cub | Hi xequence how's the debconf? | 09:51 |
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xequence | cub: Very nice | 09:52 |
cub | Are you staying the whole week? | 09:52 |
xequence | cub: You said something about the menu after I left last time | 09:53 |
xequence | Editing the menu manually with gui tools wont work with the custom menu | 09:53 |
xequence | or, it didnt before anyway | 09:53 |
cub | haha yes, there was an app to change the menus | 09:53 |
xequence | There are a few | 09:53 |
cub | hmm I did some tests on my 13.04 and added a "Audio Programming" item with an app in it | 09:53 |
xequence | alacarte is the one commonly used on gnome | 09:53 |
xequence | Adding your own stuff, yes, but how about the existing custom menu entries? | 09:54 |
cub | I don't remember the menu exactly but settings - main menu something | 09:54 |
xequence | Adding stuff to those | 09:54 |
cub | I didn't test but they were there so I suppose I would be able to hide things or add new items | 09:54 |
cub | could do a test during lunch time | 09:55 |
cub | Another thing, if you have the time. You mentioned earlier that the low-latency kernel might use a bit more resources than the general, so using more battery on a laptop | 09:56 |
cub | How much difference do you think it is? | 09:56 |
cub | I'm running US on my eee pc now and it has low battery time as it is. I won't do any audio work on it so I was thinking if I would get a few minutes more if running a general kernel | 09:57 |
xequence | cub: Ive never measured, but having been running lowlatency on this machine for many hours, I dont think its a huge difference, if there is one | 09:58 |
cub | Ok, I won't bother then. | 09:58 |
xequence | the biggest difference between the two is probably throughput. -lowlatency has 10% less throughput, from what Ive understood | 09:59 |
xequence | This is mostly bad for servers | 09:59 |
cub | yeah not a problem for my browsing and libre office work. :P | 09:59 |
xequence | -lowlateny might be a good desktop kernel | 09:59 |
cub | I'm quite swamped at home for a couple of weeks, but I'm trying to take a look at that Accessability for visually impaired from the devel-maillist | 10:15 |
cub | Josh, the OP, seems to have been quite active on the Vinux support groups so he might have some good input | 10:16 |
cub | http://vinuxproject.org/ , "Vinux is a Ubuntu derived distribution optimised for the needs of blind and partially sighted users." | 10:17 |
cub | from what I've seen most applications are available in the repos. The main point I think is to include Orca and maybe Brltty in the DVD so it can be started in Live mode and work during the installation process. | 10:19 |
xequence | cub: I'd really prefer to stay out of that completely. Seems like there are people who know their stuff, and if someone just proposes some changes, I can help make them. | 10:40 |
xequence | I'm currently working on a couple of debian packages | 10:40 |
xequence | going to try get ardour3 uploaded soon | 10:40 |
cub | Why not? Standard Ubuntu include Orca on installation | 10:40 |
xequence | Why not, what? | 10:41 |
cub | cub: I'd really prefer to stay out of that completely. | 10:42 |
cub | Why should we stay out of accessibility? | 10:42 |
xequence | Me, personally | 10:42 |
cub | ah | 10:42 |
xequence | I have enough to do as it is | 10:42 |
xequence | And I don't know anything about that stuff either | 10:42 |
xequence | so, if someone comes up with a good list of changes we could make, I'll happily make them | 10:43 |
cub | absolutely, I was thinking I would look into how others do it, what we would need to include in the DVD. But then someone would have to do the magic to get it in there. | 10:43 |
cub | As I have worked with visually impaired tools before I jumped into it. | 10:43 |
xequence | might be as easy as just adding a couple of packages to our seeds | 10:43 |
cub | I think so. | 10:43 |
cub | I used to work as a sound tech and then later IT tech at "Synskadades Riksförbund" here in Stockholm | 10:45 |
xequence | You should have the best experience in that then | 10:45 |
xequence | Oh, I took a picture of myself with the t-shirt today | 10:46 |
xequence | going to send it to the list | 10:46 |
cub | It was some time ago, but yeah. I hope to get good feedback from Josh who can do the "real" testing | 10:46 |
cub | nice. I'm waiting for my package to arrive. | 10:46 |
smartboyhw | Hello xequence | 11:02 |
DarkEra | heya smartboyhw and the others | 11:06 |
smartboyhw | Hey DarkEra haven't seen you for a while:) | 11:06 |
DarkEra | that's true, been busy renovating the house, family came over for a visit and i'm still on my netbook. I think i'll be able to get a new machine somewhere in the first quarter of 2014 | 11:08 |
smartboyhw | DarkEra, oh | 11:10 |
xequence | Hey everyone | 11:12 |
DarkEra | hi xequence | 11:12 |
xequence | Just posted a pic of me wearing the t-shirt | 11:12 |
smartboyhw | xequence, where? | 11:12 |
xequence | hoping it doesnt get blocked | 11:12 |
xequence | on our devel mail list | 11:12 |
smartboyhw | *blink* | 11:12 |
smartboyhw | xequence, haven't received it yet | 11:13 |
xequence | It requires approval | 11:13 |
smartboyhw | xequence, wait, why do YOU need approval? | 11:13 |
xequence | because of the jpg file | 11:14 |
smartboyhw | Hmm... | 11:14 |
smartboyhw | xequence, just can't you approve yourself? | 11:14 |
xequence | Just about to | 11:15 |
smartboyhw | xequence, LO | 11:16 |
smartboyhw | *LOL | 11:16 |
* smartboyhw proposes to set that image as the default wallpaper for Ubuntu Studio 13.10. | 11:16 | |
DarkEra | nice :) | 11:19 |
smartboyhw | xequence, real nice | 11:19 |
smartboyhw | xequence, Any changes of products should go through one or more of the leading | 11:20 |
smartboyhw | members. Myself and madeinkobaia in particular, before released. | 11:20 |
smartboyhw | It's important for me that we maintain a nice quality and well designed | 11:20 |
smartboyhw | products. | 11:20 |
smartboyhw | I think I would rather write a proposal on that:P | 11:20 |
xequence | There are currently only three people involved in the webshop | 11:22 |
xequence | me, madeinkobaia and ttoine - who runs it | 11:22 |
smartboyhw | xequence, yep:) | 11:23 |
xequence | Pretty much everything needs to go through me, but if there is a good routine in place, I can just trust the people who are working on it | 11:23 |
smartboyhw | I think though, we should be able to get it out soon | 11:23 |
smartboyhw | ttoine, do respond to the mail:) | 11:23 |
smartboyhw | I do have the question in mind of who gets the money of the profits generated by the product sales | 11:24 |
smartboyhw | I really don't know | 11:24 |
smartboyhw | xequence, are you in your home while taking the photo? | 11:24 |
xequence | my sisters place here in Switzerland | 11:28 |
xequence | smartboyhw: We are on top of the problems surrounding the webshop. If you have questions aside from those presented in my email, please answer it | 11:29 |
xequence | smartboyhw: Otherwise, as I've suggested to you many times. Find something to work on, and do your best to do that work well | 11:30 |
smartboyhw | xequence, ? | 11:30 |
xequence | smartboyhw: you are a member of many teams, but you spend most of the time jumping into all sorts of discussions | 11:31 |
xequence | you are 14 years old, right? | 11:31 |
xequence | it would be good if you take some time to think about the difference in age and experience you have | 11:32 |
smartboyhw | xequence, 15 now, actually | 11:32 |
xequence | and act according to your age a bit more | 11:32 |
xequence | if you want to help, please do | 11:32 |
xequence | but, find something to work on | 11:32 |
smartboyhw | xequence, um, what are YOU expecting as to "act according to my age"? | 11:33 |
smartboyhw | From my parent's perspective, it's study... study... study... | 11:33 |
xequence | for one thing, dont start arguing with people here for no reason | 11:33 |
smartboyhw | xequence, I don't start arguing here with no reason | 11:34 |
xequence | Negating foolishly is one type of arguing | 11:36 |
xequence | What we do here is try to improve multimedia for Debian/UBuntu | 11:36 |
xequence | It is good to keep that in mind in every situation and try not to spend energy on unimportant details | 11:38 |
cub | smartboyhw, I asked ttoine about the prices and possible earnings from the shop. There won't be any earnings, which was also part of the licencing IIRC | 11:43 |
cub | xequence, the Settings -> Main Menu managed to change in the custom menus as well, just tested on my 13.04. | 11:47 |
xequence | cub: Cool. I assume thats the original menu? | 12:00 |
xequence | meaning, you didnt add what Len has been working on during saucy | 12:00 |
cub | No this is my test VM for 13.04. Just ordinary apt-get updates done on it | 12:01 |
smartboyhw | xequence, OK so if you want me to find something to work on, give me a list at least... | 12:01 |
smartboyhw | cub, great:) | 12:01 |
cub | Since I run a Mac at work I installed a VM to be able to check ubuntuforms stuff while at work. Since that's my best contributions so far . :P | 12:01 |
xequence | smartboyhw: linux-rt, testing documentation, developing ubuntustudio-controls, look at the packages we have in the repo and clean out those we dont use (ubuntustudio-sounds) | 12:03 |
smartboyhw | xequence, actually, I do want to do linux-rt:) | 12:03 |
smartboyhw | Maybe I should play with it | 12:03 |
xequence | I cant promise you will be the one who uploads it, but if you do the work, I'll make sure to give you the credit for it | 12:04 |
smartboyhw | xequence, here's the problem: I do remember compiling the 3.10 -rt patch failed for me;P | 12:04 |
xequence | smartboyhw: you'll need to do it the ubuntu way | 12:05 |
xequence | using dpkg tools | 12:05 |
smartboyhw | xequence, any docs? | 12:05 |
xequence | smartboyhw: use linux-lowlatency as an example. Create a debian.rt flavor | 12:06 |
smartboyhw | xequence, sure, where's your saucy linux-lowlatency git code? | 12:06 |
* smartboyhw thinks that is more convenient | 12:06 | |
xequence | I dont have it myself yet | 12:06 |
smartboyhw | xequence, uh oh, apw doesn't have the saucy code online | 12:07 |
smartboyhw | :( | 12:07 |
xequence | hmm, doesn't seem like apw has it up either | 12:08 |
smartboyhw | Damn:P | 12:08 |
xequence | you can get the source with apt-get or pull-lp-source though | 12:08 |
smartboyhw | xequence, yeah | 12:08 |
xequence | you can then make it a git repo if you want | 12:08 |
* smartboyhw goes ask in #ubuntu-kernel to get apw make a git repo for -lowlatency | 12:08 | |
xequence | smartboyhw: no | 12:09 |
smartboyhw | xequence, oh? | 12:09 |
smartboyhw | saucy I mean... | 12:09 |
xequence | smartboyhw: I'll be taking over the development repo soon enough | 12:09 |
smartboyhw | xequence, OK, /me parts #ubuntu-kernel | 12:09 |
xequence | Making a git repo is good if you want to keep track of your commits | 12:10 |
* smartboyhw likes vcs :) | 12:10 | |
smartboyhw | Uh, but cloning the vanilla Ubuntu kernel git code takes a lot of time... | 12:10 |
smartboyhw | xequence, saucy will probably include the 3.11 kernel, so we will only be shipping 3.10 if we want -rt... | 12:14 |
smartboyhw | Fortunately, that will not happen for 14.04 LTS:P | 12:14 |
xequence | I was thinking we add the rt kernel for 14.04, so no hurry | 12:15 |
xequence | but its good if we can build it soon | 12:15 |
smartboyhw | xequence, sure thing:) | 12:16 |
ttoine | cub, smartboyhw I confirm: no benefit at all with the current licence. | 12:17 |
smartboyhw | ttoine, yeah.... | 12:18 |
ttoine | zequence, when will we speak about the shop ? | 12:18 |
smartboyhw | ttoine, please ping xequence now:) | 12:18 |
ttoine | who is xequence ? | 12:18 |
smartboyhw | xequence, = zequence | 12:18 |
smartboyhw | In debconf | 12:18 |
xequence | ttoine: I'm not at home right now, an cant login to my server at home | 12:18 |
ttoine | definitive ? | 12:18 |
xequence | ttoine: I wrote an email on the list. Did you read it? | 12:19 |
ttoine | xequence, ok. | 12:19 |
ttoine | no, I didn't see this email. but I was thinking more about anouncement on the blog and social networks | 12:19 |
ttoine | and a link on our website menu | 12:19 |
xequence | ttoine: Yes, but I think there are a few details Id like to go through first | 12:20 |
ttoine | yes ? | 12:20 |
xequence | Basically, as I wrote in the email, I would like it if you could sum up the legal details, so I can use that as reference | 12:21 |
xequence | and, I'd like to look at what more we can do for the webshop. To design it | 12:21 |
xequence | We should settle for something, and the run with it | 12:22 |
xequence | at least until 14.04 | 12:22 |
xequence | and changes for products should always go trough me and madeinkobaia. | 12:22 |
xequence | before making them available, that is | 12:22 |
ttoine | to design it ?? we can't design a lot of stuff in spreadshirt... | 12:22 |
xequence | Well, maybe I should create my own account there, so I can see how it works | 12:23 |
ttoine | xequence, I won't create new available stuff, but I will continue to play with spreadshirt and see how we can create more stuff | 12:24 |
ttoine | the next step is to add vectorial stuff for embrodery, I am on the way for that (baseball cap, polo, etc...) | 12:24 |
ttoine | xequence, why wait until 14.04 ??? | 12:25 |
xequence | I meant about the look of the webshop | 12:25 |
ttoine | xequence, there is 5 themes | 12:25 |
xequence | and some art will only be available after 14.04 | 12:25 |
xequence | 5 themes, nothing more? | 12:25 |
ttoine | the other way is to insert it to our website through iframe code | 12:25 |
cub | "you can get any colour you like, as long as it's black." | 12:25 |
ttoine | xequence, something like that. Not a lot of option. Otherwise we have to pay 60 € per year to become a premium partner | 12:26 |
ttoine | cub, for shirt | 12:26 |
ttoine | not for the shop | 12:26 |
xequence | ttoine: I see. | 12:27 |
xequence | ttoine: Could you send me the iframe code by email? I'll try playing with that while making the page for the webshop. | 12:27 |
ttoine | xequence, cub http://i.imgur.com/BIwodSi.png | 12:29 |
cub | xequence, that reminds me, have you heard anything from nick on the progress with the wordpress stuff? | 12:29 |
ttoine | here is the look and feel options | 12:29 |
xequence | cub: No. He kind of disappeared | 12:29 |
cub | Oh ttoine there seems to be baby clothes in the shop? My daughter wants one, I'm sure. :D | 12:30 |
ttoine | you select a theme, and then you can change some stuff | 12:30 |
ttoine | xequence, So at the moment, the work I did is useless | 12:31 |
cub | mhm they would want to keep some features and design for the premium partners. | 12:31 |
ttoine | the same for the work of madeinkobia | 12:31 |
ttoine | cub, yes | 12:32 |
xequence | ttoine: What do you mean by useless? | 12:33 |
ttoine | if it is confidential for 9 monthes... | 12:33 |
ttoine | it means that for 14.04 you may want to produce new artwork and stuff | 12:34 |
ttoine | I think we should launch the shop now | 12:34 |
ttoine | and get feedback | 12:34 |
xequence | ttoine: For 14.04, we will have new artork that is specific to that release. Doesn't mean we will be cancelling what we did now | 12:34 |
xequence | ttoine: the time it takes is not up to me | 12:34 |
xequence | it takes the time it takes | 12:34 |
xequence | the important thing is that the work is good | 12:35 |
xequence | we are all busy | 12:35 |
xequence | no reason to be in a hurry | 12:35 |
ttoine | but you think the work is not good enough at the moment ? | 12:35 |
xequence | it takes you many months to get something done, then you expect everyone else should be lightning fast | 12:35 |
cub | Aren't you kind of in agreement? Launch a shop now with the designs that is in there. Then a overhaul in time for 14.04? | 12:35 |
xequence | please | 12:35 |
xequence | lets just take the time we need | 12:36 |
ttoine | xequence, what does it miss ? I can't understand why we need more time ? | 12:36 |
ttoine | it is online, we have nice stuff available | 12:36 |
xequence | ttoine: So, I should just post a link at our website and we are all done? | 12:37 |
xequence | ttoine: did you read my email yet? | 12:37 |
xequence | ttoine: Lets just work together, ok? | 12:38 |
xequence | preparing the art for the t-shirts was not easy | 12:38 |
xequence | some things take time | 12:39 |
xequence | we waited for you for two months | 12:39 |
xequence | but, theres no hurry after all | 12:39 |
cub | xequence, about the accessibility things, I suppose I need to have something done before the 22nd of Aug, feature freeze? | 12:44 |
xequence | cub: Yes. That's really the date when all our changes should be done. After that, we only fix bugs, if any are found | 12:45 |
xequence | I can't get the code to ubuntustudio-controls | 12:47 |
ttoine | xequence, watch your mails | 12:47 |
xequence | If anyone wants to try, its: bzr branch lp:ubuntustudio-controls | 12:47 |
smartboyhw | xequence, why you can't get? | 12:47 |
ttoine | xequence, actually, If I would have the artwork before summer, I could have open the shop earlier. in June and July, I had no time. | 12:48 |
xequence | ttoine: I'm not a magician, neither is madeinkoabia | 12:49 |
smartboyhw | xequence, I can get the code here I think... | 12:49 |
xequence | ttoine: We just have to work with what we have | 12:49 |
ttoine | xequence, me too | 12:49 |
ttoine | I know that | 12:49 |
xequence | ttoine: Thanks for the email. Very informative | 12:49 |
ttoine | xequence, all that is in the email was already discussed on this channel, it is just a summary ;-) | 12:49 |
xequence | ttoine: Its better you sum it up, who have the details. I would never have remembered that your name was involved, for instance | 12:50 |
ttoine | xequence, it is just that I am involved in Ubuntu Studio for a long time now. And sometime it is frustrating to see how long it takes to get things done... | 12:51 |
ttoine | they just need a legal contact | 12:51 |
smartboyhw | That's because we are a small team I think, and we all have our lifes *sigh* | 12:51 |
xequence | smartboyhw: YOu had no problems getting the source? | 12:52 |
ttoine | by the way, it means that if we do something bad with the licence, I am the legal contact, so please, don't play ;-) | 12:52 |
smartboyhw | xequence, well at least gitting the source isn't a good idea;P I ran apt-get source instead | 12:52 |
xequence | I need to be able to upload to the branch as well | 12:53 |
xequence | seems like there's a LP bug | 12:53 |
smartboyhw | xequence, or you mean ubuntustudio-controls? | 12:53 |
smartboyhw | I thought xequence is talking about linux:P | 12:53 |
* cub thinks the new theme on the spreadshirt site looks better. | 12:54 | |
smartboyhw | xequence, hmm I can't branch it | 12:54 |
smartboyhw | It seems stuck in the midle | 12:54 |
smartboyhw | *middle | 12:54 |
xequence | yes | 12:56 |
xequence | Ill file a bug | 12:56 |
xequence | ü0p9o7gz65teqayqawertzpü$ | 12:56 |
smartboyhw | xequence, !? | 12:56 |
xequence | just cleaning my keyboard :D | 12:56 |
smartboyhw | xequence, LOl | 12:56 |
knome | that looked like a secure password though | 12:56 |
smartboyhw | knome, +1 | 12:58 |
DarkEra | lol, yeah it did | 12:58 |
ttoine | knome, +1 | 13:01 |
knome | wonder if pwgen could produce characters with accents | 13:01 |
xequence | knome: You mean like, with a French accent (jk)? | 13:06 |
knome | xequence, yes ;) | 13:07 |
smartboyhw | good jk | 13:07 |
xequence | Finnish accent is like a bad speech synthesizer that speaks all the letters as they are | 13:08 |
xequence | so, basically, accentless | 13:08 |
knome | hehe | 13:08 |
xequence | Found a nice example of an indicator app that also works for gnome (gir) | 13:11 |
xequence | going to try to hack something up before feature freeze, for ubuntustudio-controls | 13:12 |
xequence | smartboyhw: would you mind confirming the bug LP: #1211317 | 13:53 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 1211317 in Launchpad itself "lp:ubuntustudio-controls may be corrupt" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1211317 | 13:53 |
* smartboyhw confirms | 13:54 | |
xequence | smartboyhw: Thanks | 13:54 |
cub | Hmm does Ubuntu Studio run on Apple macbooks? | 13:55 |
smartboyhw | cub, no. | 13:55 |
xequence | smartboyhw: Why do you say that? | 13:56 |
smartboyhw | xequence, maybe yes... | 13:56 |
smartboyhw | But we don't provide images do we? | 13:57 |
xequence | cub: It's been a while since I tried it. Have never installed, but live images used to work in the past without problems | 13:57 |
xequence | smartboyhw: We don't provice Mac specific images no. | 13:57 |
smartboyhw | You can install through pat-get | 13:58 |
smartboyhw | *apt-get | 13:58 |
smartboyhw | But no images:P | 13:58 |
cub | I have to try that. I stumbled across a questions about it on askubuntu and got curious. A collegue is running Fedora on his Macbook here. | 13:58 |
xequence | cub: I installed debian on a ibook without problems. But that's powerpc | 13:59 |
cub | sure I installed Debian recently on my ancient iMac | 14:00 |
xequence | Maybe there's something specific about the booting? | 14:00 |
cub | but it would be cool to dual boot US at work and shut down the "Fedora rules" arguments at work. ;) | 14:00 |
xequence | EFI instead of BIOS | 14:01 |
cub | I'll bring a USB stick tomorrow. | 14:01 |
xequence | cub: Try installing onto usb stick first | 14:01 |
xequence | that way you wont mess anything up | 14:01 |
xequence | or a separate usb drive | 14:02 |
cub | yeah, that's how he's running Fedora at the moment. | 14:02 |
cub | but they recommend usb3 | 14:02 |
xequence | but, make sure to install GRUB onto the right harddrive | 14:02 |
xequence | usb3 is much faster of course | 14:02 |
cub | my macbook is too old for that. | 14:02 |
xequence | its just loading time that is slower | 14:03 |
xequence | apps are just as fast otherwise | 14:03 |
xequence | applications are loaded into RAM, and as long as you arent writing to disk at 100% capacity, its just RAM and CPU working while you use the app | 14:04 |
xequence | HCS+ is not writable to my knowledge | 14:05 |
xequence | only readable | 14:05 |
xequence | the MAC file system with journaling enabled | 14:05 |
cub | Mostly web based systems here so | 14:05 |
xequence | There's a bunch of developers her gathered around a round table, standing. Writing git stuff on a big card board | 14:06 |
xequence | They've been at it for about two hours now | 14:07 |
cub | :d | 14:07 |
xequence | I got the indicator working with our logo and everything. Working in Gnome3. Nothing more then a menu of starters for now, but that will have to do, if I dont have time for anything else | 14:08 |
xequence | should work on all DEs | 14:08 |
xequence | Poettering is having a talk about systemd in 20 minutes | 14:09 |
xequence | that should be fun | 14:09 |
cub | define fun? ;) | 14:10 |
cub | Have you got a screenshot of the indicator? | 14:10 |
xequence | cub: It'll be fun if opinions are apart, which they should be | 14:11 |
xequence | well, seem to be anyway | 14:11 |
xequence | !paste | 14:12 |
ubottu | For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. | 14:12 |
xequence | http://imagebin.org/267278 | 14:14 |
cub | ooh nice | 14:14 |
xequence | need to save batteries. bbl | 14:15 |
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xequence | OvenWerks: I was just trying ubuntustudio-installer. I'm on precise, so not the best way to test, but - starting with the desktop file opens a terminal when you run it | 14:31 |
xequence | OvenWerks: Starting from the terminal does not show any options to install | 14:32 |
xequence | OvenWerks: Is this only me? | 14:32 |
xequence | OvenWerks: I'm about to rewrite ubuntustudio-controls from scratch, making it an indicator app, with a starter for ubuntustudio-installer among other things | 14:33 |
xequence | So, that's why I was interested in seeing how to start ubuntustudio-installer | 14:39 |
smartboyhw | xequence, if you want updates on the -rt work, check out https://github.com/smartboyhw/ubuntu-saucy-rt | 15:16 |
xequence | Apparently edubuntu has a lot common with us, on not being desktop orientated | 17:47 |
xequence | It's too late in the game to start changing our desktop. But, for 14.04, we should prepare this stuff | 17:50 |
OvenWerks | zequence: been away for a bit will back track and answer some questions in a bit. | 22:21 |
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