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iBelieveballoons, ping01:46
balloonsiBelieve, pong01:50
iBelieveballoons, I see you my branch for File Manager, thanks. For some reason it hasn't been merged yet. Maybe the prerequisite needs to get approved too?01:52
balloonsindeed01:53
balloonsiBelieve, I haven't looked at it at all01:54
balloonsbut it's a part.. I guess I didn't review it individually, but as one piece01:55
balloonslet's take care of it now01:55
iBelieveballoons, thanks01:57
iBelieveballoons, it still needs to get top-approved. The overall status still says "Needs review"02:01
balloonsi re-ran the build bot02:01
balloonsgotta wait on it :-)02:01
iBelieveballoons, why? you mean for it to mark it as top-approved?02:02
balloonsiBelieve, I just wanted to check the branch again as it's been awhile02:03
iBelieveballoons, oh, I see.02:04
balloonsanyways, should be done in a sec, and tomorrow, we should have smoke testing success :-)02:04
balloonsand of course the way awesome sidebar02:04
balloonsmakes the tablet experience so much nicer02:04
iBelieveballoons, if the bot runs the autopilot tests, they're going to fail, since I fixed them in my newer branch02:05
iBelieveballoons, yeah, looking forward to the desktop/tablet features and Suru theme :)02:05
balloonsall done02:06
iBelieveballoons, cool thanks. though why'd they pass? Don't they run autopilot tests?02:07
balloonsty for noticing iBelieve :-)02:07
balloonsno ap runs on this one02:07
iBelieveballoons, oh, okay.02:07
mihir_Good Morning :)04:52
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dholbachgood morning07:06
dpmmorning all07:07
dpmgood morning dholbach07:07
dholbachhola dpm07:07
dpmhey ;)07:07
mihir_dpm: Good Morning & Gm to all :)07:09
dpmhi mihir_07:09
mihir_Hi dpm :)07:10
mihir_boiko: you there ?? I am done with MR :) https://code.launchpad.net/~mihirsoni-123/ubuntu-calculator-app/1210873/+merge/17968407:22
mihir_dpm: if you have time to review the MR :)07:22
nik90|Officedpm: good morning :)08:42
JamesTaitGood morning all, happy Lefthanders' Day! :-D08:49
WebbyITHi dpm :)09:05
mihir_WebbyIT: hi  good Morning :)09:06
WebbyIThi mihir_ :)09:06
WebbyITHi mhall119 :) Can you help me?09:21
WebbyITmhall119, nope, solved09:24
dpmhi WebbyIT :)09:28
WebbyITdpm: I'm looking at bug 1179422 Riccardo did a good work, there is only to change AC in C (read the comment) :D09:30
ubot2`Launchpad bug 1179422 in Ubuntu Calculator App "[Calculator app] Can't add to existing equation once equals is entered" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/117942209:30
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xqwztsHi all, I've put a post up as an intro/brainstorming for my app: http://www.reddit.com/r/ubuntuappshowdown/comments/1k9p5j/new_app_my_movies/10:39
xqwztsfeedback appreciated10:39
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WebbyITdpm ping10:58
dpm_hi WebbyIT11:02
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WebbyITdpm: in calc app, if you do 1+2*3 the result is 7. This is ok for math, but I think that in a calc we have to follow the order11:04
WebbyITdpm also because we have no brackets11:04
WebbyITdpm IMO 1+2*3  has to be 911:04
mihir_WebbyIT: Nope I think all calc would return 711:05
dpmWebbyIT, I think it's best to use the mathematical precedence rules as it's doing now11:05
mihir_and WebbyIT for brackets i guess we do have it in scientific calc :)11:05
dpmotherwise it would be a bit confusing if it works different than all other calculators11:05
WebbyITmihir_, dpm, I know, but I think is a bit confusing, because every new push is on a new line11:06
mihir_WebbyIT: I guess that is upto our design as we are showing all the conversations if you try Android , they have same line caclulation11:07
WebbyITmihir_, right11:07
mihir_So, our design is like each operands is newline :|11:07
WebbyITmihir_, dpm, but also if you do 1+2, then press =, then do * 3 the result is 711:08
dpmWebbyIT, I can see what you mean, but I still think it'd be better to follow the operator precedence rules11:08
WebbyITdpm, gotcha11:08
WebbyITdpm, but with the equal? 1+2=*3 has to be 7 or 9?11:08
mihir_WebbyIT: I guess that is already reported bug11:08
mihir_we are unable to use result in new calculations..:|11:09
dpmWebbyIT, yes 1+2=*3 should be 9, but we don't have that functionality yet11:09
dpmWebbyIT, do you think you could talk to the other Riccardo to see what the status of that bug is and to see if he's still working on it?11:09
mihir_WebbyIT: That's same bug as you mentioned earlier Riccardo is working on that11:09
mihir_dpm:  I am unable to find him on IRC11:10
mihir_dpm: I alos commented on that bug for the status11:10
WebbyITdpm: I'm working on it11:10
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dpmI have the feeling he might have got busy with other things and he's no longer working on it11:10
WebbyITdpm, Riccardo did a great work, there are only some change to do11:10
dpmyeah, it might be worth contacting him on e-mail11:10
mihir_WebbyIT: You taking over hat bug ??11:11
mihir_that*11:11
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WebbyITmihir_, I'm looking, it's not a difficult bug... dpm, I'm going to write to Riccardo, if he not answer me in 24h I'll assing to me the bug, is it ok?11:13
mihir_WebbyIT: Yeah i know that but I looked into it but thought somebody must be working on it so left the comment over there :)11:17
WebbyITmihir_, Yes, I'm writing a mail to Riccardo to ask him if he is working on it11:17
mihir_WebbyIT:  Okay :)11:18
dpmthanks WebbyIT!11:29
espectalll123Hello chat world!12:02
espectalll123So nice to have IRC inside the SDK :)12:02
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randomcppanyone else has problem closing dialogs?12:11
randomcppif I call PopupUtils.close(dialogID) I get this error: file:///usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/qml/Ubuntu/Components/Popups/popupUtils.js:69: TypeError: Object QQmlComponent(0x2776770) has no method 'hide'12:12
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nik90|Officexqwzts: reading your post now. Looks cool!12:24
xqwztscheers nik90|Office12:25
xqwztsI've already got some basic code up from futzing with QTCreator, will try to do a nice chunk after work and get a post up on that too.12:26
nik90|Officexqwzts: can you update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/AppShowdownList when you do so with your public branch code12:26
randomcppif I call PopupUtils.close(dialogID) I get this error: file:///usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/qml/Ubuntu/Components/Popups/popupUtils.js:69: TypeError: Object QQmlComponent(0x2776770) has no method 'hide' --- Has anyone else this problem?12:27
xqwztsWill do as soon as I set up the repo.12:27
xqwztsrandomcpp: PopupUtils.close() is working fine for me12:29
xqwztscould the problem be with the components inside the popover?12:29
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randomcppI'm using the sample in the docs12:34
xqwztscan you pastebin it?12:36
randomcppa sec12:38
nerochiarogusch|lunch: can you successfully build gallery-app by using debuild ?12:40
nerochiarogusch|lunch: on the desktop12:40
mefriohey guys do you know where I can find the source code for the Gallery app shown in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGX6F5bionU#at=14 ?12:51
popeymefrio: http://code.launchpad.net/gallery-app12:52
mefriopopey, thank you :)12:52
popeynp12:52
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guschnerochiaro: haven't checked for a while12:53
randomcppbut does Dialog have a fixed width?13:02
randomcppor the widgets can stretch how much I want?13:02
nik90|Officerandomcpp: the dialog (with a black background) covers the entire app. The widgets inside a dialog may be defined to have a certain width13:08
guschnerochiaro: strange - dh_install --fail-missing is giving me an error13:08
randomcpphow? because I put a WebView (don't kill me for this) but even settings the same width of the app, it still does have the same width13:11
nik90|Officerandomcpp: I suppose you are referring to http://design.ubuntu.com/apps/building-blocks/dialog13:18
nik90|Officeyou cannot define the width of a dialog13:19
nik90|Officeit should automatically take the widht and height of the app13:19
nerochiarogusch: i'm having problems with shlib deps instead13:19
nerochiarogusch: are you running debuild on saucy ?13:19
guschyes - just calling it in the gallery directory (not your MR)13:20
randomcppnik90|Office, yeah, is a bad use case use the Dialog to show the user the login page?13:22
guschnerochiaro: problem for me is, that it installs to /usr/local/bin intead of installing it in /usr/bin ...13:24
nerochiarogusch: oh, i've had happening too at some point, don't recall what i had to do to fix it13:45
nerochiarohmm13:45
guschnerochiaro: yes - I remember having the problem before, but can't remember the solution as well ...13:49
Cantidequick question: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/36318710/Screenshot%20from%202013-08-13%2015%3A49%3A26.png how do i stop it bleeding into the title?13:53
nerochiarogusch: do i need to do something before i can see stuff in the share menu in gallery ?13:53
randomcppCantide, try (I guess) to remove the anchors { } from Column14:04
Cantideokay :)14:04
randomcppColumns inside a Page should stretch automatically IIRC14:04
Cantidehmm, then it didn't flick at all14:04
Cantideit's as if i just need to set some padding somewhere...14:05
randomcppnik90|Office, I think my app won't be able to upload photos to instagram..there's not api for that14:07
nerochiarogusch: do i need to do something before i can see stuff in the share menu in gallery (setup an account or something) ?14:11
guschnerochiaro: you need at least one account - but I have no idea how to do that14:11
nerochiarokenvandine: do you know ? ^14:11
kenvandinenerochiaro, gusch: yes, you need to have an account setup14:14
nerochiarokenvandine: how do we do that ?14:15
kenvandinein system settings14:15
kenvandinei plan to update that to prompt you to add an account14:15
kenvandinethe settings plugin for accounts just got a new API for clients14:15
kenvandineto ease that14:15
nerochiarokenvandine: how do i access the syste settings ? never did that14:15
kenvandineit's in the app lens14:16
guschkenvandine: when going to the settings, I only can click on "cancel" for twitter and facbook (image from yesterday)14:18
kenvandinegusch, give it a few seconds14:19
kenvandineit should be opening a webview to let you enter your credentials14:20
kenvandinegusch, that will be more obvious after we move to mir, it'll embed the webview14:20
guschkenvandine: true - pretty slow ...14:21
kenvandineyeah... i know :/14:21
Cantidehow is pinch-to-zoom performed on the desktop for testing?14:21
randomcppCantide, try connecting two mice :p14:34
Cantidelol14:35
nik90|Officerandomcpp: that's too bad. But to your other question, a dialog is used only for confirmation. Login should be inside a pagestack.14:36
nik90|OfficeCantide: yes try connecting two mice14:36
nik90|Office:)14:36
Cantideoh, seriously? haha14:36
nik90|OfficeCantide: I think the other way is to have a multitouch touchpad on your laptop14:37
Cantidei'm on a desktop .. okay, i'll try the two mice idea :)14:37
nerochiarozsombi: is there any SDK element I should use as a background for a component ? something that would give me the greyish background that things using MainWindow get14:38
zsombinerochiaro: nope, there's none. Check how the MainWindow gets it. And it would also be the time to report such a need...14:39
nerochiarozsombi: want me to file a bug or something ?14:39
zsombinerochiaro: more like a wish item, but yes please :)14:40
nerochiarozsombi: well yeah, but reported as a bug in launchpad14:40
nerochiaroright ?14:40
zsombiright14:40
randomcppnik90|Office, I'm really sad about that api limitation14:41
randomcppI don't know if it is worth to keep developing this app..:/14:41
nerochiarozsombi: MainView seems to get the color from Theme.palette.normal.background14:44
randomcppnerochiaro, do you want to change the default background color?14:44
zsombinerochiaro: yes, but there's no dedicated component or build element which would go for the background you needed14:44
nerochiarozsombi: just a rectangle with color: Theme.palette.normal.background will do, no ?14:45
nerochiarozsombi: i don't see why anything more complicated is needed14:45
zsombinerochiaro: so there's then an SDK elkement, yes :)14:45
nerochiarorandomcpp: no, just need to paint something with that color14:45
zsombinerochiaro: in case you nee dgradients, then a bit more, but essentially that's what you need14:45
randomcppif the main view has an id14:46
nerochiarozsombi: do you think we need an sdk element that's basically Rectangle { color: Theme.palette.normal.background } ? i don't think so. for gradients maybe, but at the moment I'll just use a rectangle14:46
mhall119zsombi: don't we have UbuntuColors or something for that?14:46
randomcpptry to access it with mainViewID.backgroundColor14:47
zsombinerochiaro: then go for it, no need for a dedicated one14:47
nerochiarozsombi: do i need to import anything to be able to use Theme.palette.normal.background ?14:47
zsombimhall119 for simple colors we do have, yes14:47
mhall119zsombi: is the default MainView grey one of those simple colors?14:47
Cantideoh, Flickable has a property "clip" which does what i wanted '-'14:47
randomcppRectagle can be transparent backgound: "transparent"14:48
randomcppCantide, :D14:48
iBelieveHow can I use QtMobility's organizer API? I'm getting `module "QtMobility.organizer" is not installed`, but i've installed qtdeclarative5-qtorganizer-plugin14:49
Cantideon the topic of theme, how do i set my app to use the ubuntu theme? (with the nice purple / orange background etc. )14:49
zsombinerochiaro: Theme.palette would provide you the current theme's palette as I see...14:49
zsombimhall119: depends on teh theme14:50
iBelieveCantide, those colors aren't the ubuntu theme, they're just one specific theme. The Ubuntu theme (Suru) can be any set of gradient colors you want14:50
iBelieveCantide, but to set it, set the backgroundColor, headerColor, and footerColor properties of MainView14:50
zsombimhall: Ambiance's (default) one is grey14:51
zsombimhall119: ^14:51
CantideiBelieve, what are the defaults for the Suru theme?14:52
iBelieveCantide, they're aren't any. The default is just the light gray. But if you mean the one that is used by clock and calendar, and copied by almost every 3rd party app for some reason, I can look them up for you14:52
CantideiBelieve, i'm sorry, i have too many questions :) If the theme is set, with the user's theme be able to overwrite it? (keeping a unified look across the phone)14:53
Cantidewill the user's *14:53
iBelieveCantide, you can never have too many questions, that's how we learn :) I don't think the user will be able to override it, since it gets hard-coded into the file, but I don't know14:54
Cantideoh... i'd like to leave mine unthemed, but then i'd assume that it would get the theme from the user's settings..14:55
Cantidebut now i think i should copy ubuntu's theme T-T14:55
iBelieveCantide, here are the Suru themes from Clock, Calculator, and File Manager: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5981509/14:58
Cantidethanks :)14:58
iBelieveCantide, I'd recommend coming up with your own if you can, it will make your app stand out14:59
Cantideis the background an image?14:59
iBelieveCantide, what do you mean?14:59
iBelieveCantide, it's just a gradient from headerColor to backgroundColor to footerColor14:59
Cantideoh, i just tried it and i see now - it creates a gradient14:59
Cantideyeah14:59
Cantidethis is cool :) thanks!14:59
iBelieveCantide, you could easily add a background image if you wanted to though14:59
Cantideyeah15:00
Cantidei like these gradients15:00
Cantideand i still live in the 80s where filesize and resources matter to me >_>15:01
iBelieveHow can I use QtMobility's organizer API? I'm getting `module "QtMobility.organizer" is not installed`, but i've installed qtdeclarative5-qtorganizer-plugin15:02
randomcppiBelieve, strange there's not QtMobility in Qt5.0 in the docs :/15:12
iBelieverandomcpp, what do you mean?  I was given a link to http://doc.qt.digia.com/qtmobility-1.2/organizer.html, and I think that QtOrganizer is going to be used in the calendar app15:13
nerochiarooSoMoN: i think the share component itself is ready for a review, the MR is here https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-extras/share-component/+merge/179688 who do you think is best qualified to take a look at it ?15:14
oSoMoNnerochiaro: I can have a look at it, and it would be good if gusch or renato did too, seeing that it will be used in gallery and media player apps15:15
guschnerochiaro:15:17
zsombinik90: nik90|Office: ping15:17
guschnerochiaro oSoMoN ok - I'll look at it too15:17
Cantiderandomcpp, nik90|Office - two mice control just one cursor -.-15:20
guschnerochiaro: it's copied, but should the copyright be updated?15:20
iBelieverandomcpp, in case you're curious, I figured it out. Those docs are old, it should be import QtOrganizer 5.015:21
nerochiarogusch: good point, let me have a look at it15:21
nerochiarogusch: copyright fixed15:21
randomcppCantide, did you really try? lol15:23
Cantidei thought you were serious! -_-15:23
Cantidehaha :)15:23
randomcppahahahaah15:23
Cantideso there's no way to test on the desktop? does an image element zoom by default?15:24
randomcpptry control+mouse scroll15:24
iBelieveCantide, could you add a keyboard input for testing?15:25
randomcppiBelieve, http://qt-project.org/wiki/Qt-Add-ons-Modules15:26
iBelieverandomcpp, thanks. it looks like everything from QtMobility got split into their own modules15:27
CantideiBelieve, I'm not sure what you mean. I thought maybe there would be a modifier key - such as holding control while dragging with the mouse15:27
randomcppiBelieve, https://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qtpim/blobs/master/examples/organizer/qmlorganizerlistview/qmlorganizerlistview.qml15:28
guschnerochiaro: so this is for photos only?15:28
randomcpphere you go I think15:28
iBelieveCantide, what I mean is can you add a key handler to zoom when Ctrl & + are pressed? Would that be good enough for testing?15:30
CantideThat would, but i've no idea how to do it :<15:31
Cantidealso, how would i know that zoom will work on the phone?15:31
Cantidei guess i could just ask someone to test the app '-';;15:31
iBelieveCantide, here is an example: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5981600/15:32
Cantidethanks15:32
iBelieveCantide, yeah, you could use that to test zooming in general, then have somebody with a phone test your touch zoom implementation15:32
Cantideis touch zoom enabled by default on images?15:32
iBelieverandomcpp, thanks for the info15:33
iBelieveCantide, no idea - I don't have a device either15:33
Cantidehmm, that code doesn't seem to do anything when i placed it in the image element :<15:34
Cantideokay, i will forget zoom for now - it's not too important anyway15:34
nerochiarogusch: yeah, that's exactly the same stuff as share-app15:34
nerochiarogusch: oSoMoN: need to briefly go offline, i'll be back later to have a look at your comments15:35
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nerochiarogusch: the improvements you pointed out I think should be filed in a separate bug and taken care of separately. they are good suggestions but i am simply porting the existing code to a component at the moment16:14
guschnerochiaro: ok - what about my comment before?16:15
nerochiarogusch: that seems valid, need to have a look16:16
guschnerochiaro: and copyright of C++ is ok to be 2012?16:18
nerochiarogusch: probably not, i'll change that too16:22
nerochiarogusch: i also forgot to remove imagefilehack.* from the plugin, doing that too16:28
WebbyITdpm: Riccardo answered me that until Saturday he fixs the bug16:28
oSoMoNnerochiaro: I added some comments too, going offline now, are you working tomorrow?16:30
nerochiarooSoMoN: i'm not16:31
nerochiarooSoMoN: i'll address them today16:31
oSoMoNnerochiaro: ok, thanks16:31
nerochiarooSoMoN: and i'll submit the MR for gallery too16:31
dpmWebbyIT, perfect!16:38
WebbyITdpm, have a nice evening, see you tomorrow :D16:39
mihirdpm:  Why did jenkins failedcould you help me to figure out ?16:45
mihirhttps://code.launchpad.net/~mihirsoni-123/ubuntu-calculator-app/121087316:45
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guschEOD16:55
dpmhi mihir, I'm not sure why Jenkins failed, sorry :/ - could you perhaps explain the exact issue to balloons? He should be able to help you out there.17:00
* balloons looks17:01
mihirdpm:  It was success , I just added autopilot test17:02
mihirballoons: could you help me ?17:05
nerochiarorenato: do you remember how to generate the initial .pot file for a i18n of an app17:06
nerochiaro?17:06
balloonsmihir, your autopilot testcase doesn't pass as-is.. did you run it before pushing it?17:06
balloonshttp://91.189.93.70:8080/job/ubuntu-calculator-app-saucy-amd64-ci/69/console17:07
renatonerochiaro, no but the media-player app has the command into the CMakeList.txt17:07
renatolet me check17:07
balloonsmihir, I redid the test run, you can see the failures now17:07
renatonerochiaro, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5981907/17:08
nerochiarorenato: but that doesn't generate the initial .pot file, no ?17:08
renatoit does17:09
nerochiarorenato: i don't understand. how do you run that ? with cmake ?17:09
renatoin the mp project if you type: "make mediaplayer-app.pot"17:10
renatoit will create the pot file17:10
renatobut if you want generate the pot manually you can type the command:17:11
renato${XGETTEXT_EXECUTABLE} --c++ --qt --add-comments=TRANSLATORS --keyword=tr --keyword=tr:1,2 -D ${CMAKE_SOURCE_DIR} -s -p ${CMAKE_CURRENT_SOURCE_DIR} -o mediaplayer-app.pot ${I18N_SRCS}17:11
renatoreplacing the variables with the correct values17:11
iBelievenik90, ping17:11
renatonerochiaro, this is the full cmake file: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5981909/17:11
mihirballoons: this is what I have added in autopilot17:14
mihirhttp://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5981924/17:14
nerochiarorenato: ok, but how do you run cmake in a way that it creates or updates the .pot file ?17:21
renatoin the media player you run: make mediaplayer-app.pot17:22
renatonerochiaro, because of the custom target17:23
renatoadd_custom_command(TARGET ${POT_FILE} ...)17:23
nerochiarorenato: ah, that worked. thanks !17:24
balloonsmihir, in your branch, your python syntax looks off17:25
mihirballoons: Gotcha modified and pushed again17:25
balloonsmihir, try running your testcase locally and get it working the way you want.17:25
balloonskk17:25
mihirwaiting for jenkins too run17:25
balloonsk, it's running again17:26
mihirballoons: okay thank you :)17:34
mihirballoons: how can I see console log ?17:38
randomcppdoes anyone know if jquery works with qtjs?18:01
* nik90 is happy to see the list of app growing at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/AppShowdownList18:48
Cantideyeah, i added my new idea, and it hasn't been shot down yet nor has it been revealed that anyone else is doing the same thing :)18:49
randomcppnik90, I think that forcing the upload is useless http://www.theverge.com/2013/7/30/4570610/instagram-deleting-photos-from-instance-windows-phone-app18:49
randomcppI think I'll need to find another app to create18:49
nik90randomcpp: yes I wouldnt recommend forcing the upload. It is similar to the whatsapp situation.18:51
nik90I guess you need to find another app18:51
randomcppunless I upload photos to other services18:51
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nik90randomcpp: the other attractive services are google+, flickr although not sure if google+ provides a upload api18:52
nik90Cantide: pardon me, what was your idea. I am overwhelmed with seeing too many apps and hence cant remember every one :D18:52
Cantidei had many :) some failed before they took off; the latest one, which seems to be going fine so far, is "Subway Savvy"18:53
Cantidea map viewing program18:53
CantideI'm currently in Inkscape making my first SVG18:53
nik90Cantide: ah yes, I added that app idea as well to the list :). Where do you plan to get data for subway stations around the world or is this localised to some country?18:56
Cantidenik90, for now I'm going to do Busan, South Korea as my test data18:56
Cantideas for getting the subway info - much can be found searching online18:57
Cantidethere are many jpegs and pngs floating around18:57
nik90Cantide: nice18:57
Cantidei'll have to painstakingly create svgs though18:57
balloonsmihir, you get everything merged?18:57
Cantideas for the language info... i haven't quite figured that out. I'm comfortable inputting the Korean, but for other languages I'll need help18:57
mihirballoons:  yeah it ran successfully :)18:57
nik90Cantide: but do they also provide subways leaving at different times? Or is this the subway station map?18:58
Cantideperhaps I can create a system with user-supplied data eventually18:58
Cantidejust a subway station map, regardless of train times18:58
Cantidealthough the trains in Korea run pretty much every few minutes during the day - i'd have to find out about other countries18:59
Cantidebut that's beyond the scope of my app18:59
Cantidenik90, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/36318710/Screenshot%20from%202013-08-13%2021%3A01%3A20.png '-';;; some early work19:02
nik90Cantide: ah ok19:05
nik90Cantide: I understand better now19:05
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* nik90|Dinner is going for dinner19:05
Cantide:)19:06
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xqwzts21:51:06      nik90 | randomcpp: yes I wouldnt recommend forcing the upload. It is similar to the whatsapp situation.19:53
xqwztsnik90|Dinner: what is the whatsapp situation?19:53
xqwztsI was tempted to see how difficult it would be to use yowsup as a backend19:54
xqwztsand I think it should be straightforward?19:54
xqwzts[works fine on meego, and i believe someone got a cli frontend running too]19:54
randomcppyowsup?19:55
nik90|Dinnerxqwzts: there is no official whatsapp api. That said people have reverse engineered it but I wouldnt make an app of it since they can shut it down easily.19:58
Cantideyeah, i wanted to do one for KakaoTalk - so i emailed them asking if they had an API, and their response was way off saying something about Ubuntu not being part of their philosophy or some such nonsense19:59
xqwztsnik90|Dinner, randomcpp: yowsup is a whatsapp backend that's been running for the past year or so20:15
xqwztsit has its flaws but its better than nothing20:15
xqwztsOriginally written for the N9 as Wazapp20:16
CantideKakao is much better than whatsapp though... pity only my Korean friends use it :< and it doesn't seem to have an API, and they're not very helpful in responding to emails.20:16
xqwztsthen the creator split the backend into yowsup to make it easier to port20:16
xqwztsits written in python iirc20:16
xqwztsso should run just fine on Ubuntu Touch20:17
xqwztshmm, does ubuntu touch use telepathy as its messaging backend?20:20
randomcppdoes anyone have a link to the AppShowdownList?20:23
randomcpphttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/AppShowdownList20:26
Cantidethanks :)20:26
randomcppCantide, np :)20:28
om26erboiko_, ping20:39
boiko_om26er: pong20:39
om26erboiko_, I try to create a new sms and the send button does not lighten up ?20:39
boiko_om26er: is that on a device with a simcard?20:40
om26erboiko_, yes, and calling is pretty much working atleast I think it is20:40
boiko_om26er: it only enables the send button if there is a destinatary and a non-empty message20:40
om26erboiko_, yes, I am also typing a message text as well20:41
boiko_om26er: that's weird, it should enable the button then20:41
om26erjust rebooted the phone and still the same...while I can make calls20:42
boiko_om26er: so, how did you get to the conversation screen? did you click on a previous conversation or were you trying to compose a new message?20:42
om26erboiko_, I am composing a new message20:43
om26erboiko_, I just tried and seems I can send the sms if there is an old conversation happened with a contact20:43
boiko_om26er: let me try here20:43
boiko_om26er: confirmed, I will fix this20:44
om26erboiko_, thanks20:44
boiko_om26er: one thing is: we could have catch this regression earlier if we had an autopilot test for this, but we didn't have because in the autopilot env the modem is not connected/registered20:45
boiko_om26er: so maybe this is a testcase to be added to connected tests?20:45
om26erboiko_, yeah, it was detected by the connected-tests ;)20:45
boiko_om26er: great! :)20:46
randomcppnik90|Dinner, I found what to do instead of instatouch20:48
nik90|Dinnerrandomcpp: what's your new idea?20:49
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randomcppan app for recipes (still need a name), I also found a service for searching recipes, so it will have a search feature20:50
nik90randomcpp: nice!20:51
randomcppis it? :)20:51
nik90randomcpp: It depends on what integrations and features you can add to it.20:52
nik90randomcpp: start brainstorming some use case scenarios (stories) and then go with it20:52
nik90perhaps sending a recipe to a friend email , twitter (using friends service)20:52
randomcppsharing is in my todo list20:53
randomcppI'll write a reddit post anytime soon20:53
Cantiderandomcpp, cool :) I have a need for something like that currently :)20:53
randomcppCantide, thanks, I love cooking and that's what I need to20:54
randomcpptoo*20:54
randomcppI think it's more useful than a instahipster app :)20:54
Cantiderandomcpp, will it link to a centralised database, so that all users can see all the recipes?20:55
Cantidewhere will that database be stored? >.<20:55
randomcppthe recipes you write will be stored on u120:55
Cantideso your own recipes then?20:56
nik90randomcpp: is there any online place where we can find more recipes perhaps to extend the collection?20:56
randomcppI think I'll use this http://food2fork.com20:56
randomcpp(it's the most open (in terms of n° of api call) and free API I found)20:57
randomcppstill need to think the process, but after you find a recipe you can save it on your device and keep it for offline use also20:58
randomcppand be able to edit if you want20:58
nik90randomcpp: okay. Slowly (may be after the showdown) you can continue to add more online sources if you find them. Like plugins which users can enable/disable20:58
randomcppor buy a small VPS and create my own search engine to collect recipes from all over the world :D20:59
nik90xqwzts: btw I was the one who commented on your blog.21:00
nik90randomcpp: one step at a time :)21:01
randomcppnik90, Cantide do you have any suggestion for a name?21:01
xqwztsah thanks for that nik9021:01
xqwztsI did read the navigation page you linked to, but had already written the basic tabs so just dumped a pagestack above them for the menu21:02
xqwztschanging the order into the one you suggested should be trivial, will get to it on the next revision.21:02
Cantiderandomcpp, i'd need some food for thought :p21:03
Cantidej/k, I'm not sure, i meant i'd have to think about it :)21:03
xqwztsbut i think other phones tend to have that "tabs with back buttonC" combo21:03
xqwztse.g windows phone21:03
nik90xqwzts: true, but we should try to stick to the ubuntu phone design philosophy for bug free experience when using sdk compoenents21:04
xqwztssure, and for a unified look+feel21:04
nik90xqwzts: Whenever I do something not supported by the sdk, it leads to a usage bug. So I stick to what is recommended by them21:04
xqwztsthanks for pointing it out btw21:05
xqwztsah im pretty sure it's supported by the sdk, working fine so far, seems to be against the usability concept21:05
nik90xqwzts: np :)21:05
nik90xqwzts: looking forward to trying it out21:05
xqwztsin any case, will switch it around21:06
xqwztscheers21:06
xqwztsjust applied for the rottentomatoes api access, so should be playing with either that or u1db next21:06
nik90xqwzts: cool21:09
randomcppCantide, what about 'ricettarium'?21:09
randomcppfake latin names are the best >.<21:09
Cantidehaha21:10
CantideA catchy English name would probably be best21:10
Cantide"Recipe Rebel"21:10
Cantideidk :)21:10
Cantide"Raring Recipes" xD21:10
randomcppSaucy Recipes21:11
randomcpplol21:11
Cantidehahaha21:11
Cantidenice :)21:11
Cantideor just call it something like "Food for thought"21:12
Cantidei like puns :)21:12
boiko_om26er_: it got broken when we migrated to use the approach of replacing the header with a custom one, I am trying to get that fixed21:14
mefriohey guys I just noticed there is a Mac app with the same name of the app I am developing for the showdown contest. Are there any problems with it?21:20
nik90mefrio: app name :) ? Also if it is just the name, it can be changed later on as well I suppose. Best to avoid same names for various reasons.21:21
nik90like searching google for your app but instead finding the mac app21:21
mefrionik90, the problem is that Memories for Mac is like what I am developing for Ubuntu Touch :S anyway I would not change it as I just published something with the name Memories...21:23
randomcppCantide, SaucyBacon !??!21:23
Cantide:D21:23
randomcppnik90, is it ok as an app name 'SaucyBacon' ? or jono will sue me?21:24
nik90randomcpp: hehe. jono will be amused :)21:24
jonorandomcpp, love it!21:25
jono:-)21:25
randomcppgreat, I'll go for it :D I'm already writing the app idea post on reddit21:25
b0bbenhey all21:29
b0bbenwhy isn't there a template for mixing c++/qml in the SDK?21:29
b0bbeni rly need to be able to do setContextProperty on my custom c++ modules, can't seem to find a way to do it with the new only-qml templates :/21:34
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randomcppok I posted my idea on reddit :)21:49
Cantiderandomcpp, I don't see it :< link?21:53
randomcppI don't see it too21:53
randomcpphttp://redd.it/1kb1rb21:53
randomcppI don't know why21:53
Cantidei used the "submit a new text post" on the right-hand side21:56
Cantideand it worked for me >.<21:56
randomcppYeah that's what I did21:56
Cantidehmm, then i have no idea :( I'm actually new to reddit - i joined to take part in this app showdown21:57
Cantideso i don't know much about it :<21:57
xqwztsit might have been flagged by the spam filter? try messaging the subreddit mods?21:57
randomcppbut it works with the link I gave you?21:57
Cantiderandomcpp, but that's a direct link to it i guess... not on the ubuntu app showdown subreddit thingy21:58
xqwztsyes the link works fine22:01
randomcppxqwzts, Cantide I don't know, it's the first I post something on reddit22:07
xqwztsrandomcpp: I suspect if you just created a reddit account and posted it immediatly it could just be the spam filter acting up.22:09
randomcppnope, I had the account for a long time22:09
xqwztsyou can drop the moderators a line http://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%2Fr%2Fubuntuappshowdown22:09
randomcppI will22:10
mefriowould a delte badge like the one showed here fit with the HIGs? http://imagebin.org/26747222:12
Cantiderandomcpp, or maybe try deleting the post and creating another one (copying the contents out first, of course)22:13
xqwztsmefrio: I was planning on having that same functionality [delete badge on an item in a grid]... so I would hope so :)22:13
mefrioxqwzts, ok :)  here it is the badge itself http://imagebin.org/26747122:14
nik90mefrio: One thought, you definitely need a new background gradient. Pretty much all apps now use the same purple to pink gradient. Need some other refresing color :)22:15
mefrionik90, I think I would try to make something with brow...22:16
xqwztsnik90: I thought that was the Ubuntu Touch theme?22:16
nik90xqwzts: It was the color given for the clock app. But other core apps are using different colours.22:17
nik90xqwzts: You get to define it yourself with just 3 lines of code22:17
xqwztsah ok, I thought they were shooting for a unified color scheme, much nicer that we can change22:17
randomcppnik90, do posts on /r/ubuntuappshowdown need to be approved?22:22
nik90randomcpp: nope22:22
randomcpp:/22:22
randomcppi've posted my idea btw http://redd.it/1kb4sk22:23
nik90randomcpp: yeah its wierd your post is not showing up22:23
nik90randomcpp: please check with dpm or mhall119 when you find time. Not sure if any of them are online now22:23
randomcppok tomorrow I'll ask them22:24
mefrionik90, what do you think about that? http://imagebin.org/26747422:26
nik90mefrio: oooh that's interesting (the good way)22:26
mefrio:D22:28
xqwztsnik90: do you have any idea if they ubuntu-sdk can be used from a non-ubuntu distro?22:30
xqwztsive got a crunchbang vm on my work machine, interested in using that when i can22:31
xqwztsI assume it's just a matter of finding the ubuntu qml components?22:31
nik90xqwzts: not to my knowledge since you need to pretty much port all the packages that they modified to that distro. I suppose it can be done but would be difficult22:32
xqwztsah alrighty22:32
nik90xqwzts: that said I am not really the right person to talk about packages. Terrible at them.22:32
xqwztsnot worth it i guess22:32
nik90xqwzts: yes22:32
xqwztsill see if i can sneak a ubuntu vm on there then22:33
Cantiderandomcpp, did you try deleting the post and reposting it?22:34
randomcppCantide, yep22:35
randomcppno success22:35
Cantide:'(22:35
mhall119randomcpp: no appoval necessary22:37
randomcppso what's wrong with my post? :/22:38
nik90mhall119: ah there you are :) Hope you had a nice a conference!22:38
mhall119randomcpp: not sure...maybe it'll just take a minute to show up22:39
mhall119nik90: it was great, the XDA community is fantastic22:39
nik90mhall119: Did they like your XDA app you made?22:39
mhall119nik90: seemed to, I'm hoping that some of them will help expand it22:40
randomcppgood night guys22:58
randomcppthanks for you help :)22:58

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