[05:50] <Kilos> morning all
[05:51] <Kilos> Maaz, seen magespawn
[05:51] <Maaz> Kilos: magespawn was last seen 13 hours, 57 minutes and 15 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2013-08-07 17:54:00 SAST], and has been offline on freenode since 2013-08-08 04:01:15 SAST
[06:09] <Squirm> morning
[06:09] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[06:26] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[07:08] <magespawn> good morning all
[07:14] <Kilos> lo magespawn you came back
[07:14] <Kilos> what crashed
[07:18] <magespawn> internet
[07:18] <Kilos> ai!
[07:19] <magespawn> one of those things
[07:19] <magespawn> can you remember the site where i downloaded those 3g things that you could not get?
[07:20] <magespawn> i cannot remember the file names
[07:21] <magespawn> and i have a few files in my downloads folder
[07:29] <inetpro> good mornings
[07:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning all
[07:37] <magespawn> hi inetpro ThatGraemeGuy
[08:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> whoa! slow it down a little, things are moving way too fast this morning :D
[08:11] <magespawn> hey it's friday
[08:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> even more reason to not be working too hard ;-)
[08:31] <magespawn> indeed
[08:33] <magespawn> just put together a pc, and the power supply is faulty out of the box
[08:35] <magespawn> that stuff is only supposed to happen on a monday
[08:44] <psyatw> hello magespawn
[08:44] <psyatw> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[08:44] <psyatw> hahaha
[08:46] <magespawn> hi psyatw
[08:56] <magespawn> look like Kilos is calling in sick today
[09:02] <Kilos> sigh
[09:02] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[09:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'ello
[09:04] <Kilos> magespawn, you busy?
[09:08] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[09:09] <magespawn> sort of? what  is the problem?
[09:09] <Kilos> struggling with modem. pc cant even see my old one anymore 
[09:10] <Kilos> dunno if a modem can corrupt the os
[09:11] <magespawn> no it shouldn't
[09:11] <magespawn> how are you online now?
[09:11] <Kilos> it started that showing connected but wasnt again. im using sakis
[09:13] <magespawn> that sounds more like a faulty modem than anything, have you tried them on your win machine
[09:13] <magespawn> ?
[09:13] <Kilos> ya it works there
[09:13] <Kilos> when you get a break dropbox that stuff for me please
[09:14] <magespawn> can you remember the site? i cannot remember the file names
[09:14] <Kilos> oh my lemme look
[09:15] <magespawn> i have the files, but there is a lot in my downloads folder at the moment, do not wwant to give you the wrong files
[09:16] <Kilos> ai! ive reinstalled so that link is gone. lemme try find it again
[09:16] <Kilos> just remember it was an ugly dark site
[09:16] <magespawn> no worries i have found it i think
[09:17] <Kilos> lol
[09:17] <Kilos> 3 of them?
[09:17] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[09:17] <Kilos> hi psyatw 
[09:17] <Kilos> or 2? i forget
[09:17] <Kilos> one must be a flash file
[09:19] <Kilos> finding stuff gets really heavy at times
[09:20] <Kilos> thats why i end up with an overloaded desktop always
[09:21] <magespawn> yup i have them will upload in a sec
[09:22] <Kilos> ty
[09:22] <Kilos> sorry to bug you
[09:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: is it a usb modem?
[09:25] <Kilos> yeah
[09:25] <Kilos> goes for days then crashes everything
[09:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lsusb' in a terminal
[09:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> does it show there?
[09:26] <Kilos> yip
[09:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> probably just a software hiccup then
[09:27] <Kilos> yeah i think its corrupt inside
[09:27] <Kilos> need to flash the vmc stuff off methinks
[09:37] <magespawn> Kilos: busy uloading the files now, will post the link when done
[09:38] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[09:38] <Kilos> ty magespawn 
[09:38] <magespawn> all of these only work through win though
[09:38] <Kilos> the codes are there too hey?
[09:38] <Kilos> thats fine ty
[09:41] <magespawn> what codes are that?
[09:41] <Kilos> unlocking and unbranding
[09:42] <magespawn> yup the software does that
[09:42] <Vince-0> haia
[09:43] <Kilos> aha
[09:44] <magespawn> hey Vince-0
[09:49] <Kilos> hi Trixar_za 
[09:49] <Trixar_za> Hey Kilos, how are you?
[09:50] <Kilos> good ty and you Trixar_za 
[09:50] <Kilos> ?
[09:53] <Trixar_za> Just enjoying some free music by Josh Woodward and thinking about how to get the benefits of case sensitivity while retaining case insensitivity within certain functions. I figure you can just lower the value being checked and value you're checking it against. It should be a simple if statement and at most 3 lines of code.
[09:53] <Kilos> sjoe
[09:54] <Kilos> i thought case sensitivity was good
[09:57] <Trixar_za> It is, but the programmer of the game went a bit to far an made it universal for all text related functions
[09:57] <Kilos> lol
[09:57] <Trixar_za> like in game commands that the players and the GMs use
[09:58] <Trixar_za> So they had a big argument about it yesterday without coming up with a solution instead
[09:58] <Kilos> ai!
[10:03] <Trixar_za> I think the problem comes from them not designating roles properly. They also don't have somebody that takes on the role of the creative director. So the 'heads' of each department in game creation butt heads constantly when one oversteps their boundary.
[10:03] <Kilos> eish
[10:29] <Vince-0> surp durp
[10:29] <Vince-0> looks like RMS is coming to SA
[10:36] <Trixar_za> RMS is coming to SA?
[10:36] <Trixar_za> When and where?
[10:36] <Trixar_za> Would be nice to argue with him in person... er... I mean chat to him in person
[10:37] <Kilos> hehe
[10:37] <Kilos> wbb going to try fix modem
[10:56] <magespawn> Trixar_za: what game?
[11:40] <Kilos> ok now well see how long we stay connected
[11:47] <charl> hi Kilos 
[11:47] <charl> connection problems ?
[11:47] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[11:47]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[11:47] <Kilos> modem probs charl 
[11:47] <charl> ah i see maaz has been fixed
[11:47] <Kilos> or the software that uses it
[11:47] <charl> that sucks Kilos 
[11:47] <Kilos> yeah maaz is going again
[11:51] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[11:51] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[11:51] <Maaz> charl: No problem
[11:51] <charl> Maaz: botsnack
[11:51] <Maaz> Thank you thank you, munch munch chomp chomp
[12:02] <Trixar_za> Hey Kilos, do me a favour and check if mtr --report 106.186.31.159 also gives you ??? or 100% packet loss routes
[12:02] <Kilos> ok sec
[12:03] <Trixar_za> I might have to have a word with the IT people @ 8ta/Telkom Mobile about it :P
[12:03] <Kilos> 5 packets transmitted, 5 received, 0% packet loss, time 4003ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 261.580/261.670/261.755/0.649 ms
[12:03] <Kilos> i used maaz to ping it
[12:04] <Trixar_za> Need to be another 8ta user though
[12:04] <Trixar_za> Needs*
[12:04] <Kilos> my side works?
[12:04] <Kilos> what are you doing wrong
[12:06] <Trixar_za> No clue, but I have dead routes and sometimes it causes about a 30 minute interrupt of service to the Tokyo data center
[12:07] <Kilos> maybe they are having tsuname probs
[12:08] <Trixar_za> Nah, it's not their end. I asked. It has something to do with 8ta from mine.
[12:08] <Kilos> try using maaz to ping it
[12:09] <Kilos> or dont that use your 8ta
[12:11] <Trixar_za> Nope, that uses maaz's connection
 Kilos: 5 packets transmitted, 5 received, 0% packet loss, time 3999ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 866.776/912.171/955.759/32.160 ms
[12:12] <Kilos> QA is the bot on my channel
[12:12] <Kilos> ##kilos
[12:13] <Kilos> must be only 8ta there by you
[12:14] <Vince-0> its like nobody knows about this
[12:14] <Kilos> oh Trixar_za you can mail them and they even come out and check
[12:15] <Vince-0> Trixar_za, http://igg.me/at/rms-za/x/2330662
[12:15] <Trixar_za> That's pretty nice
[12:15] <Vince-0> ya if it was organised a bit better
[12:16] <Vince-0> trying to make a Durban event but I don't think it's going to work
[12:18] <Trixar_za> I'd go to the Cape Town event if it was held here
[12:19] <Trixar_za> I have a pretty nice question for him too
[12:19] <Trixar_za> :P
[12:19] <zeref> hmmm
[12:20] <Kilos> yo zeref 
[12:20] <Trixar_za> "If no GNU tools are included (via the use of replacement tools like BusyBox) with a Linux distribution, should it still be called GNU/Linux and why?"
[12:22] <zeref> hi Kilos 
[12:22] <Vince-0> Trixar_za, ha!
[12:22] <Vince-0> the answer is no
[12:22] <Vince-0> computer says noo
[12:26] <Trixar_za> I would just be interested to hear his opinion because in the past he was against BusyBox because he claimed it copied the behaviour of the GNU CoreUtils (which themselves copied the tools within Commercial Unixes)
[12:28] <Trixar_za> Also what ever happened to GNU's own kernel
[12:29] <Trixar_za> lol, Good luck getting Linus AND Richard in the same place
[12:29] <Trixar_za> riaan3 said 3 days ago
[12:29] <Trixar_za> I will double my donation if you bring Linus with (AWESOME)!
[12:29] <Trixar_za> ^--- lol
[12:35] <Vince-0> ya, GNU hurd is a bit slow - BSD kernel is in Debian
[13:30] <magespawn> Trix[a]r_za: mtr is a usuful tool, thanks for that
[13:34] <magespawn> Kilos: did youget those files?
[13:35] <Kilos> yeah ty magespawn installed and upgraded etc and modem been connected now for
[13:35] <Kilos> 1.5 hours
[13:36] <Kilos> serious discussions going on in the lists
[13:37] <Kilos> why dont you tell them its all about choice
[13:37] <magespawn> what is the discussion about?
[13:38] <Kilos> one is forcing peeps back to sucks and other about distro choice because canonical aint here
[13:38] <Kilos> hehe
[13:38] <Kilos> peeps are funny
[13:39] <Kilos> im not using ubuntu because mark is south african
[13:41] <magespawn> Kilos: exactly, and that forcing back to win is just for certain websites, and honestly it is not that hard to be inclusive when you do a website
[13:42] <Kilos> yeah also some things dont work in linux but so what
[13:46] <Kilos> hi Xethron 
[13:46] <Kilos> one can dual boot to win for those things or run 2 pcs like i do
[14:03] <Xethron> Or Virtual Machine :D
[14:03] <Xethron> Virtual machine is prob the easiest
[14:10] <Kilos> you need a fast pc for that
[14:10] <Kilos> and lotsa ram methinks
[14:35] <Kilos> oh my , i go to all the prob of installing dropbox then find i already have one
[14:36] <Kilos> emaill addy well chosen methinks
[14:36] <Kilos> yo inetpro 
[15:12] <superfly> yeah, sorry, RMS's days are over.
[15:12] <superfly> he now just rants and raves about stuff with no clear evidence
[15:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> superfly!
[15:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> or not... never mind :)
[15:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> kbye all.... happy long weekend!
[15:53] <magespawn> later all home time for me too
[15:54] <Kilos> later magespawn 
[16:41] <Kilos> aw sorry ThatGraemeGuy  missed you trying to make remastersys work
[17:26] <Squirm> hi
[17:39] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[17:39] <Kilos> how is superfly ? still meh or at least meh+ tonight
[18:59] <Kilos> hi not_found 
[19:00] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:00] <not_found> uncle Kilos , alo and bye
[19:00] <Kilos> hehe tomorrow
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