[11:42] they're bullet lists [11:42] more list content than 'wordy' content [11:43] snap-l: bug like that is more about breadability and can be added as a bug there to try to improve the scoring/parsing of this type of content. [11:43] https://github.com/mitechie/breadability/issues?state=open [11:46] kk [11:48] Filed it there. [11:49] thanks [11:49] thanks for finding a page we parse better than readability on lol [11:49] I could spend a month just working on breadability [11:50] Maybe that could be a sprint at some point? :) [11:51] yea, I'm thinking of putting one together the 31st maybe [11:52] I'm thinking of the test coverage one, but if anyone's interested in how readable parsing works I'd be happy to go through that. [11:52] That one is more interesting for me, honestly. [11:52] I find it kind of interseting to see the scoring log info go by and try to figure out how it thinks [11:52] (The readability piece) [11:52] Testing is for chumps. :) [11:53] sudo pip install breadability && breadability -bd "http://www.businessinsider.com/tech-ceos-favorite-productivity-hacks-2013-8?op=1" [11:53] (actually, I'm getting the testing religion) [11:55] That's neat. :) [11:56] Now how to work this into my workflow [11:56] I may never need a bookmarking site again. ;) [11:56] yea, with that flag it logs out each decision, how many points a node got, why it was being removed, etc. [11:56] hah, instead ofa tmp file write it out as an email in your rss2inbox? Then have your bookmarks there as well [11:57] if you want to tinker with this stuff can run you through it at CHC tonight [11:57] it's a fun problem sometimes [12:15] Yeah, I might give it a look-see [12:16] Also: Packt is now part of the O'Reilly fold [12:16] 50% off Packt books [12:16] which makes them about reasonable [12:21] * snap-l picked up the LMMS book that he was eyeballing [12:30] orly? packt bought by oreilly? [12:30] So next year we need to turn Sunday morning at PyOhio into gaming time. Get some Munchkin going. [12:44] rick_h: I think they're just distributing the books [12:44] brousch: You're speaking my language. :) [12:44] I brought Martian Dice just in case [12:45] and much like the other games I brought to PyOhio, it went back home unplayed [12:46] I think we'd need a dedicated time slot for it [12:46] Sunday morning is obvious [12:47] Yeah, but that means I'd have to wake up. :) [12:47] And waking up is hard to do [12:49] I'll bang on your door. I was up at 6AM [13:06] Well that was fun [13:07] Networkon the desktop machine just went *poof* [13:42] Having all sorts of hardware fun this morning [13:42] hoping it's not related to my video card [13:42] snap-l: hardware hates you man [13:42] or rather hoping it is, and not that my motherboard is deciding it too hates me [13:43] Yeah, this is becoming apparent. [13:43] I hate hardware. I long for the day when I can own a disposable screen and keyboard and do it all in the cloud [13:43] It is getting close [13:44] that is silly [13:44] that day is now. [13:44] the problem is the screen is the most expensive part. [13:44] brousch: And not that good [13:44] I could do all my work on a BBB, but I need a KB and screen. [13:45] and guess what??? the issue to which you responded will still happen. network will still drop on your cloud terminal. [13:45] Then the day has not arrived yet [13:45] brousch: Then that day will never come [13:45] Best find your rake and start digging in the sand because that's a more achievable goal [13:52] What is the goal of that? [13:53] There is no goal, just to find inner peace through repetition [13:54] Chromebook is pretty close to my ideal [13:54] But not everything is a webapp yet [14:10] you want to be subject to google eh? [14:11] Praise be to Google [14:19] Indeed [14:20] jrwren: The concept of the Chromebook is pretty close to my ideal :P [14:25] :( [14:26] :-* [14:45] zomg: http://geert.vanderkelen.org/mysql-connector-python-1-1-0a/ [14:45] the fact that prepared statements just got in is INSANE [14:45] I feel like this is 1996 [14:47] jrwren: I'm not following why this is a big deal that they weren't implemented [14:49] because prepared statements or bust says all the things for long long time [14:49] it's like just now escaping data in templates by default [14:52] Does this person work directly for Oracle? [14:52] I'm getting the impression this wasn't a high priority item [14:55] Honestly haven't been following the MySQL end of things so any of this is news. [16:03] Blazeix: background on your chrome twitter post? [16:03] rick_h: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6165708 [16:05] and resulting www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/aug/07/google-chrome-password-security-flaw [16:05] "One security manager at a publishing company said: "The fact you can view the passwords means they are stored in reversible form which means that the dark coders out there will be writing a Trojan to steal that password store as we speak." [16:05] scary that someone called a 'security manager' would say that [16:07] huh?! wtf did they think chrome was doing to auto enter your passwords into a site? [16:07] exactly! [16:07] the amount of stupidity being displayed is staggering. the chrome security lead is commenting in that hn thread, and I feel sorry for him [16:08] ugh [16:08] see! identi.ca is still the best social network [16:08] I posted to craigslist, twitter, and identi.ca asking for a ride to Tahoe on Friday [16:08] guess where i got a positive response [16:08] (a ride, that is) [16:11] greg-g: That's because people like you there. :) [16:12] awww, I take that as a compliment instead of an underhanded poke (that people don't like me other places) ;) [16:15] Well, it's both. :) [16:16] You're a celeb on identi.ca, [16:16] and on twitter there's a broader audience that can't necessarily help out [16:16] and Craigslist is where creepy hitchiker-devourers lurk [16:18] Blazeix: this is nuts. "As people have pointed out, you can inspect the password via web inspector etc. This is another, serious security flaw and one that I think the HTML WG ought to look into." [16:19] it's in the html!!!!! of course you can!!! [16:19] yeah, i was raging hard [16:19] can't imagine what the chrome guys are doing [16:19] "our users are stupid, remember when we were small and only tech-heads used us and filed useful bugs?" [16:23] lol " I just checked what rquick said (Firefox 22 on Mac is Firefox->Preferences->Security->Saved Passwords-> Show Passwords) and there's all my passwords. Yikes!" [16:23] "What Google has done is just bad practice. There is no legitimate reason for allowing all of a users' online passwords to be stored and retrieved in plain text." [16:23] it's the freaking browser FEATURE that you have to OPT IN to!!! [16:24] uh oh [16:24] * greg-g decides not to catch up on scrollback [16:28] i'm glad to have a rage-buddy like rick_h. i couldn't get anyone at work to rage with me. they would recognize the stupidity, but not rage :) [16:29] well, I mean...it's just *wrong* not even stupid [16:29] "There is no legitimate reason for allowing all of a users' online passwords to be stored and retrieved in plain text. [16:29] " [16:29] that is just a lie [16:29] not stupid [16:30] yeah, plus, it's not really stored in plain text. it's encrypted on disk [16:31] and this article is so much FUD that it's edited up to correct for its lies [16:31] using OS-level encryption facilities. so if someone steals your harddrive, they don't have your password [16:31] "in 2010 firefox...oh right...still does the SAME THING" [16:31] malware can steal it, but there's no protection against that [16:31] short of not saving passwords [16:32] right, just don't use the feature [16:58] reminds me of the people who ut 15 locks on their front door, and then get wide-eyed when they realize every one of their windows is an entry-point [16:59] And if you just realized this, I'm so sorry. [17:00] "luckily" I live in a city where all accessible windows are gated up [17:00] :( [17:01] greg-g: Didn't you realize you lived in a gated community? :) [17:02] haha [17:03] Blazeix: my sprint t-shirts just arrived and they're strangely applicable! http://uploads.mitechie.com/2013-gui-sprint.jpg [17:03] heh [17:07] I... don't ge tit [17:07] s/ t/t / [17:08] greg-g: the shirt? [17:10] ya [17:11] greg-g: so at the sprint one of the devs went talking about some project, and lack of test, but it was ok because it had a lot of users, and broken things were found pretty quick...and [17:11] heh [17:11] and basically I told him "sssh, I want to be friends..." [17:11] and another guy broke out the phrase on the t-shirt and it because the theme :) [17:28] rick_h: haha, awesome! [17:29] FF lets you put a master passwrod on [17:29] jrwren: as an option [17:29] so that the password are encrypted on disk and you enter a password when you start FF [17:29] yes, chrome doesn't have that option. [17:29] jrwren: if the issue is "users are too stupid to realize wtf is going on" [17:29] so there is a sense that chrome does need a feature [17:29] it's no different [17:29] i can have a password on my chrome? [17:30] except when it starts and you unlock it, you still walk away with your passwords exposed [17:30] jrwren: yes, use lastpass [17:30] care about your passwords [17:30] redirecter! [17:30] holy shit, that is not even close to compariable. exiting this conversation. [17:31] jrwren wasn't defending anything ,just saying "hey, why can't I put a master password on my Chrome password manager, like both Fx and Lastpass do?" [17:31] greg-g: because, as the chrome guys point out, it's a false sense of security [17:32] greg-g: it doesnt' change the passwords on disk, it doesn't change the feature to view them in the browser, it doesn't change the ability for someone to grab your computer and look [17:32] "I've got my passwords protected...so long as I walk away from my computer, without FF open, and don't give them long enough to copy the encyrpted files off the disk..." [17:33] so, I guess ya'll don't know about the user studies that have been done about this [17:33] any other time...I'm just as fubar as every other browser that has the password saving feature [17:33] it isn't about 'encyrption omg nsa' [17:33] it's about "I don't want my mom to log into my facebook" [17:33] fine, then don't let your mom log into your computer or account [17:33] or don't save the password [17:33] a master password does that [17:34] they're going to move to just a pin-code type thing soon, too, I believe [17:34] www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/aug/07/google-chrome-password-security-flaw is not about a pin code to prevent mom from your facebook account [17:34] again, don't bring it back to a flawed article that I'm not defending :) [17:35] ok, so this new topic without any baggage from earilier events. A master password is good for Johnny because he can lock his mom out of his facebook? [17:36] basically, but even that is too combersome for him (as the user studies showed), so users just leave it unsecure by default (chrome's default/only option), but given the user studies, Fx will provide a more simple way of saving/retrieving passwords using a pin [17:37] ok, so chrome should follow FF's lead of plans to make things safer for Jonny's facebook. Carry on FF [17:38] jrwren: chrome's passwords are encrypted on disk [17:38] i know that's your main point, but just fyi [17:38] er, s/that's/that's not/ [17:40] encrypted with what key? [17:41] platform specific, on windows http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa380261(v=vs.85).aspx [17:41] basically just prevents the case where someone steals your laptop [17:41] oh lovely! I alwyas liked that MSFT api [17:42] unless you don't have a password on your account and you just suspend, right? [17:42] even then they are encrypted on disk, IIRC [17:42] the ms api accounts for that [17:42] sure, but I could just open your laptop, open Chrome, and done [17:42] right [17:43] so, how many of you ever seen non techies set a userpassword on their laptops? [17:43] everyone I see has it autologin when they open their laptop lid [17:43] heh, I make my wife use one :) [17:43] rick_h: I haven't yet convinced carrie :/ [17:44] but that's what I mean? If you don't care about the reste of your computer, why do you care about the chrome passwords? [17:44] especially since she has her gmail always logged in... ugh [17:44] there's nothing worse in there? [17:44] if they can't be bothered to set a password on their laptop, won't they be too lazy set a master browser password? [17:44] greg-g: and what user, that auto logs in, will use a master passowrd on their browser? [17:44] I guess I'd love to see that stufy [17:44] just saying, the "encrypted on disk" thing isn't really all that much better [17:44] study [17:45] didn't say that, ya'll are putting words in my mouth [17:45] those are two different use cases [17:45] no, we're asking [17:45] 1) stupid users who don't use passwords, so "encrypted on disk" doesn't mean shit [17:45] 2) people who want to have security a little bit, please give them something [17:45] there's other ones as well, but those are the two easiest to understand [17:47] I want effortless "it just works when it's me" and "it doesn't work when it's not me" [17:47] make it so [17:47] :) [17:47] isn't that the fingerprint reader idea? :) [17:48] <_stink_> have it ask for a depraved joke [17:48] <_stink_> that's the brousch test [17:48] hahaha [17:48] for (1), they're hosed no matter what, there isn't a solution [17:48] Blazeix: yep, which was only the point I was making :) [17:49] but "encrypted on disk" helps out those who have an account password [17:49] which i guess you're arguing is a minority, except maybe in a business setting [17:49] right, so that's use case (3), which, I suppose, might be more common than 2 (masterpassword wanters) but no idea relatie to 1 [17:50] yeah, business setting you'r eprobably right [18:35] hmm, so amazon sent me a box of things I never ordered [18:35] no receipt, box is in my name [18:38] hmm, not really a "So amazon sent you extra crap" box in the help here [18:44] Someone in the amazon Warehouse loves you [18:44] geeze, over $500 worth of stuff :/ [18:44] anything good? [18:44] only good thing is a JBL Charge [18:45] http://www.amazon.com/JBL-Portable-Wireless-Bluetooth-Speaker/dp/B00BNIO4H8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1375901096&sr=8-1&keywords=jbl+charge [18:45] then three targus usb3 -> desktop workstation devices [18:45] http://www.amazon.com/Targus-Docking-Station-Ultrabooks-ACP70USZ/dp/B005YR1PV2/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1375901130&sr=8-2&keywords=targus+superspeed [18:46] amazon, I've love to give you back your stuff...but I can only do 'select returns from your orders' and since I didn't order it...can't submit it [18:50] ah, joy. To the help forums we go. [18:53] greg-g: where does carrie hang out? I'd like to steal her laptop :) [18:54] jrwren: it is currently in a cabin in Tahoe ;) [18:58] Sounds like the plot of a short story [19:12] rick_h: Sheesh, they could have sent you better stuff [19:13] I mean the speaker is cool, but the desktop workstations are pretty meh [19:32] Hitting fail in my python3.3 django project. No py3 for django-debug-toolbar and django-windows-tools [19:35] I should see if Pyramid is any better [19:36] Yes, you should [19:37] I have a lot bigger learning curve with it, though. I have to look up things like how to start a project [20:28] Pyramid setup was nicer than I remembered. I also remember being overwhelmed by all of the files and dirs pcreate sets up, but now I see it's just stuff you end up manually creating in Django later [20:39] For an unopinionated framework, Pyramid sure includes a lot of different templates [20:40] Oh no! There's zope in my pip freeze!