=== Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [01:19] =" [06:26] morning everyone [06:26] morning === MooDoo_ is now known as MooDoo [06:27] hey MooDoo ! :) [06:27] how are you today :) [06:27] knightwise: it's 07:27 and I'm in the office.....er FAB ;) [06:34] MooDoo: do you have a long trip to your office? (Im often in mine at that time) [06:35] jussi: no it's about 40 mins from my house, I'm on the 7am start this week [06:35] MooDoo: ahh much longer than my commute then. :D [06:35] * jussi 's commute is approx 15 steps :D [06:35] jussi: ah work from home? [06:36] MooDoo: yep [06:36] MooDoo: what kind of work do you do? [06:36] jussi: tech support for an web hosting company [06:37] ahh yeah. Im one of those nasty salespeople (although for a software/open source type company) [06:37] :) [06:38] (and no, its not canonical :P ) [06:38] hehe [06:41] jussi: as long as you don't sell things the devteam can't make.. ;) [06:41] MartijnVdS: of course I do! [06:41] :P [07:16] anyone know a good command line bittorrent client ? [07:17] rtorrent i think [07:21] yeah, rtorrent is pretty nifty [07:21] morning earthlings [07:21] greetings TheOpenSourcerer [07:21] mornign [07:21] \o TheOpenSourcerer [07:21] ...and everyone else ;) [07:22] Back after a week off. [07:22] Not terribly motivated this morning. :-( [07:22] I can believe it [07:22] TheOpenSourcerer: This week: http://www.gbbf.org.uk/ [07:22] TheOpenSourcerer: if you want something to look forward to ;) [07:22] Ahh [07:23] I've been to that a few times recently. [07:24] Yesterday I was here: http://www.westdean.org.uk/Garden/News%20and%20Events/ChilliFiesta.aspx [07:25] TheOpenSourcerer: cool (hot?) [07:25] yep [07:57] morning [07:59] \o AlanBell [08:16] Morning === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [08:33] good morning everyone, [08:34] Morning. [08:34] morning popey [08:44] morning funky-hatted people [08:44] Good morning all, happy Youth Day! :-D [08:44] bah [08:44] youth [08:45] I remember that [08:48] Good morning peeps :) [08:51] SuperMatt: Remembr youth? If I wasn't going senile, I might remember it [09:03] what class of micro sd card should i be getting for my phone? === mungbean_ is now known as mungbean === mungbean is now known as Guest14455 [09:16] AlanBell: you said alt-tab was better in 13.10, can you test something for me pls? [09:17] on workspace 1, open some apps (terminal and browser for example), then switch to workspace 2, open a terminal there so it's the in-focus app [09:17] now switch back to workspace 1, alt-tab [09:17] note that it keeps you in terminal, rather than taking you to the browser [09:21] nick mungbean === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte === Guest14455 is now known as mungbean_ [09:44] is there anythig faster than a class 10 micro sd? [09:45] yes [09:45] UHS grade 1 [09:46] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital#Speeds [09:47] still 10MB/s? [09:47] my sd card is struggling as i've offset my internal phone storage onto it for apps et [09:47] cos the htc desire has pitiful internal storage [09:47] makes even the keyboard laggy [09:48] but i already have a class 10 [09:49] mungbean_: I've got a class 10 in my Galaxy S3 with quite a few apps on the card, I can't say I've noticed any speed issues, that may just be because its a newer & faster phone though [09:49] i'm not doing the android "move to SD" thing though [09:49] rather formatted part of the sd card to use as internal storage [09:51] mungbean_: I think that you'll be limited by the hardware of the Desire [09:51] :( [09:51] This is my idle speculation [09:51] it speeds up when i clear cache etc [09:52] Yes, I found that with my Nexus One, before I sold it to my Dad [09:52] mungbean_: http://androidforums.com/htc-desire/304477-whats-fastest-sd-card-htc-desire-can-handle.html Suggests that even if you put a class 10 in, the desire is only capeable of accessing at class 6 speeds [09:53] bah [09:53] looks like i have to put up with it then [09:53] my missis doesn't suffer the same [09:54] (or doesn't complain) [09:54] The comment could be something thats not supported by facts though, maybe have to check the hardware spec to confirm it [09:54] apps are certainly getting a lot bigger [09:54] why is ebay and amazon app 10mb+ [09:55] Partly why I continue to use web interfaces rather than apps [09:55] Very much so for Facebook, but then I don't use FB a whole lot any way [09:55] also, remember that the controller matters as much as the card [09:56] and most cards on the market are fakes which don't meet the stated speed class [09:56] The app's are 512K, its the adverts that make up the other 9.5Mb :) [09:56] it works OK sometimes but suffers from android lag [09:56] i was sad to hve to replace tweetdeck [09:57] installed the official twitter app and i have to sign in each time,. doesn't remember password [09:59] damnit, made a cup of tea, left it in the kitchen #fml [10:00] Ha [10:00] popey: nothing worse in life eh? [10:00] That'd be more of problem if it was the kitchen at home and you were in the office [10:00] ewww tea [10:04] Will be sad not to go to oggcamp this year. Will somebody bring back a mug for me? :D [10:04] * popey no longer drinks coffee ☹ [10:04] That said, winning 2 mugs last year in the raffle was a little much [10:04] (which have yet to be used) [10:04] i use mine daily [10:05] Oh, the oggcamp mugs we use, I mean the chalk board mugs are still in their boxes [10:05] Any electricians (amateur or otherwise) in here? I'm looking for a crimp that can securely hold two wires that have been twisted together without anything else come in and touch them. Sort of like a poor man's terminal connection. Certain they exist but I can't convince Google or Amazon to show me them. What's the proper name? [10:05] Duct tape? [10:06] That is my current option, yes [10:06] Thats about as near as I could come up with [10:06] Oli: so you don't want to use a chocolate block? [10:06] Chocolate blocks [10:06] bigcalm: truth is there may be more than one cable... There may be three or four. [10:07] yeah, you should use choc blocks [10:07] Oh okay, you win [10:07] http://www.amazon.co.uk/BLUE-BUTT-TERMINAL-CRIMP-CONNECTORS/dp/B0046V1G9I/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1376302033&sr=8-2&keywords=crimp+connectors [10:07] or those are what you specifically asked for? [10:07] There are some I've used on a car that take a 2 cables into a connector, the connector has a hole at each end and just compresses using pliers [10:07] http://www.amazon.co.uk/Way-Gel-Filled-Connector-Crimps-Packet/dp/B007FGX3TW/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1376302050&sr=8-8&keywords=crimp+connectors [10:07] or those for multi-way [10:07] Hmmh, popey read my mind [10:08] amazon did [10:08] Morning all [10:08] Butt terminals could do the job... [10:08] That was exactly what I was thinking of anyway [10:08] That gel one looks a bit whacky [10:08] Waterproof though [10:09] True [10:10] That just makes want to go out and buy a packet of gummi bears [10:10] These are what I was thinking of origininally: http://img.alibaba.com/wsphoto/v0/602861800_1/free-shipping-1000-pcs-Nylon-Crimp-Caps-Gauge-Wire-Connectors-Terminals-Close-End-Wire-Terminal.jpg [10:11] I think that there is a kind of screw on version of those as well [10:12] That sounds familiar [10:14] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twist-on_wire_connector [10:18] popey: yes, it does [10:18] hmm, is that expected or not I wonder [10:22] seems like a bug to me? [10:27] dunno, I expect the developers would dispute that [10:27] however the designers might not [10:28] alt-tab takes you to the last application type you had focus on, which was terminal, on the other workspace [10:29] i will poke a designer [10:29] and then talk to them on irc [10:29] or it takes you to the last window you had open, which was terminal on the other workspace [10:37] should i be able to add my ssh key to a keyring so i never have to type the password after logging in? [10:38] doesn't seem to work for me [10:38] yes, you should. [10:41] ah, under details i had "lock this key when i log out" selected [10:42] AlanBell: confirmed with design it's a bug, can you confirm pls https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1211261 [10:42] Launchpad bug 1211261 in unity (Ubuntu) "alt-tab selects incorrect window when using workspaces" [Undecided,New] [10:45] popey: do you sometimes see the top bar shadow overlayed on browser tabs of maximised browsers? [10:45] especially after changing monitor configurations a bit [10:47] i can't say i have [10:47] but i haven't plugged my laptop into an external display for a while [10:48] bigcalm: i may have to duck out of the real ale train ☹ [10:48] Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo :( [10:50] Life happens to us all but you shall be missed [10:51] * TheOpenSourcerer will also not be going on the RAT - I'll be in Italy. Anyone want to buy my ticket? [10:51] well, i _could_ go, but i am off booze, so I would have to set around watching you lot get drunk [10:51] :O [10:51] Oh gawd [10:51] guess i could go ☻ [10:52] and drive home after ☻ [10:52] designated driver \o/ [10:52] yeah, why not, i love steam trains and I've already paid for the ticket :D [10:52] I was thinking about going but it's a bit of a trek [10:52] popey: just make it 10£ per person for a lift home, and youll end up with more than you came... [10:52] TheOpenSourcerer: I might, I will investigate further after lunch [10:52] haha [10:52] Is this a short term change of drinking habit, or does it continue to the 25th October? [10:52] good idea! [10:53] bigcalm: not sure [10:53] see what doc says [10:53] Oh, medical reasons :/ [10:53] popey: there will be other drinks, so as long as you come :) [10:54] popey: Change your doc. Mine recommends 21 Units a day ;-) [10:54] haah [10:54] Nice [10:54] TheOpenSourcerer: are you your own doctor? :D [10:54] mgdm: a bit of a trek, but a damn good night out [10:54] lol - nope. [10:55] bigcalm: where is it again? [10:55] alton [10:55] mgdm: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2320-real-ale-train/ [10:55] (not Alton Towers) [10:57] We need an #ubuntu-uk meet at Alton Towers!! [10:57] AlanBell will smuggle the food in. [11:04] Did somebody mention cake? What a good idea [11:04] bigcalm: the cake is a lie! [11:05] === JethroTroll is now known as RaycisCharles [11:10] This cake is no lie :D [11:10] it is a lie to us :P [11:11] http://pushingthewrongbuttons.tumblr.com/post/57971649835/sunday-is-cake-baking-day [11:11] * bigcalm noms [11:12] bigcalm: very nice [11:12] davmor2: I may have over done the butter icing a little [11:18] morning alls [11:22] For a moment, I thought you were only greeting the Alans of the channel [11:25] i think this page needs removing http://ubuntu-uk.org/ircstats/ === mungbean_ is now known as mungbean [11:25] it's almost a year old [11:26] But weren't we all, once? [11:28] I think some of us still are [11:28] I'll have you know I'm at least one and three quarters. [11:29] Apologies, I think I'm having an alergic reaction to Monday. It's making me very silly. [11:33] i'll set it to redirect to brobostigon's stats [11:33] where are they? [11:56] chkconfig not install in ubuntu12.10 [11:58] sudo apt-get install chkconfig [11:59] i try to install apt-get i face problem "E: Package 'chkconfig' has no installation candidate" [12:00] popey [12:02] ooh, seems it's been removed [12:02] i wonder why [12:02] http://askubuntu.com/questions/221293/why-chkconfig-is-not-available-in-ubuntu-12-10 === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch === liam_ is now known as Guest22339 [12:18] man gvfs has a big hit on speed, nautilus over ssh using gvfs 4.2 Gb/s, scp 11.8 Gb/s on the same file [12:19] why does Firefox not use libnotify other than it not linking directly to downloads folder after a download being completed [12:19] davmor2: GB not KB? [12:19] Or even MB [12:20] bigcalm: it's a backup on the local network [12:20] I would be happy with 4.2GB/s over a network connection :) [12:21] bigcalm: no you're right sorry Mb/s [12:21] but still it's a huge performance hit [12:21] * bigcalm prints and frames [12:22] bigcalm: only this time most of the time you're wrong :P [12:22] Ha [12:23] bigcalm: as I say though it's still a huge speed difference scp for the win me thinks :) [12:24] Quite [12:24] I see the same over CIFS. Haven't checked the speed of NFS yet [12:29] I've got my NAS mounted via NFS, and I get 11 Megabytes/s out of it. [12:29] nfsstat tells me I'm using NFS v3. [12:49] <^2fC> lo :) [12:49] I get 113MB/s read over gigabit+NFS [12:50] Fades a bit after a few seconds to ~100-110MB/s [12:50] And that's a pv copy from RAID5 (nfs server) to /dev/null (so there's no write slowdown factored into that) [12:58] I imagine my speed is somewhat reduced by being over 100 MBit/s ethernet and to a rather old netbook. [13:02] just ate the most disappointing sandwich ever. [13:05] what was in it, just margarine, mungbean? === liam_ is now known as Guest67532 [13:05] plum sauce and duck [13:05] sounds lovely but was tasteless and minging [13:10] mmm duck [13:11] i hope the stats are working right. [13:12] i've lost the tux babygro ..wonder if my wife has "lost" it [13:12] wanted to put my daughter in it [13:14] https://github.com/philipl/pifs [13:19] why doesfirefox not use libnotify for notifications === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:22] brobostigon: link? [13:24] taylorworld.me.uk/ubuntu-uk.HTML [13:24] sorry, it messed up the case. [13:24] looks like it's working fine [13:25] cool, good. [13:25] do you also collect monthly stats rather than alltime brobostigon-quas ? [13:26] and what happened to gord? [13:27] umm. [13:27] http://ubuntu-uk.org/ircstats/ now redirects [13:27] he left canonical to do other things [13:27] some while back now [13:27] OK. I will do my best to keep it running properly. [13:28] mrevell: did Chris Molozian move to another company? [13:29] sorry i didn't explain, i mean, "most active nicks" is often more useful over a month period rather than all time , innit? [13:29] mgdm, I think he is contracting. [13:29] mrevell: Ah. I got an email from Lee this morning saying 'Chris is no longer with us', which I took to mean he'd left the company, not that he'd left this existence... [13:29] hah, no, he is alive :) [13:30] hehe [13:30] good :-) [14:05] "Please clear this box if you would not like to receive offers and information from us" [14:05] arggh confusing!! [14:17] mungbean: i hate the ones that have two boxes, one you have to tick, one you have to not tick [14:18] yes, there followed a similar reverse question [14:18] was stressful enough jst buying the product [14:18] heh [14:18] roofbars for my motor [14:20] * bigcalm returns from a lunch time nap - working from home++ [14:20] i wonder if g+ will ever take off [14:21] i just have loads of contacts who never post anything, and nr do i [14:22] I use it quite a lot, but most people I know on there are technical-types. [14:22] ask.fm must have benefitted from a lot of free publicity from the dailymail as somebody has signed up with my email address. [14:24] how does that get them free publicity? === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea [14:25] I'd say G+ has taken off [14:25] I've stopped looking at it [14:25] given both my brother and sister out of the blue said they want to leave facebook, and try something else like twitter & G+ [14:25] neither of them are techy at all [14:26] and I never talk about G+ to them, so it's not my influence === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g [14:33] my niece left Facebook for a week. [14:33] i like facebook [14:33] she's 15, though, this sort of thing is just what I expect as the on-going drama of being a teenager ;) [14:34] I saw the reason why - some kid at her school was horrid [14:34] (in a completely inappropriate way, too, but I won't go into details) [14:34] It's going to be amazing for kids these days when they're 40 and they look back at all this crap that Facebook kindly logged for them. [14:34] my aunt created a new account because "my old one had thousands of friends, and I wanted a clean start" [14:35] my neice posted photos of her driving license online ☹ [14:35] i just got bored with facebook [14:35] ended up with 2 accounts as someone invited me and i was unable to work out how to add them to what i already had [14:35] my family alone is around 70 people [14:35] maybe nearer 100 [14:36] cousins and brothers , uncles etc [14:36] That's a lot of people. [14:37] i have "30 friends" apparently [14:37] On facebook or just generally? [14:39] fb [14:39] i have about 30 in my staging area [14:39] similar number waiting in linked for rejection [14:39] You make your friends audition? [14:39] and i follow 1100 people on G+ [14:39] cripes [14:39] if I post a picture of my kids building a robot arm, on Facebook people are more interested in what my kids are up to in the holidays, on G+ people want to know what python library we used [14:40] :D [14:40] fb has more control and access to comments and notifications [14:40] g+ handling of all that is terrible [14:40] I have zero clue who sees what on facebook [14:40] and why stuff turns up in my feed [14:40] AlanBell, cool re robot arm [14:40] some of my family found out of my fathers death because someone tagged him and said something [14:40] tom on the dclug has a voice controlled robot arm [14:41] so everyone who is a friend of his found out [14:41] not good i guess [14:41] indeed [14:41] unless you want that info out there, then its an excellent medium [14:41] I tagged someone on facebook who I wasn't aware had passed away :( [14:42] at some point I will probably unfriend pretty much everyone who isn't a relative on facebook [14:42] thats exactly what I did [14:42] and only use fb for family and for school / ballet groups, and admin of UUPC etc [14:42] i belong to a large church (well over 1000 ppl each week), so there's a massive social side too [14:43] i just go to the page of my local rugby club, theyh have several, i can't be botered enough to make an account and trawl all the different club fb pages for info [14:43] its a good way for people to share their lives when you don't get chance to see them each week [14:43] yeah but if done properly [14:43] yeah, since my dad went, his wife is on fb a lot, staying in contact and asking me for pc support [14:44] but the club also has a website it would be better to put events there and then have everyone share on their individual pages [14:45] i like the look of the plymouthwebdev group it has one simple webpage and a twitter link [14:45] so nice and simple, the page as info about them and info as to when the meetings are [14:48] http://www.bbc.co.uk/cbeebies/lingo-show/songs/lingo-show-blodwen-hello/ [15:00] What is this?! [15:00] It burns. [15:01] * popey chuckles at @straightprideuk going full streisand [15:01] although pretty sure it's an elaborate troll. [15:03] it is probably Anne Widicombe [15:17] considering they mention gingerpride...pretty sure. [15:19] is codeplex good or bad? http://phpexcel.codeplex.com/ looks potentially useful [15:19] HI guys, i try to configure sudo but got a syntax error could you guys have a look at it ? [15:20] halt: that doesn't quite make sense, but do ask your real question [15:20] I have just simple file called user in the /etc/sudoers.d folder with 0440 permission, and the content of the file is "user ALL=NOPASSWD:/bin/su admin_user" [15:20] oh, maybe it does make sense :) [15:21] i got the >>> /etc/sudoers.d/user: syntax error near line 0 <<< message [15:28] AlanBell: got it I think it's a bug [15:28] i have to open one more line in the file [15:29] then it's wroking, so if i have one single line then it's give me a sytax error, if i have one enter on the end of the line then it's works [16:53] popey: do you do full drive backups with rsnapshot? if so, can you show me your backup line? :) [16:55] rdiff-backup FTW :D === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away [17:03] Azelphur: backup line? [17:03] yea, the line with all the excludes and scuh [17:03] such( [17:04] i dont have excludes in the individual backup lines [17:04] i have excludes separately [17:04] oh? [17:04] because i do the same excludes on all machines [17:04] I see [17:04] I'm game for that anyway tbh, would be nice to have full drive backups of all my stuff [17:05] i exclude /dev /proc /tmp /sys /lib/udev/devices and /home/.ecryptfs === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD [17:06] cool, ty :) [17:19] np [17:27] Just wasted 40 minutes of my life checking DLL versions on Windows copies of Apache2 / OpenSSL [17:27] awilkins: why? [17:27] Can anybody suggest a reason for this http://imagebin.org/267290 Updated software is available, do I want to install it, but it doesn't tell me what it wants to update [17:27] diddledan, Because our IT department gives us a free Security Check and sends us horrible vulnerability reports [17:28] diddledan, The real question is : why the hell are we running services that run entirely off Apache, Java and Tomcat on *!&^^£!"£ Windows 2003 server [17:28] DJones: it's a malware update :-p [17:28] The philosophical question is : Why doesn't Windows have a proper fricking package manager [17:29] awilkins: ouch, and yes, it should be running on a POSIX system! [17:29] diddledan: At least updating in a terminal tells me its bamfdaemon, libbamf3-1 and libdvdnav4 [17:29] The answer to the question is that these are virtual machines and our ICT dept is too "underskilled" to support Linux in a VM [17:29] DJones: as I said, malware :-p [17:30] whart?! [17:30] Bah [17:30] diddledan, They only have people who know how to break Windows, ysee [17:30] thank god our techy team (including me in that) is entirely linux-based [17:31] we're only small though, so we're able to be agile in that way [17:31] Right, I'm blowing this popsicle stand and going home [17:31] I've finally started moving our old outdated gentoo systems to ubuntu \o/ [17:32] our issue tracker and nagios setup are going to be the first to go [18:17] some snaps of my island if anyones interested [18:17] https://www.dropbox.com/sh/em6gqyhhbc4e01p/gT4UekIhov [18:19] pretty place [18:19] daftykins: I'm not sure you can claim ownership [18:20] diddledan: after an accident one day i was left with a scar on my hand in the exact shape of the island, now i'm King due to old laws [18:20] it's just yet to sink in to general knowledge... ;) [18:20] lol [18:20] popey: sure can be! [18:20] * davmor2 has an image of Braveheart in his head with daftykins saying My Island [18:21] they can take our homes and our familiies and everything, but they cannot take our FREEDOM! oh wait, hang on. [18:22] obviously that's paraphrased a bit [18:22] * dwatkins hands diddledan the blue paint [18:23] mmm, tasty [18:29] so, ubuntu phased updates. will they be used for security patches or only non-security updates? [18:34] https://plus.google.com/u/0/104060033182234025482/posts/FAhn1YNnkjv [18:37] :D [18:37] there's a guy over here who has a second bike frame mounted on top of a first, so he's sat right up high like stilts height [18:38] seems a frightening thing to ride [18:43] Yay! England win the Ashes! [18:44] the brobostigon'ator is watching TBBT. [18:45] o_O [18:46] is that another simon cowell thing. first there was britain's got talent (BGT) now there's TBBT (The best British Talent)? [18:46] The Big Bang Theory [18:46] aah [18:46] close [18:46] I nearly got it first time [18:47] he blasphemed, not knowing TBBT, :D [18:48] be honest, sciency types can't blaspheme, that's a religious thing. [18:49] ok, closest seaside has to be more than 50 miles away, yet I keep hearing dozens of gulls [18:49] diddledan: yes , i know, cant one make a joke? [18:49] brobostigon: in your case, probably not. certainly if that's your best effort :-p [18:50] burn [18:50] I'm a witch now? [18:50] diddledan: you're in no position to be revoking anyone's licence to make jokes. :P [18:51] mgdm: but.. I have a homemade "humour police" shield and everything! [18:51] diddledan: my best recent joke, is designing a baby brow for my brother and his partner, that says the following on a prison patterned texture, "i have been inside for 9 months" [18:51] brobostigon: lol [18:51] grow* [18:52] diddledan: now thats a joke. :) [18:53]