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GiGaHuRtZIs there a way to get the ubuntu kernel ppa to actually 'work'? Or even just add the repository to the sources.list somehow?12:59
GiGaHuRtZunder this link it says you used to be able to add the ppa for daily builds, but it doesnt seem to work anymore. It adds, but fails on apt updateing13:00
GiGaHuRtZOr even simly getting these going somehow in the sources.list?13:01
SuperLagIs there a way to find out why a package is kept back?13:01
SuperLagThe following packages have been kept back: usb-modeswitch-data13:01
GiGaHuRtZeven during a dist-up?13:02
GiGaHuRtZIf so, its probably because that specific package breaks other packages13:02
GiGaHuRtZIm no apt wizard, but that was my understand of it13:02
GiGaHuRtZTry using a GUI package manager to do the ugrades (it will do dist-upgrade) and see if it resolves it13:03
GiGaHuRtZbut its probably a good thing its kept back13:03
GiGaHuRtZBut re: my question, even a script of something that would download the 3 kernel packages needed for the daily current repo iiin that kernel-paa link would be better than nothing13:04
penguin42SuperLag: Yeh if you do an apt-get install usb-modeswitch-data   it'll try and do it and (normally?) ask you if you really want to do whatever evil thing it would do13:07
penguin42GiGaHuRtZ: I normally just pick the ones I'm trying13:07
GiGaHuRtZ'the kernels?13:10
GiGaHuRtZWell, ya , except I /always/ use the daily builds from current13:11
GiGaHuRtZRight now 3.11rc4. So id like a way to easily get those13:11
penguin42ah ok, I've not tried tracking it - I just grab one when one breaks13:11
GiGaHuRtZI dont know much bash, so im thinking of getting a frienbd to write a script13:11
SuperLagseems to me like running a beta kernel would just be too messy13:12
penguin42oh better to learn some!13:12
GiGaHuRtZDownload the two headers and image froom the directory, then install using dpkg -i13:12
penguin42SuperLag: Shrug the current Saucy kernel is broken for me, so I'm no worse off13:12
GiGaHuRtZSuperLag: not really, you are on a beta kernel using ubuntu+113:12
GiGaHuRtZits ALL saucy kernels13:13
GiGaHuRtZand 87.11 shows saucy kernel being 3.1113:13
penguin42GiGaHuRtZ: The ones there are ahead of the one that you get just running saucy13:13
GiGaHuRtZi know13:13
GiGaHuRtZsaucxy starts at 3.10 right?13:13
GiGaHuRtZReally, I wish luqorix would hurry up and update his kernels or make two branches13:14
penguin42yeh it was at 3.10, seems to be 3.11 in the main saucy now13:14
GiGaHuRtZor three13:14
GiGaHuRtZcause hes on 3.9 still13:14
GiGaHuRtZI love liuqorix because the performance is much  better for desktop use13:14
penguin42GiGaHuRtZ: The 3.11 kernels seem to be a heck of a lot faster in boot time than the 3.10.x ones for me13:15
GiGaHuRtZBut he stays on 3.9 for awhile., He needs like old stable (3.9) stable (3.10) and testing (3.11_13:15
GiGaHuRtZpenguin42: ya i noticed that too13:15
GiGaHuRtZsystemd is even faster13:15
penguin42GiGaHuRtZ: I've got systemd on an opensuse box, still getting used to it :-)13:15
GiGaHuRtZI mean cra, on Arch like 6 years agoi, oi boulf boot to gdm login in like 14 seconds13:16
GiGaHuRtZAnd that was using BSD/Unix style init scripts13:16
GiGaHuRtZSorta SysV13:16
GiGaHuRtZNot that its systemd, people say its faster13:16
GiGaHuRtZBut I quit the arch team years ago due to politics13:16
penguin42GiGaHuRtZ: I tried Arch for a few months, it's interesting , I like the way they make you use the latest way of doing everything, but I didn't like their update system13:17
GiGaHuRtZAnd I come here for ubuntu help (im on kubuntu bit thaty channel is alkmost ALWAYS dead) because +! has more advanced users and the chance of getting an somewhat advanced question answered is better13:17
GiGaHuRtZMe and some other #ubvuntu users made some other channels, but i forget their names, and I mightve not locked them so they got re-registered after we left13:18
GiGaHuRtZI though it was #ubuntu-advanc/ed and #ubuntu-novice13:18
penguin42GiGaHuRtZ: Anyway, learn some bash - it's not hard13:18
GiGaHuRtZbecause #ubuntu is fiilled witrh easy questions13:18
GiGaHuRtZpenguin42: I know its not13:18
GiGaHuRtZIve had a bash cookbook from oreilly here in since 2001l, heh13:19
GiGaHuRtZBut seeing how I foiuunded ##linux-coders, someone might be be able to help13:19
SuperLagpenguin42: what's broken about the Saucy kernel, for you?13:20
penguin42SuperLag: It's got problems with one of my USB thumb drives13:20
penguin42SuperLag: I've got it down to a single patch to fix it that someone suggested, and I've got that patched into one and it works13:20
SuperLagpenguin42: are you sure it's not just you? :)13:20
SuperLagpenguin42: *sigh*... I tried. :)13:21
penguin42SuperLag: Broke sometime between and - yeh sure, there are others with the same problem13:21
GiGaHuRtZUnless someone here knows bash13:21
GiGaHuRtZI would donatew via paypal for the simplke script13:21
SuperLagpenguin42: is there a kernel bug filed for it?13:21
GiGaHuRtZProbably..... 10 lines13:21
SuperLagGiGaHuRtZ: what are you trying to do?13:21
penguin42SuperLag: there's ubuntu bug 1205827  and there's been a discussion on lkml where someone had a patch13:22
ubottuUbuntu bug 1205827 in linux (Ubuntu Saucy) "Regression: USB storage broken on 3.10.06-generic" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120582713:22
SuperLagpenguin42: I haven't run into the issue, because I'm running Saucy in a VM.13:22
SuperLagpenguin42: what was the source of the patch?13:22
GiGaHuRtZSuperLag: well since ubuntu no longer maintains as a real ppa, like you used to be able to add with the ppa tool, http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/13:25
penguin42SuperLag: See comment #3 in that bug report, Emil pointed me to that patch which seems to have come from lkml originally13:25
GiGaHuRtZAnd you cant add it using http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline sources list13:25
GiGaHuRtZIm trying to just grab 3 gfiles, 2 headers and the image, from http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/daily/current/13:25
GiGaHuRtZand then install via dpkg -i13:26
penguin42(Disappointingly wget -r   doesn't seem to do it)13:26
GiGaHuRtZSo i will probably set it as a cron job 1-2 days13:26
SuperLagGiGaHuRtZ: you're trying to get the .deb files? or something *in* one of those files?13:26
GiGaHuRtZBecause they are built dAILY13:27
GiGaHuRtZSuperLag: just the debs13:27
GiGaHuRtZjust the debs13:27
GiGaHuRtZwtf lag13:27
SuperLagstick the links in a file, one line each... then do wget -i thatfile13:27
GiGaHuRtZman lag13:29
GiGaHuRtZSuperLag: brb13:30
SuperLagI'm confused. Is *he* experiencing lag... or is he annoyed with me for some reason?13:31
GiGaHuRtZSuperLag:  very sorry13:31
GiGaHuRtZmy client went tits up wihich super rare13:32
GiGaHuRtZWhat was the last question13:32
SuperLagI'm confused. Is *he* experiencing lag... or is he annoyed with me for some reason? <-- that was the question :)13:34
SuperLagMy comment prior to that was to take all the links from that kernel PPA page, and put them in a file. Then "wget -i thatfile".13:34
GiGaHuRtZyou wetre asking me?13:35
GiGaHuRtZSomething happened, and i was typing things in channel, but nothing was showing13:35
GiGaHuRtZI had to kill kvirc and retsrat13:35
GiGaHuRtZFirst time ever, kvirc is rovck solid13:35
GiGaHuRtZOk, I could use qget, but that isnt automation13:35
GiGaHuRtZI want automation, with dkh -i to instaLl them13:36
GiGaHuRtZAt lreast once every 2 days or so13:36
GiGaHuRtZtheGiGaHuRtZ: y giuy iun ##linux-coders (the channel i help found13:36
SuperLagwget sure is automatation.13:37
SuperLagYou're not manually going and clicking on links to download each file yourself.13:37
SuperLagYou can write one script to wget the files. Another to use dpkg to install the ones you want.13:37
SuperLagGiGaHuRtZ: and when you said "dkh -i" did you mean "dpkg -i" ?13:39
GiGaHuRtZSuperLag: arghj it hapened again, its a lightdm issue13:42
GiGaHuRtZglad im goiung to kdm13:42
GiGaHuRtZyohju should join ##linux-coders13:42
GiGaHuRtZSuperLag: he gave up on me looks like :(13:48
SuperLagNo, I didn't.13:49
SuperLagI'm just not interested it going and joining another channel. 18 is enough, thank you :)13:50
penguin42SuperLag: Yeh it gets hard after a few - how many of those actually have activity - most seem to be dead these days?13:53
SuperLagwell... I'm in 18, and 16 are active :)13:55
penguin42hmm, I need to do a bit of sniffing around for some then13:57
SuperLagpenguin42: are you running 13.10 on your primary machine?14:04
SuperLagGiGaHuRtZ: haven't given up. Trying to figure out an easy way to do it.14:04
SuperLagGiGaHuRtZ: your machine that you want to do this on... is it a 32-bit install or 64-bit install?14:12
penguin42SuperLag: Yes14:17
penguin42SuperLag: Why do you ask?14:21
SuperLagpenguin42: Just wondering how the experience has been for you, overall... in terms of stability, and user experience.14:22
SuperLagI'm guessing Mir is going to be something to get used to14:22
SuperLagpenguin42: I forget, are you on the Ubuntu dev team? I think I may have asked you that before... but I don't remember if I did, and how you answered, if that was the case. Ugh, I'm getting old. :)14:23
penguin42SuperLag: well I'm running Kubuntu and it's an upgrade from older installs, and it's not tried to run Mir as far as I can tell14:23
SuperLagI wonder if any final decisions were made on moving to a rolling release model...?14:25
penguin42haha who knows!14:25
penguin42SuperLag: I don't think it's necessarily a bad idea, but as I've said before it would be a pain to do it except on a LTS release boundary - i.e. let people on other versions upgrade to LTS and then stick there if they don't want to roll14:26
SuperLagotherwise the volume of bugs coming in would go up, I'm sure.14:27
penguin42SuperLag: It just gets hard for those who use it for work, I need something that's reasonably stable for a few months at a time14:27
penguin42(Not on this machine)14:27
SuperLagpenguin42: that's why I've leaving the playing to VMs....14:28
SuperLagpenguin42: when a new version comes out, do you typically upgrade? or clean install?14:28
SuperLagHmm... so it works most of the time?14:28
penguin42SuperLag: Yeh generally, it sometimes takes a bit of punishment to get it to work but normally does14:29
penguin42SuperLag: Although for my main home machine I tend to switch very early on to the alpha releases or before - so it's a bit more wacky14:29
SuperLagIf it weren't for all the tweaking settings and configs, to get this install just so... I'd do a clean install when 13.10 goes stable. But I dread that. That, and the third party software.14:30
SuperLagI'm considering changing my strategy a bit, and putting 3rd-party apps, and their .desktop files in ~/Applications and ~/.local/share/applications/, respectively. (Instead of mostly /opt/)14:31
penguin42on this box I don't have 3rd party stuff,  and at work we have bundles of stuff that are presetup by others14:31
SuperLagbecause I've had this ~ across multiple installs, and I learned a LONG time ago that it's much better to keep ~ on a separate drive.14:31
SuperLagGiGaHuRtZ: Okay. So I'm going to assume that either a. you gave up on wanting help, or b. your IRC client sucks, and gave up on you. But don't say I didn't try. :)14:58
SuperLagWas using scrapy to get the filenames from the URL... then you can feed that into a for loop and wget them. Then dpkg that work its magic.14:58
SuperLagI wondered if maybe wget wouldn't just return the URL of the file... but I didn't see that option in the manpage15:01
DaekdroomGah. I still can't use upgrade-manager to upgrade and I'm still unable to report its crash.15:33
DaekdroomNo saucy for me.15:34
penguin42Daekdroom: Remind me, did it say saucy in your apt config?15:35
Daekdroompenguin42, nope.15:35
DaekdroomYou mean the repo files?15:35
penguin42Daekdroom: I mean the /etc/apt/sources*15:35
DaekdroomI didn't touch them. They're all still raring.15:36
penguin42Daekdroom: hmm ok15:36
DaekdroomThe crash has something to do with unicode. I'll figure out a way to report it.15:36
penguin42many crashes have something to do with Unicode :-)15:37
DaekdroomPossibly bug #92939915:40
ubottubug 929399 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "do-release-upgrade crashed with UnicodeDecodeError in __main__: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc3 in position 36: ordinal not in range(128)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/92939915:40
DaekdroomLet's see what happens after I switch the system to English.15:51
Daekdroomaaaand it crashed15:54
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GiGaHuRtZSuperLag: sorry17:35
GiGaHuRtZClient problems, kid problens, yard work issues, etc17:35
GiGaHuRtZAnd #bash is telling me what I got from a buddy in ##linux-coderreally isnt very good17:36
GiGaHuRtZAnd now they are saying trry #wqget17:36
GiGaHuRtZIt should be like a 2 or 3 line script, VERY soimple17:36
GiGaHuRtZI dont get this17:36
GiGaHuRtZI figured I would share my easy automation script on how to get the laytest daqily build on the mainline kernels from the ubuntu mainline ppa mirror (that doesnt act as a ppa  any76more, and doesnt work in apt sources)18:29
GiGaHuRtZIt downloads and installs with dpkg18:29
GiGaHuRtZright now itds amd64/x86-64 only18:29
GiGaHuRtZbut its easy to switch for i38618:29
SuperLagOkay. I'm confused.18:38
SuperLagI thought that's what you were needing help with... but you're saying you've got it done already?18:38
DaekdroomSuperLag, he wants a cron job to automatically download and install kernels from the Ubuntu mainline PPA, I think.18:45
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Noize-Where can I add startup applications? Cannot seem to locate "startup applications"22:20

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