[00:00] <daftykins> cat /proc/cpuinfo
[00:00] <daftykins> cat /proc/meminfo
[00:00] <Adriannom> speaking of bad memory i tested the ram and that's fine
[00:00] <daftykins> sounds like you're using the nouveau graphics driver then?
[00:00] <Adriannom> AMD Phenom(tm) II X2 555 Processor, 8gb ram
[00:00] <daftykins> ok
[00:00] <Adriannom> which one is that?
[00:01] <Adriannom> checking which one now
[00:01] <daftykins> it's the open source nvidia one which'll be in use if you didn't install the nvidia proprietary
[00:01] <Adriannom> 304.88
[00:01] <daftykins> oh ok that's the official nvidia proprietary one then
[00:01] <Adriannom> it's nvidia proprietary
[00:01] <Adriannom> yeah
[00:01] <daftykins> was that offered through additional-drivers?
[00:02] <Adriannom> yeah
[00:02] <daftykins> if it showed any other versions, i'd be tempted to switch around and experiment
[00:02] <Adriannom> interestingly it seems like the problem occurs more frequently with sites like facebook, so i wonder if it's related to any kind of plugin
[00:02] <Adriannom> also it seems to have trouble with fullscreen youtube sometimes
[00:02] <Adriannom> on one of my monitors... not the other
[00:03] <daftykins> mmm
[00:03] <Adriannom> sorry, i should define trouble... i meant the video is quite choppy fullscreen
[00:05] <Adriannom> probably unrelated i guess
[00:05] <Adriannom> actually... maybe it's compiz...
[00:06] <daftykins> well fullscreen would try and use accelerated video rendering/decoding
[00:06] <daftykins> ah-ha
[00:06] <daftykins> that it certainly could be
[00:06] <daftykins> if it leaves browser windows looking white and empty, that'd be a likely MO
[00:06] <Adriannom> damn gnome fallback for not having an alt-tab :P
[00:09] <Adriannom> i'll remove compiz and see if that works, thanks for helping diag daftykins :)
[00:09] <daftykins> np!
[00:48] <ali1234> fnome fallback does have alt-tab
[00:49] <ali1234> it's compiz that doesn't - when you use it outside of unity, you bare a totally bare config with no plugins enabled
[00:50] <ali1234> also "failure to redraw windows" is a compiz bug too
[00:50] <ali1234> specifically one that affects the nvidia driver
[00:50] <daftykins> is it not genuinely worth having the person not quit to keep commenting?
[00:50] <daftykins> :)
[00:51] <daftykins> oops s/genuinely/generally/
[00:52] <ali1234> well he might come back
[00:53] <diddledan> nagios/icinga is noisy when you're reconfiguring stuff
[00:54] <diddledan> don't say "use the downtime feature" because I'm setting it up with a new system without losing the old working system until I'm sure they're reporting the same statuses
[00:56] <diddledan> I guess I should have turned off the notifications until I know it's set up
[00:57] <diddledan> I only thought about that _after_ I had over 2000 emails in my gmail inbox
[01:59] <ali1234> at least with gmail it's easy to clean up
[02:04] <diddledan> indeed
[04:31] <diddledan> why didn't I go to bed last night?!
[04:31] <diddledan> gotta toddle off to work in a couple hours
[04:31] <diddledan> I guess I'll be on the tea, hardcore
[04:39] <diddledan> something weird happened to saucy - needed me to manually install ubuntu-system-settings to clear out dependency issues
[04:42] <diddledan> ok, now it seems to be removing every package I've got on the system
[05:45] <diddledan> I think I'm gonna have to bite the bullet and reinstall
[05:46] <shauno> lol @ hardcore tea
[05:46] <diddledan> yeah, coffe is for wimps
[05:47] <diddledan> coffee*
[05:47] <shauno> :(
[05:48] <diddledan> the good news is I think I got icinga running nicely
[05:49] <shauno> so now it's just everything else that's broken ?
[05:49] <diddledan> yup
[05:49] <diddledan> 28 critical services listed, 10 unknowns and 6 warnings
[05:50] <shauno> gotta catch 'em all ;)
[05:51] <diddledan> just made a change which should eliminate the 10 unknowns
[05:52] <diddledan> ergh, looks like it's just changing them to criticals
[05:53] <diddledan> ok, nrpe hadn't restarted
[06:03] <MooDoo> hello all and happy birthday davmor2
[06:39] <diddledan> this looks like a nice cabinet: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Customer-Service-Demo-Reception-Free-Standing-Computer-Solution-Kiosk-/130961146980?pt=UK_Computing_DesktopPCs&hash=item1e7de48464
[07:19] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: shiny
[07:20] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: keyboard seems worn
[07:20] <diddledan> yeah
[07:41] <popey> morning
[07:41] <MartijnVdS> \o
[08:00] <diddledan> damn, the company I work for has run out of IP Addresses in one of our datacentres - we really need to rebalance things
[08:00] <MartijnVdS> ipv6 time :)
[08:01] <diddledan> I keep suggesting it
[08:01] <MartijnVdS> well you won't be getting any more IPs from RIPE
[08:01] <MartijnVdS> unless you have an IPv6 transition plan (and even then you get a very small block)
[08:05] <diddledan> we need another /28 in each of the two datacentres we colocate in
[08:06] <MartijnVdS> time to start writing that transition plan then ;)
[08:07] <shauno> assuming you're getting them from ripe, and not just buying more addresses from the provider
[08:07] <MartijnVdS> shauno: that provider should be reluctant as well
[08:07] <diddledan> I think we just lease off the datacentre which helps
[08:09] <shauno> I'm kinda curious how transition goes at larger sites.  must be some quiet mayhem
[08:09] <MartijnVdS> shauno: We're dual-stack.
[08:09] <MartijnVdS> (everywhere except a few office machines)
[08:26] <shauno> I was more wondering whether they actually start to use it.  or if "the plan" is just so they can get more v4 assignments
[08:28] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS is very silly and he knows it.
[08:28] <shauno> eg, for the typical multi-node web stack, you don't really need v4 on most machines.  pretty much just the haproxy/nginx frontends?  the application & db servers shouldn't really need it
[08:30] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: On G+ you mean? :)
[08:32] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: yeah
[08:32] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:32] <shauno> reminds me, the ubuntu installer doesn't seem to like it when you only give it a SLAAC address.  slaac+v4 works, dhcpv6+v4 works, and just dhcpv6 works.  but just slaac tells you autoconfiguration failed
[08:32] <MartijnVdS> shauno: that's a bug
[08:33] <MartijnVdS> shauno: have you filed it?
[08:33] <shauno> I haven't.  I had enough things go wrong that day :/
[08:39] <nigelb> davmor2: Happy Birthday!
[08:41] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: today is davmor2 Day, apparently
[08:42] <czajkowski> davmor2: HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!!!
[08:53] <bigcalm> czajkowski: Is that cert post dated 2009?
[08:53] <czajkowski> it's when I got my membership
[08:53] <bigcalm> Or is that a _very_ delayed tweet?
[08:54] <czajkowski> but the certs are new
[08:54] <bigcalm> Oh, okay :)
[09:02] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Friday and happy davmor2 day! :-D
[09:04] <popey> heh
[09:04] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfVsfOSbJY0
[09:05] <JamesTait> MartijnVdS, davmor2's birthday celebrations?
[09:05] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: likely
[09:05] <JamesTait> MartijnVdS, this is the new rick roll, isn't it?
[09:05] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: it's friday! friday!
[09:06] <JamesTait> MartijnVdS, the rebeccablackroll.
[09:10]  * MartijnVdS plays with perlbrew a bit more
[09:12] <shauno> that doesn't sound healthy
[09:13] <MartijnVdS> shauno: it lets me play with 5.18 on an Ubuntu box without replacing /usr/bin/perl
[09:13] <MartijnVdS> http://perldoc.perl.org/perldelta.html :)
[09:13] <shauno> ah yes, I forgot you're One Of Them
[09:17] <MartijnVdS> shauno: nothing wrong with properly modern perl
[09:17] <MartijnVdS> well
[09:17] <MartijnVdS> characters vs bytes could be a bit more Python3-ish
[09:43] <arc__> hi does anyone have any tips on how to make transmission faster
[09:43] <arc__> I have fiber optic on virgin media
[09:44] <MartijnVdS> arc__: by going to preferences, and checking if the port is open
[09:45] <arc__> ok
[09:45] <MartijnVdS> and if it's not, figure out how to open it.
[09:45] <directhex> don't virgin restrict torrent traffic?
[09:45] <MartijnVdS> oh they might
[09:46] <MartijnVdS> (another reason to come to .nl -- ISPs here aren't allowed to do that )
[09:46] <diddledan> directhex: yeah, if not specifically they'll reduce overall service quality after the bdata usage peaks
[09:48] <arc__> I could normally do a 1.3gb in the morning it would take 30/60 mins
[09:48] <MartijnVdS> remember,
[09:48] <MartijnVdS> !piracy
[09:49] <arc__> yes but linux iso ?
[09:49] <diddledan> :-D
[09:50] <arc__> also lindows 7
[09:50] <MartijnVdS> just making sure :)
[09:50] <arc__> ok
[09:50] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[09:51] <arc__> does anyone here have a linux VuDuo pvr box
[09:52] <diddledan> is that a badly typed video?
[09:53] <diddledan> or is there a product called vuduo?
[09:53] <arc__> Vu+ DUO
[09:54] <diddledan> don't know what that is
[09:54] <arc__> quote from box "A smart linux box"
[09:54] <arc__> you can watch tv on it
[09:56] <arc__> Duo = 2 tuners
[09:58] <diddledan> not a bad little unit
[09:59] <arc__> can anyone kidnap me on my sisters wedding
[09:59] <arc__> :0
[10:00] <shauno> is your family rich and gullible?
[10:00] <diddledan> although paired with a normal pc and mythtv-backend & xbmc-pvr on raspberry pi you can build a rig using one of these units: http://www.tbsdtv.com/launch/moi-dvb-s2-streaming-box.html for ~£100 for the receiver, + ~35/pi +desktop pc
[10:01] <arc__> yes on the rich but no on the gullible side
[10:02] <arc__> diddledan: my bro got the box for £129.99 a bit over but still good
[10:04] <arc__> also you can steam it through the home network
[10:09] <arc__> radio silence
[10:11] <arc__> Indian wedding take 2 years prep
[10:11] <arc__> Fact
[10:12] <arc__> would you say it is peak time online at the moment
[10:14] <popey> peak for what?
[10:14] <Seeker`> somewhere in the world, ye
[10:14] <Seeker`> s
[10:14] <arc__> everyone is online in the UK
[10:14] <Seeker`> most people are at work in the UK
[10:15] <arc__> ha summer hols for me
[10:15] <popey> arc__: if you ask a question and nobody replies, it can mean nobody knows the answer, not that they're ignoring or awak
[10:15] <popey> *away
[10:15] <popey> although both of those are possible
[10:15] <diddledan> I'm at work. at home. I didn't finish up with work in time to be able to get to work at a reasonable hour
[10:16]  * popey is on holiday :D
[10:16] <diddledan> lucky get
[10:21] <davmor2> Morning all, thanks for the birthday wishes
[10:22] <Seeker`> davmor2: happy birthday
[10:23] <diddledan> I'm having issues with saucy: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5965885/
[10:23] <davmor2> Apparently this year I get to sell our sensible family car and buy a 2 seater mgb gt or an e-type apparently :)
[10:24] <AlanBell> diddledan: sounds like a "wait a bit" issue
[10:24] <mgdm> davmor2: An E-Type? you made of cash? :)
[10:24] <AlanBell> mid-life crisis \o/
[10:24] <davmor2> mgdm: Hence the mgb gt was listed first
[10:25] <diddledan> AlanBell: yeah, I was hoping it would magically clear up - I crossed my fingers thinking maybe it's in the autobuilder already
[10:25] <arc__> davmor2: Get a mazda rx-8
[10:25] <arc__> or a audi a3
[10:25] <AlanBell> diddledan: I am updating now, no issues
[10:26] <diddledan> AlanBell: I mistakenly tried installing wine1.4 and blindly agreed to the stupid proposal of removing half of my installed packages
[10:26] <diddledan> so I'm trying to recover by reinstalling ubuntu-desktop
[10:26] <davmor2> arc__: What man you come back when you have some taste in cars ;)  It's a mid-life crisis play I'm happy with my 407 estate thanks :)
[10:27] <arc__> davmor2: My family has a audi a4 estate
[10:27] <diddledan> midlife crises require vintage cars
[10:27] <diddledan> or bikes
[10:27] <mgdm> I quite fancy a Jensen Interceptor, mostly based on the name
[10:27] <mgdm> also they look quite cool
[10:28] <diddledan> if a bike then it needs to fire once every other lamppost. none of this modern japanese poo that sounds like a bumblebee
[10:28] <mgdm> they also stopped making them 7 years before I was born
[10:28] <arc__> get a DeLorean DMC-12
[10:28] <mgdm> diddledan: see, my problem with bikes like that is that they constantly sound like they're farting
[10:28] <mgdm> diddledan: so it'sdifficult to take them seriously
[10:29] <arc__> lol
[10:29] <diddledan> mgdm: you've not heard a proper british classic then
[10:29] <mgdm> diddledan: probably not
[10:29] <diddledan> tickover is something like 30 seconds between explosions
[10:29] <diddledan> I jest, but that's the idea
[10:30] <mgdm> hehe
[10:31] <davmor2> mgdm, diddledan: If I had a choice it would be a BSA model 4 or an a7 bike, an E-type jaguar just cause it's the best looking car EVER!!!! or the poor mans E-type in the mgb gt or at a push a triumph stag
[10:31] <davmor2> oh or the mallard obviously thats a bit harder to park
[10:32] <mgdm> It's almost a shame that Jaguar wouldn't lend the James Bond producers an E-Type, so they ended up with the Aston...
[10:32] <mgdm> I mean it's a nice car, but it's not an E-Type
[10:33] <diddledan> I'm not sure you can class it as "lend" when you get it back scorched and dented
[10:33] <diddledan> or outright crushed
[10:33] <arc__> :)
[10:35] <diddledan> pnp4nagios makes some nice purdy graphs when combined with icinga
[10:35] <davmor2> diddledan: Yeah but look at the ridiculous level of astin sales after goldfinger  just think that could of been E-type then there would be more on the road for mid-life crisiseseseses
[10:35] <mgdm> :D
[10:35] <diddledan> davmor2: good point.
[10:35] <mgdm> yeah, you have to take the long view
[10:37] <davmor2> diddledan, mgdm: there is this of course http://www.lyonheart.com/gallery/lyonheart-k-coupe.html
[10:37] <shauno> and they'd be several times the price :/
[10:37] <bubu> diddledan: use graphite and something like descartes
[10:37] <bubu> _much_ prettier
[10:37] <davmor2> when you finish drooling
[10:38] <davmor2> a nice modern twist on the E-type
[10:39] <mgdm> Oh, very nice
[10:40] <davmor2> mgdm: just don't look at the price it's scary
[10:41] <arc__> it looks like a nice car
[11:04] <czajkowski> aquarius: where is good to stay in Birmingham ?
[11:04] <czajkowski> hotel wise
[11:05] <aquarius> I don't know much about hotels in Birmingham, because, er, I've only stayed there a couple of times -- if I'm in Birmingham, I come home :)
[11:05] <MartijnVdS> I only stayed in one, and it was OK
[11:05] <aquarius> but I've stayed in the Premier Inn on Broad Street a couple of New Years Eves
[11:06] <aquarius> basic, but cheap, and close to all the Saturday night nightlife :)
[11:06] <mgdm> I tend to find premier inns aren't objectionable
[11:06] <aquarius> having said this, my priority there, since it was on my own dime, was: as cheap as possible, especially since I was landing into the place at about half two in the morning and leaving again at 8 :)
[11:09] <davmor2> czajkowski: the hilton and hyatt hotels are fairly good /me slopes off after recommending the two most expensive hotel in Birminghamshire
[11:09] <czajkowski> need to be near http://hackference.co.uk/location
[11:11] <davmor2> czajkowski: type this "hotels near floodgate street birmingham" into google and pick one :)
[11:11] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: have you tried looking at the map at booking.com? Their reviews tend to be accurate as well
[11:13] <czajkowski> aye will do just said I'd ask in case anyone had any recommendations
[11:13] <czajkowski> davmor2: I'm invading :)
[11:13] <czajkowski> davmor2: were you down here this week
[11:13] <czajkowski> met jpugh yesterday
[11:13] <czajkowski> he looked very confused seeing me in canonical :)
[11:14] <davmor2> czajkowski: No it's part of the phone sprint season I think,  I can image :)
[11:14] <mgdm> czajkowski: how are you finding 10Gen?
[11:15] <czajkowski> mgdm: loving it :)
[11:15] <czajkowski> was out for dinner with the canonical girls last night so still friendly with everyone :)
[11:15] <czajkowski> being kept busy as well
[11:15] <czajkowski> hopig to get to more events to meet people
[11:16] <czajkowski> current issue is reivewing all the proposals for sponsorship
[11:16] <czajkowski> which is nice to read but so many
[11:16] <czajkowski> and a lot assume if you sposor before you'll do again
[11:16] <czajkowski> wich we do
[11:16] <czajkowski> but nice to share it around
[11:16] <aquarius> czajkowski, I think the Old Crown does rooms, and that's a good pub and right near the venue
[11:16] <czajkowski> meeting new types of developers and working closly with sales which is very new t me
[11:16] <czajkowski> aquarius: excellent
[11:16] <czajkowski> shall sta you for a pint if you're about :)
[11:17] <aquarius> the hackference chap was trying to convince me to drop by :)
[11:17] <aquarius> but Niamh's here that weekend, so it's not likely.
[11:17] <czajkowski> nods
[11:17] <czajkowski> so no pints :(
[11:17] <czajkowski> wanted to see some of these pubs you tweet about
[11:18] <aquarius> ha! Those pubs are in Stourbridge, not Birmingham
[11:18] <czajkowski> bah
[11:18] <MartijnVdS> aquarius: for when you don't want to be recognised? ;)
[11:18] <aquarius> if you're out for beers in Brum, then the Old Crown's not bad, which is near where hackference is; in the centre, I like the Wellington, the Post Office Vaults, the Brewdog place, the Old Joint Stock.
[11:23] <czajkowski> hotels that charge for wifi suck donkey balls
[11:23] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: the cheaper the hotel, the free-er the wifi, in my experience
[11:24] <czajkowski> indeed
[11:25] <davmor2> czajkowski: you need to get a train to sandwell and Dudley and go to the pie factory :)
[11:30] <shauno> mmmm pie
[11:30] <diddledan> 'lo bob
[11:30] <davmor2> shauno: more import desperate dan cow pie
[11:35] <shauno> not sure I'd want to see them making desperate dan pies
[11:36] <diddledan> I'm not volunteering to find out how they're made
[11:37] <shauno> I think seeing them turn cows into circles would ruin the magic.  I'm quite happy to leave the wizard behind the curtain on that one
[11:38] <davmor2> shauno: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PX1CUVJISc0/TIyqHVkO_II/AAAAAAAAFLU/Mg4OvW8b2jI/s400/Desperate+Dan+4lb+pie.jpg
[11:39] <AlanBell> probably easier to start with a spherical cow
[11:39] <bigcalm> davmor2: Looks better than the Pie Factory's version
[11:40] <davmor2> bigcalm: that is a shot in the pie factory of a pir factory DD cow pie :)
[11:40] <bigcalm> Oh, have they changed the horns?
[11:41] <davmor2> bigcalm: no idea it's just he first image that appeared on a google search
[11:44] <davmor2> bigcalm: We'll have to go there again to compare the image, when you on honeymoon that'll be a good week to go I'm sure :D I'm only thinking of your diet ;)
[11:45] <bigcalm> :P
[11:45] <bigcalm> davmor2: 28th October ->
[11:47] <davmor2> bigcalm: not sure I can wait that long :D
[13:05] <mibofra_cell> I guys :))
[13:05] <mibofra_cell> How are you?
[13:05] <mibofra_cell> *P.S. Do you have new suggestions xD?
[13:13] <diddledan> o_O
[13:14] <MooDoo> mibofra_cell: can you be a little clearer in what you want?
[13:14] <MooDoo> ask!
[13:14] <MooDoo> !ask
[13:14] <bigcalm> !ping
[13:14] <bigcalm> !ding
[13:15] <diddledan> !woof
[13:15] <diddledan> bah, lubotu3 sucks
[13:15] <MooDoo> !omgitsfridayandpeoplehavegonemad
[13:16] <cocoa117> what does the POSIX manual for the utilities for?
[13:16] <mibofra_cell> Sorry xD yesterday someone has tried to help me with a long question I can't report (on smartphone) 'cos too long too right xD
[13:16] <diddledan> friday ftw
[13:16] <mibofra_cell> Anyway did someone upgrade mysql today?
[13:17] <MooDoo> this is a global channel mibofra_cell upgrade Mysql where?  On my server?  On yours?
[13:18] <mibofra_cell> On a server, everything can run mysql
[13:18] <MooDoo> I think you need to be a little clearer, you just asked if someone upgraded mysql today...no i didn't did you?
[13:18] <diddledan> I installed two mysql servers today
[13:23] <mibofra_cell> I've upgrated to ver 13.04.2 of the package mysql-server-5.5 and I couldn't start mysql from init script alias upstart job, the error log /var/log/mysql/error.log says that mysqld has been tried to start by init script with too much arguments (one of the too much ones is start for the log). So I've donwgraded to ver 13.04.1 version all mysql packages
[13:24] <mibofra_cell> diddledan did you experienced something like this?
[13:26] <diddledan> nope, I'm not sure what you mean by "start for the log"
[13:27] <diddledan> mysql is started with `service mysql start` or even more succinctly just `start mysql`
[13:29] <shauno> just to clarify, 12.04 or 13.04?
[13:31] <mibofra_cell> I don't remember now the words the log used but anyway it notified me the arguments was extra; after the error was showen first in the output of apt-get I've tried manually to start mysql with both commands but with the same results
[13:32] <mibofra_cell> 13.10 xD (upgraded from 13.04 months ago), mysql packages are only in the 13.04 repo no
[13:32] <mibofra_cell> *now
[13:32] <mibofra_cell> **the moust recent ones
[13:34] <diddledan> someone tell me why aether and miasma .ec2.bangdynamics.com aren't responding to ping but otherwise are fine - they're hosted on amazon ec2 and the security group lists the world as being able to ping them (I believe - paste coming)
[13:34] <diddledan> PERMISSION	********************	default	ALLOWS	icmp	0	-1	FROM	CIDR	0.0.0.0/0	ingress
[13:35] <diddledan> I hope that didn't screw everyone up too much
[13:35] <diddledan> it's only one line, hence why I pasted it here instead of paste.ubuntu.com
[13:36] <diddledan> no hacking, please
[13:37] <shauno> :(
[13:37] <dwatkins> not all servers/firewalls allow ping.
[13:38] <mibofra_cell> Lol someone notified my error in mailing list xD (Italian one)
[13:38] <mibofra_cell> In this moment...
[13:38] <mibofra_cell> ...I'm gonna help him xD
[13:48] <diddledan> dwatkins: they were hapilly responding to ping until pretty much dead on 1400
[13:50] <dwatkins> diddledan: yeah, I have no idea if Amazon change this sort of setting, but it does suggest a problem.
[14:05] <shauno> mibofra_cell: what's the exact version of the mysql package you have ?
[14:06] <shauno> mibofra_cell: I think you're looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mysql-5.5/+bug/1210383   seems you've grabbed a package from -proposed and got bitten
[14:16] <mibofra_cell> Yes I think it's my bug
[14:17] <mibofra_cell> But it's expanded after installation process too
[14:29] <shauno> yeah, that's mentioned too.   the package is a proposed update that failed verification.  it's not in the regular repos for a reason
[15:21] <diddledan> so amazon came back online again
[15:21] <diddledan> no changes made by me from start to finish
[15:21] <diddledan> just random icmp black hole
[15:22] <daftykins> 0o
[15:22] <daftykins> keeping you on your toes
[15:23] <diddledan> went off at 1300Z and came back at 1445Z
[15:24] <diddledan> makes a nice fat block of downtime appear in my graphs
[15:27] <Azelphur> hey folks, woke up this morning, and my mouse pointer is totally useless, can't click on anything, if I try and run anything that grabs the mouse like xwininfo, it says that it's unable to grab the pointer, so I guess something has grabbed my pointer, suggestions?
[15:28] <mgdm> reboot?
[15:28] <daftykins> that's not true Linux advice! ;)
[15:29] <mgdm> well, restart lightdm then :P
[15:29] <Azelphur> was hoping to avoid that, this happens semi regularly
[15:29] <diddledan> amiga + synergy screweyness?
[15:30] <diddledan> speaking of synergy. I've just received an email from them
[15:42] <Azelphur> gah this is so frustrating, I have messages and I can't read them because of this bug :@
[15:43] <mgdm> alt-tab not helping?
[15:43] <Azelphur> nope, doesn't work, it appears to be blocked
[15:44] <Azelphur> I think it might have been skype that caused it, I killed skype and my functionality came back for a matter of seconds before locking again
[15:44] <daftykins> won't reconnecting a peripheral force that kind of stuff into sorting itself out?
[15:45] <Azelphur> nope tried disconnecting and reconnecting the mouse, no dice.
[15:45] <Azelphur> there's a key, XF86Ungrab that's supposed to force whatever it is to let go, but that doesn't work either.
[15:48] <Azelphur> woo, I got it back
[15:48] <Azelphur> dropped to a tty after killing skype, came back, and it seems to have released
[15:48] <Azelphur> stupid skype.
[15:50] <daftykins> ;)
[15:51] <daftykins> your setup always has funky quirks ^_^
[15:51] <Azelphur> yup :(
[15:51] <daftykins> right, quick nip to the coffee shop 20 seconds from my front door \o/
[15:51] <Azelphur> hoping all the quirks will disappear when I go ATI and one big screen
[15:51] <daftykins> D:!
[15:51] <Azelphur> daftykins: that is, software wise
[15:51] <daftykins> i thought ATI drivers seemed to be even further hellish
[15:51] <Azelphur> physically 4 screens :)
[15:51] <Azelphur> nvidia purposefully bricks multimonitor support to try and sell quadro cards
[15:56] <diddledan> ati eyefinity ftw
[15:56] <diddledan> although they need to hurry up and create a wayland/mir driver
[15:56] <Azelphur> hehe
[15:56] <diddledan> my system runs far too hot on the opensource drivers
[15:57] <Azelphur> yea, the open drivers are noisey as all hell too
[15:58] <daftykins> A comparison of coffee shops
[15:59] <daftykins> 1) Costa - "no sorry you have to have a lid, health and safety"
[15:59] <daftykins> 2) Woodies (a local one) - sure no problem
[15:59] <daftykins> ^_^
[16:00] <brobostigon> 3) weatherspoons - are you a cheapo ?
[16:00] <daftykins> XD
[16:00] <daftykins> would they really charge you less not to have one? :>
[16:00] <brobostigon> not a chance.
[16:00] <daftykins> we don't have them over here
[16:01] <brobostigon> wow, most places i have been in the uk, have had one.
[16:01] <daftykins> Guernsey isn't the UK :)
[16:02] <brobostigon> ah, that explains that then :)
[16:02] <daftykins> *nods*
[16:02] <brobostigon> :)
[16:02] <daftykins> some of our English vibe facts of late are growing though
[16:02] <daftykins> such as having two Costa coffee branches
[16:03] <daftykins> two big supermarkets are now Waitrose owned
[16:03] <brobostigon> or too many tesco's.
[16:03] <daftykins> still haven't got a tesco :)
[16:03] <popey> i flew over guernsey yesterday
[16:03] <daftykins> i used to like their sandwich selection at Uni time
[16:03] <brobostigon> we have three now.
[16:03] <daftykins> popey: ooh, did you get a nice view of our wee triangular home?
[16:04] <popey> heh, didnt spot that
[16:04] <daftykins> ^_^
[16:04] <daftykins> there've been so many cruise ships in this summer
[16:05] <daftykins> high street gets full of aimless tourists in bouts ;)
[16:05] <daftykins> all the French seem to like taking pics of the Victor Hugo's Boulangerie pastry/cake/etc shop
[16:06] <popey> wasnt a bad flight really
[16:06] <popey> given it's easyjet
[16:06] <daftykins> :D
[16:06] <popey> surly staff as usual
[16:07] <daftykins> shocks me how they make you wear a jacket even if you're carrying it
[16:07] <daftykins> super tight rules
[16:07] <daftykins> i think that was them anyway, flew to Cork in Ireland once
[16:07] <popey> i think they're inconsistent with the application of their rules
[16:08] <daftykins> probably mind-numbing to enforce
[16:28] <daftykins> there are still such minor issues coming up in #ubuntu all the time
[16:37] <popey> keep forgetting to re-join #ubuntu
[16:38] <daftykins> it's probably safer to avoid
[16:38] <daftykins> despite helping for years i still get ops on my ass for the slightest of transgressions
[16:39] <daftykins> oh sorry, did that guy celebrate that i got his issue resolved after he'd slaved on it for 24hrs?
[16:39] <daftykins> kinda horrifies me really
[16:39] <directhex> community!
[16:39] <daftykins> what community? :)
[16:41] <Azelphur> https://www.dropbox.com/s/5lts9gf3q963p1i/timelapse2.mp4 updated my timelapse again, has sunrise now too :D
[16:42] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: what's the "night light" at 00:13
[16:43] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: that's a street, with street lamps, and cars.
[16:43] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: no in the background
[16:43] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: some sort of cloud outline?
[16:43] <Azelphur> hmm, I don't ese anything
[16:44] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: around 0:11 it goes completely dark
[16:44] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: oh hey, you can see the reflection of my room
[16:44] <MartijnVdS> then around 0:13 the backgrouind lights up
[16:44] <popey> bah, so many people joining twitter now wwith @popey* names, I keep getting hilighted incorrectly
[16:44] <MartijnVdS> then at 0:15 it goes away
[16:44] <Azelphur> that's my sofa
[16:44] <Azelphur> xD
[16:44] <popey> the same problem aquarius has
[16:44] <popey> but his is more pronounced
[16:44] <MartijnVdS> more.. "Aqute"
[16:44] <aquarius> yes indeed it is more pronounced.
[16:45] <Azelphur> will have to do something about the reflection
[16:45] <Azelphur> popey: did you see my popeycam? :P
[16:45] <popey> no
[16:45] <Azelphur> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/Azelphur :)
[16:46] <Azelphur> webcam pointing out the window in my front room
[16:46] <popey> doesnt work here
[16:46] <popey> black box
[16:46] <Azelphur> flash player?
[16:46] <aquarius> popey, you back from hols?
[16:47] <popey> ya
[16:47] <popey> flew back yesterday
[16:47] <aquarius> crap, innit. I am too :)
[16:47] <Azelphur> popey: black box, probably just needs a refresh, flash player breaks for me like that sometimes too
[16:47] <popey> tried that
[16:48] <popey> yt works
[16:48] <Azelphur> weird
[16:49] <Azelphur> popey: you can look at the time lapse video instead from the webcam, https://www.dropbox.com/s/5lts9gf3q963p1i/timelapse2.mp4:P
[16:49] <Azelphur> https://www.dropbox.com/s/5lts9gf3q963p1i/timelapse2.mp4 oops.
[16:50] <popey> yeah, looks good
[16:50] <popey> shame it's out of focus
[16:50] <popey> seems focussed on the window
[16:50] <Azelphur> yea, dunno how I could fix that
[16:50] <popey> or its a crap camera ☻
[16:50] <popey> put it closer to the window
[16:50] <popey> like attached
[16:51] <Azelphur> can't, it has that ring around the bottom http://pressbox.co.uk/images/logos/346102_edimax-wireless-802.11n-dual-mode-pan-tilt-internet-camera-with-1.3m-pixels-lens-ic-7000ptn-l.jpg
[16:51] <Azelphur> so it's always like an inch away from the window
[16:51] <Azelphur> unless I propped it up at an angle somehow
[16:51]  * Azelphur shall try that
[16:51] <popey> ahh
[16:51] <MartijnVdS> does it run custom firmwaR?E
[16:51] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: nope, stock
[16:51] <popey> put it outside ☻
[16:52] <popey> how did you stream to ustream from it?
[16:52] <Azelphur> haha, it's not waterproof
[16:52] <Azelphur> popey: ffmpeg rtsp :)
[16:52] <popey> nice
[16:52] <popey> can i see the command line?
[16:52] <popey> i would love to do that
[16:53] <Azelphur> ./ffmpeg -r 7 -i "http://admin:1234@192.168.1.120/mjpg/video.mjpg" -filter:v "scale=640:480,crop=640:360:60:0" -f flv "${RTMP_URL}/${KEY} flashver=FME/2.5\20(compatible;\20FMSc\201.0)"
[16:53] <Azelphur> it was really tricky getting the framerate right, because mjpg has no framerate info
[16:53] <Azelphur> I basically hard coded 7, which is a tad faster than real time, the stream stops to catch up occasionally.
[16:55] <popey> ah
[16:55] <popey> cool
[16:55] <popey> thanks
[16:56] <Azelphur> nope, getting it pressed up against the glass didn't do much
[16:56] <Azelphur> but then, it is at an angle
[17:01] <popey> oh, stream is working now
[17:01] <popey> to be fair it's a cheap camera and it's a long way from the subject
[17:01] <popey> nice view though
[17:03] <daftykins> Azelphur: is it the same place as the bad landlord or did you move?
[17:03] <Azelphur> daftykins: he evicted me :)
[17:03] <daftykins> !
[17:03] <daftykins> that's quite harsh
[17:04] <Azelphur> yea
[17:04] <daftykins> due to anything legit?
[17:04] <Azelphur> nope
[17:04] <Azelphur> due to me complaining about him being a fraudster.
[17:04] <daftykins> i guess that'll do it
[17:04] <Azelphur> he also filed a false police report against me
[17:04] <daftykins> O_O
[17:04] <Azelphur> that company is pretty nuts.
[17:04] <MartijnVdS> what did he accuse you of?
[17:04] <daftykins> does indeed sound like grade-A nutcase-ery
[17:04] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: he called the police and told them that I was apparently going to smash the place up before I left
[17:05] <Azelphur> so I had the police on my doorstep one morning to give me a lecture.
[17:05] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: ugh..
[17:05] <daftykins> D:
[17:06] <Azelphur> yea, was pretty ridiculous
[17:06] <Azelphur> I think I have the recording of the police turning up somewhere, will dig it out
[17:06] <daftykins> hrmm are you allowed to do that 0o
[17:06] <Azelphur> daftykins: are you allowed to record in your own home? absolutely
[17:06] <Azelphur> especially when you tell em clear as day you're recording
[17:07] <MartijnVdS> they record the streets anyway
[17:07] <daftykins> all the main bits except mine ¬_¬
[17:07] <daftykins> so i get fun crimes and people relieving themselves of a weekend
[17:07] <daftykins> which commences... now!
[17:08] <MartijnVdS> \o/ weekend
[17:08] <Azelphur> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3832397/misc/2013/Mar/Scanned%20Document.jpg that's when he evicted me :p
[17:09] <Azelphur> https://www.dropbox.com/s/3d5w6vxjca9m6fy/Rec_2013-04-16-%2811-11-08%29.3gp there we go, that's the coppers turning up
[17:11] <daftykins> ugh i have audio only, codec issues
[17:11] <Azelphur> daftykins: that's because it's audio only
[17:12] <Azelphur> :P
[17:12] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: No it's a codec issue!
[17:12] <Azelphur> ok then!
[17:12] <Azelphur> If you get the video, let me know!
[17:12] <daftykins> Azelphur: oooo
[17:12] <Azelphur> lol
[17:12] <MartijnVdS> http://www.reddit.com/r/vxjunkies
[17:12] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: ^ those people should be able to help out
[17:13] <daftykins> with?
[17:13] <MartijnVdS> getting the video out
[17:13] <daftykins> i really don't get you.
[17:14] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[17:14] <daftykins> your odd style of humour just feels like great time wasting :(
[17:14] <MartijnVdS> :(
[17:14] <MartijnVdS> well, VXJunkies *is* time-wasting. I have to agree.
[17:15] <MartijnVdS> it's people making up ever more complex fake-tech stories about their fake hobby :)
[17:15] <MartijnVdS> so yeah.
[17:15] <daftykins> 0o
[17:16] <daftykins> Azelphur: would've hoped coppers would be able to tell you're not the type for wanton destruction from seeing you really eh :(
[17:16] <daftykins> but then i guess it takes all sorts
[17:16] <Azelphur> yea, I'm not exactly the wanton destruction type
[17:17] <daftykins> maybe once you get your AMD card... ;D
[17:17] <Azelphur> hehe
[17:17] <Azelphur> sadly I never ended up going after my LL legally, with the banks trying to rob me and wotnot.
[17:17] <Azelphur> I get all the luck
[17:17] <daftykins> LL?
[17:17] <MartijnVdS> landlord
[17:17] <Azelphur> landlord
[17:17] <daftykins> ah
[17:22] <MartijnVdS> does anyone have laptop battery tips? Mine seems to not want to charge >85%
[17:23] <daftykins> is that even after a full discharge?
[17:24] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: that's what I'm trying now
[17:24] <MartijnVdS> the discharge part
[17:24] <daftykins> is it old?
[17:25] <MartijnVdS> 2-3 years or something
[17:25] <MartijnVdS> let me check the charge cycle count
[17:26] <MartijnVdS> hm, unavailable
[17:27] <daftykins> D:
[17:27] <daftykins> the rabbit hole deepens...
[17:28] <MartijnVdS> but the windows tool claims battery performance is "good"
[17:28] <MartijnVdS> maybe I should start saving up money for a haswell ultrabook or something
[17:29] <daftykins> ^_^
[17:29] <daftykins> their battery efficiency would be tempting alone
[17:29] <MartijnVdS> yeah, 8 hours I read somewhere?
[17:31] <daftykins> err
[17:31] <daftykins> *shrug* :)
[17:31] <daftykins> my 13" Asus already pulls off 8-10hrs
[17:31] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: much more than the 3-ish I get now
[17:31] <daftykins> ouch
[17:32] <daftykins> whenever i've put ubuntu on a laptop i've owned they've been utterly terrible for battery life
[17:32] <MartijnVdS> "i3 330M"
[17:32] <daftykins> ah pretty early then
[17:32] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: it's been getting better over the years
[17:32] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: 4.10 was HORRIBLE, 12.04 is only slightly worse than windows
[17:35] <popey> its pretty comparable for me on 13.04
[17:35] <popey> i dual boot windows and ubuntu on this laptop
[17:36] <MartijnVdS> popey: I've upgraded it to saucy, but as I said, the battery is going wonky
[17:36] <popey> oh yeah, on saucy now
[17:36] <popey> pondering installing xmir
[17:38] <Azelphur> xmir works now?
[17:39] <popey> http://ubuntu-discourse.org/t/xmir-now-available-on-saucy/918
[17:39] <popey> just saw that earlier
[17:40] <MartijnVdS> Does it support multi-monitor
[17:40] <MartijnVdS> ?
[17:40] <Azelphur> cool
[17:40] <MartijnVdS> - Multi-monitor mirror mode works, but screen resolution changes not well
[17:40] <MartijnVdS> handled
[17:41] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1102760
[17:42] <daftykins> haha
[17:42] <daftykins> early days
[17:43] <Azelphur> be interesting to see if it works on ubuntu touch
[17:43] <popey> it will soon
[17:44] <Azelphur> cool
[17:47] <daftykins> i might boot a live distro on my desktop, i've not checked out the last 2 or 3 years of distros natively
[18:13] <Azelphur> people riding horses about to go by on my live stream :D http://www.ustream.tv/channel/Azelphur
[18:13] <Azelphur> gotta be cool riding a horse on the beach today xD
[18:15] <Azelphur> heh, they went full gallop and shot off, got a picture though https://www.dropbox.com/s/rqio8jwvbt84gqf/2013-08-09%2019.13.23.jpg :P
[18:15] <Azelphur> fun fun
[18:18] <daftykins> i prefer the foreground mode of transport
[18:18] <daftykins> which can be risky due to the output of the background mode often appearing on the road in front of the fore
[18:25] <directhex> i have a horse allergy
[18:27] <MartijnVdS> directhex: how often does that come up though?
[18:28] <directhex> on Azelphur's beach"
[18:28] <Azelphur> hehe
[18:28] <MartijnVdS> directhex: good point, but how often are you there? ;)
[18:33] <popey> cant remember the last time i went to that beack
[18:33] <popey> *beach
[18:33] <popey> maybe 10 years
[18:47] <daftykins> yeah i'm not fond of horses, we were forced along to events as a kid when my mum had one
[18:47] <daftykins> was not fond.
[19:47] <Guest30230> hi, i have a quick question. the dell developers edition seems to list the killer wireless on the dell website. i thought it had an intel wireless that had issues? is this an update?
[19:49] <daftykins> perhaps Dell are more qualified to answer?
[19:52] <Guest30230> yep and i will contact them tomorrow when their online :)  just thought someone here might know
[19:53] <daftykins> they look kinda nice those systems
[19:53] <Guest30230> i can only find reviews online with the intel wireless card listed in the spec. and people saying it had wireless issues.
[19:53] <daftykins> although i'd wait until they make a haswell edition since imo laptops are primarily about battery life
[19:53] <Guest30230> so maybe its a nice update
[19:55] <Guest30230> is true and the  Schenker S413  should be in the uk in few weeks
[19:57] <MartijnVdS> my battery is almost empty now 8-)
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> 0.5Wh left, 2 minutes
[19:58] <Guest30230> no optimums  :P
[19:58] <Guest30230> *optimus
[19:59] <MartijnVdS> Guest30230: optimus--
[19:59] <MartijnVdS> ooh, laptop switched off
[20:00] <daftykins> MartijnVdS: \o/
[20:00] <daftykins> MartijnVdS: does the system BIOS have any of that battery conditioning lark?
[20:00] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: no
[20:00] <daftykins> i don't put much stock in them anyway in fairness
[20:00] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: it just turns on the screen and runs an infinite loop to use up CPU power
[20:00] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: afaicty
[20:00] <MartijnVdS> -y
[20:01] <daftykins> haha just booted my ancient sony ultra-portable
[20:01] <daftykins> 1.2GHz intel core solo, 1GB RAM, XP
[20:01] <MartijnVdS> aww :)
[20:02] <daftykins> someone suggested it make more sense to fiddle with than acquiring a raspberry pi or some such ^_^
[20:02] <daftykins> certainly makes sense not to spend when you have spares!
[20:02] <MartijnVdS> it's also faster 8-)
[20:03] <daftykins> yip
[20:03] <daftykins> it's a shame it uses such a crazy hard disk type
[20:03] <daftykins> the zif PATA ones early iPods used
[20:03] <daftykins> so it isn't practical to spend any money on
[20:03] <MartijnVdS> does it still work though?
[20:04] <daftykins> yeah
[20:04] <popey> Guest30230: the dell laptop doesnt have intel wireless
[20:04] <daftykins> just horrifically slow
[20:04] <popey> Guest30230: and dell are replacing customer wireless cards for those that fail
[20:04] <Guest30230> ok :) thanks
[20:05] <popey> Guest30230: they're lovely machines, especially the new generation ones with 1080p screen
[20:05] <MartijnVdS> Woo, http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cantripgames/story-war-the-storytelling-party-game will be shipping soon
[20:05] <popey> yay
[20:05] <popey> punched my address in today
[20:05] <MartijnVdS> yeah, just got the mail
[20:07] <Clujore> Hello
[20:07] <popey> hi
[20:07] <daftykins> hi, welcome
[20:07] <Clujore> I want to download this ubuntu-uk screencast: https://thepiratebay.sx/torrent/5008235/screencasts
[20:07] <Clujore> there is not any seeder!
[20:08] <Guest30230> the specs here http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/04/it-just-works-dell-xps-13-developer-edition-linux-ultrabook-review/ and the spec on the dell site are not the same http://www.dell.com/uk/business/p/xps-13-linux/pd#overrides=
[20:08] <popey> Guest30230: they change their specs now and then
[20:08] <popey> and that 2013/04 is old
[20:08] <Guest30230> ::)
[20:09] <popey> Clujore: whats the description? I can't load that page
[20:09] <daftykins> popey: A few screencasts detailing how we edit and mix the Ubuntu UK Podcast using free software.
[20:09] <Guest30230> nice soemone should review the new specs
[20:10] <popey> Guest30230: someone from the ubuntu uk podcast will soon
[20:10] <popey> thanks daftykins
[20:10] <popey> Clujore: i have those videos...
[20:10] <daftykins> my pleasure
[20:10] <MartijnVdS> http://tonywhitmore.co.uk/blog/2008/07/22/mixing-a-podcast-in-ardour/ ?
[20:10] <MartijnVdS> http://screencasts.ubuntu.com/Mixing_A_Podcast_In_Ardour_-_Part_1 ?
[20:10] <popey> there you go
[20:10] <popey> the screencasts.ubuntu.com should work
[20:11] <Clujore> popey: it's a torrent file! As I know, UK government has blocked piratebay services. you should try with VPN. however, this is the descrption: A few screencasts detailing how we edit and mix the Ubuntu UK Podcast using free software
[20:11] <popey> yes, my isp blocks it
[20:11] <MartijnVdS> Clujore: You don't need the torrent, you can use the screencasts.ubuntu.com link
[20:11] <Clujore> let me check that page
[20:12] <popey> there's a download link on the page for a theora video
[20:13] <Clujore> popey: found, thanks
[20:15] <Clujore> MartijnVdS: popey, what abut their trainig quality?
[20:15] <popey> they're good, but (oh my) 5 years old!
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> popey: time for some new ones
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> :P
[20:16] <daftykins> somewhat ironic to pursue illegal channels for open things
[20:16] <daftykins> :)
[20:16] <popey> illegal channels?
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> the pirate bays
[20:16] <popey> oh
[20:17] <Clujore> MartijnVdS: haha, I'm out of UK realm!
[20:17] <daftykins> what a blast from the past this feels, operating XP
[20:18] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: rename the machine 'TARDIS'
[20:18] <daftykins> nah, 'cause then i might look like a Whovian
[20:18] <daftykins> and i wouldn't want that :(
[20:19] <MartijnVdS> DeLorean?
[20:19] <daftykins> hmm on second thought, i shall nuke XP to use the fastest part of the already dire disk
[20:19] <daftykins> :>
[20:20] <daftykins> ooh i should crystaldiskmark it for comedy value
[20:20] <MartijnVdS> also, 3dmark
[20:20] <daftykins> what browser did i have on here last...
[20:20] <daftykins> 17!
[20:20] <MartijnVdS> 17?
[20:20] <daftykins> firefox sorry
[20:21] <MartijnVdS> could've been chrome ;)
[20:21] <daftykins> nah
[20:21] <daftykins> didn't use it back then
[20:21] <daftykins> oop fan's kicking in
[20:23] <daftykins> 24MB/sec read and write sequential
[20:24] <daftykins> pretty shabby
[20:38] <daftykins> i like the way XP has gone senile on this system
[20:38] <daftykins> it's giving a 'connected to a wireless network' icon for the disconnected wired interface
[20:39] <popey> it does the opposite too
[20:39] <popey> telling you the wire is disconnected from a wireless connection
[20:39] <daftykins> never seen it at all :)
[20:40] <daftykins> so glad i don't have to deal with XP anymore
[20:41] <daftykins> i wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft end up giving it a stay of execution come April
[20:41] <daftykins> but i hope they don't
[20:56] <DJones> Ooh, perfect time to change tv chanels, ITV4 Apocolypse Now & Ride of The Valkeries
[23:37] <Azelphur> wow, I just spent ages writing out a 5 page document
[23:37] <Azelphur> hit save, and openoffice just crashes.
[23:37] <Azelphur> nice.
[23:38] <Azelphur> oh wait, it was abiword.
[23:43] <Azelphur> wow, and it's totally mangled the ODT
[23:43] <Azelphur> remind me to never use abiword, ever.
[23:44] <Azelphur> that's a fair few hours down the drain.
[23:46] <daftykins> D:
[23:46] <daftykins> :(