| nezsez | anyone going to the mug meeting tomorrow? | 00:07 |
|---|---|---|
| rick_h | some people will be there. don't think I can make it out though | 00:09 |
| nezsez | rick_h which distrib do you prefer? | 00:10 |
| snap-l | rick_h: Bummer | 00:11 |
| snap-l | Do you need a note from your dcotor to make it out? | 00:11 |
| snap-l | ;) | 00:12 |
| rick_h | nezsez: I'm a bit of an ubuntu fan though I've also run arch and enjoyed it :) | 00:13 |
| rick_h | snap-l: yea, she's spent all day sick from 'food poisoning' collected at the kid rock concert with her 'girls' last night and we've got a weekend trip to cadillac to get ready for | 00:14 |
| nezsez | yeah I should play with arch, and mint too I suppose | 00:14 |
| rick_h | CHC is about all I can do this week me thinks | 00:14 |
| rick_h | ugh on the whole mint thing | 00:15 |
| snap-l | rick_h: Hope she feels better | 00:15 |
| rick_h | snap-l: yea, she's getting better tonight | 00:15 |
| rick_h | just raced the rain to get the lawn caught up | 00:16 |
| snap-l | Heh | 00:16 |
| rick_h | barely won that one, though the rain is coming down before I could spray off the mower and get it put away :/ | 00:16 |
| nezsez | what city you in rick? | 00:16 |
| rick_h | nezsez: clarkston area, by DTE | 00:17 |
| nezsez | DTE? | 00:18 |
| rick_h | DTE music theater? | 00:18 |
| rick_h | it's the only thing around people recognize usually | 00:18 |
| nezsez | ah, well I just moved here I don't know where anything is really :) | 00:19 |
| snap-l | Used to be called Pine Knob | 00:19 |
| rick_h | ah, gotcha | 00:19 |
| nezsez | ah by waterford | 00:21 |
| rick_h | nezsez: rgr | 00:21 |
| nezsez | how long does it take to drive from there to ann arbor? | 00:21 |
| nezsez | you know in good weather/traffic | 00:21 |
| rick_h | ugh, about 1.2-1.5hrs | 00:22 |
| nezsez | ouch | 00:22 |
| rick_h | yea, not a bad drive, but rough for school nights | 00:23 |
| nezsez | so you didn't like mint? | 00:23 |
| nezsez | you a student? | 00:23 |
| rick_h | sorry, shorthand for 'weeknights' | 00:23 |
| nezsez | ah IC | 00:23 |
| rick_h | I don't like 'distros' that are installing a diff window manager | 00:24 |
| nezsez | all the students i worked with were ditching ubuntu in favour of mint or arch | 00:24 |
| rick_h | arch is put together differently and I respect that | 00:24 |
| nezsez | diff from unity, or gnome-shell/gnome3, kde? | 00:24 |
| rick_h | mint is more "I don't like unity...let's call it a new distro" | 00:24 |
| nezsez | oh LOL yeah i know what you mean | 00:25 |
| rick_h | I run ubuntu, I install and setup AwesomeWM, it's not a new distro | 00:25 |
| rick_h | apt-get install cinnimon does not a distro make imo | 00:25 |
| rick_h | but meh, whatever | 00:25 |
| nezsez | there's a post on slashdot with some guys doing the same thing....one commented "yet another distro based on a distro distro" | 00:25 |
| nezsez | I really don't like unity too much, or gnome3-shell either | 00:26 |
| rick_h | I try not to talk that path too much. ubuntu is based on debian | 00:26 |
| nezsez | yes it is | 00:26 |
| nezsez | i'm trying to decide what to replace fedora 19 with | 00:27 |
| rick_h | but when you use ubuntu you're not hitting debian repos, it's setup differently. The kernel is different, the tools installed are different, many packages are different. | 00:27 |
| nezsez | LOL, yeah I know | 00:27 |
| nezsez | i've run ubuntu since sometime before 9.04, on clusters, with hadoop/mahout, etc | 00:28 |
| nezsez | i've run debian on sparc and instel | 00:28 |
| nezsez | er intel | 00:28 |
| nezsez | gentoo on sparc and intel | 00:28 |
| nezsez | yellowdog on ps3 (clustered to another ps3 actually) | 00:29 |
| nezsez | i'm tempted to go debian, but I thought I'd try something different | 00:30 |
| nezsez | and mint/arch seem to have a bit of traction at the moment | 00:30 |
| rick_h | Blazeix: run's arch in here | 00:31 |
| rick_h | greg-g: is a debian guy, most of the rest are ubuntu folks | 00:31 |
| nezsez | ah IC | 00:31 |
| nezsez | i'm waiting to see what will happen with the ubuntu phone thing too :) | 00:32 |
| nezsez | rick_h: sry if i forgot, but you code right? | 00:36 |
| rick_h | nezsez: yes, I work on https://jujucharms.com/ right now | 00:36 |
| nezsez | ah i've heard of that | 00:37 |
| nezsez | are these charms as in win8 charms? | 00:38 |
| nezsez | oh ensemble | 00:39 |
| rick_h | umm, no | 00:39 |
| nezsez | IC | 00:39 |
| rick_h | juju/ubuntu stuff | 00:39 |
| brousch | Ubuntu is the best. Install you favorite DE or WM | 00:40 |
| nezsez | rick: have you played with Go? | 00:42 |
| nezsez | hola brousch | 00:42 |
| rick_h | nezsez heh, so I've looked but just got through changing teams at work today to avoid Go | 00:42 |
| brousch | Uh oh, what's the new team? | 00:42 |
| nezsez | you changed teams just to avoid Go??? | 00:42 |
| rick_h | nezsez: well, little more complicated, but yea part of it | 00:43 |
| * rick_h likes doing web dev stuff | 00:43 | |
| nezsez | LOL | 00:43 |
| brousch | Py4life! | 00:43 |
| rick_h | python + js + web | 00:43 |
| nezsez | ah, no EAGAIN errno for you then! | 00:43 |
| rick_h | nope | 00:44 |
| rick_h | try: except: all the way | 00:44 |
| nezsez | LOL | 00:44 |
| nezsez | raise :) | 00:44 |
| nezsez | my neighbor got switched to a new team a few days ago, to work on the graphics of a UI | 00:45 |
| nezsez | today he asked them what he could do to help (it's a C++ shop)....they said.. | 00:45 |
| nezsez | "could you go through the code and find all the dead/unused stuff?" LOL | 00:46 |
| nezsez | I mean you know, they got tools for that <sigh> | 00:46 |
| nezsez | so are you using juju in conjunction with ec2 and that sorta thing for scaling as well? | 00:48 |
| rick_h | so we use juju internally for an openstack cloud, but the charms and such are tested against ec2 and hp public cloud | 00:49 |
| nezsez | ah, i have a friend who's working on openstack at hp | 00:50 |
| rick_h | cool, few of our folks went over there in the last year | 00:51 |
| greg-g | nezsez: debian is the one true community ;) | 00:51 |
| rick_h | <3 debian | 00:51 |
| nezsez | yeah he was at Sun (glassfish), then Oracle, now hp | 00:51 |
| rick_h | my first linux love | 00:51 |
| nezsez | for the last few years, Debian has been my goto OS | 00:52 |
| nezsez | they still have a sparc port :) | 00:52 |
| nezsez | in the 90's, early 2000's i disliked Debian because it dragged so far behind | 00:56 |
| nezsez | they were still using gcc 2.7.2 forever | 00:56 |
| nezsez | nowdays, they are doing great | 00:57 |
| nezsez | mandrake/mandriva made a come back not too long ago right? What are they called now? | 00:58 |
| nezsez | hrm, looks like they are mandriva again | 01:00 |
| snap-l | Good morning | 13:07 |
| brousch1 | yes | 13:08 |
| rick_h | morning | 13:08 |
| brousch1 | Someone brought in donuts today, but they taste like they were fried in fish oil | 13:16 |
| snap-l | brousch1: Cod Liver FTW | 13:19 |
| snap-l | Are you sure they're not actually battered shrimp? | 13:19 |
| jrwren | GOOD MORNING | 13:33 |
| snap-l | Happy Birthday jrwren | 13:33 |
| brousch1 | For the birthday boy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3a5pFbpjSY | 13:35 |
| jrwren | thanks snap-l | 13:37 |
| jrwren | thanks brousch1 | 13:37 |
| rick_h | well now I look like a copy cat...but happy birthday jrwren. Here's to cake and party time! | 13:38 |
| brousch1 | My Ting phone shipped yesterday | 13:39 |
| jrwren | thanks rick_h | 13:43 |
| snap-l | brousch1: Awesome! | 13:53 |
| snap-l | http://www.freep.com/article/20130808/FEATURES01/308080174 | 13:56 |
| brousch1 | Nobody is going to rub their boogers on those filling stations | 13:57 |
| snap-l | Then bring your own water. :) | 14:00 |
| snap-l | I think it's a pretty bold move | 14:00 |
| rick_h | exactly, it's a great place because you can bring your own cooler | 14:00 |
| ColonelPanic001 | good. Bottled water is stupid. | 14:25 |
| greg-g | ColonelPanic001++ | 15:11 |
| rick_h | ColonelPanic001: you have city water? | 15:13 |
| ColonelPanic001 | we have runnning water, yes | 15:16 |
| greg-g | indoor plumping? whoa! | 15:18 |
| rick_h | heh, yea running != city | 15:18 |
| rick_h | but I do find more people that are anti bottled water are city vs well water | 15:19 |
| ColonelPanic001 | ah, yeah, city water | 15:19 |
| rick_h | "I have access to lots of great filtered cleaned water so having that in a bottle is stupid" :) | 15:19 |
| greg-g | yeah, carrie's parents who live in Chelsea, MI, who have well water, buy the big water bottles for their drinking water | 15:19 |
| rick_h | greg-g: yep, we do it here as well | 15:20 |
| greg-g | luckily, the majority of the us population lives near city water :) | 15:20 |
| rick_h | rotate two 3gal containers that we fill at the store | 15:20 |
| * greg-g nods | 15:20 | |
| rick_h | greg-g: I guess most of my family runs on well water so it seems more common to me | 15:20 |
| greg-g | so, that's less expensive than buying a really good filter? | 15:20 |
| greg-g | I always wondered that | 15:20 |
| rick_h | greg-g: yea, .33c a gallon | 15:20 |
| * greg-g nods | 15:20 | |
| rick_h | so $1-2 bucks a week? | 15:21 |
| brousch1 | We got a whole-house filtration and softening system. Showering anywhere else makes me feel sticky | 15:21 |
| rick_h | we've got a basic filter and a new softening system, but I'm still not a fan of our water for drinking. | 15:21 |
| rick_h | and to get a big r/o system would be pricey and require more maint. | 15:22 |
| rick_h | we even take a nice 6L bladder out when we go camping as well, works out nicely | 15:22 |
| brousch1 | I love our home water | 15:23 |
| brousch1 | Everyone who visits us loves it too | 15:23 |
| jcastro | jrwren: hey you tested that doc submission thing with juju/go on osx? | 16:15 |
| rick_h | ahhh, must not get another freaking keyboard...butbutbut http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/en-us/p/sculpt-ergonomic-desktop/L5V-00001#details | 16:52 |
| greg-g | rick_h: hey, you like your yubi key thingy? | 17:01 |
| rick_h | greg-g: <3 yubi-key nano best thing ever | 17:02 |
| snap-l | rick_h: Oh hell no | 17:14 |
| rick_h | snap-l: :P | 17:15 |
| snap-l | Also, this afternoon's playlist is all from 1992 | 17:15 |
| snap-l | or at least the 1992 year in the Squeezebox | 17:15 |
| snap-l | Starting with The Art of Rebellion | 17:18 |
| snap-l | brousch1: You gave me an idea to create a Subreddit for MUG | 17:26 |
| brousch1 | make it so | 17:27 |
| snap-l | I have. It's private at the moment | 17:29 |
| snap-l | http://www.reddit.com/r/michiganusergroup/ | 17:34 |
| brousch1 | The name sounds like it's for people who use Michigan | 17:34 |
| brousch1 | Maybe drug users in MI? | 17:35 |
| snap-l | Heh | 17:36 |
| brousch1 | bunch of potheads, most likely | 17:36 |
| brousch1 | Hey, man. Do you use? | 17:36 |
| brousch1 | (Actual quote from my upstairs neighbor in college" | 17:37 |
| greg-g | I use.... deoderant | 17:38 |
| snap-l | is that what the kids are calling it? | 17:49 |
| brousch1 | Probably the next huffing fad | 17:50 |
| snap-l | *sniiiiiiiiiiff* Riiiiight guuuuuaaard | 17:51 |
| snap-l | Gooooood shiiiiiit maaaaaaaaaaaaan. | 17:51 |
| snap-l | Artic Breeze FTW | 17:51 |
| snap-l | I think I know who previously had my phone number | 18:33 |
| rick_h | my bad :P | 18:34 |
| snap-l | Someone just changed their phone number, and I got SMS messages to that effect. | 18:34 |
| rick_h | ugh, this cancer dr story is hitting national attenion now :/ | 19:00 |
| snap-l | ? | 19:00 |
| jjesse | ? | 19:00 |
| rick_h | http://www.freep.com/article/20130813/NEWS03/308130110/Fata-bond-hearing-cancer | 19:01 |
| rick_h | shows up under US news on google news with links to articles in st lous and out in california | 19:01 |
| rick_h | erica's practice worked with this guy, she's got patients of hers as part of this mess | 19:01 |
| rick_h | she's furious and now the story is getting national attention :/ | 19:02 |
| snap-l | Lovely | 19:02 |
| snap-l | Is this guy a flight-risk? | 19:02 |
| rick_h | no idea, I tried to stay out of it tbh | 19:02 |
| rick_h | but just happened to see it on a quick news.google.com hit | 19:02 |
| snap-l | Well, 9.4mil is newsworthy as a bond | 19:03 |
| rick_h | some loved ones of patients that didn't make it are looking for blood. Some calling Erica asking about him. uncomfortable questions | 19:03 |
| snap-l | usually that's reserved for pretty hardened folks | 19:03 |
| brousch1 | Nasty stuff | 19:05 |
| snap-l | OK, riddle me this: Random Years shuffle on the Squeezebox | 19:05 |
| brousch1 | I hope you can stay out of it | 19:05 |
| snap-l | can't pick the year to randomize things out of, it just essentially picks random songs from all years | 19:06 |
| snap-l | which makes no damn sense. | 19:06 |
| rick_h | brousch1: yea, unfortunately her practice worked with him a lot and wanted to bring him on board so there were enough relationships that it's hitting close to home | 19:06 |
| snap-l | ouch | 19:06 |
| brousch1 | Portland is looking better! | 19:08 |
| rick_h | lol | 19:08 |
| snap-l | hush you | 19:08 |
| rick_h | erica's been trying to convince me portalnd would be no fun | 19:08 |
| rick_h | "Look at this weather, it's all drizzly, and grey, and chilly" | 19:08 |
| rick_h | and all I can do is respond "isn't it great!" | 19:08 |
| brousch1 | I love that weather! | 19:09 |
| rick_h | I've been so happy lately with the weather. Been a great few weeks | 19:09 |
| brousch1 | The sun doesn't burn my skin and hurt my eyes | 19:09 |
| brousch1 | Hm, I can put ubuntu touch on my old phone when the new one arrives, but no wifi will be a bit of a bummer https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/i_vzw | 20:02 |
| greg-g | man, flashback, just thought about compiz fusion's crazy ass animations | 20:22 |
| greg-g | boy were we not taken seriously back then ;) | 20:23 |
| snap-l | Yeah, now we're completely taken seriously | 20:23 |
| greg-g | well.... I mean, we're at least not actively laughed at, right? right?!? | 20:26 |
| brousch1 | Heh, I looked all over github for my old project only to realize it's on Sourceforge, and uses Mercurial | 20:27 |
| greg-g | brousch1: you poor soul | 20:29 |
| greg-g | though, I do use bzr for my personal dotfile and scripts repos still | 20:29 |
| snap-l | greg-g: Migrate | 20:29 |
| greg-g | why? | 20:29 |
| snap-l | Friends don't let friends use BZR | 20:30 |
| greg-g | hey, I happen to like bzr | 20:30 |
| greg-g | it's ui/commands just make fucking sense, unlike git, which likes to beat its users every chance it gets | 20:30 |
| greg-g | but, you know, stockholm syndrome and all that | 20:30 |
| snap-l | That's because git has one thing bzr doesn't have | 20:31 |
| snap-l | enlightenment. :) | 20:31 |
| greg-g | LINUS MIDDLE FINGER | 20:31 |
| greg-g | +"'s" | 20:31 |
| snap-l | That middle finger is pointing the way, my good sir | 20:31 |
| snap-l | He's the fucking fuck-you Buddha | 20:31 |
| greg-g | :) | 20:31 |
| rick_h | I wrote two articles on bzr for python magazine (when there was a python magazine) and I say bzr ugh! | 20:33 |
| snap-l | Listen to enlightenment's avatar | 20:33 |
| snap-l | save for that ergo keyboard crap. he's full of shit on that | 20:33 |
| brousch1 | I forgot about Python mag. I subscribed and they never released another issue | 20:33 |
| snap-l | but the rest is pure enlightenment | 20:33 |
| greg-g | rick_h: :P | 20:33 |
| rick_h | it was my one publishing experience so I hold onto it still | 20:33 |
| snap-l | Well, the tiled window manager stuff is a bit naff as well | 20:34 |
| snap-l | but the rest is pure enlightenment | 20:34 |
| rick_h | snap-l: come on, just quit fighting it. You'll end up there soon | 20:34 |
| rick_h | I've got one of the guys on my new team settings up zsh + tmux + vim over the last two days | 20:34 |
| snap-l | two out of three is awesome. :) | 20:34 |
| rick_h | and I've only been on the team 2 days! bwuhahahahaha, strike again | 20:34 |
| brousch1 | So what's the new team? | 20:34 |
| rick_h | Juju UI | 20:34 |
| brousch1 | Isn't that the old team? | 20:35 |
| rick_h | basically the team I was on loan to for hte last 6months | 20:35 |
| brousch1 | oh | 20:35 |
| rick_h | so rather than moving on with the rest of my team, I'm staying put to make pretty things for jcastro | 20:35 |
| rick_h | like pretty autocomplete boxes http://comingsoon.jujucharms.com/ | 20:35 |
| jcastro | MAN | 20:40 |
| jcastro | that looks awesome | 20:40 |
| rick_h | jcastro: yea, came out ok. Will be cool on the next release | 20:41 |
| greg-g | but I can't arrow down and select one of the autocompleted items? | 20:43 |
| rick_h | greg-g: arrow keys are evil! | 20:43 |
| greg-g | mouse is more! | 20:43 |
| rick_h | greg-g: hmm, will have to look at that. | 20:43 |
| greg-g | you failed me, rick_h . | 20:43 |
| rick_h | greg-g: but mouse is in the middle of home row | 20:43 |
| greg-g | giving in to the mouse brigade ;) | 20:43 |
| rick_h | thinkpad! | 20:44 |
| greg-g | not on my kinesis | 20:44 |
| greg-g | (gawd I want that on my kinesis) | 20:44 |
| rick_h | hah, well good point. I would have said it would work, but didn't test it | 20:44 |
| greg-g | you know, I do miss the days of being on planet.ubuntu.com ;) | 21:19 |
| rick_h | greg-g: :) always able to come back you know. <3 | 21:21 |
| greg-g | awww | 21:21 |
| greg-g | I should really get myself on planet.wikipedia.org | 21:21 |
| mathomastech | Interesting and simple looking editor. Anyone use it? | 22:44 |
| mathomastech | http://brackets.io/ | 22:44 |
| rick_h | nope, vim or bust | 22:45 |
| snap-l | Howdy | 22:48 |
| greg-g | what's the default disk encryption system in debian? trucrypt? ecryptfs? | 22:49 |
| greg-g | or ubuntu, for that matter :) | 22:49 |
| snap-l | nfc. I thought it was pgp | 22:49 |
| Blazeix | mathomastech: that's from adobe, right? | 22:49 |
| Blazeix | came out a while ago, adobe tries as hard as possible to downplay their involvement | 22:50 |
| mathomastech | Blazeix: Yea, it is adobe. It's not clear on their website at all, but wikipedia has them listed. It's available for linux now, hence why it fought my attention. | 22:53 |
| Blazeix | yeah, i wouldn't really trust adobe to do anything well | 22:53 |
| snap-l | or longterm | 23:01 |
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