:42] LOL lets all get IDNet [13:42] only £1094/mo [13:42] clara aren't really a consumer provider anymore [13:42] you can come to .nl, we have XS4ALL ;) [13:42] smeg off, dutchy :) [13:42] also, we have 100/100 fibre [13:42] xD [13:43] Azelphur: have you ever quoted up metro ethernet off a&a for a laugh? [13:43] nope [13:43] 1Gbps symmetric [13:43] £18.3K install [13:43] £17.8K monthly [13:43] smeg off, lol. [13:43] ex VAT :) [13:45] neuro: http://helpforum.sky.com/t5/Broadband-Setup-Connection-WiFi/IPv6/m-p/579336/highlight/true#M23623 [13:45] this post seems to indicate sky supports ipv6 just no support at the DNS level? [13:45] and for additional lulz, i quoted up 1Gbps WEES between my folks and me [13:45] £5K install, £944/mo [13:45] basically lanex over fibre [13:46] lol [13:46] ooh, my isp have finally updated their stance on ipv6. last month they were still claiming they were on-track for a 2012 rollout. they've finally changed it to 2014. [13:46] haha [13:46] shauno: are you on sky? [13:46] shauno: oh wow.. several ISPs have been saying they'd be rolling out "this year" for the past 3 years :) [13:46] nah, chorus/upc Ireland [13:46] Azelphur: they're not saying ipv6 is delivered to CPE [13:46] they're saying they have v6 running in their core [13:47] MartijnVdS: yeah, that I'm used to. but I did find "last year" to be betterer :) [13:47] neuro: he says he can access ipv6 websites by entering the Ipv6 address? [13:47] that would mean Sky break DNS [13:47] hmmm [13:47] no [13:47] oh maybe teredo? [13:48] ding [13:48] that'll be it [13:48] bloody microsoft [13:48] neuro: I assume tunneling is basically proxy, which means slow [13:49] not really [13:49] i don't get max line speed, but i can push 10-15 Mbps at times [13:49] ping speeds are identical [13:49] since i'm tunnelling via london, and all my egress traffic ends up going via london anyway [13:50] melbourne:~ neuro$ ping -c1 saopaulo | tail -1 [13:50] round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 18.204/18.204/18.204/0.000 ms [13:50] melbourne:~ neuro$ ping6 -c1 saopaulo | tail -1 [13:50] round-trip min/avg/max/std-dev = 18.135/18.135/18.135/0.000 ms [13:50] I see, not too bad I suppose [13:51] that's from my macbook to a host in london [13:51] Home to "google.com": 64 bytes from we-in-x71.1e100.net: icmp_seq=1 ttl=55 time=8.92 ms [13:52] Home to bigv.io: 64 bytes from 2001:41c8:51:224:feff:ff:fe00:c9e: icmp_seq=1 ttl=55 time=18.6 ms [13:52] yeah but your country is like tiny [13:52] neuro: but we're further from the US than you are [13:52] i have to endure 6-8 ms light speed time plus broadband overheads [13:52] MartijnVdS: so? :) [13:52] neuro: what's a host in the US with IPv6, so we can compare? :) [13:53] ooh [13:53] let's looksee [13:53] 64 bytes from cav6tf.org: icmp_seq=1 ttl=53 time=149 ms [13:53] whaaaat [13:53] no way is that hosted in .ca.us [13:54] hmm, seems it is [13:54] lon>ny>chicago>denver>san jose [13:55] melbourne:~ neuro$ ping -c1 cav6tf.org | tail -1 [13:55] round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 156.965/156.965/156.965/0.000 ms [13:55] melbourne:~ neuro$ ping6 -c1 cav6tf.org | tail -1 [13:55] round-trip min/avg/max/std-dev = 154.489/154.489/154.489/0.000 ms [13:55] seems ping speeds have dipped a bit in the last few years [13:55] i was used to seeing ~180 [13:55] neuro: c increased [13:55] lol [13:55] HAWKING!!! *shakes fist* [13:56] actually, what's your trace, since you seem to get faster pings than me [13:56] once it exists my ISP, it goes to ams, lon, nyc, chi, den, sjc, fmt on he.net [13:57] exits* [13:57] (Fremont?) [13:57] most likely, that's HE's largest footprint in cali [13:57] http://pastebin.com/Lk0VtADT [13:58] so how the hell ... oh right, your ping to he is lower than mine [13:58] http://pastebin.com/D757vCJi [13:59] i seem to be going a different route from you as well [13:59] i wonder what mci3 is [13:59] something between il and co [14:00] ah [14:00] it's IATA codes [14:00] MCI = Kansas City [14:00] bigcalm: you like a bit of dubstep right how about mixing it up a little with classical violinism http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHjpOzsQ9YI [14:00] wub wub wub wub wub [14:00] violin + dubstep.. police sirens? [14:01] Lindsey Stirling \o/ [14:01] MartijnVdS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=th3autLpnMs [14:02] Azelphur: you'll love these guys then http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5X8wA2pn9sbD765c-rmkMg [14:03] davmor2: hint: they're not guys [14:03] lol [14:03] when is the drop? [14:03] davmor2: at a glace, not particularly o.O [14:03] MartijnVdS: Meh semantics I use the word guys to mean people :P [14:04] Azelphur: listen to some of it :) [14:04] I did :) [14:05] davmor2: nothing particularly wrong with it, just not amazingly interesting either [14:05] (mostly because I'm not really into that genre) [14:07] Azelphur: which Genre they play most :D admittedly theirs is more chill [14:07] yea :) [14:08] I don't listen to a lot of chill music [14:08] Dave2: oh, her [14:11] oops [14:11] davmor2: oh, her [14:11] davmor2: the dubstep was too minimal [14:12] HER INDEED [14:38] I've been writing German too much today; I read Dave2's comment as "Herr Indeed" like "Mr. Indeed" [14:39] :) [14:41] neuro: oO, I think I've found an answer [14:41] to what? [14:41] neuro: a decent internet connection with ipv6 at a sane price [14:41] move to amsterdam? [14:42] nah, entanet has a very good offering [14:42] ooft [14:42] neuro: I know an entanet partner so he'll give me it at no profit [14:43] and, they have ipv6 unlimited FTTC [14:43] all the things \o/ [14:43] who [14:43] neuro: my dad xD [14:43] if you don't mind me asking [14:43] haha lol [14:43] I told him he should start selling that shit pronto [14:44] because everybody wants it. [14:44] :o [14:44] if my dad was an entanet reseller, he'd have been my first port of call before looking anywhere else ;) [14:44] I think the majority of people in this channel would be happy paying £50/mo for unlimited no FUP IPv6 enabled 80/20 no? [14:44] my router's capable of IPv6 yet my ISP is not ¬_¬ [14:44] yesh [14:44] my router's a BT homehub, no idea if it's v6-aware [14:44] neuro: yea, he was my first port of call, I was just shopping around while I waited for him to reply [14:45] directhex: it's not, yet [14:45] bt are planning to roll out v6 this year, allegedly [14:45] Azelphur, actually that's a lot, i pay a lot less for about the same thing (minus v6) [14:45] apparently talktalk have my line locked so I have to go get a neighbours number and get them to check that [14:45] but assuming all is good, they will fit me a new line and give me a real good deal ;) === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea [14:45] directhex: that's inc line rental / vat [14:45] wtf? [14:45] 50/mo for everything [14:45] fire your number into bt's infinity checker and see what happens [14:46] Azelphur, still a lot [14:46] neuro: apparently that's no good [14:46] everyone doing fttc are just reselling openreach anyway [14:46] directhex: not really, isn't sky like 45 or something? [14:46] bt line rental is £15, and unlimited 76/16 infinity is £26 [14:46] directhex: and then you're forced into a phone package, no? [14:46] sorry, 76/19 [14:46] everyone just says 80/20 ;) [14:47] neuro: yea xD [14:47] in reality i get about 65-70/15-17 [14:47] i get 73/16, give or take [14:47] that tends to be how any phone-line based service operates [14:47] Azelphur, that includes a call package (weekend calls) [14:47] max downstream sync i can get is about 85 according to the openreach engineer who did my bt and sky installs [14:47] Guernsey's VDSL2 services are 40/2 at the moment, my line syncs at 50/20 [14:47] directhex: so that's £31 basically? not bad I guess [14:48] daftykins: that's the entry level bt product [14:48] 40/2 [14:48] errr openreach product, i mean [14:48] Azelphur, £41, but yes, that's the baseline price. and bt definitely don't have a usage limit [14:48] yeah we don't have BT here. [14:48] 40/2, then 40/20, then 80/20, then 300/something [14:48] Azelphur, i push about 10G a day [14:48] yea, so £9 more for ipv6 [14:48] and decent customer support [14:48] I think it's a good deal. [14:49] * neuro is happy with what he has, unfortunately :) [14:49] only 10GB :( [14:49] wasted! [14:49] hehe [14:49] well as I say I'll give it a try I think [14:49] don't fancy doing a v6 renumbering just yet [14:49] yeah absolutely [14:50] Sky/BT are almost the same price, and IPv6 is starting to annoy me [14:50] and I don't like the idea of tunnelling [14:50] wfm [14:50] :P [14:50] sky is a measurably more evil company than bt [14:50] pff [14:50] given how evil bt is, this is impressive [14:51] :D === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g [14:54] (15:44:29) Azelphur: I think the majority of people in this channel would be happy paying £50/mo for unlimited no FUP IPv6 enabled 80/20 no? [14:54] no [14:54] lol [14:54] i would be much happier paying £10/month for 10/2 with a 50MB limit [14:54] 50GB sorry :P [14:54] but 10/2 isn't a real product [14:54] it's what i actually get though [14:55] adsl2+? [14:55] it's supposed to be 20/8 or something [14:55] yeah, just [14:55] well there you go [14:55] nasty [14:55] lowest fttc product is 40/2, and you're more likely to get close to line speed as cabs are more evenly distributed than exchanges [14:55] in urban areas anyway [14:55] thing is i don't cae how fast it is [14:56] heathen [14:56] i would like a bit more upload [14:56] waiting hours for a 5 minute youtube video to upload is a bit annoying [14:56] thankfully our ISP doesn't do FUPs at all [14:56] well then, fttc is your only real option [14:56] 40/20 can be gotten reasonably cheaply [14:57] i definitely want more upload than this 40/2 :( [14:57] i have no use for "unlimited" [14:57] either [14:58] actually, sorry, i'm talking out my bum [14:58] 40 meg packages are usually 40/2 or 40/10 [14:58] i would rather pay £5/month and have always on ISDN [14:58] BT Infinity 1, up to 38Mbps down, up to 9.5Mbps up, 40GB usage, £15/mo plus line rental [14:58] the cheaper the better really [14:58] isdn? [14:58] are you mental? [14:59] 128Kbps?! [14:59] i don't even think any ISPs offer that as a product any more [15:00] in a way, they all do [15:00] if you divide the FUP by 1 month [15:00] you usually get a lot less than that [15:01] yeah but there's a difference between a throttle and a cap [15:01] and /me points to ISPs who offer FUPless products [15:01] yes. one is very poorly defined [15:01] what do you mean by that? [15:03] a bandwidth cap might be in the small print but more likely you won't know what it is until you hit it [15:03] a throttle is known up front by both parties [15:03] which is why any ISP tho caps worth their salt will have a control panel where you can see your usage [15:03] sky and BT both do this, can't speak for others [15:04] and the cap has to be up front, not just in the small print; ofcom regs [15:04] and you'd be surprised how hard some make it to discover that you can get throttled [15:05] so merely stipulating that the service is "unlimited* (*with fair usage policy)" is no longer allowed by ofcom? [15:05] i know a lot of people on virgin who knew nothing about their traffic management policies [15:05] i don't think ISPs do that any more [15:05] right, they all have a download cap instead [15:06] unlimited with FUP usually just means "hey, we'll throttle some stuff we know can be a hog, here's what we throttle" [15:06] because it means they can still advertise based on unachievable speeds that will exceed your cap within 15 minutes [15:06] which usually means "we throttle usenet and p2p" [15:06] i'm looking at BT's product list right now [15:06] they only offer "unlimited" products that are actually unlimited [15:06] all other products have stated caps in big fonts [15:07] let me put it another way [15:07] ok :) [15:08] (BT used to have a ~300GB limit on their unlimited products, but that's not been around since 2011 iirc) [15:08] i would rather have a dedicated ISDN line with no caps, throttling, or other hidden stuff, than 100/10 ADSL that only works when the wind blows the right way and only has enough cap to use it for 2 hours per month [15:08] at the risk of being pernickity [15:08] 100/10 is impossible over ADSL [15:09] doesn't matter, i don't want it anyway [15:09] Infinity et al are VDSL, and pretty stable [15:09] choice seems to have made available lots of crap products instead of lots of good competing ones, in England [15:09] upc have an odd version of Unlimited™. They made a big fuss about dropping the caps, and then sent me a letter to tell me I'd used way more than Unlimited™ allows for. and that if I did it again, they'd bump me onto a higher plan - that still doesn't allow for what I'd used :/ [15:09] daftykins: that's the reality of the free market [15:09] shauno: :( was it even that much? [15:09] it's always a race to the bottom [15:10] my telco won't even implement products. [15:10] one size fits all =/ [15:10] they're actually actively phoning customers to try and move them to the VDSL2+ service (40/2) from the ADSL2+ (16/0.75) [15:10] ali1234, you're campaigning against something that doesn't exist any more, plenty of products are both fast and uncapped, e.g. mine [15:10] I'm not sure what 'that much' is anymore :/ it wasn't Azelphur-scale nets though. less than 2TB/mo [15:11] i always get this response of "oh, well *my* ISP isn't capped" and then 6 months later we hear that that ISP has, in fact, had to introduce caps [15:11] ali1234, and on 128k ISDN, maxed out, you can download 40GB in a month. which is bt's beginner level cap. [15:12] it's all this darned fineprint. mine told me they were dropping the caps, when all they did was tack a zero onto the end of it [15:12] 40GB just happens to around what i download in a month [15:12] and if you're downloading so much that you blow your cap in 2 hours, just get an unlimited product [15:12] ali1234, i download about 250GB a month [15:12] but at the same time, they moved me to 150mbit line. so adding a zero to the transit didn't go so far [15:13] if i had to sit and worry every month about how much i had downloaded or uploaded, i'd go mad [15:13] which is partly why i use my mobile so little when i'm out and about [15:13] once i'm on three all you can eat, i won't have to worry about that any more [15:14] it's peace of mind that i'm more interested in [15:14] and for 90 quid a month, i have peace of mind :) [15:15] (90ish) [15:15] Your allowance usage from 01 Aug to 06 Aug [15:15] Your allowance will reset on 01 Sep [15:15] Your usage for this month is 82.29 GB [15:15] 69.62 GB downloaded [15:15] 12.67 GB uploaded [15:15] How does this compare [15:15] Your average monthly usage is [15:15] 248.83 GB [15:15] You have an unlimited product and will never be charged for additional usage [15:15] ooh, never thought to check mine this month [15:15] sky tell me nothing, they just say "you have unlimited usage, don't worry about it" :) [15:16] bt still measure it. was surprised by how big the number is [15:16] Your average monthly usage is [15:16] 1020.03 GB [15:16] 61 down, 22 up so far this month [15:17] ah, here it is [15:17] Your Broadband Usage [15:17] You are a Sky Fibre Unlimited Pro customer. [15:17] The package you are on is truly unlimited, so you needn't worry about usage allowances. [15:26] anyone ever been to much black tie stuff? [15:26] ali1234: It's funny how long it takes to upload stuff without a decent connection [15:26] a friend of mine was asking what i thought of a dress but the more i ponder on it the more i think perhaps legs should be covered more in black tie 0o [15:27] I can do really cool stuff like taking an 8mp photo, uploads to dropbox, downloads to my PC, in seconds, gonna take a photo right now (note the timestamp) :P [15:27] go go gadget dropbox! [15:28] annnnnd done, it's on my PC. [15:28] apparently the little popup didn't come up, so it was up much earlier [15:28] where'd the little popup go? :< [15:28] it's had enough of your shenanigans [15:28] i used to be really anal about the methodology of my computer-based actions, like i wouldn't use something like that because uploading and downloading over the same connection rather than a local transfer seemed wasteful [15:28] of course i know how infinitely easier than cable fetching it is :D [15:29]