[01:19] <sVooX> ="
[06:26] <knightwise> morning everyone
[06:26] <MooDoo_> morning
[06:27] <knightwise> hey MooDoo ! :)
[06:27] <knightwise> how are you today :)
[06:27] <MooDoo> knightwise: it's 07:27 and I'm in the office.....er FAB ;)
[06:34] <jussi> MooDoo: do you have a long trip to your office?  (Im often in mine at that time)
[06:35] <MooDoo> jussi: no it's about 40 mins from my house, I'm on the 7am start this week
[06:35] <jussi> MooDoo: ahh much longer than my commute then. :D
[06:35]  * jussi 's commute is approx 15 steps :D
[06:35] <MooDoo> jussi: ah work from home?
[06:36] <jussi> MooDoo: yep
[06:36] <jussi> MooDoo: what kind of work do you do?
[06:36] <MooDoo> jussi: tech support for an web hosting company
[06:37] <jussi> ahh yeah. Im one of those nasty salespeople (although for a software/open source type company)
[06:37] <MooDoo> :)
[06:38] <jussi> (and no, its not canonical :P )
[06:38] <MooDoo> hehe
[06:41] <MartijnVdS> jussi: as long as you don't sell things the devteam can't make.. ;)
[06:41] <jussi> MartijnVdS: of course I do!
[06:41] <jussi> :P
[07:16] <knightwise> anyone know a good command line bittorrent client ?
[07:17] <MooDoo> rtorrent i think
[07:21] <dwatkins> yeah, rtorrent is pretty nifty
[07:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> morning earthlings
[07:21] <dwatkins> greetings TheOpenSourcerer
[07:21] <MooDoo> mornign
[07:21] <MartijnVdS> \o TheOpenSourcerer
[07:21] <dwatkins> ...and everyone else ;)
[07:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> Back after a week off.
[07:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> Not terribly motivated this morning. :-(
[07:22] <MooDoo> I can believe it
[07:22] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: This week: http://www.gbbf.org.uk/
[07:22] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: if you want something to look forward to ;)
[07:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ahh
[07:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> I've been to that a few times recently.
[07:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yesterday I was here: http://www.westdean.org.uk/Garden/News%20and%20Events/ChilliFiesta.aspx
[07:25] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: cool (hot?)
[07:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> yep
[07:57] <AlanBell> morning
[07:59] <TheOpenSourcerer> \o AlanBell
[08:16] <DJones> Morning
[08:33] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[08:34] <popey> Morning.
[08:34] <brobostigon> morning popey
[08:44] <SuperMatt> morning funky-hatted people
[08:44] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Youth Day! :-D
[08:44] <SuperMatt> bah
[08:44] <SuperMatt> youth
[08:45] <SuperMatt> I remember that
[08:48] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:51] <DJones> SuperMatt: Remembr youth? If I wasn't going senile, I might remember it
[09:03] <mungbean_> what class of micro sd card should i be getting for my phone?
[09:16] <popey> AlanBell: you said alt-tab was better in 13.10, can you test something for me pls?
[09:17] <popey> on workspace 1, open some apps (terminal and browser for example), then switch to workspace 2, open a terminal there so it's the in-focus app
[09:17] <popey> now switch back to workspace 1, alt-tab
[09:17] <popey> note that it keeps you in terminal, rather than taking you to the browser
[09:21] <Guest14455> nick mungbean
[09:44] <mungbean_> is there anythig faster than a class 10 micro sd?
[09:45] <directhex> yes
[09:45] <directhex> UHS grade 1
[09:46] <directhex> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital#Speeds
[09:47] <mungbean_> still 10MB/s?
[09:47] <mungbean_> my sd card is struggling as i've offset my internal phone storage onto it for apps et
[09:47] <mungbean_> cos the htc desire has pitiful internal storage
[09:47] <mungbean_> makes even the keyboard laggy
[09:48] <mungbean_> but i already have a class 10
[09:49] <DJones> mungbean_: I've got a class 10 in my Galaxy S3 with quite a few apps on the card, I can't say I've noticed any speed issues, that may just be because its a newer & faster phone though
[09:49] <mungbean_> i'm not doing the android "move to SD" thing though
[09:49] <mungbean_> rather formatted part of the sd card to use as internal storage
[09:51] <bigcalm> mungbean_: I think that you'll be limited by the hardware of the Desire
[09:51] <mungbean_> :(
[09:51] <bigcalm> This is my idle speculation
[09:51] <mungbean_> it speeds up when i clear cache etc
[09:52] <bigcalm> Yes, I found that with my Nexus One, before I sold it to my Dad
[09:52] <DJones> mungbean_: http://androidforums.com/htc-desire/304477-whats-fastest-sd-card-htc-desire-can-handle.html Suggests that even if you put a class 10 in, the desire is only capeable of accessing at class 6 speeds
[09:53] <mungbean_> bah
[09:53] <mungbean_> looks like i have to put up with it then
[09:53] <mungbean_> my missis doesn't suffer the same
[09:54] <mungbean_> (or doesn't complain)
[09:54] <DJones> The comment could be something thats not supported by facts though, maybe have to check the hardware spec to confirm it
[09:54] <mungbean_> apps are certainly getting a lot bigger
[09:54] <mungbean_> why is ebay and amazon app 10mb+
[09:55] <bigcalm> Partly why I continue to use web interfaces rather than apps
[09:55] <bigcalm> Very much so for Facebook, but then I don't use FB a whole lot any way
[09:55] <directhex> also, remember that the controller matters as much as the card
[09:56] <directhex> and most cards on the market are fakes which don't meet the stated speed class
[09:56] <DJones> The app's are 512K, its the adverts that make up the other 9.5Mb :)
[09:56] <mungbean_> it works OK sometimes but suffers from android lag
[09:56] <mungbean_> i was sad to hve to replace tweetdeck
[09:57] <mungbean_> installed the official twitter app and i have to sign in each time,. doesn't remember password
[09:59] <popey> damnit, made a cup of tea, left it in the kitchen #fml
[10:00] <bigcalm> Ha
[10:00] <bigcalm> popey: nothing worse in life eh?
[10:00] <DJones> That'd be more of problem if it was the kitchen at home and you were in the office
[10:00] <mungbean_> ewww tea
[10:04] <bigcalm> Will be sad not to go to oggcamp this year. Will somebody bring back a mug for me? :D
[10:04]  * popey no longer drinks coffee ☹
[10:04] <bigcalm> That said, winning 2 mugs last year in the raffle was a little much
[10:04] <bigcalm> (which have yet to be used)
[10:04] <popey> i use mine daily
[10:05] <bigcalm> Oh, the oggcamp mugs we use, I mean the chalk board mugs are still in their boxes
[10:05] <Oli> Any electricians (amateur or otherwise) in here? I'm looking for a crimp that can securely hold two wires that have been twisted together without anything else come in and touch them. Sort of like a poor man's terminal connection. Certain they exist but I can't convince Google or Amazon to show me them. What's the proper name?
[10:05] <DJones> Duct tape?
[10:06] <Oli> That is my current option, yes
[10:06] <DJones> Thats about as near as I could come up with
[10:06] <bigcalm> Oli: so you don't want to use a chocolate block?
[10:06] <DJones> Chocolate blocks
[10:06] <Oli> bigcalm: truth is there may be more than one cable... There may be three or four.
[10:07] <popey> yeah, you should use choc blocks
[10:07] <Oli> Oh okay, you win
[10:07] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/BLUE-BUTT-TERMINAL-CRIMP-CONNECTORS/dp/B0046V1G9I/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1376302033&sr=8-2&keywords=crimp+connectors
[10:07] <popey> or those are what you specifically asked for?
[10:07] <DJones> There are some I've used on a car that take a 2 cables into a connector, the connector has a hole at each end and just compresses using pliers
[10:07] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Way-Gel-Filled-Connector-Crimps-Packet/dp/B007FGX3TW/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1376302050&sr=8-8&keywords=crimp+connectors
[10:07] <popey> or those for multi-way
[10:07] <DJones> Hmmh, popey read my mind
[10:08] <popey> amazon did
[10:08] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:08] <Oli> Butt terminals could do the job...
[10:08] <DJones> That was exactly what I was thinking of anyway
[10:08] <Oli> That gel one looks a bit whacky
[10:08] <bigcalm> Waterproof though
[10:09] <Oli> True
[10:10] <DJones> That just makes want to go out and buy a packet of gummi bears
[10:10] <Oli> These are what I was thinking of origininally: http://img.alibaba.com/wsphoto/v0/602861800_1/free-shipping-1000-pcs-Nylon-Crimp-Caps-Gauge-Wire-Connectors-Terminals-Close-End-Wire-Terminal.jpg
[10:11] <bigcalm> I think that there is a kind of screw on version of those as well
[10:12] <Oli> That sounds familiar
[10:14] <bigcalm> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twist-on_wire_connector
[10:18] <AlanBell> popey: yes, it does
[10:18] <AlanBell> hmm, is that expected or not I wonder
[10:22] <popey> seems like a bug to me?
[10:27] <AlanBell> dunno, I expect the developers would dispute that
[10:27] <AlanBell> however the designers might not
[10:28] <AlanBell> alt-tab takes you to the last application type you had focus on, which was terminal, on the other workspace
[10:29] <popey> i will poke a designer
[10:29] <popey> and then talk to them on irc
[10:29] <AlanBell> or it takes you to the last window you had open, which was terminal on the other workspace
[10:37] <mungbean_> should i be able to add my ssh key to a keyring so i never have to type the password after logging in?
[10:38] <mungbean_> doesn't seem to work for me
[10:38] <directhex> yes, you should.
[10:41] <mungbean_> ah, under details i had "lock this key when i log out" selected
[10:42] <popey> AlanBell: confirmed with design it's a bug, can you confirm pls https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1211261
[10:45] <AlanBell> popey: do you sometimes see the top bar shadow overlayed on browser tabs of maximised browsers?
[10:45] <AlanBell> especially after changing monitor configurations a bit
[10:47] <popey> i can't say i have
[10:47] <popey> but i haven't plugged my laptop into an external display for a while
[10:48] <popey> bigcalm: i may have to duck out of the real ale train ☹
[10:48] <bigcalm> Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo :(
[10:50] <bigcalm> Life happens to us all but you shall be missed
[10:51]  * TheOpenSourcerer will also not be going on the RAT - I'll be in Italy. Anyone want to buy my ticket?
[10:51] <popey> well, i _could_ go, but i am off booze, so I would have to set around watching you lot get drunk
[10:51] <bigcalm> :O
[10:51] <bigcalm> Oh gawd
[10:51] <popey> guess i could go ☻
[10:52] <popey> and drive home after ☻
[10:52] <AlanBell> designated driver \o/
[10:52] <popey> yeah, why not, i love steam trains and I've already paid for the ticket :D
[10:52] <mgdm> I was thinking about going but it's a bit of a trek
[10:52] <jussi> popey: just make it 10£ per person for a lift home, and youll end up with more than you came...
[10:52] <mgdm> TheOpenSourcerer: I might, I will investigate further after lunch
[10:52] <popey> haha
[10:52] <bigcalm> Is this a short term change of drinking habit, or does it continue to the 25th October?
[10:52] <popey> good idea!
[10:53] <popey> bigcalm: not sure
[10:53] <popey> see what doc says
[10:53] <mgdm> Oh, medical reasons :/
[10:53] <bigcalm> popey: there will be other drinks, so as long as you come :)
[10:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: Change your doc. Mine recommends 21 Units a day ;-)
[10:54] <jussi> haah
[10:54] <bigcalm> Nice
[10:54] <jussi> TheOpenSourcerer: are you your own doctor? :D
[10:54] <bigcalm> mgdm: a bit of a trek, but a damn good night out
[10:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol - nope.
[10:55] <mgdm> bigcalm: where is it again?
[10:55] <popey> alton
[10:55] <bigcalm> mgdm: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2320-real-ale-train/
[10:55] <bigcalm> (not Alton Towers)
[10:57] <JethroTroll> We need an #ubuntu-uk meet at Alton Towers!!
[10:57] <JethroTroll> AlanBell will smuggle the food in.
[11:04] <bigcalm> Did somebody mention cake? What a good idea
[11:04] <jussi> bigcalm: the cake is a lie!
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[11:10] <bigcalm> This cake is no lie :D
[11:10] <davmor2> it is a lie to us :P
[11:11] <bigcalm> http://pushingthewrongbuttons.tumblr.com/post/57971649835/sunday-is-cake-baking-day
[11:11]  * bigcalm noms
[11:12] <davmor2> bigcalm: very nice
[11:12] <bigcalm> davmor2: I may have over done the butter icing a little
[11:18] <andylockran> morning alls
[11:22] <bigcalm> For a moment, I thought you were only greeting the Alans of the channel
[11:25] <mungbean_> i think this page needs removing http://ubuntu-uk.org/ircstats/
[11:25] <MartijnVdS> it's almost a year old
[11:26] <Oli> But weren't we all, once?
[11:28] <bigcalm> I think some of us still are
[11:28] <Oli> I'll have you know I'm at least one and three quarters.
[11:29] <Oli> Apologies, I think I'm having an alergic reaction to Monday. It's making me very silly.
[11:33] <popey> i'll set it to redirect to brobostigon's stats
[11:33] <popey> where are they?
[11:56] <dvrr> chkconfig  not install  in ubuntu12.10
[11:58] <popey> sudo apt-get install chkconfig
[11:59] <dvrr> i try to install  apt-get  i face  problem   "E: Package 'chkconfig' has no installation candidate"
[12:00] <dvrr> popey
[12:02] <popey> ooh, seems it's been removed
[12:02] <popey> i wonder why
[12:02] <popey> http://askubuntu.com/questions/221293/why-chkconfig-is-not-available-in-ubuntu-12-10
[12:18] <davmor2> man gvfs has a big hit on speed, nautilus over ssh using gvfs 4.2 Gb/s,  scp 11.8 Gb/s on the same file
[12:19] <Guest22339> why does Firefox not use libnotify other than it not linking directly to downloads folder after a download being completed
[12:19] <bigcalm> davmor2: GB not KB?
[12:19] <bigcalm> Or even MB
[12:20] <davmor2> bigcalm: it's a backup on the local network
[12:20] <bigcalm> I would be happy with 4.2GB/s over a network connection :)
[12:21] <davmor2> bigcalm: no you're right sorry Mb/s
[12:21] <davmor2> but still it's a huge performance hit
[12:21]  * bigcalm prints and frames
[12:22] <davmor2> bigcalm: only this time most of the time you're wrong :P
[12:22] <bigcalm> Ha
[12:23] <davmor2> bigcalm: as I say though it's still a huge speed difference scp for the win me thinks :)
[12:24] <bigcalm> Quite
[12:24] <bigcalm> I see the same over CIFS. Haven't checked the speed of NFS yet
[12:29] <dwatkins> I've got my NAS mounted via NFS, and I get 11 Megabytes/s out of it.
[12:29] <dwatkins> nfsstat tells me I'm using NFS v3.
[12:49] <^2fC> lo :)
[12:49] <Oli> I get 113MB/s read over gigabit+NFS
[12:50] <Oli> Fades a bit after a few seconds to ~100-110MB/s
[12:50] <Oli> And that's a pv copy from RAID5 (nfs server) to /dev/null (so there's no write slowdown factored into that)
[12:58] <dwatkins> I imagine my speed is somewhat reduced by being over 100 MBit/s ethernet and to a rather old netbook.
[13:02] <mungbean> just ate the most disappointing sandwich ever.
[13:05] <dwatkins> what was in it, just margarine, mungbean?
[13:05] <mungbean> plum sauce and duck
[13:05] <mungbean> sounds lovely but was tasteless and minging
[13:10] <SuperMatt> mmm duck
[13:11] <brobostigon> i hope the stats are working right.
[13:12] <mungbean> i've lost the tux babygro ..wonder if my wife has "lost" it
[13:12] <mungbean> wanted to put my daughter in it
[13:14] <MartijnVdS> https://github.com/philipl/pifs
[13:19] <Guest67532> why doesfirefox not use libnotify for notifications
[13:22] <popey> brobostigon: link?
[13:24] <brobostigon-quas> taylorworld.me.uk/ubuntu-uk.HTML
[13:24] <brobostigon-quas> sorry, it messed up the case.
[13:24] <popey> looks like it's working fine
[13:25] <brobostigon-quas> cool, good.
[13:25] <mungbean> do you also collect monthly stats rather than alltime brobostigon-quas ?
[13:26] <mungbean> and what happened to gord?
[13:27] <brobostigon-quas> umm.
[13:27] <popey> http://ubuntu-uk.org/ircstats/ now redirects
[13:27] <popey> he left canonical to do other things
[13:27] <popey> some while back now
[13:27] <brobostigon-quas> OK. I will do my best to keep it running properly.
[13:28] <mgdm> mrevell: did Chris Molozian move to another company?
[13:29] <mungbean> sorry i didn't explain, i mean, "most active nicks" is often more useful over a month period rather than all time , innit?
[13:29] <mrevell> mgdm, I think he is contracting.
[13:29] <mgdm> mrevell: Ah. I got an email from Lee this morning saying 'Chris is no longer with us', which I took to mean he'd left the company, not that he'd left this existence...
[13:29] <mrevell> hah, no, he is alive :)
[13:30] <mgdm> hehe
[13:30] <mgdm> good :-)
[14:05] <mungbean> "Please clear this box if you would not like to receive offers and information from us"
[14:05] <mungbean> arggh confusing!!
[14:17] <popey> mungbean: i hate the ones that have two boxes, one you have to tick, one you have to not tick
[14:18] <mungbean> yes, there followed a similar reverse question
[14:18] <mungbean> was stressful enough jst buying the product
[14:18] <popey> heh
[14:18] <mungbean> roofbars for my motor
[14:20]  * bigcalm returns from a lunch time nap - working from home++
[14:20] <mungbean> i wonder if g+ will ever take off
[14:21] <mungbean> i just have loads of contacts who never post anything, and nr do i
[14:22] <dwatkins> I use it quite a lot, but most people I know on there are technical-types.
[14:22] <mungbean> ask.fm must have benefitted from a lot of free publicity from the dailymail as somebody has signed up with my email address.
[14:24] <dwatkins> how does that get them free publicity?
[14:25] <popey> I'd say G+ has taken off
[14:25] <bigcalm> I've stopped looking at it
[14:25] <popey> given both my brother and sister out of the blue said they want to leave facebook, and try something else like twitter & G+
[14:25] <popey> neither of them are techy at all
[14:26] <popey> and I never talk about G+ to them, so it's not my influence
[14:33] <dwatkins> my niece left Facebook for a week.
[14:33] <mungbean> i like facebook
[14:33] <dwatkins> she's 15, though, this sort of thing is just what I expect as the on-going drama of being a teenager ;)
[14:34] <dwatkins> I saw the reason why - some kid at her school was horrid
[14:34] <dwatkins> (in a completely inappropriate way, too, but I won't go into details)
[14:34] <Oli> It's going to be amazing for kids these days when they're 40 and they look back at all this crap that Facebook kindly logged for them.
[14:34] <popey> my aunt created a new account because "my old one had thousands of friends, and I wanted a clean start"
[14:35] <popey> my neice posted photos of her driving license online ☹
[14:35] <zleap> i just got bored with facebook
[14:35] <zleap> ended up with 2 accounts as someone invited me and i was unable to work out how to add them to what i already had
[14:35] <mungbean> my family alone is around 70 people
[14:35] <mungbean> maybe nearer 100
[14:36] <mungbean> cousins and brothers , uncles etc
[14:36] <Oli> That's a lot of people.
[14:37] <popey> i have "30 friends" apparently
[14:37] <Oli> On facebook or just generally?
[14:39] <popey> fb
[14:39] <mungbean> i have about 30 in my staging area
[14:39] <mungbean> similar number waiting in linked for rejection
[14:39] <Oli> You make your friends audition?
[14:39] <popey> and i follow 1100 people on G+
[14:39] <Oli> cripes
[14:39] <AlanBell> if I post a picture of my kids building a robot arm, on Facebook people are more interested in what my kids are up to in the holidays, on G+ people want to know what python library we used
[14:40] <bigcalm> :D
[14:40] <mungbean> fb has more control and access to comments and notifications
[14:40] <mungbean> g+ handling of all that is terrible
[14:40] <AlanBell> I have zero clue who sees what on facebook
[14:40] <AlanBell> and why stuff turns up in my feed
[14:40] <zleap> AlanBell, cool re robot arm
[14:40] <popey> some of my family found out of my fathers death because someone tagged him and said something
[14:40] <zleap> tom on the dclug has a voice controlled robot arm
[14:41] <popey> so everyone who is a friend of his found out
[14:41] <zleap> not good i guess
[14:41] <popey> indeed
[14:41] <mungbean> unless you want that info out there, then its an excellent medium
[14:41] <dwatkins> I tagged someone on facebook who I wasn't aware had passed away :(
[14:42] <AlanBell> at some point I will probably unfriend pretty much everyone who isn't a relative on facebook
[14:42] <popey> thats exactly what I did
[14:42] <popey> and only use fb for family and for school / ballet groups, and admin of UUPC etc
[14:42] <mungbean> i belong to a large church (well over 1000 ppl each week), so there's a massive social side too
[14:43] <zleap> i just go to the page of my local rugby club,  theyh have several, i can't be botered enough to make an account and trawl all the different club fb pages for info
[14:43] <mungbean> its a good way for people to share their lives when you don't get chance to see them each week
[14:43] <zleap> yeah but if done properly
[14:43] <popey> yeah, since my dad went, his wife is on fb a lot, staying in contact and asking me for pc support
[14:44] <zleap> but the club also has a website it would be better to put events there and then have everyone share on their individual pages
[14:45] <zleap> i like the look of the plymouthwebdev group it has one simple webpage and a twitter link
[14:45] <zleap> so nice and simple,  the page as info about them and info as to when the meetings are
[14:48] <directhex> http://www.bbc.co.uk/cbeebies/lingo-show/songs/lingo-show-blodwen-hello/
[15:00] <Oli> What is this?!
[15:00] <Oli> It burns.
[15:01]  * popey chuckles at @straightprideuk going full streisand
[15:01] <popey> although pretty sure it's an elaborate troll.
[15:03] <AlanBell> it is probably Anne Widicombe
[15:17] <mungbean> considering they mention gingerpride...pretty sure.
[15:19] <AlanBell> is codeplex good or bad? http://phpexcel.codeplex.com/ looks potentially useful
[15:19] <halt> HI guys, i try to configure sudo but got a syntax error could you guys have a look at it ?
[15:20] <AlanBell> halt: that doesn't quite make sense, but do ask your real question
[15:20] <halt> I have just simple file called user in the /etc/sudoers.d folder with 0440 permission, and the content of the file is "user ALL=NOPASSWD:/bin/su admin_user"
[15:20] <AlanBell> oh, maybe it does make sense :)
[15:21] <halt> i got the >>> /etc/sudoers.d/user: syntax error near line 0 <<<   message
[15:28] <halt> AlanBell: got it I think it's a bug
[15:28] <halt> i have to open one more line in the file
[15:29] <halt> then it's wroking, so if i have one single line then it's give me a sytax error, if i have one enter on the end of the line then it's works
[16:53] <Azelphur> popey: do you do full drive backups with rsnapshot? if so, can you show me your backup line? :)
[16:55] <bigcalm> rdiff-backup FTW :D
[17:03] <popey> Azelphur: backup line?
[17:03] <Azelphur> yea, the line with all the excludes and scuh
[17:03] <Azelphur> such(
[17:04] <popey> i dont have excludes in the individual backup lines
[17:04] <popey> i have excludes separately
[17:04] <Azelphur> oh?
[17:04] <popey> because i do the same excludes on all machines
[17:04] <Azelphur> I see
[17:04] <Azelphur> I'm game for that anyway tbh, would be nice to have full drive backups of all my stuff
[17:05] <popey> i exclude /dev /proc /tmp /sys /lib/udev/devices and /home/.ecryptfs
[17:06] <Azelphur> cool, ty :)
[17:19] <popey> np
[17:27] <awilkins> Just wasted 40 minutes of my life checking DLL versions on Windows copies of Apache2 / OpenSSL
[17:27] <diddledan> awilkins: why?
[17:27] <DJones> Can anybody suggest a reason for this http://imagebin.org/267290 Updated software is available, do I want to install it, but it doesn't tell me what it wants to update
[17:27] <awilkins> diddledan, Because our IT department gives us a free Security Check and sends us horrible vulnerability reports
[17:28] <awilkins> diddledan, The real question is : why the hell are we running services that run entirely off Apache, Java and Tomcat on *!&^^£!"£ Windows 2003 server
[17:28] <diddledan> DJones: it's a malware update :-p
[17:28] <awilkins> The philosophical question is : Why doesn't Windows have a proper fricking package manager
[17:29] <diddledan> awilkins: ouch, and yes, it should be running on a POSIX system!
[17:29] <DJones> diddledan: At least updating in a terminal tells me its bamfdaemon, libbamf3-1 and libdvdnav4
[17:29] <awilkins> The answer to the question is that these are virtual machines and our ICT dept is too "underskilled" to support Linux in a VM
[17:29] <diddledan> DJones: as I said, malware :-p
[17:30] <diddledan> whart?!
[17:30] <awilkins> Bah
[17:30] <awilkins> diddledan, They only have people who know how to break Windows, ysee
[17:30] <diddledan> thank god our techy team (including me in that) is entirely linux-based
[17:31] <diddledan> we're only small though, so we're able to be agile in that way
[17:31] <awilkins> Right, I'm blowing this popsicle stand and going home
[17:31] <diddledan> I've finally started moving our old outdated gentoo systems to ubuntu \o/
[17:32] <diddledan> our issue tracker and nagios setup are going to be the first to go
[18:17] <daftykins> some snaps of my island if anyones interested
[18:17] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/em6gqyhhbc4e01p/gT4UekIhov
[18:19] <popey> pretty place
[18:19] <diddledan> daftykins: I'm not sure you can claim ownership
[18:20] <daftykins> diddledan: after an accident one day i was left with a scar on my hand in the exact shape of the island, now i'm King due to old laws
[18:20] <daftykins> it's just yet to sink in to general knowledge... ;)
[18:20] <diddledan> lol
[18:20] <daftykins> popey: sure can be!
[18:20]  * davmor2 has an image of Braveheart in his head with daftykins saying My Island
[18:21] <diddledan> <weird accent>they can take our homes and our familiies and everything, but they cannot take our FREEDOM! oh wait, hang on.</weird accent>
[18:22] <diddledan> obviously that's paraphrased a bit
[18:22]  * dwatkins hands diddledan the blue paint
[18:23] <diddledan> mmm, tasty
[18:29] <diddledan> so, ubuntu phased updates. will they be used for security patches or only non-security updates?
[18:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> https://plus.google.com/u/0/104060033182234025482/posts/FAhn1YNnkjv
[18:37] <daftykins> :D
[18:37] <daftykins> there's a guy over here who has a second bike frame mounted on top of a first, so he's sat right up high like stilts height
[18:38] <daftykins> seems a frightening thing to ride
[18:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yay! England win the Ashes!
[18:44] <brobostigon> the brobostigon'ator is watching TBBT.
[18:45] <diddledan> o_O
[18:46] <diddledan> is that another simon cowell thing. first there was britain's got talent (BGT) now there's TBBT (The best British Talent)?
[18:46] <mgdm> The Big Bang Theory
[18:46] <diddledan> aah
[18:46] <diddledan> close
[18:46] <diddledan> I nearly got it first time
[18:47] <brobostigon> he blasphemed, not knowing TBBT, :D
[18:48] <diddledan> be honest, sciency types can't blaspheme, that's a religious thing.
[18:49] <diddledan> ok, closest seaside has to be more than 50 miles away, yet I keep hearing dozens of gulls
[18:49] <brobostigon> diddledan: yes , i know, cant one make a joke?
[18:49] <diddledan> brobostigon: in your case, probably not. certainly if that's your best effort :-p
[18:50] <ali1234> burn
[18:50] <diddledan> I'm a witch now?
[18:50] <mgdm> diddledan: you're in no position to be revoking anyone's licence to make jokes. :P
[18:51] <diddledan> mgdm: but.. I have a homemade "humour police" shield and everything!
[18:51] <brobostigon> diddledan: my best recent joke, is designing a baby brow for my brother and his partner, that says the following on a prison patterned texture, "i have been inside for 9 months"
[18:51] <diddledan> brobostigon: lol
[18:51] <brobostigon> grow*
[18:52] <brobostigon> diddledan: now thats a joke. :)
[18:53] <TheOpenSourcerer> Time for University Challenge...
[18:53] <diddledan> I'm not geek enough to do well at university challenge
[18:55] <diddledan> the computer related questions are always widdle-easy though.
[18:56] <diddledan> I'm sure they must have had a question along the lines "after what mammal is a computer's pointing device named?"
[18:57] <mgdm> the last computer question I remember was 'what does the A in LAMP stand for?'
[18:57] <diddledan> did paxman pretend he knew the answer?
[18:58] <mgdm> he didn't have to pretend, seeing as it was written in front of him
[18:58] <diddledan> yeah, but sometimes he's incredulous that the teams don't know
[18:58] <diddledan> so he rubs their nose in it
[18:58] <diddledan> he's somewhat confrontational
[18:59] <diddledan> with his "come on!!!!"s
[19:32] <AlanBell> popey: when you hover over the sound indicator, and use the mouse wheel, should it change the volume like it used to do, or should you have to click it and hover over the slider and roll the wheel in what feels to me like the wrong way?
[19:32] <popey> heh
[19:33] <popey> i didnt know you used to be able to by just hovering over the indicator
[19:33] <popey> i thought you always had to open the indicator menu up
[19:33] <MartijnVdS> i filed a bug about that 2 weeks ago
[19:33] <popey> yay
[19:33] <MartijnVdS> let me find the number
[19:34] <MartijnVdS> bug 1220470
[19:34] <MartijnVdS> which got merged into bug 1204036
[19:36]  * popey "Me too's"
[19:38] <AlanBell> I guess the dash downloading and showing you screenshots of applications you ask it to launch is a feature though
[19:38] <AlanBell> oh, maybe they stopped that now
[19:39] <AlanBell> yay, they did
[19:40] <ali1234> wow, i thought everyone knew about the mouse wheel thing
[19:40] <ali1234> i wonder if that is broken if you use the sound indicator on gnome-panel?
[19:41] <AlanBell> it is a really nice feature, because you can change it without taking focus from any windows
[19:41] <ali1234> yes
[19:42] <ali1234> switching focus is always risky
[19:42] <ali1234> although technically clicking the indicator doesn't remove focus from the current window, at least not with gnome-panel and metacity
[19:43] <AlanBell> mainly because videos tend to un-fullscreen themselves, even if you do something on another monitor, but you can (could) do the volume change
[19:43] <ali1234> yeah there's that
[19:43] <ali1234> although i have seen applications that will un-fullscreen if you even so much as use the keyboard volume controls
[19:44] <ali1234> and then there's stuff that blocks keyboard controls and trap the mouse inside the fullscreen window (SDL!!!)
[19:45] <ali1234> i think that's fixed in SDL2 though
[19:45] <mungbean> man, i still cannot disable the ubuntu bongos in 12.04
[19:47] <ali1234> my dad accidentally booted into ubuntu one time and then asked me "what's umbongo tv?"
[19:47] <mungbean> :D
[19:48] <mungbean> they drink it in the congo
[19:48] <mungbean> ah, dconf-editor has a setting, maybe 3rd time lucky
[19:59] <diddledan> umbongo tv? where'd the tv come from?
[20:03] <diddledan> I love that about mikrotik software/hardware - lose your router ip and you can still admin it via mac address to reconfigure it's ip to something known (provided you're on the same L2)
[20:04] <diddledan> added benefit is it stays connected even when your local IP changes, such as when you're fiddling
[20:05] <diddledan> and we all know what sysadmins are like for fiddling (I'm no exception there!)
[20:06] <ali1234> i dunno
[20:07] <shauno> they're still problems?  ipv6 solves that for me
[20:07] <ali1234> you can do the mac trick on any router
[20:08] <ali1234> you have to know it's subnet though
[20:09] <AlanBell> how does that work then?
[20:09] <diddledan> knowing the subnet isn't a given
[20:09] <ali1234> you create a fake entry in the arp table for a made up IP, then anything you send to that IP will go to the router's MAC
[20:10] <ali1234> you won't get any packets back though if the subnet is wrong, because the router will just get "no route to host" when it tries to reply
[20:10] <diddledan> mikrotik works without knowing anything about the device other than it's mac
[20:11] <ali1234> most likely it has a special service which broadcasts the router address when it receives a special packet
[20:11] <diddledan> how would that work when I'm in a different subnet tho?
[20:11] <ali1234> because when you're in a different subnet you can send a packet to the router by arp spoofing
[20:11] <ali1234> you just can't receive anything back
[20:12] <ali1234> so the router gets the packet and sends a broadcast packet
[20:13] <shauno> pretty much the same as dhcp, but in reverse order.  you broadcast the answer instead of the question
[20:14] <diddledan> hmm
[20:14] <ali1234> yeah. needs special software on the router, but it's trivial to implement
[20:14] <ali1234> there are other tricks you can use if you don't have that
[20:14] <diddledan> they totally need to implement that kind of feature into ssh(d)
[20:14] <ali1234> why sshd?
[20:15] <diddledan> because most equipment these days has an sshd installed so if you lose a device you will still be able to ssh to it
[20:16] <diddledan> I certainly am not going to advocate using telnet
[20:16] <shauno> I don't get why it's ssh's problem to fix though
[20:18] <diddledan> so who should fix it then?
[20:18] <shauno> well, it's already fixed.  ipv6 link-local addresses + avahi
[20:21] <shauno> ssh is really one of those things that should be left alone to concentrate on what its there for, rather than trying to turn it into a featureset clown car
[20:22] <diddledan> brb, rebooting router
[20:23] <ali1234> "clown car" :D
[20:24] <ali1234> few network devices are completely silent on the network so a good trick is "sudo tcpdump -n -i eth0 ether host aa:bb:cc:dd:ee:ff" and then reboot it
[20:25] <diddledan> wow, did I reboot so quickly my connection didn't drop?
[20:25] <JethroTroll> Who diddled diddledan?
[20:26] <diddledan> that'll be shauno , JethroTroll
[20:26] <diddledan> he's always diddling me
[20:27] <shauno> yeah I've done that before ali1234.  if I don't know what subnet it thinks it's on, just listen for a 'whohas' and make a good guess
[21:12]  * AlanBell contemplates sitting outside watching for perseids
[21:15] <diddledan> too light here
[21:15] <diddledan> bloody streetlighting