[07:38] <cub> OvenWerks, I suppose you know the best answer to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2166382 ?
[08:01] <zequence> cub: Since the menu is custom, each application needs to be put there separately
[08:01] <zequence> I think ardour3 was supposed to be fixed by that time, but who knows which ardour3 he has installed
[08:02] <zequence> this is the problem with customizing things too mucgh
[08:02] <cub> yeah, but is it possible for an user themselves to easily move things around in the menus?
[08:02] <zequence> and the reason why I'd rather be basing our work on freedesktop categories, and working on them upstream
[08:02] <zequence> not easily
[08:02] <cub> ah
[08:03] <zequence> There's a dir in /etc/xdg
[08:03] <zequence> I forget. Not on studio right now
[08:03] <zequence> it's possible to create one in the home folder too
[08:04] <cub> I'll check. Found some documentation on xfce
[08:05] <zequence> just look for ubuntustudio
[08:05] <zequence> let me fire up a VM
[08:06] <cub> but you wrote that ardor3 might already been in there, so we can prepare menu items for applications that are not included in the distro?
[08:06] <cub> http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/customize-menu should do the trick perhaps?
[08:07] <zequence> cub: You'll see what I mean once you see the file
[08:07] <zequence> /etc/xdg/xdg-ubuntustudio/menus/xfce-applications.menu
[08:08] <zequence> cub: ^
[08:08] <cub> cheers
[08:09] <cub> could you edit that yourself of will it be overwritten by the system?
[08:09] <zequence> I was attempting to run virtual machines on my server a week ago or so, after I got my new processor. But, the machine chokes. Just freezes :/
[08:09] <zequence> cub: It's part of ubuntustudio-default-settings
[08:09] <zequence> you can edit it, no problem
[08:10] <zequence> the /etc dir is for configuration files
[08:10] <zequence> they don't get overwritten by the system at any point
[08:10] <zequence> only if you purge/install packages
[08:10] <zequence> a dir that does have variable files is /var
[08:11] <zequence> cub: What we could do is edit the source, and do SRUs (stable release update)
[08:12] <zequence> but, I think they'll need to purge and reinstall. I still know too little about Debian packaging, but that would be my best guess
[08:12] <cub> Perhaps a bit overkill at this point :D
[08:13] <zequence> While I'm in Switzerland, I'll see about getting ardour3 included in 13.10. And if we do, we should backport it back to 13.04, 12.10 and 12.04
[08:13] <zequence> reaper is a well used program
[08:14] <zequence> 12.04.3 is coming up
[08:14] <zequence> we should make changes before then
[08:14] <cub> Yeah I've used Reaper for 4-5 years now
[08:14] <zequence> that would make a fresh install of 12.04.3 have this update
[08:14] <cub> until my Vaio and Jack started to work properly
[08:15] <cub> which means my "new" laptop is actually 5+ years old now..doh
[08:16] <zequence> I'm hoping I meet some of the people in Debian Multimedia Team, and get some help on some specific problems
[08:25] <cub> cool. Are you part of that team now as feel?
[08:25] <cub> well
[08:25] <cub> stupid autocorrect
[08:33] <zequence> cub: Yes, I have been for a few months now
[08:33] <zequence> haven't really gotten started yet
[08:34] <cub> Have you heard anything about FalkTX plans to switch to Debian?
[08:34] <zequence> I'm creating one package from scratch for future maintenance, and the idea is I'd help here and there, making sure Ubuntu Studio is well off from Debian imports, but also working for Debian
[08:34] <zequence> Debian is my long term goal
[08:34] <zequence> He's been talking about it
[08:34] <zequence> He'll be facing new problems if he does
[08:35] <cub> sure
[08:35] <zequence> but, I'm sure he'll solve them well for the kind of user base he needs
[08:35] <zequence> He'll want to Ubuntu-fy his version of Debian
[08:35] <cub> hmm?
[08:35] <zequence> Debian comes with a completely free kernel
[08:35] <zequence> all non-free drivers and firmware are taken out and put in a different repository
[08:36] <zequence> in the non-free repo
[08:36] <cub> right
[08:36] <zequence> so, if you have a laptop, you might notice a couple of things
[08:36] <cub> have there been discussions before about Ubuntu Studio going Debian Studio instead?
[08:36] <zequence> no wifi, and no 3d support on some ATI cards - even though the free drivers support it
[08:36] <zequence> No discussions like that
[08:37] <zequence> I have been working at mapping out and documenting all that UBuntu Studio consists off, so that if this community of developers wanted to migrate, we would be able to without too much work
[08:37] <zequence> I've also been looking at how Debian works. Building ISOs, and so on
[08:38] <cub> I was thinking when reinstalling my eee pc "why use something downstream when I could use the source directly" and installed Debian with Xfce instead of Xubuntu which I used before
[08:38] <zequence> Ubuntu Studio is the forefront in Linux multimedia, so it's an important gateway for new users
[08:38] <zequence> That's why I'm involved
[08:39] <cub> yeah that was my conclusion as well to get involved
[08:39] <zequence> Later, when I step down, I'll keep maintaining linux-lowlatency, and help mentor new developers, but I'll be focusing more on Debian
[08:39] <zequence> There are some things I'd like to do on Ubuntu Studio before that happens though
[08:39] <cub> that's how I started out, sure now I can make Debian do what I want but when I tried years ago I couldn't, but Ubuntu did.
[08:40] <zequence> btw, I'm still in Sweden
[08:40] <zequence> I was supposed to fly yesterday, but had gotten the date wrong
[08:40] <zequence> Never happened to me before :P
[08:40] <zequence> Going senile
[08:40] <cub> better than the opposite, to find out the flight was actually yesterday and you wasn't on it. :D
[08:41] <zequence> Yeah, the frustration you get from that is hard to vent
[09:40] <smartboyhw> cub, we are happy that nobody tells us to switch to Debian, Kubuntu always get that:P
[09:41] <smartboyhw> zequence, :O you can even forget when you travel~!?
[09:42] <cub> Hehe I did that once as well when in Tokyo. Got up at 4-5 in the morning, packed everything, ordered a taxi and went down to check out
[09:42] <cub> "But Mr Sjolund, aren't you staying until tomorrow?"
[09:42] <cub> Lost in translation ...
[09:45] <smartboyhw> cub, lol
[09:45] <smartboyhw> cub, what's your full name? Jimmy Sjolund?
[09:46] <cub> Jimmy Sjölund…the Swedish o with dots.
[09:46] <cub> Well, actually it origins from Finland. :P
[09:50] <zequence> cub: Really :P
[09:50] <cub> yeah, my grand father came over from Finland
[09:51] <zequence> 1/4th is better than nothing ;)
[09:51] <cub> 2/4 as my grand mother on my mother's side was born outside Sideby
[09:51] <cub> None spoke Finnish though :/
[09:52] <cub> I tried to learn when I lived in Haparanda but dropped out
[09:52] <zequence> it's a bit tedious, I can imagine
[09:52] <zequence> all that bending you have to do
[09:53] <cub> the teaching methods were so old "this is a pen" come on, teach me something useful!
[09:53] <zequence> Finnish is probably not so useful anyway :)
[09:54] <zequence> but it is quite different from other European languages, and with all strange languages I think you can learn a lot from it
[09:54] <zequence> ..and <as> with..
[09:55] <cub> I was looking at moving to Helsinki for while within my last company
[09:55] <cub> but it never panned out
[09:55] <zequence> I lived there for a summer
[09:55] <zequence> It was ok, but Sweden is better. I suppose cause I'm used to it here
[09:56] <cub> I thought you were from Helsinki?
[09:56] <zequence> I'm from Göteborg
[09:56] <zequence> My mom is from Helsinki though
[09:56] <zequence> my dad from Kuopio
[09:57] <zequence> just about to leave for a quick spin on my bike, then off to the airport - again
[09:57] <cub> hehe better luck this time
[09:57] <zequence> thanks :P
[10:14] <smartboyhw> So many Finnish and Swedish!?!?!
[10:45] <smartboyhw> zequence, I'm taking my first SAT exam in November (this year). Any tips?:P
[11:47] <zequence> smartboyhw: What's SAT?
[11:48] <zequence> Ah, we don't have those here
[11:48] <zequence> Well, we have something similar
[11:48] <zequence> I don't know what kind of tests you have, but the kind we have are hard to study for
[11:49] <zequence> You can't learn the entire dictionary by heart, and a lot has to do with how well you can intepret what you read - which is something you learn with experience over time
[11:49] <zequence> hard to rush it
[11:49] <zequence> Again, i don't know exactly what kind of tests you have
[11:50] <zequence> math is the easiest to study, since the entire math before college is not that big
[11:50] <zequence> you just need to make sure you do your home work :)
[11:51] <cub> And never panic. If you don't understand a question, move on and get back to it later. 
[11:52] <cub> And if it's multiple choice and you can't figure out which one i s right, C is always a good answer. ;)
[11:54] <cub> If you are uncertain when goin back and checking your answers, unless you are sure you got it wrong don't change it. The first thing you think is often the right choice.
[12:17] <smartboyhw> zequence, anyway I have decided to delay it till March next year:P
[12:17] <smartboyhw> cub, hey
[12:18] <smartboyhw> cub, you know, if you guessed it marks will be deducted for wrong answers.
[12:19] <cub> oh evil
[12:19] <smartboyhw> zequence, ha
[12:19] <smartboyhw> zequence, for us, Math is difficult. Do you have to study calculus before college?
[12:20] <smartboyhw> We have to if you want to study Physics or computer or econ or that sort of thing
[12:28] <zequence> smartboyhw: I'm sure you may be a bit ahead in HK
[12:29] <smartboyhw> zequence, yeah:P
[12:29] <smartboyhw> Actually, calculus isn't compulsory
[12:29] <smartboyhw> But for most college subjects it requires it
[12:52] <zequence> alright. time to sattle the horse and get going. bb tomorrow.
[13:46] <cub> zequence, the menu thing was much easier than we made it. :P Menu -> Settings -> Main Menu
[21:03] <TheDrums> OvenWerks: So how'd it go dropping the -studio stuff on that installed ISO?  I hear updating didn't go well for someone else though.