[00:07] anyone going to the mug meeting tomorrow? [00:09] some people will be there. don't think I can make it out though [00:10] rick_h which distrib do you prefer? [00:11] rick_h: Bummer [00:11] Do you need a note from your dcotor to make it out? [00:12] ;) [00:13] nezsez: I'm a bit of an ubuntu fan though I've also run arch and enjoyed it :) [00:14] snap-l: yea, she's spent all day sick from 'food poisoning' collected at the kid rock concert with her 'girls' last night and we've got a weekend trip to cadillac to get ready for [00:14] yeah I should play with arch, and mint too I suppose [00:14] CHC is about all I can do this week me thinks [00:15] ugh on the whole mint thing [00:15] rick_h: Hope she feels better [00:15] snap-l: yea, she's getting better tonight [00:16] just raced the rain to get the lawn caught up [00:16] Heh [00:16] barely won that one, though the rain is coming down before I could spray off the mower and get it put away :/ [00:16] what city you in rick? [00:17] nezsez: clarkston area, by DTE [00:18] DTE? [00:18] DTE music theater? [00:18] it's the only thing around people recognize usually [00:19] ah, well I just moved here I don't know where anything is really :) [00:19] Used to be called Pine Knob [00:19] ah, gotcha [00:21] ah by waterford [00:21] nezsez: rgr [00:21] how long does it take to drive from there to ann arbor? [00:21] you know in good weather/traffic [00:22] ugh, about 1.2-1.5hrs [00:22] ouch [00:23] yea, not a bad drive, but rough for school nights [00:23] so you didn't like mint? [00:23] you a student? [00:23] sorry, shorthand for 'weeknights' [00:23] ah IC [00:24] I don't like 'distros' that are installing a diff window manager [00:24] all the students i worked with were ditching ubuntu in favour of mint or arch [00:24] arch is put together differently and I respect that [00:24] diff from unity, or gnome-shell/gnome3, kde? [00:24] mint is more "I don't like unity...let's call it a new distro" [00:25] oh LOL yeah i know what you mean [00:25] I run ubuntu, I install and setup AwesomeWM, it's not a new distro [00:25] apt-get install cinnimon does not a distro make imo [00:25] but meh, whatever [00:25] there's a post on slashdot with some guys doing the same thing....one commented "yet another distro based on a distro distro" [00:26] I really don't like unity too much, or gnome3-shell either [00:26] I try not to talk that path too much. ubuntu is based on debian [00:26] yes it is [00:27] i'm trying to decide what to replace fedora 19 with [00:27] but when you use ubuntu you're not hitting debian repos, it's setup differently. The kernel is different, the tools installed are different, many packages are different. [00:27] LOL, yeah I know [00:28] i've run ubuntu since sometime before 9.04, on clusters, with hadoop/mahout, etc [00:28] i've run debian on sparc and instel [00:28] er intel [00:28] gentoo on sparc and intel [00:29] yellowdog on ps3 (clustered to another ps3 actually) [00:30] i'm tempted to go debian, but I thought I'd try something different [00:30] and mint/arch seem to have a bit of traction at the moment [00:31] Blazeix: run's arch in here [00:31] greg-g: is a debian guy, most of the rest are ubuntu folks [00:31] ah IC [00:32] i'm waiting to see what will happen with the ubuntu phone thing too :) [00:36] rick_h: sry if i forgot, but you code right? [00:36] nezsez: yes, I work on https://jujucharms.com/ right now [00:37] ah i've heard of that [00:38] are these charms as in win8 charms? [00:39] oh ensemble [00:39] umm, no [00:39] IC [00:39] juju/ubuntu stuff [00:40] Ubuntu is the best. Install you favorite DE or WM [00:42] rick: have you played with Go? [00:42] hola brousch [00:42] nezsez heh, so I've looked but just got through changing teams at work today to avoid Go [00:42] Uh oh, what's the new team? [00:42] you changed teams just to avoid Go??? [00:43] nezsez: well, little more complicated, but yea part of it [00:43] * rick_h likes doing web dev stuff [00:43] LOL [00:43] Py4life! [00:43] python + js + web [00:43] ah, no EAGAIN errno for you then! [00:44] nope [00:44] try: except: all the way [00:44] LOL [00:44] raise :) [00:45] my neighbor got switched to a new team a few days ago, to work on the graphics of a UI [00:45] today he asked them what he could do to help (it's a C++ shop)....they said.. [00:46] "could you go through the code and find all the dead/unused stuff?" LOL [00:46] I mean you know, they got tools for that [00:48] so are you using juju in conjunction with ec2 and that sorta thing for scaling as well? [00:49] so we use juju internally for an openstack cloud, but the charms and such are tested against ec2 and hp public cloud [00:50] ah, i have a friend who's working on openstack at hp [00:51] cool, few of our folks went over there in the last year [00:51] nezsez: debian is the one true community ;) [00:51] <3 debian [00:51] yeah he was at Sun (glassfish), then Oracle, now hp [00:51] my first linux love [00:52] for the last few years, Debian has been my goto OS [00:52] they still have a sparc port :) [00:56] in the 90's, early 2000's i disliked Debian because it dragged so far behind [00:56] they were still using gcc 2.7.2 forever [00:57] nowdays, they are doing great [00:58] mandrake/mandriva made a come back not too long ago right? What are they called now? [01:00] hrm, looks like they are mandriva again [13:07] Good morning [13:08] yes [13:08] morning [13:16] Someone brought in donuts today, but they taste like they were fried in fish oil [13:19] brousch1: Cod Liver FTW [13:19] Are you sure they're not actually battered shrimp? [13:33] GOOD MORNING [13:33] Happy Birthday jrwren [13:35] For the birthday boy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3a5pFbpjSY [13:37] thanks snap-l [13:37] thanks brousch1 [13:38] well now I look like a copy cat...but happy birthday jrwren. Here's to cake and party time! [13:39] My Ting phone shipped yesterday [13:43] thanks rick_h [13:53] brousch1: Awesome! [13:56] http://www.freep.com/article/20130808/FEATURES01/308080174 [13:57] Nobody is going to rub their boogers on those filling stations [14:00] Then bring your own water. :) [14:00] I think it's a pretty bold move [14:00] exactly, it's a great place because you can bring your own cooler [14:25] good. Bottled water is stupid. [15:11] ColonelPanic001++ [15:13] ColonelPanic001: you have city water? [15:16] we have runnning water, yes [15:18] indoor plumping? whoa! [15:18] heh, yea running != city [15:19] but I do find more people that are anti bottled water are city vs well water [15:19] ah, yeah, city water [15:19] "I have access to lots of great filtered cleaned water so having that in a bottle is stupid" :) [15:19] yeah, carrie's parents who live in Chelsea, MI, who have well water, buy the big water bottles for their drinking water [15:20] greg-g: yep, we do it here as well [15:20] luckily, the majority of the us population lives near city water :) [15:20] rotate two 3gal containers that we fill at the store [15:20] * greg-g nods [15:20] greg-g: I guess most of my family runs on well water so it seems more common to me [15:20] so, that's less expensive than buying a really good filter? [15:20] I always wondered that [15:20] greg-g: yea, .33c a gallon [15:20] * greg-g nods [15:21] so $1-2 bucks a week? [15:21] We got a whole-house filtration and softening system. Showering anywhere else makes me feel sticky [15:21] we've got a basic filter and a new softening system, but I'm still not a fan of our water for drinking. [15:22] and to get a big r/o system would be pricey and require more maint. [15:22] we even take a nice 6L bladder out when we go camping as well, works out nicely [15:23] I love our home water [15:23] Everyone who visits us loves it too [16:15] jrwren: hey you tested that doc submission thing with juju/go on osx? [16:52] ahhh, must not get another freaking keyboard...butbutbut http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/en-us/p/sculpt-ergonomic-desktop/L5V-00001#details [17:01] rick_h: hey, you like your yubi key thingy? [17:02] greg-g: <3 yubi-key nano best thing ever [17:14] rick_h: Oh hell no [17:15] snap-l: :P [17:15] Also, this afternoon's playlist is all from 1992 [17:15] or at least the 1992 year in the Squeezebox [17:18] Starting with The Art of Rebellion [17:26] brousch1: You gave me an idea to create a Subreddit for MUG [17:27] make it so [17:29] I have. It's private at the moment [17:34] http://www.reddit.com/r/michiganusergroup/ [17:34] The name sounds like it's for people who use Michigan [17:35] Maybe drug users in MI? [17:36] Heh [17:36] bunch of potheads, most likely [17:36] Hey, man. Do you use? [17:37] (Actual quote from my upstairs neighbor in college" [17:38] I use.... deoderant [17:49] is that what the kids are calling it? [17:50] Probably the next huffing fad [17:51] *sniiiiiiiiiiff* Riiiiight guuuuuaaard [17:51] Gooooood shiiiiiit maaaaaaaaaaaaan. [17:51] Artic Breeze FTW [18:33] I think I know who previously had my phone number [18:34] my bad :P [18:34] Someone just changed their phone number, and I got SMS messages to that effect. [19:00] ugh, this cancer dr story is hitting national attenion now :/ [19:00] ? [19:00] ? [19:01] http://www.freep.com/article/20130813/NEWS03/308130110/Fata-bond-hearing-cancer [19:01] shows up under US news on google news with links to articles in st lous and out in california [19:01] erica's practice worked with this guy, she's got patients of hers as part of this mess [19:02] she's furious and now the story is getting national attention :/ [19:02] Lovely [19:02] Is this guy a flight-risk? [19:02] no idea, I tried to stay out of it tbh [19:02] but just happened to see it on a quick news.google.com hit [19:03] Well, 9.4mil is newsworthy as a bond [19:03] some loved ones of patients that didn't make it are looking for blood. Some calling Erica asking about him. uncomfortable questions [19:03] usually that's reserved for pretty hardened folks [19:05] Nasty stuff [19:05] OK, riddle me this: Random Years shuffle on the Squeezebox [19:05] I hope you can stay out of it [19:06] can't pick the year to randomize things out of, it just essentially picks random songs from all years [19:06] which makes no damn sense. [19:06] brousch1: yea, unfortunately her practice worked with him a lot and wanted to bring him on board so there were enough relationships that it's hitting close to home [19:06] ouch [19:08] Portland is looking better! [19:08] lol [19:08] hush you [19:08] erica's been trying to convince me portalnd would be no fun [19:08] "Look at this weather, it's all drizzly, and grey, and chilly" [19:08] and all I can do is respond "isn't it great!" [19:09] I love that weather! [19:09] I've been so happy lately with the weather. Been a great few weeks [19:09] The sun doesn't burn my skin and hurt my eyes [20:02] Hm, I can put ubuntu touch on my old phone when the new one arrives, but no wifi will be a bit of a bummer https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/i_vzw [20:22] man, flashback, just thought about compiz fusion's crazy ass animations [20:23] boy were we not taken seriously back then ;) [20:23] Yeah, now we're completely taken seriously [20:26] well.... I mean, we're at least not actively laughed at, right? right?!? [20:27] Heh, I looked all over github for my old project only to realize it's on Sourceforge, and uses Mercurial [20:29] brousch1: you poor soul [20:29] though, I do use bzr for my personal dotfile and scripts repos still [20:29] greg-g: Migrate [20:29] why? [20:30] Friends don't let friends use BZR [20:30] hey, I happen to like bzr [20:30] it's ui/commands just make fucking sense, unlike git, which likes to beat its users every chance it gets [20:30] but, you know, stockholm syndrome and all that [20:31] That's because git has one thing bzr doesn't have [20:31] enlightenment. :) [20:31] LINUS MIDDLE FINGER [20:31] +"'s" [20:31] That middle finger is pointing the way, my good sir [20:31] He's the fucking fuck-you Buddha [20:31] :) [20:33] I wrote two articles on bzr for python magazine (when there was a python magazine) and I say bzr ugh! [20:33] Listen to enlightenment's avatar [20:33] save for that ergo keyboard crap. he's full of shit on that [20:33] I forgot about Python mag. I subscribed and they never released another issue [20:33] but the rest is pure enlightenment [20:33] rick_h: :P [20:33] it was my one publishing experience so I hold onto it still [20:34] Well, the tiled window manager stuff is a bit naff as well [20:34] but the rest is pure enlightenment [20:34] snap-l: come on, just quit fighting it. You'll end up there soon [20:34] I've got one of the guys on my new team settings up zsh + tmux + vim over the last two days [20:34] two out of three is awesome. :) [20:34] and I've only been on the team 2 days! bwuhahahahaha, strike again [20:34] So what's the new team? [20:34] Juju UI [20:35] Isn't that the old team? [20:35] basically the team I was on loan to for hte last 6months [20:35] oh [20:35] so rather than moving on with the rest of my team, I'm staying put to make pretty things for jcastro [20:35] like pretty autocomplete boxes http://comingsoon.jujucharms.com/ [20:40] MAN [20:40] that looks awesome [20:41] jcastro: yea, came out ok. Will be cool on the next release [20:43] but I can't arrow down and select one of the autocompleted items? [20:43] greg-g: arrow keys are evil! [20:43] mouse is more! [20:43] greg-g: hmm, will have to look at that. [20:43] you failed me, rick_h . [20:43] greg-g: but mouse is in the middle of home row [20:43] giving in to the mouse brigade ;) [20:44] thinkpad! [20:44] not on my kinesis [20:44] (gawd I want that on my kinesis) [20:44] hah, well good point. I would have said it would work, but didn't test it [21:19] you know, I do miss the days of being on planet.ubuntu.com ;) [21:21] greg-g: :) always able to come back you know. <3 [21:21] awww [21:21] I should really get myself on planet.wikipedia.org [22:44] Interesting and simple looking editor. Anyone use it? [22:44] http://brackets.io/ [22:45] nope, vim or bust [22:48] Howdy [22:49] what's the default disk encryption system in debian? trucrypt? ecryptfs? [22:49] or ubuntu, for that matter :) [22:49] nfc. I thought it was pgp [22:49] mathomastech: that's from adobe, right? [22:50] came out a while ago, adobe tries as hard as possible to downplay their involvement [22:53] Blazeix: Yea, it is adobe. It's not clear on their website at all, but wikipedia has them listed. It's available for linux now, hence why it fought my attention. [22:53] yeah, i wouldn't really trust adobe to do anything well [23:01] or longterm