[00:51] <micahg> OvenWerks: now is good :)
[02:00] <OvenWerks> micahg: ok.
[02:08] <OvenWerks> micahg: did I miss you?
[02:13] <micahg> no
[02:16] <OvenWerks> ok
[02:40] <holstein> !list
[02:41] <holstein> i have someone in PM asking me how to search users for files ;)
[02:41] <holstein> i should have /q'd the bot..
[07:05] <cub> OvenWerks, I'm dropping the copyright thing as per zequence's latest mail.
[07:48] <zequence> cub: you're welcome to work at it. I'd be happy to assist
[07:48] <zequence> gotta go. bbl
[07:49] <cub> I'd like to, but would probably take a little longer as I need to learn what to do. 
[07:50] <zequence> cub: This would be a good start https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/SetupDeveloperEnvironment
[07:52] <cub> yes I have those set up, except for git.
[08:10] <smartboyhw> zequence, let others to try:P
[08:11] <cub> Do or do not. There is no try. ;)
[08:11] <smartboyhw> cub, well, try:P
[08:11] <smartboyhw> This is your first attempt, after all
[08:13] <smartboyhw> Hey ttoine :)
[08:16] <ttoine> salut
[08:16] <ttoine> hum
[08:16] <ttoine> hello smartboyhw 
[08:17] <smartboyhw> :_
[08:17] <smartboyhw> ;)
[08:34] <smartboyhw> cub, which package are you going to help with?
[08:37] <cub> I don't know yet. I need to read up on the debian copyright page first, which won't happen until lunchtime in a couple of hours since I'm back at work
[08:54] <zequence> ttoine: hi
[08:55] <zequence> ttoine: I got the t-shirt. Looks very good. Going to get the cup soon
[08:55] <zequence> ttoine: The new cup you did, I feel the CoF is too low. Is it not possible to center it?
[08:56] <zequence> ttoine: Also, I think it would be good (as you probably read from a previous quote) if we offered one cheaper alternative for the t-shirts
[08:57] <zequence> About sizes: I got the smallest one, medium. And though I'm skinny, it would seem there are smaller people around than me (180cm), but you said there are no smaller sizes for that model?
[09:01] <zequence> cub: Do you have resources for learning Debian packaging?
[09:01] <zequence> cub: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/
[09:01] <zequence> you can read about the files there
[09:01] <zequence> Also this http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/
[09:02] <zequence> There's https://wiki.debian.org/Packaging
[09:02] <zequence> ..which includes previous links
[09:05] <cub> zequence, I got some of the links from smartboyhw and OvenWerks  yesterday. I have not had a chance to read through them all yet though
[09:07] <zequence> cub: Since you're just focusing on a few details, it shouldn't be much work learning about it. Don't know about possible problems in our copyright files though, but I'm sure it's not much of a problem
[09:07] <cub> yeah, I'm just going to look at the copyright to start out with
[09:11] <ttoine> zequence, it is actually centered automatically on the printing zone. I will try to make it manually
[09:12] <ttoine> zequence, yes, for the organic cotton shirt, and most of male shirt, the smallest is M
[09:12] <ttoine> I will see if I can do a cheap one, with basic shirt quality
[09:13] <ttoine> by the way, it is good to have your feedback that the shirt you get is good stuff. How the printing looks like ?
[09:22] <zequence> ttoine: The printing is very good. I recognize this modern printing quality. I have t-shirts my friend had made with the same style of printing, and it is quite durable
[09:24] <smartboyhw> zequence, how do you suppose we can do all testcases mentioned in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+bugs?field.tag=ubuntu-studio ?
[09:24] <smartboyhw> 57 oh god
[09:25] <knome> smartboyhw, how do you think xubuntu did all the testcases?
[09:25] <knome> smartboyhw, call for testcase writers.
[09:25] <ttoine> zequence, this is digital printing, not serigraphy like traditional printed shirt in big quantities. Glad to know this is fine too
[09:26] <smartboyhw> knome, I know, but how to ask:P
[09:26] <smartboyhw> Since Xubuntu got more testers than us
[09:26] <knome> smartboyhw, send an email to your mailing lists?
[09:26] <knome> that's a false assumption
[09:26] <smartboyhw> knome, that's a true assumption.
[09:26] <ttoine> zequence, would you have a picture of the shirt, so maybe we can put an article about the shop on the blog ?
[09:26] <knome> besides, the testcase writers aren't necessarily testers
[09:27] <smartboyhw> knome, ok...
[09:28] <smartboyhw> zequence, can you write the email to the mailing list?
[09:28] <zequence> ttoine: Yes, it would be good to blog about it. We should have articles on all our sites, and I will blog about it too myself
[09:28] <zequence> smartboyhw: Yes. Been very busy lately
[09:28] <zequence> smartboyhw: The bug reports have descriptions on how to do them
[09:28] <smartboyhw> zequence, OK:0
[09:28] <zequence> I was actually not aware of these bugs before
[09:28] <zequence> very good they exist
[09:28] <smartboyhw> zequence, yeah sure:)
[09:29] <zequence> we should form a simple routine on how to deal with them in our development cykle
[09:29] <zequence> cycle*
[09:29] <zequence> I'll add a page about it on our wiki under testing
[09:29] <zequence> and then write a mail about it on the list
[09:31] <zequence> knome: How do you deal with these test cases?
[09:31] <knome> zequence, in what sense?
[09:31] <zequence> Ah, sorry I just read what you wrote
[09:31] <smartboyhw> Um, we put it in packages.qa.ubuntu.com
[09:31] <knome> :)
[09:31] <zequence> so, each application needs its own testcase
[09:31] <knome> yup
[09:31] <smartboyhw> zequence, yes.
[09:33] <zequence> I think we should focus on the most important applications. It sometimes happens a package is missing a build dependency, and then a whole feature is not functional
[09:33] <zequence> the people who write the tests need to know what to look for
[09:33] <zequence> ..functionality wise for each application
[09:34] <zequence> smartboyhw: Well, there you have it, thanks to knome's advice :)
[09:35] <knome> np. and feel free to ask again (though i will be mostly gone before mon)
[09:35] <zequence> knome: No one in Xubuntu team going to debconf?
[09:36] <knome> i don't think so
[09:36] <smartboyhw> zequence, go and learn a lot:0
[09:36] <smartboyhw> Should be :) sorry:P
[09:47] <smartboyhw> zequence, the power of smartphones: http://smartboyhwubuntu.wordpress.com/2013/08/07/ubuntu-edge-target-too-high-but-a-phone-that-one-will-want/
[09:47] <smartboyhw> Actually, phablets;P
[09:52] <zequence> pc-phablet
[09:52] <smartboyhw> zequence, yeah
[09:52] <smartboyhw> zequence, I mean, the bottom part is the key of my blog post:p
[09:53] <zequence> Looks like they will have trouble reaching their goal, but maybe they have a few aces in their pocket, who knows
[09:53] <zequence> just got the mug from the post. opening the package now
[09:54] <knome> zequence, i was thinking maybe mark just pops in on the last day.
[09:55] <zequence> knome: That was my thought as well :)
[09:55] <zequence> those phones will need to be sold nevertheless, and I'm sure they will be
[09:56] <knome> well if they have them
[09:56] <ttoine> zequence, I took some time to fix the mug and create a basic and cheap t-shirt. I added description to the products, too.
[09:56] <zequence> ttoine: Just took a look at the mug
[09:56] <zequence> ttoine: The CoF doesn't look round, more like an egg :P
[09:56] <cub> zequence, most important, how much coffee can the mug contain?
[09:57] <ttoine> zequence, this is the rendering. don't forget that the mug is not flat
[09:57] <zequence> not really an egg, but not perfectly round
[09:57] <ttoine> oh, you mean the true mug ? you get it ?
[09:57] <zequence> ttoine: Maybe we should make it wider. Perhaps it is common to do that for mugs?
[09:57] <zequence> ttoine: Yes, I have the mug in my hand right now
[09:57] <ttoine> great
[09:58] <zequence> let me measure
[09:58] <ttoine> I think there may be a problem with the rendering of spreadshirt for non flat products like the mug
[09:58] <cub> I have a Starbucks mug and their logo look a bit egg-shaped too
[10:00] <ttoine> maybe it is just a visual impression
[10:00] <zequence> The measurements are correct. About 6cm across in any direction, but, it looks just a little off to the eye
[10:00] <ttoine> because it is not flat
[10:00] <cub> exactly
[10:00] <ttoine> zequence, is the printing good ?
[10:01] <cub> I just sketched the starbucks mug logo to a paper…and when flat it looks normal. :D
[10:01] <knome> re: rendering logos: i would probably just let it render a bit weird than trying to modify the original art; it's both really hard to get it absolutely right and it will look weird if somebody starts thinking about it
[10:01] <cub> it would also only look right when looked at the exact angle
[10:01] <cub> which you don't do that often
[10:02] <zequence> ttoine: It's a little bit grey, but it looks good. The placement of the text is not perfect, it's a little tilted. Not something you think about without studying it in details
[10:02] <zequence> It looks a bit strange from any angle right now I think
[10:02] <cub> zequence, which mug did you buy?
[10:02] <zequence> cub: the one where both text and CoF are on the same side
[10:03] <zequence> the other mug was created afterwards
[10:03] <cub> how much was the delivery costs?
[10:04] <zequence> cub: About 40-50kr I think
[10:05] <cub> great. I'll put in an order later today for a couple of shirts and the other mug then.
[10:09] <ttoine> zequence, I finally found where to import vectorial graphism. But I will have to re export and redo the products. By the way, it means we may be able to make to nice embrodey
[10:09] <ttoine> embrodery
[10:11] <cub> hmm the prices just went up?
[10:11] <cub> €20.10 for the shirt now. :D
[10:12] <ttoine> cub, the prices didn't change at all
[10:12] <cub> wasn't' it €20 before?
[10:12] <ttoine> cub, I created a very cheap and basic shirt
[10:12] <ttoine> was 20,10
[10:12] <cub> aha
[10:17] <ttoine> I change for ubuntustudio.spreadshirt.net
[10:17] <ttoine> instead of .fr
[10:18] <zequence> ttoine: Ah, yes. That makes it seem more international
[10:22] <cub> ttoine, does that change where the items actually ship from?
[10:23] <ttoine> cub, i don't think so
[10:23] <cub> it would make quite a difference if it was shipped outside of the EU when buying from Sweden.
[10:30] <ttoine> cub, why ??
[10:31] <cub> it will land in customs and you get an extra customs fee plus additional taxes upon
[10:32] <cub> I never buy outside of the EU anymore because it makes deliveries take much longer and more expensive
[10:34] <cub> "(1) For customers ordering from EU states, the prices as given are the gross prices and include the statutory incidental taxes, in particular Value Added Tax." So it seems it's shipped from the EU, most likely Germany
[10:34] <ttoine> certainly
[11:00] <zequence> ttoine: This is the new version of the text logo http://www.ubuntustudio.mousike.me/wp-content/themes/ubuntustudio-wp-devel/img/us-logo.png
[11:00] <zequence> ttoine: white, so you don't see it until you download
[11:00] <zequence> ttoine: We will change all our sites to have that later
[11:00] <zequence> ttoine: So, you could change it for the webshop as well already
[11:01] <zequence> You can see it in action here http://www.ubuntustudio.mousike.me/
[11:59] <ttoine> zequence, you must see with madeinkobaia to have a version on dark background. It is hard to use a white logo on white paper, for example
[14:21] <zequence> ttoine: The background needs to be dark for that logo, or the color of the logo needs to be changed
[14:21] <zequence> ttoine: The default is white color for the text. I don't see any reason for us to change that
[14:22] <zequence> ttoine: How about design for the website? What can you do? html?
[14:22] <smartboyhw> css:P
[14:54] <ttoine> zequence, just that sometime, we might use the logo on websites or other places/media where the background is white
[14:55] <ttoine> so we should have a version for this case
[14:55] <ttoine> it is just my experience about communication stuff
[21:24] <TheDrums> "<zeq|uence> GNUdru: We don't have our own DE, so it's not really up to us"   As far as I know, you have your own seed file, so you can run Xfce on xMir or X.org, just may not be in your favor to since you basically build atop Xubuntu.
[23:12] <OvenWerks> TheDrums: That was my thought too. With the user base we are serving X.org looks like the proper choice right now. (my opinion, not ubuntustudio's) Stability is prority one.
[23:13] <OvenWerks> Music software is still moving fast enough (xfce too for that matter) to make it worth keeping non-LTS releases stable.
[23:13] <OvenWerks> Still it is nice to be able to deflect the question :)
[23:15] <OvenWerks> Personally, not sure about zequence, I feel we need to be a little bit more conservative on this question.
[23:17] <OvenWerks> I think 14.10 might be a good time to look at MIR. That skips both xMIR and the first release of MIR.
[23:18] <TheDrums> I'm with you as well, I'd prefer we stick with Xorg for this release and 14.04 as it's an LTS, then go with the testing platform since by then it'll be more mature, and generally right after a LTS is the time to do crazy stunts.
[23:18] <OvenWerks> It also avoids any FUD problems. We are thankful for all the work Xubuntu is doing testing things.
[23:19] <OvenWerks> If we go for MIR, I want it to already be a solid platform
[23:20] <TheDrums> I quite agree.  I could spin up a XMir ubuntustudio image, but I personally wouldn't see the point.
[23:20] <OvenWerks> Actually, we have the stuff now to install studio direct on an xubuntu mir iso :)
[23:21] <OvenWerks> Our menu and metas have an installer for other flavours.
[23:23] <OvenWerks> Its personal PPAs now, but waiting for micahg to upload.
[23:26] <OvenWerks> TheDrums: Speaking of which, what is the link to the xubuntu xMir ISO? I should try it out.
[23:27] <TheDrums> http://vanir.unit193.tk/mir/
[23:27] <OvenWerks> Thank you.
[23:27] <TheDrums> Sure.
[23:28] <OvenWerks> I have a spare partition... I'll try it as is first and then drop in the lowlatency kernel
[23:28] <OvenWerks> then our workflow apps
[23:28] <TheDrums> That ISO is based on the r898 packages.
[23:29] <OvenWerks> r898 doesn't have meaning to me.
[23:38] <micahg> OvenWerks: can you file a needs packaging bug for the -installer?
[23:38] <micahg> I'll poke someone to review tonight, it looks good from my end
[23:39] <OvenWerks> micahg: ok.anyone I should address it to?
[23:39] <micahg> nope
[23:39] <micahg> feel free to subscribe me
[23:40] <OvenWerks> Will do.
[23:42] <micahg> thanks
[23:46] <OvenWerks> micahg: which one of your addresses should I drop it on?
[23:47] <OvenWerks> never mind bug #1209414 
[23:47] <OvenWerks> I sent it to the one that has micahg