[00:00] <Azelphur> ?
[00:00] <neuro> yeah, i've no idea, good luck!
[00:01] <Azelphur> hehe
[00:05] <neuro> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/neuros-show
[00:08] <Azelphur> neuro: I see a ceiling?
[00:10] <Azelphur> now I see an IRC
[00:10] <Azelphur> :P
[00:10] <Azelphur> YOU GIVE THAT WINDOWS THE PEACE SYMBOL
[00:10] <neuro> ha
[00:10] <Azelphur> ustream is fun, eh ;)
[00:11] <neuro> meh
[06:31] <MooDoo> hello all
[06:53] <MartijnVdS> \o
[08:47] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[08:47] <MartijnVdS> hi brobostigon
[08:47] <brobostigon> morning MartijnVdS
[08:47] <MooDoo> morning morning
[08:48] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[08:48] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:50] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Happiness Happens Day! :-D
[08:50] <bigcalm> That's nice
[08:50] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: does it, though?
[08:50] <JamesTait> MartijnVdS, it does!
[08:50] <MartijnVdS> lies!
[08:50] <JamesTait> You know it to be true!
[08:51] <MartijnVdS> not often
[08:51] <JamesTait> My happiness this morning happened when I got a fly-past from a brand new Boeing 787 Dreamliner and escort.
[08:52] <JamesTait> It was quickly followed by annoyance that I hadn't known about it in advance and got my camera ready - but for a brief moment there, happiness definitely happened!
[08:53] <JamesTait> http://www.thisisderbyshire.co.uk/Rolls-Royce-Dreamliner-flypast/story-19629750-detail/story.html#axzz2bMkkbIqR
[08:55] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: cool :)
[08:57] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: One of the approaches to Schiphol passes over motorway between my home and work: http://goo.gl/maps/XVtA6
[08:58] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: (and if I take the train, I pass Schiphol on the other side, passing the approaches to 18R and 18C)
[08:58] <JamesTait> MartijnVdS, :-D
[09:03] <JamesTait> MartijnVdS, there's a video now: http://www.thisisderbyshire.co.uk/VIDEO-British-Airways-Dreamliner-perform-fly-past/story-19625884-detail/story.html#axzz2bMkkbIqR
[09:03] <JamesTait> And I managed to snag a couple of photos as they were flying off back home.
[09:07] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: cool
[09:25] <arc__> hi how do i get back into ubuntu after installing XP
[09:25] <MartijnVdS> arc__: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[09:25] <arc__> ok i will have a look
[09:28] <arc__> looks like i will be using boot-repair then
[09:40] <arc__> are there any good torrent clients on ubuntu 12.04
[09:43] <MartijnVdS> !piracy
[09:43] <MartijnVdS> arc__: but Ubuntu comes with "Transmission" by default, so you can download other Linux ISOs easily
[09:43] <arc__> i haven't checked but can you get utorrent
[09:44] <MartijnVdS> arc__: I have no idea, transmission works great though
[09:44] <arc__> ok cool
[09:44] <MartijnVdS> You can even get a web interface for it, so you can control it remotely
[09:46] <arc__> it ask where the helper program is for transmision
[09:46] <MartijnVdS> arc__: what do you mean?
[09:46] <MartijnVdS> just click on the .torrent file (or open a magnet link), and transmission will open
[09:46] <arc__> firefox open with
[09:46] <MartijnVdS> maybe it's not installed, in that case, install it through the software center
[09:47] <arc__> it i have it open
[09:48] <arc__> ok i have found a way
[09:54] <directhex> firefox has no useful default open withs right now, because firefox is dumb
[09:54] <directhex> in the general case, open with /usr/bin.xdg-open
[09:54] <directhex> /usr/bin/xdg-open
[09:55] <directhex> this uses the default app on the system, or the one you set
[10:15] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:15] <davmor2> bigcalm: what time did you get home in the end?
[10:19] <bigcalm> davmor2: midnight
[10:19] <bigcalm> davmor2: bit tired today
[10:19] <davmor2> oh 10 minutes before the rest of us left the pub then :D
[10:35] <arc__> does anyone know how to make utorrent faster in ubuntu
[10:38] <SuperMatt> don't use utorrent?
[10:38] <SuperMatt> Transmission is very good
[10:38] <shauno> give your isp moar moneys
[10:38] <SuperMatt> is there even a utorrent for linux?
[10:39] <neuro> yup
[10:39] <neuro> http://www.utorrent.com/downloads/linux
[10:42] <shauno> half the time, the sensible answer to that one is simply patience.  torrents 'warm up' as they discover more peers
[10:42] <SuperMatt> indeed
[10:43] <SuperMatt> I've had torrents which take longers to find the metadata then it actually took them to download
[10:43] <SuperMatt> -s
[10:43] <neuro> depends on the source, really
[10:43] <SuperMatt> sure
[10:43] <neuro> and how popular the torrent is
[10:43] <neuro> i've had *cough* certain torrents warm up within about 30 seconds to full pace
[10:43] <SuperMatt> and finish downloading in 15 ;)
[10:44] <neuro> ... not really ;)
[10:45] <neuro> $ du -sch .
[10:45] <neuro>  73G	.
[10:45] <davmor2> neuro: I'm assuming the cough is a fedora iso rather than an Ubuntu one right :D
[10:45] <neuro> right, right
[10:45] <neuro> 73G in one folder/torrent
[10:45] <neuro> no idea what it is
[10:45] <neuro> it just appeared one day
[10:45] <neuro> *cough*tng*cough*s1*cough*
[10:46] <neuro> i really should stop smoking
[10:46] <neuro> s'making me cough
[10:46] <davmor2> neuro: the ubuntu and fedora cd repositories :D  You a mirroring service right
[10:46] <neuro> yyyyyyyyyyyyes?
[10:47] <arc__> I use utorrent
[10:47] <arc__> why is utorrent so bad
[10:48] <neuro> who said it's bad?
[10:48] <arc__> SuperMatt said not to use it
[10:48] <neuro> it was a glib retort
[10:48] <arc__> i assumed it was bad
[10:50] <neuro> i'd suggest talking to the utorrent community, they will know more about what you need to look at, e.g. port forwarding, optimal configuration, etc
[10:50] <arc__> ok what is the irc channel
[10:50] <MartijnVdS> Why use utorrent if the default (transmission) works fine?
[10:50] <neuro> irc channel?
[10:51] <neuro> i dunno :)
[10:51] <arc__> I have utorrent when i was on Xp and it has been reliable
[10:51] <neuro> i have office 2013 on win7 and it has been reliable, doesn't mean it'll work all that well on ubuntu
[10:51] <arc__> you know like /join #*******
[10:51] <neuro> *facepalm*
[10:51] <neuro> i know what an irc channel is
[10:51] <arc__> just checking
[10:51] <neuro> i was using irc when you were but a twinkle in your daddy's eye
[10:51] <arc__> :)
[10:51] <neuro> literally
[10:52] <SuperMatt> arc__: I had no idea there was a linux version of utorrent. My only experience with it was running it under wine
[10:52] <dvrr> Hiiii
[10:52] <neuro> SuperMatt: yeah seems there's a "server", probably like transmission-daemon
[10:52] <arc__> SuperMatt: that is what i am doing
[10:52] <neuro> oh wait, you're running the windows build under wine?
[10:52] <SuperMatt> right, that could be an issue.
[10:53] <SuperMatt> if there is a native version, always go with that
[10:53] <neuro> indeedio
[10:53] <arc__> why ?
[10:53] <SuperMatt> because the wine version has to jump through hoops, etc, to work
[10:53] <SuperMatt> native just works
[10:53] <arc__> I don't want to do a radomly hard linux install of a program (complicated)
[10:54] <neuro> if you want to go 150MPH, do you buy the Ferrari California, or do you buy the fibreglass kit version to put on top of a Ford Mondeo chassis?
[10:54] <arc__> what ?
[10:54] <SuperMatt> installing linux software ins't too difficult these days
[10:54] <neuro> never mind, just run native when you can, like SuperMatt says
[10:55] <SuperMatt> seems a bit weird that you think installing in wine is easier than installing natively
[10:55] <neuro> it's because it has a setup.exe ;)
[10:55] <SuperMatt> well if there's a .deb version, that's *even easier* to install
[10:56] <arc__> it's a .tar.gz
[10:56] <davmor2> neuro: Let me help you there old timer, irc is what you're talking on now :P
[10:56] <SuperMatt> ah, the liunx version of utorrent is headless
[10:56] <SuperMatt> just use transmission then
[10:56] <neuro> davmor2: WHAT'S THAT, SONNY? I CAN'T UNDERSTAND YOUR NEW FANGLED TALK
[10:56] <SuperMatt> I'm having to look this up on my phone cos work blocks this kind of stuff
[10:56] <neuro> hehe
[10:56] <neuro> yeah, it's headless like transmission-daemon
[10:56] <arc__> i could utorrent is only 30%
[10:56] <SuperMatt> arc__: just because it's a tar.gz, doesn't make it difficult
[10:57] <arc__> yeah but ?
[10:57] <SuperMatt> I'm just checking out more details
[10:57] <SuperMatt> very slowly
[10:57] <neuro> gotta learn this shiz yo
[10:57] <SuperMatt> on my phone
[10:57] <SuperMatt> indeed
[10:57] <davmor2> SuperMatt: haha
[10:57] <arc__> i will just transmison
[10:57] <SuperMatt> :)
[10:57] <SuperMatt> it's installed by default
[10:58] <neuro> seems utorrent for linux is actually built *for* ubuntu
[10:58] <neuro> with an older debian build
[10:58] <davmor2> arc__: if you click on a torrent it will open transmission by default
[10:58] <SuperMatt> don't know why my phone is going so slowly
[10:58] <arc__> yeah that is what i'm doing now
[10:58] <neuro> problem with it is that it's old
[10:58] <SuperMatt> elinks time
[10:58] <neuro> doesn't look like they're that interested in it
[10:59] <neuro> whereas transmission is still constantly being developed and has a strong history on linux
[10:59] <arc__> ok
[10:59]  * mgdm listens to Transmission
[11:00] <neuro> NOT THAT ONE
[11:00] <arc__> Yay only 4hours remaining
[11:01] <mgdm> ♫♪ Dance dance dance dance dance to the radio
[11:01] <neuro> i'm thinking of setting up a website to answer the questions that keep getting posed on the front page of bbc news
[11:02] <neuro> "Is there any evidence slimming clubs work?" No.
[11:02] <neuro> "How did the Netherlands become a cycling utopia?" Because it's flat.
[11:02] <arc__> lol
[11:02] <neuro> "Have pub beer gardens now become smoking gardens?" No.
[11:02] <MartijnVdS> sounds more like a tumblr
[11:03] <neuro> yeah
[11:03] <neuro> it does actually
[11:03] <dwatkins> neuro: there is evidence that slimming works, initially, but that's mainly due to the reduction in carbohydrates - see /r/keto 's FAQ
[11:03] <neuro> dwatkins: you seem to miss the intended frivolity of the answers
[11:04] <dwatkins> hehe
[11:04] <neuro> :)
[11:04] <dwatkins> it's the BBC news site, I don't expect proper journalism anymore, sadly.
[11:04] <arc__> Make your own news site
[11:04] <dwatkins> my one-line reply was probably better researched than anything they might have written about slimming.
[11:04] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: it's better than the tabloids though
[11:05] <dwatkins> arc__: I already have one, it's called reddit.
[11:05] <neuro> hee
[11:05] <dwatkins> I'm often more interested in reading the comments, seeing as they're often both for and against a particular point of view and there's generally some good discussion on there.
[11:05] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: also, lots of bad discussion
[11:06] <neuro> i actively try to avoid comments now
[11:06] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: agreed
[11:06] <neuro> they seem to be the breeding ground for morons
[11:06] <SuperMatt> but if you avoid comments, people will be wrong about something and continue to think they're right... FOREVER
[11:06] <dwatkins> it must be lunchtime, back later
[11:06] <arc__> Indian food time
[11:06] <neuro> youtube and the daily mail are especially bad
[11:07] <neuro> i've added *.dailymail.co.uk to adblock so that i can't even click on a daily mail link anymore
[11:07] <SuperMatt> and slashdot
[11:07] <SuperMatt> don't forget slashdot
[11:07] <neuro> i haven't read slashdot in more than a glancing manner for years unfortunately
[11:07] <SuperMatt> s/un//
[11:07] <mgdm> Whatever you do: don't read the comments
[11:08] <Seeker`> or the articles
[11:08] <SuperMatt> in fact, we should all stop reading all together
[11:08] <SuperMatt> it's more hassle than it's worth
[11:09] <SuperMatt> no one shold habe an opinion on anything
[11:09] <neuro> interesting ... the irish edition of the Sun has dropped topless photos from Page 3
[11:09] <neuro> one reader has complained so far
[11:09] <SuperMatt> hooray!
[11:10] <neuro> http://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2013/aug/08/sun-page-3
[11:10] <davmor2> but neuro how will you ever know what Diana would think without reading the dailymail
[11:11] <mgdm> Isn't that the Express? :-)
[11:11] <directhex> neuro, https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/kitten-block/
[11:11] <neuro> davmor2: i think you're thinking of the Daily Express
[11:11] <davmor2> </mock the week>
[11:11] <neuro> directhex: easier to just add a line to adblock rather than switch browsers ;)
[11:11] <neuro> i don't even want to read the text
[11:11] <directhex> neuro, https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/kitten-block/dicomhebenajaeajoaehlhebjjehjahd?hl=en-GB
[11:11] <neuro> as i said, i don't even want to read the thing
[11:12] <directhex> neuro, no text, it just redirects *.mailmail.co.uk to tea and kittens
[11:12] <neuro> adblock blocks the click as well as all images if i make it to a dm page by accident
[11:12] <neuro> so it's hard to unwittingly click through to the dm site
[11:17] <dvrr> MooDoo
[11:18] <dvrr> Hiii
[11:18] <MooDoo> hello
[11:19] <dvrr> how  are you
[11:19] <neuro> i've come to an epic conclusion
[11:19] <neuro> the next series of doctor who with peter capaldi will be bloody brilliant
[11:19] <neuro> not because of anything actually done in the show
[11:20] <dvrr> i have  problem apache server
[11:20] <neuro> but because, hopefully, there will be who/thick of it mashups in the days after
[11:20] <dvrr> neuro :  today  i have configured apache + mod_jk +tomcat +mysql + cluster but  i apache  some server problem
[11:20] <neuro> um, ok?
[11:24] <dvrr> i have taken 3 systems   2 servers app tomcat1, tomcat2   3 server  mysql & apache  run but  i am not able to access  application servers   another machine
[11:32] <dvrr> neuro : how to access application servers
[11:41] <neuro> dvrr: i have no idea dude
[11:43] <neuro> http://www.theverge.com/2013/8/7/4594714/canonical-ubuntu-edge-crowdfunding-campaign-may-not-reach-its-goal
[11:46] <MartijnVdS> neuro: REALLY?!
[11:47] <neuro> hehe
[11:47] <neuro> it's still possible for some sort of hail mary publicity thing to pull in additional funding
[11:47] <MartijnVdS> theverge: the "daily fail" of the internet
[11:47] <neuro> you think?
[11:47] <neuro> i find them pretty even handed
[11:47] <MartijnVdS> neuro: never seen a good article on there
[11:47] <neuro> i've found loads
[11:48] <MartijnVdS> aren't they the same as gawker etc.?
[11:49] <neuro> um no?
[11:49] <MartijnVdS> like lifehacker and gizmodo
[11:49] <neuro> nothing to do with them
[11:50] <MartijnVdS> Oh, it looked similar to me.
[11:50] <MartijnVdS> I tend to read arstechnica myself
[11:51]  * neuro cancels his amazon xbox one preorder :P
[11:51] <MartijnVdS> sanity prevails again
[11:51] <neuro> need to do it again, apparently there's no headset in the box
[11:53] <neuro> crazy preorder placeholder pricing ...
[11:53] <MartijnVdS> neuro: "pre-order price guarantee"!
[11:54] <neuro> "Wireless Controller With Play and Charge Kit (Xbox One)" - £89.99
[11:54] <neuro> "Chat Headset (Xbox One)" - £89.99
[11:54] <MartijnVdS> neuro: wow.. MS really need money don't they
[11:54] <neuro> placeholder pricing
[11:54] <neuro> PLACEHOLDER PRICING
[11:54] <MartijnVdS> or so you hope
[11:54] <neuro> amazon didn't know what to charge for them, so they priced all the accessories at 90 quid
[11:55] <neuro> joypad is $60 in the US, headset $25
[11:55] <neuro> so probably 45-50 quid for joypad here, 20 for headset
[11:59] <directhex> could be worse
[12:00] <directhex> littlewoods are charging 25% above rrp on actually known, published RRPs on next-gen HW
[12:04] <diddledan> neuro: see the latest announcement from edge/gogo?
[12:05] <neuro> BLOODY HELL
[12:05] <neuro> wait, WHAT?
[12:05] <diddledan> is that good or bad bloody hell? :-p
[12:05]  * MartijnVdS takes away neuro's "shift" and "caps lock" keys
[12:05] <neuro> they're going to refund EVERYONE who pledged for an edge at a higher tier?!
[12:06] <diddledan> seems that way
[12:06] <neuro> so yet again they're going to lose money
[12:06] <neuro> all money to go to building phones, except for the hundreds of thousands we've decided to give back to people
[12:07] <neuro> this is a fiasco
[12:08] <neuro> so what, next week, another magical unicorn event occurs and they drop the phones down to $600?
[12:08] <diddledan> gerroff moy land!
[12:08] <neuro> hehe
[12:08] <diddledan> they seem to state that there's not going to be any further reductions
[12:09] <neuro> shyeah, right
[12:09] <dvrr> neuro: i have two application servers two different machines running (tomcat1, tomcat2 applicatin servers   clustering  & section replication  also complected ) another machine running apache2 server how to biend or (access) that two application servers  using this apache server(using hostname) please help me
[12:10] <neuro> dvrr: i don't know what you want me to do
[12:10] <neuro> it all sounds very complicated, with very little information given, and i'm not a tomcat expert by any means
[12:11] <dvrr> ok  sorry if you know
[12:16] <SuperMatt> dvrr: what is your first language?
[12:51] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: his first language is /quit
[12:52] <SuperMatt> obcs
[12:52] <SuperMatt> *obvs
[12:53] <SuperMatt> I was gonna suggest he go to whatever channel speaks his first language
[12:53] <SuperMatt> I'd much rather people have *easy* support, than try to tackle the language barriers myself
[12:53] <SuperMatt> if all else fails, I will step up though
[12:54] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: I think he's been here before, but his English isn't good enough to explain his problem
[12:55] <SuperMatt> :(
[12:56] <SuperMatt> I remember someone a shot while ago said they couldn't get any help in -fr, but I looked in there and there was just as many people as in here
[13:45] <neuro> SuperMatt: he's from hyderabad in india
[13:46] <SuperMatt> fun times
[13:47] <neuro> there's 14 people in #ubuntu-in apparently
[13:47] <neuro> and the topic says "talk in english"
[13:47] <SuperMatt> oh dear
[13:47] <SuperMatt> not fun at all
[13:48] <MartijnVdS> neuro: that might be because they speak about 2387423 languages in all of India?
[13:48] <SuperMatt> though I find it quite funny that he's managed to cluster a lot of tomboy stuff, etc, but doesn't know how to set up an apache proxy (I think that's what he was asking)
[13:48] <MartijnVdS> tomcat != tomboy
[13:49] <SuperMatt> sorry yes
[13:49] <SuperMatt> I was being a bit funny with my typing
[13:52] <ali1234> are there any large open source projects written in a language other than english? (for variable names etc)
[13:52] <ali1234> i think there's one fairly famous one written in french but i can't remember which one
[13:53] <MartijnVdS> StarOffice had German comments
[13:53] <MartijnVdS> well the first OpenOffice branched from it, anyway
[13:54] <ali1234> i think the french one is a CRM system written by/for the french government, but also open source and fairly well known
[13:54] <ali1234> or it might be french-canadian
[13:55] <MooDoo> thursday funny - http://31.media.tumblr.com/6cea63a841b80239a07e887ff2eebb9c/tumblr_mr4y5tzmRf1qdlh1io1_r1_250.gif
[13:56] <neuro> depends on your definition of "funny", i guess :)
[13:56] <ali1234> i lol'd
[13:57] <Azelphur> popey: did my own take on the popey cam http://www.ustream.tv/channel/Azelphur :)
[13:57] <Azelphur> that's my edimax ip camera pointing out the window, bridged into ustream with ffmpeg
[13:58] <MooDoo> you live that close to the sea Azelphur ?
[13:58] <Azelphur> yep
[13:58] <MooDoo> awesome
[13:59] <Azelphur> MooDoo: shall I turn the camera around for comparison? XD
[14:00] <ali1234> yes, clean those windows!
[14:00] <AlanBell> those are funny looking chickens Azelphur
[14:00] <Azelphur> ali1234: haha
[14:00] <Azelphur> AlanBell: indeed :)
[14:00] <MooDoo> Azelphur: go for it
[14:01] <MartijnVdS> sea chickens!
[14:01] <SuperMatt> oh, that reminds me, I want to create a google+ hangout of my budgies
[14:01] <MartijnVdS> uh, that's actually a thing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_of_the_Sea
[14:01] <MooDoo> lol
[14:01] <SuperMatt> my housemates tell me they never make a sound when I leave the house, I want to test it out
[14:01] <MooDoo> Azelphur: ha ha ha ha
[14:01] <Azelphur> MooDoo: :D
[14:01] <AlanBell> as is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_of_the_VNC
[14:02] <Azelphur> I been tempted to move the cam to the other room actually, I think the view might be better.
[14:03] <SuperMatt> Azelphur: any reason why you use ustream and not google+ hangouts?
[14:03] <Azelphur> SuperMatt: ustream supports rtsp so I can do this all on a server
[14:03] <SuperMatt> hangouts can be pumped straight to youtube
[14:03] <ali1234> so how do you bridge an IP cam to ustream?
[14:03] <MooDoo> Azelphur: I might admit I was playing with motion last night
[14:03] <SuperMatt> ah, so no need for an x server?
[14:04] <Azelphur> ali1234: ffmpeg -r 12 -i "http://admin:1234@192.168.1.120/mjpg/video.mjpg" -f flv "${RTMP_URL}/${KEY} flashver=FME/2.5\20(compatible;\20FMSc\201.0)
[14:04]  * SuperMatt starts hacking
[14:04] <Azelphur> hehe
[14:04] <SuperMatt> I know all your passwords now, bwa ha ha ha, etc
[14:05] <Azelphur> SuperMatt: xD
[14:05] <Azelphur> If I move it to the other window, there's a load more people
[14:05] <Azelphur> where as where it is, hardly any people
[14:05] <Azelphur> decisions :P
[14:07] <SuperMatt> just stream porn to us instead
[14:07] <Azelphur> haha
[14:07] <Azelphur> https://www.dropbox.com/s/loa2an09ni3vu9k/2013-08-08%2015.07.20.jpg
[14:08] <SuperMatt> ugg, I hate when you have a parcel on the way, and it's getting closer and closer to home time and it's still not here and dammit I just want to play with it
[14:08] <Azelphur> that's what it looks like out the other window atm
[14:08] <SuperMatt> ooh, a beach
[14:09] <SuperMatt> aren't you lucky
[14:09] <Azelphur> hehe
[14:09] <SuperMatt> still, I love this central london malarky
[14:09] <Azelphur> whatcha think, move the ip cam over there?
[14:09] <diddledan> and there's me stuck in amazingstoke
[14:09] <SuperMatt> why not?
[14:09] <Azelphur> \o/
[14:10]  * Azelphur moves it over
[14:13] <Azelphur> gah it's playing up and not wanting to connect to wifi now
[14:28] <Azelphur> there we go, stream is back at the new location
[14:29] <MooDoo> better view
[14:31] <Azelphur> hmm, it's apparently doing 30fps now
[14:31] <Azelphur> I wonder if that means I can up the frame rate on ffmpeg without getting the crazy hyperspeed playback
[14:32] <Azelphur> nah bit naf
[15:10] <Azelphur> there we go, managed to fix the aspect ratio now too, much better image http://www.ustream.tv/channel/Azelphur :D
[15:12] <Azelphur> gah, looks like I've re-encarnated whatever caused the frame rate to be messed up, though.
[15:12] <SuperMatt> /o\
[15:17] <MartijnVdS> stop torrenting :P
[15:17] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: haha, the problem is that ffmpeg is stupid
[15:18] <MartijnVdS> true
[15:18] <Azelphur> it basically says mjpgs are all 25 fps
[15:18] <Azelphur> and totally ignores the command line arguments
[15:18] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: you need to put the framerate before the -i
[15:18] <Azelphur> so I have to tweak the output frame rate to get it just above realtime, and let it catch up
[15:18] <Azelphur> yea, I do
[15:18] <Seeker`> hmm, I wonder what the candidate GPUs are for the Ubuntu Edge
[15:20] <ali1234> none that are available on the market today
[15:20] <Seeker`> ali1234: why do you say that?
[15:21] <ali1234> because it won't be released until next year
[15:21] <Azelphur> I wonder if mark shuttleworth is gonna step in to bulk up the shortfall
[15:21] <Seeker`> that doesn't mean it won't use anything currently on the market
[15:21] <ali1234> if they use a GPU on the market today it will be a year out of date by next year
[15:21] <AlanBell> nope, unless indiegogo let them drop the funding total
[15:21] <Seeker`> ali1234: define 'on the market'?
[15:22] <ali1234> on the market = OEMs can buy it
[15:22] <ali1234> or ODMs
[15:22] <Seeker`> nah, there is stuff available to licence now which isn't in any phone products
[15:23] <ali1234> yeah, that stuff will be in phones released in Q4
[15:24] <MartijnVdS> I say we get it to £20M and buy Brompton Road
[15:24] <MartijnVdS> much cooler
[15:24] <MartijnVdS> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/uknews/10226777/Brompton-station-on-sale-for-20-million..html
[15:25] <Seeker`> ali1234: hmm, not convinced
[15:25] <ali1234> the choice is basically powervr, nvidia, or mali
[15:26] <Seeker`> ali1234: The products that are going to be used in the next year or so have already been announced by those companies
[15:26] <ali1234> the edge itself has been announced too
[15:27] <ali1234> it doesn't mean it exists
[15:27] <Seeker`> ali1234: doesn't change the fact that I was wondering what canonical are considering for the GPU for the edge
[15:28] <ali1234> (16:25:56) ali1234: the choice is basically powervr, nvidia, or mali
[15:28] <Seeker`> yes, it doesn't mean that they are considering all of those though
[15:29] <ali1234> nobody who knows will tell you because of NDAs
[15:29] <ali1234> given the poor reputation of powervr i would say that one is the least likely
[15:30] <Seeker`> 'poor reputation'?
[15:30] <ali1234> yes. everyone hates powervr because of their terrible drivers
[15:30] <MartijnVdS> "but it has power in the name"
[15:30]  * Seeker` probably can't comment on powervr drivers
[15:30] <Azelphur> my crazy ffmpeg line at present, btw ./ffmpeg -r 7 -i "http://admin:1234@192.168.1.120/mjpg/video.mjpg" -filter:v "scale=640:480,crop=640:360:60:0" -f flv "${RTMP_URL}/${KEY} flashver=FME/2.5\20(compatible;\20FMSc\201.0)"
[15:31] <Azelphur> forcing 7 fps, the output runs slightly slower than the input, so it seems to stop to catch up every now and again
[15:31] <Azelphur> but apart from that it's ok \o/
[15:31] <Seeker`> ali1234: a lot of people use PowerVR devices for something that 'everyone hates' though :P
[15:32] <ali1234> where everyone = open source developers?
[15:32] <RaycisCharles> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/08/ubuntu-edge-looks-doomed-but-canonical-cuts-cost-of-making-the-phone/
[15:32] <RaycisCharles> Am I reading this wrong or are they suggesting the phone is $695?
[15:33] <ali1234> it is
[15:33] <RaycisCharles> How does this compare to existing smartphones in the US, such as the HTC One or Galaxy S4?
[15:33] <ali1234> cheaper than S4
[15:33] <ali1234> no idea about HTC One
[15:34] <ali1234> of course that makes about as much sense as comparing the S4 to the S3
[15:34] <Seeker`> ali1234: you mean people that write stuff for the atoms?
[15:35] <ali1234> i don't even know what that means
[15:35] <Seeker`> Admittedly I've not been looking, but the last major complaints I saw about powervr drivers were from people writing stuff to run on intel atoms
[15:36] <ali1234> nobody at all writes stuff specifically to run on atoms
[15:36] <MartijnVdS> yet
[15:36] <ali1234> except for moblin, which was written by intel specifically to run on atoms
[15:36] <ali1234> but since they are intel they have access to the NDA'd documentation to make that work
[15:37] <ali1234> of course only one atom chip even used powervr, the rest had integrated graphics with open source drivers
[15:37] <ali1234> also that powervr chipset used in atom motherboards is completely different to the mobile powervr used with arm chips, and has a totally different driver
[15:39] <Seeker`> like I said, the last complaints I saw about the drivers in open source stuff were from when powervr was used in atoms
[16:20] <mibofra> hi, I'm an Italian user but can I ask here? (#ubuntu is too busy and on #ubuntu-it they didn't find a solution)
[16:20] <mibofra> Please :)) ?
[16:21] <daftykins> just ask
[16:21] <daftykins> but a channel being 'too busy' is not really a problem
[16:22] <mibofra> I'm asking only if I'm a problem here o no
[16:23] <mibofra> but if it's all ok I start to write the question:
[16:24] <davmor2> mibofra: just ask we will help if we can
[16:32] <mibofra> I'm a minecraft player. (I'm running ubuntu 13.10 dev branch 32bit with linux 3.10.0-5-lowlatency and java oracle 7, I've also installed and tried oracle 8 and openjdk 6-7). Since 2 days ago I get an socket exception error with connection reset form java (on minecraft client) and on my minecraft localhost server too (1. I've tried the aliases too, 2.I've tried with other servers too, 3)server side I get a connection lost form 127.0.0.1 (alias lo
[16:32] <mibofra> calhost)). After that I thought it was minecraft to I've joined to the official minecraft channel for technical issues. After hours they (minecraft support) said me (I've reinstalled java and minecraft too) it's the SO (ubuntu) closing the connection. So they said me to ask on ubuntu channels. I've asked first on my common ones #ubuntu-it-chat and #ubuntu-it but with no results. So can I test if the matter is generated by Ubuntu and How can I fi
[16:32] <mibofra> x it?
[16:32] <mibofra> Sorry but it's a long question xD
[16:35] <neuro> is the server actually listening on localhost?
[16:35] <neuro> maybe it's listening on your LAN IP instead?
[16:35] <neuro> i'm guessing, i've never used the minecraft server before
[16:36] <neuro> (where's popey when you need him)
[16:36] <mibofra> neuro, nmap and netstat says the port is open and the server listen on 0.0.0.0 (all interfaces)
[16:36] <neuro> hmmm
[16:37] <neuro> what happens if you telnet to the port?
[16:37] <neuro> does it close the connection immediately, or does it wait
[16:37] <mibofra> I've thing I'll did the test but let's repeat
[16:37] <neuro> if you've done it already, what was the result? :)
[16:38] <mibofra> It's connected
[16:38] <mibofra> spf@spf-laptop:~$ telnet localhost 25565
[16:38] <mibofra> Trying 127.0.0.1...
[16:38] <mibofra> Connected to localhost.
[16:38] <mibofra> Escape character is '^]'.
[16:38] <neuro> you can use CTRL and ] together to bring the telnet prompt back
[16:38] <neuro> and type quit to exit telnet
[16:38] <mibofra> yep I know xD
[16:38] <neuro> sorry :)
[16:38] <mibofra> nothing thanks anyway :)
[16:39] <neuro> aren't there any logs to look at?
[16:39] <mibofra> the server: 18:39:14 [INFO] Disconnecting /127.0.0.1:48766: Took too long to log in
[16:39] <neuro> minecraft server logs? or system logs such as /var/log/syslog
[16:39] <ali1234> i've seen this problem before
[16:39] <mibofra> minecraft server dosen't support all commands xD
[16:39] <mibofra> and the client
[16:39] <ali1234> it can be caused by ISP traffic shaping
[16:40] <ali1234> we had this problem on popey's server
[16:40] <mibofra> on localhost xD
[16:40] <neuro> ali1234: but it's on the same machine
[16:40] <ali1234> whuuuuuuut
[16:40] <neuro> ja
[16:40] <ali1234> ok, that is extremely unusual
[16:40] <neuro> or did you miss the constant mentions of the word 'localhost'? ;)
[16:40] <mibofra> client side : http://paste.ubuntu.com/5963079/
[16:42] <ali1234> it *might* be something to do with the minecraft login server?
[16:42] <ali1234> both the client and the serer tries to verify you have a paid minecraft account with login.minecraft.net
[16:43] <daftykins> there's a parameter in the configs to have it an online public or not one or something too - that generally affects things
[16:43] <daftykins> i helped set one up once, never play it though
[16:44] <neuro> making sure the client and server versions are identical is important, from what i've just read
[16:44] <neuro> lots of google hits for that error, with lots of annoyed minecraft players :(
[16:44] <ali1234> i would break out strace and wireshark
[16:45] <mibofra> the same questions of minecraft staff
[16:45] <mibofra> answers xD
[16:45] <daftykins> the log would disconnect due to version mismatch if so
[16:45] <daftykins> *show a
[16:45] <mibofra> 1)when it can't verify the registration minecrat gives me another error
[16:46] <neuro> ali1234: so you think it's definitely necessary to break out emacs and modify that perl script? </quote=thesocialnetwork> :D
[16:46] <mibofra> 2)the same version (1.6.2) server and client (server is or minecraft vanilla o bukkit but I get the same with both)
[16:46] <mibofra> daftykins, default the parameter is true
[16:47] <mibofra> ali1234 nothing important on wireshark
[16:47] <neuro> if this started happening 2 days ago, i would be asking this question: what changed 2 days ago?
[16:48] <neuro> did you update Ubuntu?  did you update Minecraft?  did you change anything on your system not related to Minecraft?
[16:48] <mibofra> (And I've stopped postfix, dovecot, smpamassassin, amavis, apache ecc)
[16:48] <neuro> i doubt any of those would matter
[16:49] <mibofra> neuro I make the upgrade every day so everything maybe
[16:49] <mibofra> nero I've said that for the woreshark log, (less services = more legible log)
[16:49] <mibofra> *wireshark
[16:49] <neuro> good point
[16:50] <neuro> this may be silly
[16:50] <neuro> but have you tried switching off apparmor temporarily?
[16:54] <neuro> oh well :)
[17:01] <Azelphur> "When you're dying of malaria, I suppose you'll look up and see that balloon, and I'm not sure how it'll help you." RE Google Internet balloons, Bill Gates.
[17:01] <Azelphur> I thought he was a tad smarter than that, maybe he's loosing it in his old age ;)
[17:02] <Azelphur> my view on that is that the old proverb "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime" applies. :)
[17:06] <daftykins> no, i'm afraid you've got it all wrong there
[17:07] <daftykins> i think combatting the disease is far more sensible than providing what amounts to a luxury
[17:08] <mgdm> daftykins: +1
[17:08] <Azelphur> daftykins: it's not a luxury, as I said, you're providing them with the information to be able to treat it themselves
[17:09] <Azelphur> teach a man to fish seriously applies here, you keep throwing food/medicine at them, they'll last till tomorrow
[17:09] <daftykins> no, we're talking about countries where that's not practical
[17:09] <daftykins> well, i don't know Google's plans but i know Bill Gates does work in places where it's not practical
[17:10] <Azelphur> why not?
[17:10] <daftykins> because the infrastructure isn't there to go from how they are now to solving it themselves
[17:10] <Azelphur> daftykins: google is building the infrastructure...that's the point
[17:10] <daftykins> no not *that* infrastructure
[17:10] <daftykins> the one to reduce disease and so on
[17:11] <daftykins> or generally self-help
[17:11] <Azelphur> then we need to be helping to get that infrastructure in place :)
[17:11] <daftykins> yep, which i'm pretty sure is what the kind of work he does is
[17:12] <Azelphur> i see
[17:12] <Azelphur> so basically the only complaint is that google is jumping the gun a bit ;)
[17:12] <neuro> so, my question is, are google charging to do this?
[17:12] <neuro> or are they just doing it for free?
[17:13] <daftykins> Azelphur: to me Google's plan sounds a lot like giving a thirsty person lost in the dessert a sextant (if that's the device) and a wikipedia article on how to work out your latitude and longitude.
[17:13] <daftykins> lol desert ;/
[17:13] <daftykins> i have cake on the brain
[17:14] <Azelphur> daftykins: the problem here is that you've, literally, got millions of people stuck in the desert
[17:14] <Azelphur> and giving them the information on how to work out their longtitude and latitude is the only answer that has a chance at saving the vast majority of them
[17:16] <daftykins> haha, no because it's bypassing the base requirement of water to begin with
[17:16] <daftykins> they're delirious and can't read to learn
[17:17] <Azelphur> maybe I'm a little uneducated then, is it literally because of the climate out there that these problems exist?
[17:17] <ali1234> nonsense
[17:18] <ali1234> you know what? even gates doesn't have views as simplistic as you're claiming
[17:19] <ali1234> he knows very well that one of the biggest impediments to his vaccination programs is lack of education
[17:19] <ali1234> and you know what enabled education? communication
[17:23] <neuro> dammit
[17:23] <neuro> oreos
[17:23] <neuro> i went to eat one
[17:23] <daftykins> the interview i read with him the other day must've been an imposter then
[17:23] <neuro> i ate 6
[17:26] <daftykins> call it a rounding error
[17:26] <daftykins> NOTHING TO SEE HERE
[17:28] <neuro> lol
[17:29] <directhex> .
[17:29] <directhex> .10.#.#
[17:29] <directhex> 0#
[17:30] <daftykins> 0o
[17:31] <DJones> As Obi-Wan would say, this is not the terminal you were looking for
[17:37] <MartijnVdS> thanks for your passwords though
[17:41]  * MattJ wonders if directhex's cat is learning to type IP addresses
[17:42] <directhex> that was the boy
[17:42] <directhex> the cat greeted #debian-uk
[17:43] <daftykins> XD
[17:45] <mibofra> hi guys :)
[17:46] <daftykins> oh you came back
[17:46] <daftykins> fixed?
[17:46] <ali1234> the biggest problem i can see with internet balloons is that it seems rather impractical
[17:47] <mibofra> no xD
[17:47] <diddledan> does anybody here access an amazon vps from a saucy sausage desktop? for some reason the private key created by amazon isn't being recognised by my saucy serenade openssh client and I can't work out why.
[17:47] <mibofra> but I notice a thing
[17:49] <mibofra> I don't know if the command is built in (an for this thing the server stop the connection) but If I type help on telnet I get a connection closed by foreing host and a connection lost server side
[17:49] <mibofra> but also on servers on the net...
[17:49] <mibofra> uhm
[17:50] <ali1234> that's because of protocol error
[17:50] <mibofra> ok fine
[17:51] <mibofra> so I dind't solve the problem xD
[17:51] <ali1234> can you connect to other servers on the internet using minecraft client?
[17:51] <mibofra> nope
[17:51] <mibofra> same eroor
[17:51] <mibofra> *error
[17:51] <ali1234> can other people connect to your server?
[17:52] <mibofra> P.S. the internal software firewall is closed/stopped
[17:53] <mibofra> ali1234, I've to try but they can connect to other services like ircd, openfire (xmpp), postfix, dovecot ecc
[17:53] <MattJ> XMPP \o/
[17:53] <mibofra> :P
[17:54] <ali1234> you are running a lot of services?
[17:54] <ali1234> have you checked for port collisions?
[17:54] <mibofra> usually yes and yes they works fine... anyway to be sure I've deactivated all of them
[17:54] <mibofra> *work lol
[17:56] <ali1234> check "sudo netstat -npl --protocol=inet"
[18:00] <ali1234> weirdly enough minecraft does not appear on that
[18:00] <silner1> Seems like mbpurple no longer works with Twitter
[18:00] <ali1234> but if you do "sudo netstat -npl"
[18:00] <ali1234> then it appears as ipv6
[18:00] <ali1234> tcp6       0      0 :::25565                :::*                    LISTEN      9335/java
[18:01] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: that means it listens on both v4 and v6
[18:01] <ali1234> yeah. but you have to specify --protocol=inet6 to see it on netstat
[18:01] <MartijnVdS> unless you set that sysctl variable to un-couple v4 and v6 listening or something
[18:03] <mibofra> yes there is
[18:03] <neuro> mibofra: did you try temporarily disabling apparmor?
[18:03] <mibofra> no, sudo service apparmor stop?
[18:03] <neuro> yeah
[18:04] <mibofra> ok disabilited
[18:04] <mibofra> let's try
[18:06] <mibofra> connection reset xD
[18:06] <neuro> ah well
[18:06] <neuro> don't forget to restart apparmor
[18:07] <mibofra> yep I've done this :P
[18:07] <mibofra> that's incredible xD
[18:08] <neuro> it's working?
[18:08] <mibofra> no xD
[18:08] <neuro> oh
[18:09] <ali1234> i've got mail to root: Subject: Cron <www-data@headfuzz> [ -x /usr/share/awstats/tools/update.sh ] && /usr/share/awstats/tools/update.sh
[18:09] <ali1234> i looked in the crontab for root and www-data but that line isn't in there... where is it?
[18:09] <mibofra> usually me to ali1234
[18:09] <neuro> ali1234: ls /etc/cron*
[18:09] <neuro> in fact
[18:10] <neuro> /etc/cron.d/awstats
[18:10] <ali1234> yeah found it, thanks
[18:10] <ali1234> i'm trying to do the initial run of awstats but it seems to by stomping all over itself because it takes longewr than 10 minutes (the log is really big)
[18:11] <ali1234> 100MB in fact
[18:22] <MartijnVdS> stop having such a popular web site!
[18:29] <Azelphur> http://www.gizmag.com/sol-solar-powered-ubuntu-laptop/28611/ this seems pretty swish
[18:30] <MartijnVdS> "Let me unfold my laptop"
[18:30] <MartijnVdS> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubik's_Magic
[18:30] <MartijnVdS> what's with this new trend of opening an in-page popup after 10 seconds?
[18:32] <diddledan> dabs.com have just emailed me their regular spammage of offers. they've got a dlink wireless ac750 dual band "cloud router" <-- wtf is a "cloud router"?
[18:33] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: that means you can change its settings on a website
[18:33] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: even if you're away from the device
[18:33] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: (it connects to the vendor to retrieve its settings)
[18:33] <Azelphur> you mean...like...remote access that every router ever has?
[18:33] <diddledan> sounds like a privacy nightmare
[18:33] <Azelphur> xD
[18:33] <MartijnVdS> that's what it meant for Linksys
[18:33] <Azelphur> seems silly
[18:33] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: 'tis
[18:34] <Azelphur> diddledan: Check out the Asus RT-N16 for current decent bang for buck router
[18:34]  * MartijnVdS always buys OpenWRT-capable routers. Just 'cause
[18:34] <Azelphur> those things are evil as hell >:)
[18:34] <MartijnVdS> TP-Link 4300
[18:34] <MartijnVdS> until their 4900 gets better support in OpenWRT :)
[18:35] <diddledan> I quite like mikrotik routers except for the closed nature of them
[18:35] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: have a look at Ubiquity then :)
[18:35] <MartijnVdS> http://www.ubnt.com/
[18:35] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: that's a nice box too :)
[18:36] <Azelphur> are the antennas detachable?
[18:36] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: yes, but they're dual-band, so if you replace them you need to use dual-band ones
[18:36] <MartijnVdS> or disable either 2.4 or 5GHz
[18:36] <Azelphur> fun
[18:36] <Azelphur> seems similar to the RT-N16 but more expensive :P
[18:37] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: the 4900 or the 4300?
[18:37] <Azelphur> although the WDR4300 has a better chipset
[18:37] <Azelphur> the 4300
[18:37] <Azelphur> woa, that 4900 is beastly
[18:38] <Azelphur> I'll probably upgrade when it gets to 802.11ac properly
[18:38] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: RT-N16 is currently "work in progress" for OpenWRT, 4300 hardware support is amazing :)
[18:38] <Azelphur> cool :)
[18:38] <diddledan> lol @ marketing, aparently 1000Mbps is 10 times bigger than 100Mbps
[18:38] <MartijnVdS> is it now
[18:38] <daftykins> 'bigger'
[18:38] <Azelphur> bigger xD
[18:38] <daftykins> it angers me when units are put up wrong
[18:39] <daftykins> so, 90% of the time
[18:39] <diddledan> http://www.tp-link.com/en/products/details/?model=TL-WDR4900 <-- note the second image with the massive "speeds can be 10x faster"
[18:39] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: welcome to the world of marketing
[18:40] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: where reality does not really exist
[18:40] <Azelphur> xD
[18:40] <MartijnVdS> http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/tl-wdr4900
[18:40] <MartijnVdS> much better infoz
[18:40] <daftykins> ALL THE ANTENNAS
[18:40] <Azelphur> wtf, 6 antenna?
[18:40] <Azelphur> xD
[18:40] <MartijnVdS> yeah that's the Chinese model
[18:40] <daftykins> that thing looks pricklier than a Cactus
[18:40] <MartijnVdS> they don't do dual-band antennas in China or something
[18:41] <MartijnVdS> anyway, it's *ppc* instead of mips or arm
[18:41] <MartijnVdS> because.. why not
[18:41] <daftykins> D:
[18:41] <MartijnVdS> probably because it's faster :)
[18:42] <ali1234> mips is pretty lame tbh
[18:42] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: most consumer routers are mips
[18:42] <ali1234> yeah, and they are trash :P
[18:42] <MartijnVdS> though arm ones are becoming available
[18:42] <AlanBell> PPC just became mildly more open did it not?
[18:43] <Azelphur> I want that router now lol
[18:43] <ali1234> it's a cpu architecture... how can be become more open?
[18:44] <AlanBell> http://www.businesscloudnews.com/2013/08/07/ibm-opens-up-power-architecture-to-bolster-cloud-at-chip-level/ it is using a definition of the word "open" that I am not familiar with
[18:44] <ali1234> ah, openwashing
[18:46] <diddledan> does anybody even buy anything from IBM these days?!
[18:46] <diddledan> apart from ppc chips
[18:46] <AlanBell> the government of Australia did
[18:46] <MartijnVdS> haha, "oops"
[18:47] <AlanBell> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/08/07/australian_state_bans_ibm_from_future_work/
[18:47] <MartijnVdS> We (work) tried to get IBM to implement something a few years ago
[18:47] <diddledan> I get the impression that IBM are "a shadow of their former self"
[18:47] <MartijnVdS> They were sent packing when they hadn't delivered anything (except a huge bill) after more than a year
[18:47] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: that's what you get when management thinks "making things" isn't your core business -- look at HP
[18:48] <MartijnVdS> Just sell consultancy, and be bad at everything while raking in the money.
[18:48] <diddledan> yeah, so HP still arguably has a server business, but I get the impression they'd rather not
[18:49] <diddledan> seems servers aren't worth having  unless they're dell-branded
[18:49] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: Léo Apotheker made sure of that
[18:49] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: "During his tenure as chief executive at HP, the company lost more than $30 billion in market capitalization after a series of strategic missteps by the company, leading to his resignation."
[18:50] <diddledan> it used to be that compaq (later bought out by hp) were the _only_ brand of system you'd see in public AND private sector deployments around year 2000
[18:50] <diddledan> since the buyout hp have killed the entire business
[18:50] <diddledan> seems oracle are trying hard to do the same
[18:51] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: IBM Thinkpads to Lenovo
[18:51] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: another example
[18:51] <diddledan> oracle are doing it differently tho - they're suing anybody who has investment in their products/techs
[18:52] <shauno> we've still got ~2003 thinkpads that just won't die
[18:52] <MartijnVdS> shauno: Along with Nokia 3310s?
[18:52] <diddledan> oracle can't innovate - they've just stagnated BDB, MySQL and their own OracleDB
[18:52] <diddledan> and Solaris too
[18:52] <directhex> sparc
[18:53] <diddledan> god, thankyou for reminding me of that god-awful "nokia tune"
[18:53] <directhex> diddledan, i can make it worse
[18:53] <shauno> MartijnVdS: 3510's :)
[18:53] <directhex> remember when they started shipping phones with the contest-winning dubstep remix of the nokia tune?
[18:53] <diddledan> >.<
[18:54] <diddledan> *shudder*
[18:54] <directhex> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-mMMVhruJo
[18:54] <diddledan> no, must, not, click
[18:54]  * diddledan clicks
[18:54] <ali1234> directhex: funny you should mention that
[18:54] <daftykins> such dire noise.
[18:54] <ali1234> that new jingle was chosen in a user-vote competition
[18:55] <ali1234> it wasn't the most popular entry though
[18:55] <ali1234> http://nokiatune.audiodraft.com/entries/mostliked/
[18:55] <ali1234> click on "the great marvelous" - that's what actually won
[18:55] <MartijnVdS> http://mozbar.tumblr.com/post/56033578671
[18:55] <MartijnVdS> http://nessthemonster.tumblr.com/post/55415420607
[18:56] <MartijnVdS> http://vanisaysno.tumblr.com/post/54269325075
[18:56] <directhex> ali1234, lol
[18:56] <MartijnVdS> etc.
[18:56] <shauno> lol @ nokia chinese
[18:57] <ali1234> the worst thing about that dubstep remix is how "safe" it is
[18:58] <diddledan> how do I submit a bug on launchpad that can only be replicated by using my private key?
[18:58] <ali1234> it's like dubstep for people who don't like dubstep
[18:58] <daftykins> it's horrific even still
[18:58] <ali1234> this makes it even worse
[18:59] <daftykins> which continues to support my view that the entire 'genre' is noise
[18:59] <ali1234> i mean if you're going to have a horrible noise, at least make it a properly horrible noise
[19:01] <ali1234> it's classic executive meddling basically
[19:06] <daftykins> 'you know what'd make the youth of today love us? if we trashed our product!'
[19:07] <ali1234> it's not designed to appeal to "youth"
[19:08] <daftykins> you're taking that way too seriously
[19:10] <ali1234> it's literally not though
[19:10] <ali1234> it's like the mid 2000's when literally everything had an amen break slapped on it
[19:11] <daftykins> a what?
[19:12] <Azelphur> generated a timelapse of today from my camera, https://www.dropbox.com/s/l901jp1es6trtwf/out.mp4 :D
[19:12] <daftykins> whoooooa
[19:13] <daftykins> nice
[19:13] <Azelphur> hehe
[19:13] <MartijnVdS> Ants!
[19:13] <Azelphur> indeed xD
[19:16] <ali1234> daftykins: https://www.youtube.com/watch&v=e8ZH9JifNrQ&t=88
[19:16] <MartijnVdS> itym https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8ZH9JifNrQ&t=88
[19:16] <ali1234> yes
[19:16] <MartijnVdS> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SaFTm2bcac
[19:17] <ali1234> anyway, this is the most egregious thing about this type of advertising. it's not aimed at kids - they'll immediately see through it. it's aimed at adults trying to be cool
[19:18] <ali1234> no actual dubstep fan will think that nokia thing is good
[19:26] <mibofra> hi xD
[19:26] <daftykins> uh-oh
[19:26] <mibofra> XD
[19:27] <mibofra> how are you XD ?
[19:29] <daftykins> i'm ok ty, how are you?
[19:32] <mibofra> fine thanks :)
[19:45] <popey> Evening all.
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> hi popey
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> back from the deep south again? :)
[19:45] <popey> ☻
[19:48] <ali1234> awstats is slow :(
[19:50] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: again, stop having such a popular website
[19:50] <ali1234> it's not even that popular
[19:52] <ali1234> access.log is 400000 lines
[19:53] <ali1234> awstats seems to process around 100 log entries per second
[19:53] <MartijnVdS> turn off DNS lookups
[19:54] <ali1234> but then the stats won't tell me anything interesting :(
[19:55] <ali1234> does anyone use google analytics?
[19:55] <ali1234> does it tell you things you can't get from the apache logs?
[19:55] <ali1234> like ... demographics of visitors like age, sex, median income?
[19:59] <popey> you get stuff like screen res
[20:00] <popey> i haven't looked at it for ages
[20:00] <ali1234> hmm... well, i could get that with a bit of javascript if i wanted to
[20:00] <ali1234> basically, anything i couldn't get any other way?
[20:00] <ali1234> (short of having a questionnaire for users)
[20:01] <ali1234> basically the guys are asking me to put google analytics on the webpage. i don't really want to because of the cookie law - it means i have to add one of those annoying banners too
[20:02] <shauno> I think you'd have to abuse adwords to get anything demographic-y out of them
[20:03] <shauno> not sure how you'd go about that either, but analytics hits a pretty low ceiling if it's not part of a campaign
[20:04] <daftykins> ali1234: i heard that the banner thing isn't law
[20:04] <daftykins> ali1234: from the guy that works privacy, who was part of bringing it about
[20:04] <ali1234> from paladine?
[20:04] <daftykins> yeah
[20:04] <daftykins> that's the one
[20:04] <ali1234> that doesn't sound like something he would say :)
[20:05] <daftykins> he told me it was something sites do to complain about the law
[20:05] <daftykins> by going all obtrusive about it
[20:05] <ali1234> oh yeah, it's not the law that you have to have a banner
[20:05] <daftykins> nah, seriously
[20:05] <ali1234> you can opt to not use tracking cookies
[20:05] <ali1234> ie not use google analytics at all
[20:05] <daftykins> seriously hate them :/
[20:05] <ali1234> tat's his point
[20:06] <ali1234> that's what i want to do - i don't want to use google analytics, so that i don't need to have the stupid banner
[20:06] <diddledan> the eu directive states that you MUST inform the user about your use of cookies and give them the option to turn them off
[20:06] <ali1234> yeah. most people don't even give the option to turn it off, so are not even in compliance anyway
[20:06] <shauno> http://www.ico.org.uk/for_organisations/privacy_and_electronic_communications/the_guide/cookies   ^F  Implied Consent
[20:06] <daftykins> doubt it involves something sticking in your face though
[20:07] <ali1234> well it's not about the banner
[20:07] <ali1234> it's about havin to implement *something*
[20:07] <ali1234> if i can get all the same info from awstats, then i'd rather do that and not have to worry about it
[20:07] <daftykins> The Register's gets on my chest
[20:08] <ali1234> yeah me too
[20:08] <diddledan> there's two conflicting methods - 1) set cookies and tell them after the page has loaded and explain how to remove the cookies, 2) ensure no cookies are set until the user has agreed to their use. opt-in vs opt-out
[20:08] <daftykins> i'm a browser cache clearer type too, so it'll always be there :(
[20:10] <ali1234> our site has 0  tracking rubbish on it now
[20:10] <diddledan> different opinions are raised about what constitutes "explicit consent" - some take the fact that the user has not turned off the setting in their browser combined with visiting site x as explicit consent. others say that the user has to click a button on the site in question to qualify as explicit consent
[20:10] <ali1234> even the facebook like buttons are implemented using the http link api, ie they are inert unless you click on them
[20:11] <ali1234> and if you click on them it opens facebook in a new window, hence it's not our problem
[20:12] <ali1234> oh, awstats finished
[20:12] <diddledan> the big hole that the eu didn't consider, however, is if it's optional and cookies are to be prevented if the user hasn't chosen to receive them, then how do you store their choice of not wanting the cookies?
[20:12] <diddledan> \o/
[20:13] <diddledan> +1 for catch22 law making
[20:14] <shauno> they're exempted :P
[20:14] <diddledan> not according to the rules
[20:15] <shauno> "user interface customisation cookies, eg language preference cookies to remember the language selected by the user.
[20:15] <diddledan> I've spent a good deal of time examining the various options, and haven't a clue what is the most appropriate method, and it's my job to know
[20:16] <ali1234> hmm... 58% mac, 31% windows, 9% linux - that's after filtering out my own accesses
[20:16] <shauno> that's a preference option that's "not used for additional purposes" - can't be used to id/track/etc, so I'd use it as an exemption
[20:17] <diddledan> ali1234: before you saw those stats what would you have said was your target audience most appropriately using as an os?
[20:17] <diddledan> that engrish sucks
[20:17] <ali1234> well, the target audience is musicians so i'm not particularly surprised
[20:17] <diddledan> aah
[20:17] <diddledan> yeah, that'll explain why max is so high
[20:18] <diddledan> mac*
[20:18] <ali1234> also i happen to know the other two people who run the site use macs, but i don't know what their ips are so i can't filter them
[20:18] <ali1234> more surprised linux is so high
[20:18] <diddledan> haven't you heard, linux is awesome!
[20:18] <ali1234> i heard it
[20:19] <diddledan> :-p
[20:50] <diddledan> is there a program available anyplace that will pretend to be an extra monitor for my ubuntu desktop to extend the desktop area onto my laptop monitor?
[20:53] <AlanBell> diddledan: not exactly (as far as I know) but you can use synergy to seamlessly share mouse and keyboard
[20:53] <AlanBell> so you have laptop things on the laptop and you move the mouse across and just use them
[20:53] <diddledan> AlanBell: I'm already using that, but I want to be able to pull windows across onto a non-native display
[20:54] <AlanBell> you just can't drag windows between machines
[20:54] <AlanBell> I think this is the not-quite fulfilled promise of network transparency of X
[20:55] <AlanBell> and I don't think Mir/Wayland will improve things much
[21:00] <ali1234> !xdmx
[21:00] <ali1234> fine, be like that :S
[21:00] <ali1234> http://dmx.sourceforge.net/
[21:02] <AlanBell> !info xdmx
[21:02] <AlanBell> interesting
[21:02] <ali1234> also http://xpra.org/
[21:02] <ali1234> the problem with these types of solutions is they don't work with acceleration
[21:03] <ali1234> so they don't work with "modern" desktop interfaces
[21:04] <ali1234> wayland will almost certainly make things a lot worse
[21:04] <ali1234> and afaik mir is wayland by a different name
[21:05] <AlanBell> I knew about xpra, it is neat, but slow (or it was)
[21:05] <ali1234> yeah, well, pushing the UI over the network is never going to be fast
[21:06] <AlanBell> xdmx sounds like it is more likely to use accelleration
[21:06] <ali1234> i think it grew some support for it at some point
[21:06] <ali1234> i've never used it
[21:07] <ali1234> i use synergy quite a bit
[21:07] <ali1234> i don't see the need to move windows across screens
[21:07] <ali1234> just open another one :P
[21:07] <ali1234> did i ever tell you guys about my last synergy hack?
[21:08] <diddledan> I don't so much need the window to move, but I want the window on one pc to be tied to the other pc
[21:08] <diddledan> I figure it's easiest if the screen was extended
[21:08] <ali1234> i made a hardware bus mouse emulator, now i can control retro computers using synergy, without installing any software
[21:09] <diddledan> wtf?
[21:09] <ali1234> huh? that's really easy, just xhost it
[21:09] <ali1234> on laptop: ssh -X desktop, then run the program
[21:11] <ali1234> https://github.com/ali1234/avr-amiga-controller
[21:11] <ali1234> you might also like synergy-bluetooth... it's like roaming synergy with auto service discovery
[21:12] <ali1234> and it doesn't flake out if you use all your wifi bandwidth, cos it's ona side channel
[21:13] <ali1234> i would put that on github but synergy insists on using svn
[21:13] <diddledan> github really needs a synchronisation with svn feature
[21:15] <ali1234> git has it... but it's very annoying to use
[21:15] <diddledan> ergh, the bugs are coming in
[21:15] <diddledan> gotta close the winda
[21:16] <ali1234> "checkiing out" an svn repo takes forever because you're not supposed to take a whole copy of the repo with svn
[21:16] <ali1234> you just have a working copy
[21:16] <diddledan> yeah, you have to checkout each commit separately
[21:16] <ali1234> you also can't do a patch series properly that way
[21:16] <diddledan> git-svn can automate it, but still takes forever on long histories
[21:16] <ali1234> it's all or nothing
[21:17] <ali1234> basically svn is awful if you don't have commit access to the repository
[21:18] <diddledan> indeed
[21:18] <diddledan> do I recall that google are shutting down code.google.com?
[21:18] <ali1234> no, they shut down the downloads
[21:18] <diddledan> or did I invent it?
[21:18] <ali1234> because people were abusing it
[21:18] <diddledan> aah
[21:19] <ali1234> so you can't put your compiled exe there
[21:19] <ali1234> but the source is still fine
[21:19] <ali1234> you can put downloads in google drive of course :)
[21:25] <ali1234> so what other stats programs are there than webstats and webaliyzer?
[21:25] <ali1234> awstats sorry
[21:30] <ali1234> botnets :(
[21:30] <ali1234> we got more traffic in an hour from a distributed brute force login attempt than we got from legit users in two months
[21:37] <neuro> ali1234: just catching up from before (was watching Vanishing Point)
[21:37] <neuro> you don't need to do one of those annoying cookie banners any more
[21:37] <neuro> they relaxed the legislation
[21:46] <ali1234> meh
[21:47] <ali1234> i'd still rather not have google analytics
[21:47] <ali1234> i wish wordpress had a failed login log
[21:47] <ali1234> i have a suspicious looking entry in the access logs. looks like someone got in by brute force
[21:47] <ali1234> but i have no idea what user they got in with
[22:01] <neuro> ali1234: http://wordpress.org/plugins/simple-login-log/
[22:02] <ali1234> yeah, i know about those now :)
[22:07] <ali1234> no one got in anyway. there was only one successful login during the attack and it appears to be a coincidence that that person has the same browser as the one the attack bot is spoofing
[22:10] <ali1234> if they did get in they didn't do anything - backups show the database and www files didn't change
[23:34] <ali1234> what's the state of the art with roguelikes these days?
[23:50] <Adriannom> lo
[23:50] <daftykins> hi
[23:54] <Adriannom> i've been using gnome fallback on 12.10, just upgraded to 13.04.  even before the upgrade both chrome and firefox would regularly uhm... fail to refresh the graphics within the window.  you can still interact with the pages (albeit blind) and if you resize the window it usually refreshes the graphics to show you what has happened.  sometimes resizing to a narrower size "fixes" the problem, as long as i don't make it bigge
[23:54] <Adriannom> r again.  tried to upgrade to fix it, but it's become more frequent instead.  any ideas?
[23:55] <Adriannom> tried google but i don't really know how to disambiguate my search
[23:58] <daftykins> Adriannom: what kind of system is it? what graphics, in particular? sounds old to be struggling with unity
[23:58] <Adriannom> lol
[23:58] <Adriannom> nah i'm the one who struggles with unity
[23:58] <Adriannom> is that not common?
[23:59] <Adriannom> VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation G72 [GeForce 7300 GS] (rev a1)
[23:59] <daftykins> hrmm
[23:59] <Adriannom> not sure about cpu etc.  i have a bad memory.  is there a way to check?