[12:59] <GiGaHuRtZ> Is there a way to get the ubuntu kernel ppa to actually 'work'? Or even just add the repository to the sources.list somehow?
[13:00] <GiGaHuRtZ> under this link it says you used to be able to add the ppa for daily builds, but it doesnt seem to work anymore. It adds, but fails on apt updateing
[13:01] <GiGaHuRtZ> Or even simly getting these going somehow in the sources.list?
[13:01] <SuperLag> Is there a way to find out why a package is kept back?
[13:01] <SuperLag> The following packages have been kept back: usb-modeswitch-data
[13:02] <GiGaHuRtZ> even during a dist-up?
[13:02] <SuperLag> yep
[13:02] <GiGaHuRtZ> If so, its probably because that specific package breaks other packages
[13:02] <GiGaHuRtZ> Im no apt wizard, but that was my understand of it
[13:03] <GiGaHuRtZ> Try using a GUI package manager to do the ugrades (it will do dist-upgrade) and see if it resolves it
[13:03] <GiGaHuRtZ> but its probably a good thing its kept back
[13:04] <GiGaHuRtZ> But re: my question, even a script of something that would download the 3 kernel packages needed for the daily current repo iiin that kernel-paa link would be better than nothing
[13:07] <penguin42> SuperLag: Yeh if you do an apt-get install usb-modeswitch-data   it'll try and do it and (normally?) ask you if you really want to do whatever evil thing it would do
[13:07] <penguin42> GiGaHuRtZ: I normally just pick the ones I'm trying
[13:10] <GiGaHuRtZ> 'the kernels?
[13:11] <GiGaHuRtZ> Well, ya , except I /always/ use the daily builds from current
[13:11] <GiGaHuRtZ> Right now 3.11rc4. So id like a way to easily get those
[13:11] <penguin42> ah ok, I've not tried tracking it - I just grab one when one breaks
[13:11] <GiGaHuRtZ> I dont know much bash, so im thinking of getting a frienbd to write a script
[13:12] <SuperLag> seems to me like running a beta kernel would just be too messy
[13:12] <penguin42> oh better to learn some!
[13:12] <GiGaHuRtZ> Download the two headers and image froom the directory, then install using dpkg -i
[13:12] <penguin42> SuperLag: Shrug the current Saucy kernel is broken for me, so I'm no worse off
[13:12] <GiGaHuRtZ> SuperLag: not really, you are on a beta kernel using ubuntu+1
[13:13] <GiGaHuRtZ> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/daily/
[13:13] <GiGaHuRtZ> its ALL saucy kernels
[13:13] <GiGaHuRtZ> and 87.11 shows saucy kernel being 3.11
[13:13] <penguin42> GiGaHuRtZ: The ones there are ahead of the one that you get just running saucy
[13:13] <GiGaHuRtZ> i know
[13:13] <GiGaHuRtZ> saucxy starts at 3.10 right?
[13:14] <GiGaHuRtZ> Really, I wish luqorix would hurry up and update his kernels or make two branches
[13:14] <penguin42> yeh it was at 3.10, seems to be 3.11 in the main saucy now
[13:14] <GiGaHuRtZ> or three
[13:14] <GiGaHuRtZ> cause hes on 3.9 still
[13:14] <GiGaHuRtZ> I love liuqorix because the performance is much  better for desktop use
[13:15] <penguin42> GiGaHuRtZ: The 3.11 kernels seem to be a heck of a lot faster in boot time than the 3.10.x ones for me
[13:15] <GiGaHuRtZ> But he stays on 3.9 for awhile., He needs like old stable (3.9) stable (3.10) and testing (3.11_
[13:15] <GiGaHuRtZ> penguin42: ya i noticed that too
[13:15] <GiGaHuRtZ> systemd is even faster
[13:15] <penguin42> GiGaHuRtZ: I've got systemd on an opensuse box, still getting used to it :-)
[13:16] <GiGaHuRtZ> I mean cra, on Arch like 6 years agoi, oi boulf boot to gdm login in like 14 seconds
[13:16] <GiGaHuRtZ> And that was using BSD/Unix style init scripts
[13:16] <GiGaHuRtZ> Sorta SysV
[13:16] <GiGaHuRtZ> Not that its systemd, people say its faster
[13:16] <GiGaHuRtZ> But I quit the arch team years ago due to politics
[13:17] <penguin42> GiGaHuRtZ: I tried Arch for a few months, it's interesting , I like the way they make you use the latest way of doing everything, but I didn't like their update system
[13:17] <GiGaHuRtZ> And I come here for ubuntu help (im on kubuntu bit thaty channel is alkmost ALWAYS dead) because +! has more advanced users and the chance of getting an somewhat advanced question answered is better
[13:18] <GiGaHuRtZ> Me and some other #ubvuntu users made some other channels, but i forget their names, and I mightve not locked them so they got re-registered after we left
[13:18] <GiGaHuRtZ> I though it was #ubuntu-advanc/ed and #ubuntu-novice
[13:18] <penguin42> GiGaHuRtZ: Anyway, learn some bash - it's not hard
[13:18] <GiGaHuRtZ> because #ubuntu is fiilled witrh easy questions
[13:18] <GiGaHuRtZ> penguin42: I know its not
[13:19] <GiGaHuRtZ> Ive had a bash cookbook from oreilly here in since 2001l, heh
[13:19] <GiGaHuRtZ> But seeing how I foiuunded ##linux-coders, someone might be be able to help
[13:20] <SuperLag> penguin42: what's broken about the Saucy kernel, for you?
[13:20] <penguin42> SuperLag: It's got problems with one of my USB thumb drives
[13:20] <penguin42> SuperLag: I've got it down to a single patch to fix it that someone suggested, and I've got that patched into one and it works
[13:20] <SuperLag> penguin42: are you sure it's not just you? :)
[13:21] <SuperLag> penguin42: *sigh*... I tried. :)
[13:21] <penguin42> SuperLag: Broke sometime between 3.10.0.4 and 3.10.0.6 - yeh sure, there are others with the same problem
[13:21] <GiGaHuRtZ> Unless someone here knows bash
[13:21] <GiGaHuRtZ> I would donatew via paypal for the simplke script
[13:21] <SuperLag> penguin42: is there a kernel bug filed for it?
[13:21] <GiGaHuRtZ> Probably..... 10 lines
[13:21] <SuperLag> GiGaHuRtZ: what are you trying to do?
[13:22] <penguin42> SuperLag: there's ubuntu bug 1205827  and there's been a discussion on lkml where someone had a patch
[13:22] <SuperLag> penguin42: I haven't run into the issue, because I'm running Saucy in a VM.
[13:22] <SuperLag> penguin42: what was the source of the patch?
[13:25] <GiGaHuRtZ> SuperLag: well since ubuntu no longer maintains as a real ppa, like you used to be able to add with the ppa tool, http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[13:25] <penguin42> SuperLag: See comment #3 in that bug report, Emil pointed me to that patch which seems to have come from lkml originally
[13:25] <GiGaHuRtZ> And you cant add it using http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline sources list
[13:25] <GiGaHuRtZ> Im trying to just grab 3 gfiles, 2 headers and the image, from http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/daily/current/
[13:26] <GiGaHuRtZ> and then install via dpkg -i
[13:26] <penguin42> (Disappointingly wget -r   doesn't seem to do it)
[13:26] <GiGaHuRtZ> So i will probably set it as a cron job 1-2 days
[13:26] <SuperLag> GiGaHuRtZ: you're trying to get the .deb files? or something *in* one of those files?
[13:27] <GiGaHuRtZ> Because they are built dAILY
[13:27] <GiGaHuRtZ> SuperLag: just the debs
[13:27] <GiGaHuRtZ> just the debs
[13:27] <GiGaHuRtZ> wtf lag
[13:27] <SuperLag> stick the links in a file, one line each... then do wget -i thatfile
[13:29] <GiGaHuRtZ> man lag
[13:29] <GiGaHuRtZ> wtf
[13:30] <GiGaHuRtZ> SuperLag: brb
[13:31] <SuperLag> I'm confused. Is *he* experiencing lag... or is he annoyed with me for some reason?
[13:31] <GiGaHuRtZ> SuperLag:  very sorry
[13:32] <GiGaHuRtZ> my client went tits up wihich super rare
[13:32] <GiGaHuRtZ> What was the last question
[13:34] <SuperLag> I'm confused. Is *he* experiencing lag... or is he annoyed with me for some reason? <-- that was the question :)
[13:34] <SuperLag> My comment prior to that was to take all the links from that kernel PPA page, and put them in a file. Then "wget -i thatfile".
[13:35] <GiGaHuRtZ> you wetre asking me?
[13:35] <GiGaHuRtZ> Something happened, and i was typing things in channel, but nothing was showing
[13:35] <GiGaHuRtZ> I had to kill kvirc and retsrat
[13:35] <GiGaHuRtZ> First time ever, kvirc is rovck solid
[13:35] <GiGaHuRtZ> Ok, I could use qget, but that isnt automation
[13:36] <GiGaHuRtZ> I want automation, with dkh -i to instaLl them
[13:36] <GiGaHuRtZ> At lreast once every 2 days or so
[13:36] <GiGaHuRtZ> theGiGaHuRtZ: y giuy iun ##linux-coders (the channel i help found
[13:37] <SuperLag> wget sure is automatation.
[13:37] <SuperLag> You're not manually going and clicking on links to download each file yourself.
[13:37] <SuperLag> You can write one script to wget the files. Another to use dpkg to install the ones you want.
[13:39] <SuperLag> GiGaHuRtZ: and when you said "dkh -i" did you mean "dpkg -i" ?
[13:42] <GiGaHuRtZ> SuperLag: arghj it hapened again, its a lightdm issue
[13:42] <GiGaHuRtZ> glad im goiung to kdm
[13:42] <GiGaHuRtZ> yohju should join ##linux-coders
[13:48] <GiGaHuRtZ> SuperLag: he gave up on me looks like :(
[13:48] <GiGaHuRtZ> dangit
[13:48] <GiGaHuRtZ> 'brb
[13:49] <SuperLag> No, I didn't.
[13:50] <SuperLag> I'm just not interested it going and joining another channel. 18 is enough, thank you :)
[13:53] <penguin42> SuperLag: Yeh it gets hard after a few - how many of those actually have activity - most seem to be dead these days?
[13:55] <SuperLag> well... I'm in 18, and 16 are active :)
[13:57] <penguin42> hmm, I need to do a bit of sniffing around for some then
[14:04] <SuperLag> penguin42: are you running 13.10 on your primary machine?
[14:04] <SuperLag> GiGaHuRtZ: haven't given up. Trying to figure out an easy way to do it.
[14:12] <SuperLag> GiGaHuRtZ: your machine that you want to do this on... is it a 32-bit install or 64-bit install?
[14:17] <penguin42> SuperLag: Yes
[14:21] <penguin42> SuperLag: Why do you ask?
[14:22] <SuperLag> penguin42: Just wondering how the experience has been for you, overall... in terms of stability, and user experience.
[14:22] <SuperLag> I'm guessing Mir is going to be something to get used to
[14:23] <SuperLag> penguin42: I forget, are you on the Ubuntu dev team? I think I may have asked you that before... but I don't remember if I did, and how you answered, if that was the case. Ugh, I'm getting old. :)
[14:23] <penguin42> SuperLag: well I'm running Kubuntu and it's an upgrade from older installs, and it's not tried to run Mir as far as I can tell
[14:25] <SuperLag> I wonder if any final decisions were made on moving to a rolling release model...?
[14:25] <penguin42> haha who knows!
[14:26] <penguin42> SuperLag: I don't think it's necessarily a bad idea, but as I've said before it would be a pain to do it except on a LTS release boundary - i.e. let people on other versions upgrade to LTS and then stick there if they don't want to roll
[14:26] <SuperLag> agreed
[14:27] <SuperLag> otherwise the volume of bugs coming in would go up, I'm sure.
[14:27] <penguin42> SuperLag: It just gets hard for those who use it for work, I need something that's reasonably stable for a few months at a time
[14:27] <penguin42> (Not on this machine)
[14:28] <SuperLag> penguin42: that's why I've leaving the playing to VMs....
[14:28] <SuperLag> penguin42: when a new version comes out, do you typically upgrade? or clean install?
[14:28] <penguin42> upgrade
[14:28] <SuperLag> Hmm... so it works most of the time?
[14:29] <penguin42> SuperLag: Yeh generally, it sometimes takes a bit of punishment to get it to work but normally does
[14:29] <penguin42> SuperLag: Although for my main home machine I tend to switch very early on to the alpha releases or before - so it's a bit more wacky
[14:30] <SuperLag> If it weren't for all the tweaking settings and configs, to get this install just so... I'd do a clean install when 13.10 goes stable. But I dread that. That, and the third party software.
[14:31] <SuperLag> I'm considering changing my strategy a bit, and putting 3rd-party apps, and their .desktop files in ~/Applications and ~/.local/share/applications/, respectively. (Instead of mostly /opt/)
[14:31] <penguin42> on this box I don't have 3rd party stuff,  and at work we have bundles of stuff that are presetup by others
[14:31] <SuperLag> because I've had this ~ across multiple installs, and I learned a LONG time ago that it's much better to keep ~ on a separate drive.
[14:32] <penguin42> yeh
[14:58] <SuperLag> GiGaHuRtZ: Okay. So I'm going to assume that either a. you gave up on wanting help, or b. your IRC client sucks, and gave up on you. But don't say I didn't try. :)
[14:58] <SuperLag> Was using scrapy to get the filenames from the URL... then you can feed that into a for loop and wget them. Then dpkg that work its magic.
[15:01] <SuperLag> I wondered if maybe wget wouldn't just return the URL of the file... but I didn't see that option in the manpage
[15:33] <Daekdroom> Gah. I still can't use upgrade-manager to upgrade and I'm still unable to report its crash.
[15:34] <Daekdroom> No saucy for me.
[15:35] <penguin42> Daekdroom: Remind me, did it say saucy in your apt config?
[15:35] <Daekdroom> penguin42, nope.
[15:35] <Daekdroom> You mean the repo files?
[15:35] <penguin42> Daekdroom: I mean the /etc/apt/sources*
[15:36] <Daekdroom> I didn't touch them. They're all still raring.
[15:36] <penguin42> Daekdroom: hmm ok
[15:36] <Daekdroom> The crash has something to do with unicode. I'll figure out a way to report it.
[15:37] <penguin42> many crashes have something to do with Unicode :-)
[15:40] <Daekdroom> Possibly bug #929399
[15:51] <Daekdroom> Let's see what happens after I switch the system to English.
[15:54] <Daekdroom> aaaand it crashed
[17:35] <GiGaHuRtZ> SuperLag: sorry
[17:35] <GiGaHuRtZ> Client problems, kid problens, yard work issues, etc
[17:36] <GiGaHuRtZ> And #bash is telling me what I got from a buddy in ##linux-coderreally isnt very good
[17:36] <GiGaHuRtZ> And now they are saying trry #wqget
[17:36] <GiGaHuRtZ> It should be like a 2 or 3 line script, VERY soimple
[17:36] <GiGaHuRtZ> I dont get this
[18:29] <GiGaHuRtZ> I figured I would share my easy automation script on how to get the laytest daqily build on the mainline kernels from the ubuntu mainline ppa mirror (that doesnt act as a ppa  any76more, and doesnt work in apt sources)
[18:29] <GiGaHuRtZ> It downloads and installs with dpkg
[18:29] <GiGaHuRtZ> right now itds amd64/x86-64 only
[18:29] <GiGaHuRtZ> but its easy to switch for i386
[18:38] <SuperLag> Okay. I'm confused.
[18:38] <SuperLag> I thought that's what you were needing help with... but you're saying you've got it done already?
[18:45] <Daekdroom> SuperLag, he wants a cron job to automatically download and install kernels from the Ubuntu mainline PPA, I think.
[22:20] <Noize-> Where can I add startup applications? Cannot seem to locate "startup applications"