[00:07] <nezsez> anyone going to the mug meeting tomorrow?
[00:09] <rick_h> some people will be there. don't think I can make it out though
[00:10] <nezsez> rick_h which distrib do you prefer?
[00:11] <snap-l> rick_h: Bummer
[00:11] <snap-l> Do you need a note from your dcotor to make it out?
[00:12] <snap-l> ;)
[00:13] <rick_h> nezsez: I'm a bit of an ubuntu fan though I've also run arch and enjoyed it :)
[00:14] <rick_h> snap-l: yea, she's spent all day sick from 'food poisoning' collected at the kid rock concert with her 'girls' last night and we've got a weekend trip to cadillac to get ready for
[00:14] <nezsez> yeah I should play with arch, and mint too I suppose
[00:14] <rick_h> CHC is about all I can do this week me thinks
[00:15] <rick_h> ugh on the whole mint thing
[00:15] <snap-l> rick_h: Hope she feels better
[00:15] <rick_h> snap-l: yea, she's getting better tonight
[00:16] <rick_h> just raced the rain to get the lawn caught up
[00:16] <snap-l> Heh
[00:16] <rick_h> barely won that one, though the rain is coming down before I could spray off the mower and get it put away :/
[00:16] <nezsez> what city you in rick?
[00:17] <rick_h> nezsez: clarkston area, by DTE
[00:18] <nezsez> DTE?
[00:18] <rick_h> DTE music theater?
[00:18] <rick_h> it's the only thing around people recognize usually
[00:19] <nezsez> ah, well I just moved here I don't know where anything is really :)
[00:19] <snap-l> Used to be called Pine Knob
[00:19] <rick_h> ah, gotcha
[00:21] <nezsez> ah by waterford
[00:21] <rick_h> nezsez: rgr
[00:21] <nezsez> how long does it take to drive from there to ann arbor?
[00:21] <nezsez> you know in good weather/traffic
[00:22] <rick_h> ugh, about 1.2-1.5hrs
[00:22] <nezsez> ouch
[00:23] <rick_h> yea, not a bad drive, but rough for school nights
[00:23] <nezsez> so you didn't like mint?
[00:23] <nezsez> you a student?
[00:23] <rick_h> sorry, shorthand for 'weeknights'
[00:23] <nezsez> ah IC
[00:24] <rick_h> I don't like 'distros' that are installing a diff window manager
[00:24] <nezsez> all the students i worked with were ditching ubuntu in favour of mint or arch
[00:24] <rick_h> arch is put together differently and I respect that
[00:24] <nezsez> diff from unity, or gnome-shell/gnome3, kde?
[00:24] <rick_h> mint is more "I don't like unity...let's call it a new distro"
[00:25] <nezsez> oh LOL yeah i know what you mean
[00:25] <rick_h> I run ubuntu, I install and setup AwesomeWM, it's not a new distro
[00:25] <rick_h> apt-get install cinnimon does not a distro make imo
[00:25] <rick_h> but meh, whatever
[00:25] <nezsez> there's a post on slashdot with some guys doing the same thing....one commented "yet another distro based on a distro distro"
[00:26] <nezsez> I really don't like unity too much, or gnome3-shell either
[00:26] <rick_h> I try not to talk that path too much. ubuntu is based on debian
[00:26] <nezsez> yes it is
[00:27] <nezsez> i'm trying to decide what to replace fedora 19 with
[00:27] <rick_h> but when you use ubuntu you're not hitting debian repos, it's setup differently. The kernel is different, the tools installed are different, many packages are different.
[00:27] <nezsez> LOL, yeah I know
[00:28] <nezsez> i've run ubuntu since sometime before 9.04, on clusters, with hadoop/mahout, etc
[00:28] <nezsez> i've run debian on sparc and instel
[00:28] <nezsez> er intel
[00:28] <nezsez> gentoo on sparc and intel
[00:29] <nezsez> yellowdog on ps3 (clustered to another ps3 actually)
[00:30] <nezsez> i'm tempted to go debian, but I thought I'd try something different
[00:30] <nezsez> and mint/arch seem to have a bit of traction at the moment
[00:31] <rick_h> Blazeix: run's arch in here
[00:31] <rick_h> greg-g: is a debian guy, most of the rest are ubuntu folks
[00:31] <nezsez> ah IC
[00:32] <nezsez> i'm waiting to see what will happen with the ubuntu phone thing too :)
[00:36] <nezsez> rick_h: sry if i forgot, but you code right?
[00:36] <rick_h> nezsez: yes, I work on https://jujucharms.com/ right now
[00:37] <nezsez> ah i've heard of that
[00:38] <nezsez> are these charms as in win8 charms?
[00:39] <nezsez> oh ensemble
[00:39] <rick_h> umm, no
[00:39] <nezsez> IC
[00:39] <rick_h> juju/ubuntu stuff
[00:40] <brousch> Ubuntu is the best. Install you favorite DE or WM
[00:42] <nezsez> rick: have you played with Go?
[00:42] <nezsez> hola brousch
[00:42] <rick_h>  nezsez heh, so I've looked but just got through changing teams at work today to avoid Go
[00:42] <brousch> Uh oh, what's the new team?
[00:42] <nezsez> you changed teams just to avoid Go???
[00:43] <rick_h> nezsez: well, little more complicated, but yea part of it
[00:43]  * rick_h likes doing web dev stuff
[00:43] <nezsez> LOL
[00:43] <brousch> Py4life!
[00:43] <rick_h> python + js + web
[00:43] <nezsez> ah, no EAGAIN errno for you then!
[00:44] <rick_h> nope
[00:44] <rick_h> try: except: all the way
[00:44] <nezsez> LOL
[00:44] <nezsez> raise :)
[00:45] <nezsez> my neighbor got switched to a new team a few days ago, to work on the graphics of a UI
[00:45] <nezsez> today he asked them what he could do to help (it's a C++ shop)....they said..
[00:46] <nezsez> "could you go through the code and find all the dead/unused stuff?"  LOL
[00:46] <nezsez> I mean you know, they got tools for that <sigh>
[00:48] <nezsez> so are you using juju in conjunction with ec2 and that sorta thing for scaling as well?
[00:49] <rick_h> so we use juju internally for an openstack cloud, but the charms and such are tested against ec2 and hp public cloud
[00:50] <nezsez> ah, i have a friend who's working on openstack at hp
[00:51] <rick_h> cool, few of our folks went over there in the last year
[00:51] <greg-g> nezsez: debian is the one true community ;)
[00:51] <rick_h> <3 debian
[00:51] <nezsez> yeah he was at Sun (glassfish), then Oracle, now hp
[00:51] <rick_h> my first linux love
[00:52] <nezsez> for the last few years, Debian has been my goto OS
[00:52] <nezsez> they still have a sparc port :)
[00:56] <nezsez> in the 90's, early 2000's i disliked Debian because it dragged so far behind
[00:56] <nezsez> they were still using gcc 2.7.2 forever
[00:57] <nezsez> nowdays, they are doing great
[00:58] <nezsez> mandrake/mandriva made a come back not too long ago right?  What are they called now?
[01:00] <nezsez> hrm, looks like they are mandriva again
[13:07] <snap-l> Good morning
[13:08] <brousch1> yes
[13:08] <rick_h> morning
[13:16] <brousch1> Someone brought in donuts today, but they taste like they were fried in fish oil
[13:19] <snap-l> brousch1: Cod Liver FTW
[13:19] <snap-l> Are you sure they're not actually battered shrimp?
[13:33] <jrwren> GOOD MORNING
[13:33] <snap-l> Happy Birthday jrwren
[13:35] <brousch1> For the birthday boy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3a5pFbpjSY
[13:37] <jrwren> thanks snap-l
[13:37] <jrwren> thanks brousch1
[13:38] <rick_h> well now I look like a copy cat...but happy birthday jrwren. Here's to cake and party time!
[13:39] <brousch1> My Ting phone shipped yesterday
[13:43] <jrwren> thanks rick_h
[13:53] <snap-l> brousch1: Awesome!
[13:56] <snap-l> http://www.freep.com/article/20130808/FEATURES01/308080174
[13:57] <brousch1> Nobody is going to rub their boogers on those filling stations
[14:00] <snap-l> Then bring your own water. :)
[14:00] <snap-l> I think it's a pretty bold move
[14:00] <rick_h> exactly, it's a great place because you can bring your own cooler
[14:25] <ColonelPanic001> good. Bottled water is stupid.
[15:11] <greg-g> ColonelPanic001++
[15:13] <rick_h> ColonelPanic001: you have city water?
[15:16] <ColonelPanic001> we have runnning water, yes
[15:18] <greg-g> indoor plumping? whoa!
[15:18] <rick_h> heh, yea running != city
[15:19] <rick_h> but I do find more people that are anti bottled water are city vs well water
[15:19] <ColonelPanic001> ah, yeah, city water
[15:19] <rick_h> "I have access to lots of great filtered cleaned water so having that in a bottle is stupid" :)
[15:19] <greg-g> yeah, carrie's parents who live in Chelsea, MI, who have well water, buy the big water bottles for their drinking water
[15:20] <rick_h> greg-g: yep, we do it here as well
[15:20] <greg-g> luckily, the majority of the us population lives near city water :)
[15:20] <rick_h> rotate two 3gal containers that we fill at the store
[15:20]  * greg-g nods
[15:20] <rick_h> greg-g: I guess most of my family runs on well water so it seems more common to me
[15:20] <greg-g> so, that's less expensive than buying a really good filter?
[15:20] <greg-g> I always wondered that
[15:20] <rick_h> greg-g: yea, .33c a gallon
[15:20]  * greg-g nods
[15:21] <rick_h> so $1-2 bucks a week?
[15:21] <brousch1> We got a whole-house filtration and softening system. Showering anywhere else makes me feel sticky
[15:21] <rick_h> we've got a basic filter and a new softening system, but I'm still not a fan of our water for drinking.
[15:22] <rick_h> and to get a big r/o system would be pricey and require more maint.
[15:22] <rick_h> we even take a nice 6L bladder out when we go camping as well, works out nicely
[15:23] <brousch1> I love our home water
[15:23] <brousch1> Everyone who visits us loves it too
[16:15] <jcastro> jrwren: hey you tested that doc submission thing with juju/go on osx?
[16:52] <rick_h> ahhh, must not get another freaking keyboard...butbutbut http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/en-us/p/sculpt-ergonomic-desktop/L5V-00001#details
[17:01] <greg-g> rick_h: hey, you like your yubi key thingy?
[17:02] <rick_h> greg-g: <3 yubi-key nano best thing ever
[17:14] <snap-l> rick_h: Oh hell no
[17:15] <rick_h> snap-l: :P
[17:15] <snap-l> Also, this afternoon's playlist is all from 1992
[17:15] <snap-l> or at least the 1992 year in the Squeezebox
[17:18] <snap-l> Starting with The Art of Rebellion
[17:26] <snap-l> brousch1: You gave me an idea to create a Subreddit for MUG
[17:27] <brousch1> make it so
[17:29] <snap-l> I have. It's private at the moment
[17:34] <snap-l> http://www.reddit.com/r/michiganusergroup/
[17:34] <brousch1> The name sounds like it's for people who use Michigan
[17:35] <brousch1> Maybe drug users in MI?
[17:36] <snap-l> Heh
[17:36] <brousch1> bunch of potheads, most likely
[17:36] <brousch1> Hey, man. Do you use?
[17:37] <brousch1> (Actual quote from my upstairs neighbor in college"
[17:38] <greg-g> I use.... deoderant
[17:49] <snap-l>  is that what the kids are calling it?
[17:50] <brousch1> Probably the next huffing fad
[17:51] <snap-l> *sniiiiiiiiiiff* Riiiiight guuuuuaaard
[17:51] <snap-l> Gooooood shiiiiiit maaaaaaaaaaaaan.
[17:51] <snap-l> Artic Breeze FTW
[18:33] <snap-l> I think I know who previously had my phone number
[18:34] <rick_h> my bad :P
[18:34] <snap-l> Someone just changed their phone number, and I got SMS messages to that effect.
[19:00] <rick_h> ugh, this cancer dr story is hitting national attenion now :/
[19:00] <snap-l> ?
[19:00] <jjesse> ?
[19:01] <rick_h> http://www.freep.com/article/20130813/NEWS03/308130110/Fata-bond-hearing-cancer
[19:01] <rick_h> shows up under US news on google news with links to articles in st lous and out in california
[19:01] <rick_h> erica's practice worked with this guy, she's got patients of hers as part of this mess
[19:02] <rick_h> she's furious and now the story is getting national attention :/
[19:02] <snap-l> Lovely
[19:02] <snap-l> Is this guy a flight-risk?
[19:02] <rick_h> no idea, I tried to stay out of it tbh
[19:02] <rick_h> but just happened to see it on a quick news.google.com hit
[19:03] <snap-l> Well, 9.4mil is newsworthy as a bond
[19:03] <rick_h> some loved ones of patients that didn't make it are looking for blood. Some calling Erica asking about him. uncomfortable questions
[19:03] <snap-l> usually that's reserved for pretty hardened folks
[19:05] <brousch1> Nasty stuff
[19:05] <snap-l> OK, riddle me this: Random Years shuffle on the Squeezebox
[19:05] <brousch1> I hope you can stay out of it
[19:06] <snap-l> can't pick the year to randomize things out of, it just essentially picks random songs from all years
[19:06] <snap-l> which makes no damn sense.
[19:06] <rick_h> brousch1: yea, unfortunately her practice worked with him a lot and wanted to bring him on board so there were enough relationships that it's hitting close to home
[19:06] <snap-l> ouch
[19:08] <brousch1> Portland is looking better!
[19:08] <rick_h> lol
[19:08] <snap-l> hush you
[19:08] <rick_h> erica's been trying to convince me portalnd would be no fun
[19:08] <rick_h> "Look at this weather, it's all drizzly, and grey, and chilly"
[19:08] <rick_h> and all I can do is respond "isn't it great!"
[19:09] <brousch1> I love that weather!
[19:09] <rick_h> I've been so happy lately with the weather. Been a great few weeks
[19:09] <brousch1> The sun doesn't burn my skin and hurt my eyes
[20:02] <brousch1> Hm, I can put ubuntu touch on my old phone when the new one arrives, but no wifi will be a bit of a bummer https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/i_vzw
[20:22] <greg-g> man, flashback, just thought about compiz fusion's crazy ass animations
[20:23] <greg-g> boy were we not taken seriously back then ;)
[20:23] <snap-l> Yeah, now we're completely taken seriously
[20:26] <greg-g> well.... I mean, we're at least not actively laughed at, right? right?!?
[20:27] <brousch1> Heh, I looked all over github for my old project only to realize it's on Sourceforge, and uses Mercurial
[20:29] <greg-g> brousch1: you poor soul
[20:29] <greg-g> though, I do use bzr for my personal dotfile and scripts repos still
[20:29] <snap-l> greg-g: Migrate
[20:29] <greg-g> why?
[20:30] <snap-l> Friends don't let friends use BZR
[20:30] <greg-g> hey, I happen to like bzr
[20:30] <greg-g> it's ui/commands just make fucking sense, unlike git, which likes to beat its users every chance it gets
[20:30] <greg-g> but, you know, stockholm syndrome and all that
[20:31] <snap-l> That's because git has one thing bzr doesn't have
[20:31] <snap-l> enlightenment. :)
[20:31] <greg-g> LINUS MIDDLE FINGER
[20:31] <greg-g> +"'s"
[20:31] <snap-l> That middle finger is pointing the way, my good sir
[20:31] <snap-l> He's the fucking fuck-you Buddha
[20:31] <greg-g> :)
[20:33] <rick_h> I wrote two articles on bzr for python magazine (when there was a python magazine) and I say bzr ugh!
[20:33] <snap-l> Listen to enlightenment's avatar
[20:33] <snap-l> save for that ergo keyboard crap. he's full of shit on that
[20:33] <brousch1> I forgot about Python mag. I subscribed and they never released another issue
[20:33] <snap-l> but the rest is pure enlightenment
[20:33] <greg-g> rick_h: :P
[20:33] <rick_h> it was my one publishing experience so I hold onto it still
[20:34] <snap-l> Well, the tiled window manager stuff is a bit naff as well
[20:34] <snap-l> but the rest is pure enlightenment
[20:34] <rick_h> snap-l: come on, just quit fighting it. You'll end up there soon
[20:34] <rick_h> I've got one of the guys on my new team settings up zsh + tmux + vim over the last two days
[20:34] <snap-l> two out of three is awesome. :)
[20:34] <rick_h> and I've only been on the team 2 days! bwuhahahahaha, strike again
[20:34] <brousch1> So what's the new team?
[20:34] <rick_h> Juju UI
[20:35] <brousch1> Isn't that the old team?
[20:35] <rick_h> basically the team I was on loan to for hte last 6months
[20:35] <brousch1> oh
[20:35] <rick_h> so rather than moving on with the rest of my team, I'm staying put to make pretty things for jcastro
[20:35] <rick_h> like pretty autocomplete boxes http://comingsoon.jujucharms.com/
[20:40] <jcastro> MAN
[20:40] <jcastro> that looks awesome
[20:41] <rick_h> jcastro: yea, came out ok. Will be cool on the next release
[20:43] <greg-g> but I can't arrow down and select one of the autocompleted items?
[20:43] <rick_h> greg-g: arrow keys are evil!
[20:43] <greg-g> mouse is more!
[20:43] <rick_h> greg-g: hmm, will have to look at that.
[20:43] <greg-g> you failed me, rick_h .
[20:43] <rick_h> greg-g: but mouse is in the middle of home row
[20:43] <greg-g> giving in to the mouse brigade ;)
[20:44] <rick_h> thinkpad!
[20:44] <greg-g> not on my kinesis
[20:44] <greg-g> (gawd I want that on my kinesis)
[20:44] <rick_h> hah, well good point. I would have said it would work, but didn't test it
[21:19] <greg-g> you know, I do miss the days of being on planet.ubuntu.com ;)
[21:21] <rick_h> greg-g: :) always able to come back you know. <3
[21:21] <greg-g> awww
[21:21] <greg-g> I should really get myself on planet.wikipedia.org
[22:44] <mathomastech> Interesting and simple looking editor. Anyone use it?
[22:44] <mathomastech> http://brackets.io/
[22:45] <rick_h> nope, vim or bust
[22:48] <snap-l> Howdy
[22:49] <greg-g> what's the default disk encryption system in debian? trucrypt? ecryptfs?
[22:49] <greg-g> or ubuntu, for that matter :)
[22:49] <snap-l> nfc. I thought it was pgp
[22:49] <Blazeix> mathomastech: that's from adobe, right?
[22:50] <Blazeix> came out a while ago, adobe tries as hard as possible to downplay their involvement
[22:53] <mathomastech> Blazeix: Yea, it is adobe. It's not clear on their website at all, but wikipedia has them listed. It's available for linux now, hence why it fought my attention.
[22:53] <Blazeix> yeah, i wouldn't really trust adobe to do anything well
[23:01] <snap-l> or longterm