| jrwren | python3.3 is a little faster than 2.7 | 00:40 |
|---|---|---|
| rick_h | yea, it's what they say. Which is nice because 3.0 was slloooooooow | 00:40 |
| jrwren | brousch: use pypy! | 00:41 |
| jrwren | :) | 00:41 |
| rick_h | man, I should have done a wc on that email. | 00:59 |
| rick_h | people, don't ask why things don't work with JS turned off...it's not a legit question any more | 00:59 |
| jrwren | lol, i run no script, I still don't ask those questions. | 01:03 |
| rick_h | do you run noscript on all JS? The only legit use I can see is 3rd party JS | 01:03 |
| jrwren | FF has 3rd party JS disabled by default now :) | 01:36 |
| jrwren | i run noscript on all JS | 01:36 |
| jrwren | then I enable site by site. | 01:36 |
| jrwren | it doesn't take long to get a trusted profile of sites going | 01:36 |
| greg-g | jrwren++ | 01:36 |
| jrwren | and if I don't trust a site, i don't enable JS | 01:37 |
| jrwren | bonus: awesome ad blocker | 01:37 |
| jrwren | i never get some unwanted flash movie advertisement | 01:37 |
| jrwren | i never see the fortune.com ad, i just click enxt. | 01:37 |
| jrwren | and I save bandwidth on all those pageloads. I never see the ads | 01:37 |
| jrwren | noscript is a huge reason I still use firefox and am not chrome only | 01:38 |
| snap-l | rick_h: ping | 11:09 |
| snap-l | Bookmarked http://www.businessinsider.com/tech-ceos-favorite-productivity-hacks-2013-8?op=1 | 11:10 |
| snap-l | BReadability shows this: https://bmark.us/bmark/readable/885acc8f0d9299 | 11:10 |
| snap-l | There's some images missing | 11:10 |
| snap-l | not a big deal, but wondering what happened. :) | 11:10 |
| snap-l | I should probably make an issue for this and post into #bookie instead. | 11:11 |
| snap-l | <- mea culpa | 11:11 |
| snap-l | MOved this to #bookie | 11:14 |
| rick_h | snap-l: so it's probably the logic around picking the body content. Notice that the ones with missing images are missing any <p> or <div> | 11:42 |
| rick_h | they're bullet lists | 11:42 |
| rick_h | more list content than 'wordy' content | 11:42 |
| rick_h | snap-l: bug like that is more about breadability and can be added as a bug there to try to improve the scoring/parsing of this type of content. | 11:43 |
| rick_h | https://github.com/mitechie/breadability/issues?state=open | 11:43 |
| snap-l | kk | 11:46 |
| snap-l | Filed it there. | 11:48 |
| rick_h | thanks | 11:49 |
| rick_h | thanks for finding a page we parse better than readability on lol | 11:49 |
| rick_h | I could spend a month just working on breadability | 11:49 |
| snap-l | Maybe that could be a sprint at some point? :) | 11:50 |
| rick_h | yea, I'm thinking of putting one together the 31st maybe | 11:51 |
| rick_h | I'm thinking of the test coverage one, but if anyone's interested in how readable parsing works I'd be happy to go through that. | 11:52 |
| snap-l | That one is more interesting for me, honestly. | 11:52 |
| rick_h | I find it kind of interseting to see the scoring log info go by and try to figure out how it thinks | 11:52 |
| snap-l | (The readability piece) | 11:52 |
| snap-l | Testing is for chumps. :) | 11:52 |
| rick_h | sudo pip install breadability && breadability -bd "http://www.businessinsider.com/tech-ceos-favorite-productivity-hacks-2013-8?op=1" | 11:53 |
| snap-l | (actually, I'm getting the testing religion) | 11:53 |
| snap-l | That's neat. :) | 11:55 |
| snap-l | Now how to work this into my workflow | 11:56 |
| snap-l | I may never need a bookmarking site again. ;) | 11:56 |
| rick_h | yea, with that flag it logs out each decision, how many points a node got, why it was being removed, etc. | 11:56 |
| rick_h | hah, instead ofa tmp file write it out as an email in your rss2inbox? Then have your bookmarks there as well | 11:56 |
| rick_h | if you want to tinker with this stuff can run you through it at CHC tonight | 11:57 |
| rick_h | it's a fun problem sometimes | 11:57 |
| snap-l | Yeah, I might give it a look-see | 12:15 |
| snap-l | Also: Packt is now part of the O'Reilly fold | 12:16 |
| snap-l | 50% off Packt books | 12:16 |
| snap-l | which makes them about reasonable | 12:16 |
| * snap-l picked up the LMMS book that he was eyeballing | 12:21 | |
| rick_h | orly? packt bought by oreilly? | 12:30 |
| brousch | So next year we need to turn Sunday morning at PyOhio into gaming time. Get some Munchkin going. | 12:30 |
| snap-l | rick_h: I think they're just distributing the books | 12:44 |
| snap-l | brousch: You're speaking my language. :) | 12:44 |
| snap-l | I brought Martian Dice just in case | 12:44 |
| snap-l | and much like the other games I brought to PyOhio, it went back home unplayed | 12:45 |
| brousch | I think we'd need a dedicated time slot for it | 12:46 |
| brousch | Sunday morning is obvious | 12:46 |
| snap-l | Yeah, but that means I'd have to wake up. :) | 12:47 |
| snap-l | And waking up is hard to do | 12:47 |
| brousch | I'll bang on your door. I was up at 6AM | 12:49 |
| snap-l | Well that was fun | 13:06 |
| snap-l | Networkon the desktop machine just went *poof* | 13:07 |
| snap-l | Having all sorts of hardware fun this morning | 13:42 |
| snap-l | hoping it's not related to my video card | 13:42 |
| rick_h | snap-l: hardware hates you man | 13:42 |
| snap-l | or rather hoping it is, and not that my motherboard is deciding it too hates me | 13:42 |
| snap-l | Yeah, this is becoming apparent. | 13:43 |
| brousch | I hate hardware. I long for the day when I can own a disposable screen and keyboard and do it all in the cloud | 13:43 |
| brousch | It is getting close | 13:43 |
| jrwren | that is silly | 13:44 |
| jrwren | that day is now. | 13:44 |
| jrwren | the problem is the screen is the most expensive part. | 13:44 |
| snap-l | brousch: And not that good | 13:44 |
| jrwren | I could do all my work on a BBB, but I need a KB and screen. | 13:44 |
| jrwren | and guess what??? the issue to which you responded will still happen. network will still drop on your cloud terminal. | 13:45 |
| brousch | Then the day has not arrived yet | 13:45 |
| snap-l | brousch: Then that day will never come | 13:45 |
| snap-l | Best find your rake and start digging in the sand because that's a more achievable goal | 13:45 |
| brousch | What is the goal of that? | 13:52 |
| snap-l | There is no goal, just to find inner peace through repetition | 13:53 |
| brousch | Chromebook is pretty close to my ideal | 13:54 |
| brousch | But not everything is a webapp yet | 13:54 |
| jrwren | you want to be subject to google eh? | 14:10 |
| snap-l | Praise be to Google | 14:11 |
| brousch | Indeed | 14:19 |
| brousch | jrwren: The concept of the Chromebook is pretty close to my ideal :P | 14:20 |
| ColonelPanic001 | :( | 14:25 |
| brousch | :-* | 14:26 |
| jrwren | zomg: http://geert.vanderkelen.org/mysql-connector-python-1-1-0a/ | 14:45 |
| jrwren | the fact that prepared statements just got in is INSANE | 14:45 |
| jrwren | I feel like this is 1996 | 14:45 |
| snap-l | jrwren: I'm not following why this is a big deal that they weren't implemented | 14:47 |
| rick_h | because prepared statements or bust says all the things for long long time | 14:49 |
| rick_h | it's like just now escaping data in templates by default | 14:49 |
| snap-l | Does this person work directly for Oracle? | 14:52 |
| snap-l | I'm getting the impression this wasn't a high priority item | 14:52 |
| snap-l | Honestly haven't been following the MySQL end of things so any of this is news. | 14:55 |
| rick_h | Blazeix: background on your chrome twitter post? | 16:03 |
| Blazeix | rick_h: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6165708 | 16:03 |
| Blazeix | and resulting www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/aug/07/google-chrome-password-security-flaw | 16:05 |
| Blazeix | "One security manager at a publishing company said: "The fact you can view the passwords means they are stored in reversible form which means that the dark coders out there will be writing a Trojan to steal that password store as we speak." | 16:05 |
| Blazeix | scary that someone called a 'security manager' would say that | 16:05 |
| rick_h | huh?! wtf did they think chrome was doing to auto enter your passwords into a site? | 16:07 |
| Blazeix | exactly! | 16:07 |
| Blazeix | the amount of stupidity being displayed is staggering. the chrome security lead is commenting in that hn thread, and I feel sorry for him | 16:07 |
| rick_h | ugh | 16:08 |
| greg-g | see! identi.ca is still the best social network | 16:08 |
| greg-g | I posted to craigslist, twitter, and identi.ca asking for a ride to Tahoe on Friday | 16:08 |
| greg-g | guess where i got a positive response | 16:08 |
| greg-g | (a ride, that is) | 16:08 |
| snap-l | greg-g: That's because people like you there. :) | 16:11 |
| greg-g | awww, I take that as a compliment instead of an underhanded poke (that people don't like me other places) ;) | 16:12 |
| snap-l | Well, it's both. :) | 16:15 |
| snap-l | You're a celeb on identi.ca, | 16:16 |
| snap-l | and on twitter there's a broader audience that can't necessarily help out | 16:16 |
| snap-l | and Craigslist is where creepy hitchiker-devourers lurk | 16:16 |
| rick_h | Blazeix: this is nuts. "As people have pointed out, you can inspect the password via web inspector etc. This is another, serious security flaw and one that I think the HTML WG ought to look into." | 16:18 |
| rick_h | it's in the html!!!!! of course you can!!! | 16:19 |
| Blazeix | yeah, i was raging hard | 16:19 |
| Blazeix | can't imagine what the chrome guys are doing | 16:19 |
| rick_h | "our users are stupid, remember when we were small and only tech-heads used us and filed useful bugs?" | 16:19 |
| rick_h | lol " I just checked what rquick said (Firefox 22 on Mac is Firefox->Preferences->Security->Saved Passwords-> Show Passwords) and there's all my passwords. Yikes!" | 16:23 |
| rick_h | "What Google has done is just bad practice. There is no legitimate reason for allowing all of a users' online passwords to be stored and retrieved in plain text." | 16:23 |
| rick_h | it's the freaking browser FEATURE that you have to OPT IN to!!! | 16:23 |
| greg-g | uh oh | 16:24 |
| * greg-g decides not to catch up on scrollback | 16:24 | |
| Blazeix | i'm glad to have a rage-buddy like rick_h. i couldn't get anyone at work to rage with me. they would recognize the stupidity, but not rage :) | 16:28 |
| rick_h | well, I mean...it's just *wrong* not even stupid | 16:29 |
| rick_h | "There is no legitimate reason for allowing all of a users' online passwords to be stored and retrieved in plain text. | 16:29 |
| rick_h | " | 16:29 |
| rick_h | that is just a lie | 16:29 |
| rick_h | not stupid | 16:29 |
| Blazeix | yeah, plus, it's not really stored in plain text. it's encrypted on disk | 16:30 |
| rick_h | and this article is so much FUD that it's edited up to correct for its lies | 16:31 |
| Blazeix | using OS-level encryption facilities. so if someone steals your harddrive, they don't have your password | 16:31 |
| rick_h | "in 2010 firefox...oh right...still does the SAME THING" | 16:31 |
| Blazeix | malware can steal it, but there's no protection against that | 16:31 |
| Blazeix | short of not saving passwords | 16:31 |
| rick_h | right, just don't use the feature | 16:32 |
| snap-l | reminds me of the people who ut 15 locks on their front door, and then get wide-eyed when they realize every one of their windows is an entry-point | 16:58 |
| snap-l | And if you just realized this, I'm so sorry. | 16:59 |
| greg-g | "luckily" I live in a city where all accessible windows are gated up | 17:00 |
| greg-g | :( | 17:00 |
| snap-l | greg-g: Didn't you realize you lived in a gated community? :) | 17:01 |
| greg-g | haha | 17:02 |
| rick_h | Blazeix: my sprint t-shirts just arrived and they're strangely applicable! http://uploads.mitechie.com/2013-gui-sprint.jpg | 17:03 |
| snap-l | heh | 17:03 |
| greg-g | I... don't ge tit | 17:07 |
| greg-g | s/ t/t / | 17:07 |
| rick_h | greg-g: the shirt? | 17:08 |
| greg-g | ya | 17:10 |
| rick_h | greg-g: so at the sprint one of the devs went talking about some project, and lack of test, but it was ok because it had a lot of users, and broken things were found pretty quick...and | 17:11 |
| greg-g | heh | 17:11 |
| rick_h | and basically I told him "sssh, I want to be friends..." | 17:11 |
| rick_h | and another guy broke out the phrase on the t-shirt and it because the theme :) | 17:11 |
| Blazeix | rick_h: haha, awesome! | 17:28 |
| jrwren | FF lets you put a master passwrod on | 17:29 |
| rick_h | jrwren: as an option | 17:29 |
| jrwren | so that the password are encrypted on disk and you enter a password when you start FF | 17:29 |
| jrwren | yes, chrome doesn't have that option. | 17:29 |
| rick_h | jrwren: if the issue is "users are too stupid to realize wtf is going on" | 17:29 |
| jrwren | so there is a sense that chrome does need a feature | 17:29 |
| rick_h | it's no different | 17:29 |
| jrwren | i can have a password on my chrome? | 17:29 |
| rick_h | except when it starts and you unlock it, you still walk away with your passwords exposed | 17:30 |
| rick_h | jrwren: yes, use lastpass | 17:30 |
| rick_h | care about your passwords | 17:30 |
| greg-g | redirecter! | 17:30 |
| jrwren | holy shit, that is not even close to compariable. exiting this conversation. | 17:30 |
| greg-g | jrwren wasn't defending anything ,just saying "hey, why can't I put a master password on my Chrome password manager, like both Fx and Lastpass do?" | 17:31 |
| rick_h | greg-g: because, as the chrome guys point out, it's a false sense of security | 17:31 |
| rick_h | greg-g: it doesnt' change the passwords on disk, it doesn't change the feature to view them in the browser, it doesn't change the ability for someone to grab your computer and look | 17:32 |
| rick_h | "I've got my passwords protected...so long as I walk away from my computer, without FF open, and don't give them long enough to copy the encyrpted files off the disk..." | 17:32 |
| greg-g | so, I guess ya'll don't know about the user studies that have been done about this | 17:33 |
| rick_h | any other time...I'm just as fubar as every other browser that has the password saving feature | 17:33 |
| greg-g | it isn't about 'encyrption omg nsa' | 17:33 |
| greg-g | it's about "I don't want my mom to log into my facebook" | 17:33 |
| rick_h | fine, then don't let your mom log into your computer or account | 17:33 |
| rick_h | or don't save the password | 17:33 |
| greg-g | a master password does that | 17:33 |
| greg-g | they're going to move to just a pin-code type thing soon, too, I believe | 17:34 |
| rick_h | www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/aug/07/google-chrome-password-security-flaw is not about a pin code to prevent mom from your facebook account | 17:34 |
| greg-g | again, don't bring it back to a flawed article that I'm not defending :) | 17:34 |
| rick_h | ok, so this new topic without any baggage from earilier events. A master password is good for Johnny because he can lock his mom out of his facebook? | 17:35 |
| greg-g | basically, but even that is too combersome for him (as the user studies showed), so users just leave it unsecure by default (chrome's default/only option), but given the user studies, Fx will provide a more simple way of saving/retrieving passwords using a pin | 17:36 |
| rick_h | ok, so chrome should follow FF's lead of plans to make things safer for Jonny's facebook. Carry on FF | 17:37 |
| Blazeix | jrwren: chrome's passwords are encrypted on disk | 17:38 |
| Blazeix | i know that's your main point, but just fyi | 17:38 |
| Blazeix | er, s/that's/that's not/ | 17:38 |
| jrwren | encrypted with what key? | 17:40 |
| Blazeix | platform specific, on windows http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa380261(v=vs.85).aspx | 17:41 |
| Blazeix | basically just prevents the case where someone steals your laptop | 17:41 |
| jrwren | oh lovely! I alwyas liked that MSFT api | 17:41 |
| greg-g | unless you don't have a password on your account and you just suspend, right? | 17:42 |
| jrwren | even then they are encrypted on disk, IIRC | 17:42 |
| jrwren | the ms api accounts for that | 17:42 |
| greg-g | sure, but I could just open your laptop, open Chrome, and done | 17:42 |
| jrwren | right | 17:42 |
| greg-g | so, how many of you ever seen non techies set a userpassword on their laptops? | 17:43 |
| greg-g | everyone I see has it autologin when they open their laptop lid | 17:43 |
| rick_h | heh, I make my wife use one :) | 17:43 |
| greg-g | rick_h: I haven't yet convinced carrie :/ | 17:43 |
| rick_h | but that's what I mean? If you don't care about the reste of your computer, why do you care about the chrome passwords? | 17:44 |
| greg-g | especially since she has her gmail always logged in... ugh | 17:44 |
| rick_h | there's nothing worse in there? | 17:44 |
| Blazeix | if they can't be bothered to set a password on their laptop, won't they be too lazy set a master browser password? | 17:44 |
| rick_h | greg-g: and what user, that auto logs in, will use a master passowrd on their browser? | 17:44 |
| rick_h | I guess I'd love to see that stufy | 17:44 |
| greg-g | just saying, the "encrypted on disk" thing isn't really all that much better | 17:44 |
| rick_h | study | 17:44 |
| greg-g | didn't say that, ya'll are putting words in my mouth | 17:45 |
| greg-g | those are two different use cases | 17:45 |
| rick_h | no, we're asking | 17:45 |
| greg-g | 1) stupid users who don't use passwords, so "encrypted on disk" doesn't mean shit | 17:45 |
| greg-g | 2) people who want to have security a little bit, please give them something | 17:45 |
| greg-g | there's other ones as well, but those are the two easiest to understand | 17:45 |
| brousch | I want effortless "it just works when it's me" and "it doesn't work when it's not me" | 17:47 |
| brousch | make it so | 17:47 |
| greg-g | :) | 17:47 |
| greg-g | isn't that the fingerprint reader idea? :) | 17:47 |
| _stink_ | have it ask for a depraved joke | 17:48 |
| _stink_ | that's the brousch test | 17:48 |
| greg-g | hahaha | 17:48 |
| Blazeix | for (1), they're hosed no matter what, there isn't a solution | 17:48 |
| greg-g | Blazeix: yep, which was only the point I was making :) | 17:48 |
| Blazeix | but "encrypted on disk" helps out those who have an account password | 17:49 |
| Blazeix | which i guess you're arguing is a minority, except maybe in a business setting | 17:49 |
| greg-g | right, so that's use case (3), which, I suppose, might be more common than 2 (masterpassword wanters) but no idea relatie to 1 | 17:49 |
| greg-g | yeah, business setting you'r eprobably right | 17:50 |
| rick_h | hmm, so amazon sent me a box of things I never ordered | 18:35 |
| rick_h | no receipt, box is in my name | 18:35 |
| rick_h | hmm, not really a "So amazon sent you extra crap" box in the help here | 18:38 |
| brousch | Someone in the amazon Warehouse loves you | 18:44 |
| rick_h | geeze, over $500 worth of stuff :/ | 18:44 |
| greg-g | anything good? | 18:44 |
| rick_h | only good thing is a JBL Charge | 18:44 |
| rick_h | http://www.amazon.com/JBL-Portable-Wireless-Bluetooth-Speaker/dp/B00BNIO4H8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1375901096&sr=8-1&keywords=jbl+charge | 18:45 |
| rick_h | then three targus usb3 -> desktop workstation devices | 18:45 |
| rick_h | http://www.amazon.com/Targus-Docking-Station-Ultrabooks-ACP70USZ/dp/B005YR1PV2/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1375901130&sr=8-2&keywords=targus+superspeed | 18:45 |
| rick_h | amazon, I've love to give you back your stuff...but I can only do 'select returns from your orders' and since I didn't order it...can't submit it | 18:46 |
| rick_h | ah, joy. To the help forums we go. | 18:50 |
| jrwren | greg-g: where does carrie hang out? I'd like to steal her laptop :) | 18:53 |
| greg-g | jrwren: it is currently in a cabin in Tahoe ;) | 18:54 |
| brousch | Sounds like the plot of a short story | 18:58 |
| snap-l | rick_h: Sheesh, they could have sent you better stuff | 19:12 |
| snap-l | I mean the speaker is cool, but the desktop workstations are pretty meh | 19:13 |
| brousch | Hitting fail in my python3.3 django project. No py3 for django-debug-toolbar and django-windows-tools | 19:32 |
| brousch | I should see if Pyramid is any better | 19:35 |
| snap-l | Yes, you should | 19:36 |
| brousch | I have a lot bigger learning curve with it, though. I have to look up things like how to start a project | 19:37 |
| brousch | Pyramid setup was nicer than I remembered. I also remember being overwhelmed by all of the files and dirs pcreate sets up, but now I see it's just stuff you end up manually creating in Django later | 20:28 |
| brousch | For an unopinionated framework, Pyramid sure includes a lot of different templates | 20:39 |
| brousch | Oh no! There's zope in my pip freeze! | 20:40 |
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