[00:00] <x5ives> I did check the md5sum before hand in ubuntu.
[00:00] <phillw> x5ives: Check MD5SUM for the downloaded ISO - You will need to compare your MD5SUM with Ubuntu Hashes.
[00:00] <phillw> that is okay?
[00:01] <x5ives> Yes, that's what I meant sorry.. I guess the burn did fail.
[00:02] <x5ives> Should I try burning at a slower speed?
[00:02] <phillw> x5ives: the most common reason for that is burning to fast... try 4X (or as low as you can do). burning an ISO is not the same as burning a music CD
[00:05] <x5ives> I just selected the try lubuntu option and it works fine. You sure the disc is corrupted?
[00:09] <phillw> run the self check on the CD... if it hangs... the CD is a coaster.
[00:13] <x5ives> I did, and I told you it does hang, but the try lubuntu option works fine.
[00:17] <phillw> x5ives: okies, let me try me this a different approach... try lubuntu is a menu... the data it needs is buried further within. The areas it is buried in are the areas that the self test checks out.
[00:18] <phillw> x5ives: you asked why the system was hanging? I have told you why... if the self test fails, you cannot install. It's that simple :)
[00:21] <darkxst> x5ives, try burn another CD, you can't install from broken CD!
[00:22] <phillw> x5ives: at the slowest speed you can...
[00:28] <x5ives> That's weird, there are 9 burning speed options, the first one is 'Maximum speed', the other 8 are all '423.4x (CD)'.
[00:29] <x5ives> This is in ubuntu.
[00:30] <x5ives> 12.10
[00:31] <phillw> x5ives: that is a bug we know of.... get a CD-RW, it will force it to burn at a slow speed and will also be reusable about 100 times.
[00:33] <x5ives> It is a CD-RW.
[00:34] <phillw> x5ives: what burn tool are you using?
[00:36] <x5ives> Wait a sec, it says it's a CD-RW in the burn window but not in the flile browser.
[00:36] <x5ives> It says it's just a CD-R in the file browser.
[00:37] <phillw> x5ives: which burn tool are you using? <echo, echo>
[00:38] <x5ives> Not sure what the burn tool is called. I'm fairly certain it's the default ubuntu one, I was just following the guide off help.ubuntu.com. I just write click on the iso and select 'Write to disc...'.
[00:39] <x5ives> This one https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto
[00:39] <phillw> x5ives: there are several tools... which are you using from that list?
[00:40] <x5ives> 'Burning from Ubuntu' section.
[00:40] <x5ives> It doesn't say what the burn tool is called.
[00:41] <phillw> x5ives: it does clearly tell you which to use...
[00:41] <x5ives> ...Where?
[00:42] <phillw> are you on ubuntu / windows / mac?
[00:42] <x5ives> Ubuntu, I told you.
[00:43] <phillw> So, when you start the application, click on the help button and tell me what you are using?
[00:44] <x5ives> I think it is a CD-R though because I put the old disc in and it didn't seem to let me burn over it.
[00:44] <x5ives> Ok.
[00:44] <phillw> Well, you cannot re-burn a CD-R....
[00:44] <x5ives> I know.
[00:45] <x5ives> It doesn't seem to have a help button.
[00:45] <phillw> an Info button?
[00:46] <phillw> I cannot help you until you find out what application you are using.
[00:46] <x5ives> Nope, have a look here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto#Burning_from_Ubuntu the images show the same burn tool I'm using.
[00:48] <phillw> x5ives: read the below....
[00:48] <phillw> The procedure may differ slightly depending on which version of Ubuntu you are using
[00:48] <phillw> So, I still need to know what you are using.
[00:48] <myhrlin> hi, I'm trying to open a program to X via ssh.  It used to be on certain systems I could simply DISPLAY=:0.0; firefox; or something
[00:48] <x5ives> 12.10, as I said.
[00:48] <myhrlin> but now it's not working
[00:48] <myhrlin> would someone know how to accomplish this
[00:48] <x5ives> How do I find out what I'm using?
[00:49] <phillw> myhrlin: I'd ask on #ubuntu-server about that
[00:51] <phillw> x5ives: the GUI you are using is clearly explained in the menu bar. Simply state that.
[00:52] <x5ives> 'Write to Disc'
[00:55] <darkxst> myhrlin, you are using `ssh -X`?
[00:56] <phillw> the window does not. As I'm out of ideas, head over to #ubuntu-beginners as what you are talking about does not have any link to lubuntu. I've let them know you will be arriving.
[00:56] <phillw> x5ives:  ^^
[01:00] <x5ives> Okies.
[04:59] <TannedVampire> hello
[04:59] <TannedVampire> yoohoo
[04:59] <TannedVampire> anybody?
[04:59] <TannedVampire> anyone
[04:59] <TannedVampire> i'm here?
[04:59] <wxl> nope, just us echoes.
[04:59] <TannedVampire> oh
[05:00] <TannedVampire> I was expecting anyone
[05:00] <Guest9065> is it possible to include all the printer drivers in the Lubuntu release just like what Linux Mint does? it makes life easier
[05:00] <wxl> anyone: There was no such nickname
[05:00] <wxl> Guest9065: possible, yes. going to happen, no.
[05:00] <Guest9065> the LXDE version of Mint was just plug and play, it had a lot of good features to increase ease of productivity
[05:01] <Guest9065> wxl, why not?
[05:01] <TannedVampire> I have a peppermint os and #peppermint is too sparse.
[05:01] <Guest9065> don't get peppermint, stick with Lubuntu
[05:01] <wxl> Guest9065: given the primary goal of the distribution is to make a lightweight distribution, it doesn't make a lot of sense.
[05:01] <TannedVampire> Eclipse suddenly dissappeared from peppermint.  Does anyone have this kind of problem?
[05:01] <TannedVampire> oh okay
[05:02] <Guest9065> wxl, having those drivers does not increase memory or CPU resources, etc
[05:02] <wxl> TannedVampire: this is #lubuntu, not #peppermint. lubuntu doesn't come with eclipse. can't help you.
[05:02] <wxl> Guest9065: nope, but it does increase the size of the distribution, or am i missing something?
[05:02] <Guest9065> 1TB HDD have more than enough space, even 40GB
[05:02] <wxl> Guest9065: there's a very simple solution. take lubuntu and make your own distro out of it.
[05:03] <Guest9065> yeah, i hope Mint, releases a new version of LXDE
[05:04] <Guest9065> if people really jsut wanted lightweight, they would use Bodhi Linux or something, or Ubuntu with no WE or DE
[05:04] <Guest9065> the reality is the OS is a tool to help you do things  easier resulting in greater productivity
[05:04] <TannedVampire> wxl: i was aware that this is lubuntu.  I have no choice but to come there for troubleshooting peppermint.  Maybe someone might have similar expereince with  disappearing applications.  If not, I'll try lubuntu
[05:05] <wxl> Guest9065: i'm not about to argue with you about the benefits of this thing or that think, but lubuntu's in the top 20 on distrowatch, so someone is using it.
[05:05] <Guest9065> yeah, i am
[05:05]  * ianorlin is using it
[05:06] <wxl> TannedVampire: i have never had a disappearing application on any version of unix/linux in the 20+ years i've used it, so i'm frankly kind of baffled. maybe you autoremoved it or something. i'm not sure how peppermint works but you can look in /var/log for anything related to apt and review what happened
[05:06] <Guest9065> wxl, do you even use Lubuntu?
[05:07] <wxl> Guest9065: no, i use peppermint and mint
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[05:08] <wxl> Guest9065: read the 2nd paragraph here with emphasis on "low-spec." that suggests that for every user hard drive space isn't necessarily plentiful.
[05:08] <wxl> oops forgot the link https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu
[05:10] <Guest9065> wxl, you are over-exaggerating the space needed to just include printer drivers with lubuntu, LXDE Mint was able to include all printer drivers easily making printers plug and play, as a modern OS should be
[05:11] <wxl> Guest9065: i'm not over-exaggerating. i'd have no problem installing them (if i wanted them all) but it's inconsistent with the goals of the project.
[05:12] <Guest9065> what is the goal exactly
[05:12] <wxl> read the link, mate
[05:12] <Guest9065> just lightweight?
[05:13] <Guest9065> wxl, then why are you not arguing for Lubuntu to use the lightweight web browser Midori instead of FireFox?
[05:14] <wxl> Guest9065: browsers have been a very contentious point of argument the past several years in the lubuntu camp. i actually argued for xombrero.
[05:14] <Unit193> Guest9065: Just because it's lightweight doesn't mean it should be added.  midori still has many render errors as well as crashing issues.
[05:14] <Guest9065> then clearly, the goal is simple not to just be lightweight, but also usability
[05:15] <wxl> usable in light of lightweight. i'd also say necessary might be an important condition. many people don't print.
[05:15] <Guest9065> many people don't use spreadsheets, thus why include gnumeric?
[05:16] <wxl> Guest9065: good point! but there's certainly no reason to include libreoffice, is there?
[05:16] <wxl> you have the capacity to install printer drivers, so what else do you need?
[05:16] <Guest9065> no, i don't
[05:17] <wxl> i installed printer drivers without any problem, so perhaps therein lies your problem
[05:18] <Guest9065> the average person has trouble installing drivers on Windows, and you expect them to easily install them in linux?
[05:18] <wxl> Guest9065: there's plenty of things in lubuntu that aren't easy. try adding fonts sometime.
[05:19] <wxl> Guest9065: so i take it you need help installing the drivers, then?
[05:20] <Guest9065> not, right now because i decided not to install Lubuntu on the computer, especially since support of current releases are only 9 months, which seem like a random number
[05:20] <Guest9065> i'll wait for the LTS release
[05:20] <wxl> we'll be here
[05:21] <Guest9065> do you know why they choose 9 months support only? instead of like a full 1 year? or even just 6 months to be in line with releases?
[05:22] <Guest9065> i don't know many people who would go through the trouble of installing an OS with only 9 months support
[05:22] <Unit193> 9 is to give you time to update to the next one, dropping the same month as the next release is a little crappy.
[05:23] <wxl> Guest9065: the more i listen to your convinctions, the more it sounds like you need to make your own distro!
[05:27] <Guest9065> Unit193, if the new release of Lubuntu is next month, but i need an OS right now thus install the Current version, it will only be supported for 3 months
[05:28] <Guest9065> a release should be at least 1 Full Year
[05:29] <Unit193> I think we're done with this topic, Lubuntu follows in line with the Ubuntu support timeframe and release date, if you don't like it you can take it up with the release team.  It's been hashed out quite a bit, and this is what they came up with.  Also, you are not forced to use Lubuntu, you can use (or make) something more fitting to yourself.
[05:33] <Guest9065> let's hope Lubuntu manages itself better, a lot of distros have come and gone, along with large powerful corporations because of bad management decisions
[10:01] <leszek> hi
[13:39] <Waka_Flocka_Flam> is this the right channel for suggestions of pcmanfm?
[13:42] <PR_> hello is it safe to remove pcmanfm via synaptic from a fresh Lubuntu install (I want to use Nautilus as it handles Win network better)?
[13:42] <PR_> or will it upset the whole system?
[13:43] <Waka_Flocka_Flam> i dont want to uninstall it
[13:43] <Waka_Flocka_Flam> i have suggestions for it
[13:44] <Waka_Flocka_Flam> oh you just joined PR_
[13:44] <Waka_Flocka_Flam> sorry
[13:45] <Waka_Flocka_Flam> i my self would install nautilus and then remove pcmanfm
[13:46] <PR_> I installed Nautilus and it works with my network of win machines (pcmanfm doesn't) so i'll try removing pcmanfm now
[13:47] <PR_> hmmm synaptic says will remove lubuntu-core default-session etc..... sounds scarey
[13:52] <Waka_Flocka_Flam> hold up
[13:52] <Waka_Flocka_Flam> thats not good
[13:52] <Waka_Flocka_Flam> that removes the whole session
[13:53] <PR_> googled it...ubuntu forum says remove from a different DE or other terminal
[13:53] <Waka_Flocka_Flam> maybe oh
[13:53] <Waka_Flocka_Flam> oh thought you only had one de
[13:53] <PR_> worried about breaking it though.... maybe leave it and set nautilsu as default file manager somehow?
[13:53] <PR_> *nautilus even
[13:57] <PR_> Oh, I *do* only have one DE
[13:58] <PR_> trying to set Nautilus as default: 'open with' on a desktop folder icon and choosing Nautilus as default for this type of item doesn't work
[13:58] <Waka_Flocka_Flam> that might break the whole computer
[13:58] <Waka_Flocka_Flam> maybe download the whole gnome desktop?
[13:58] <Waka_Flocka_Flam> gnome-core
[13:59] <PR_> computer is a bit old for that stuff lol. maybe theres a fix for pcmanfm? it's ok in other regards...
[13:59] <Waka_Flocka_Flam> huh
[13:59] <Waka_Flocka_Flam> gnome is slow on my computer too
[14:04] <PR_> thanks for the help...
[17:32] <leszek> hi
[21:26] <lubuntunoob> Hello, everyone.
[21:49] <Noskcaj> hello lubuntunoob