[01:02] Okay, LP 1211575 looks notable yet odd [01:02] Launchpad bug 1211575 in orage (Ubuntu) "xfce4-orageclock-plugin crashed with SIGSEGV in main()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1211575 === forestpiskie is now known as Guest28422 [06:18] Are there any xubuntu packages that are still on the "merge" list? [06:19] And does anyone have a moment to try and install gthumb from source? === Guest28422 is now known as forestpiskie [10:33] http://paste.ubuntu.com/5980652/ === lderan_ is now known as lderan [10:41] a friend suggested that we could have some kind of mechanism on the ISO that sends some stats [10:41] i don't want an automatic mechanism, but we could add a slide on the installer slideshow saying "if you want to register this installation of xubuntu, click here" [10:41] so we can get the machine specifications? aye thats a good idea [10:42] well no, [10:42] installation count [10:42] the URL could register one user automatically [10:42] but also have buttons to tell "this machine actually has more than one user" [10:42] so a "3" button, which would update the user count by two, but keep the machine count intact [10:42] and sure, we could also gather some hardware information [10:43] but everything should be an informed decision [10:43] agreed [10:43] i think "register here" is good enough to tell the user "we're going to increase a counter by on" [10:43] *one [10:44] but i'm not sure how canonical would react to this idea [10:44] they haven't been willing to share some data anyway... [10:44] another idea is to create a package [10:44] that sends us information [10:44] about hardware, and real user count [10:44] but again, i've no idea how canonical would react to that either [10:45] that would be good information to have [10:45] i would imagine they aren't *too* keen on that [10:46] but that'd be continuous submitting, so the server side should be a bit more complex [10:48] pleia2, ping. you shall read the conversation above and comment. [12:09] knome: not sure if you caught my conversation with balloons yesterday, to cut a long story short a bunch of our xfce settings testcases have been marked as archived - he's no idea what's going on and has passed it on to stgraber [12:10] i marked some archived (or disabled or whatever that is) - but that's to make them not show up in the wrong testsuite [12:12] yea - saw those - I've done similar -this is different [12:12] oki [12:12] :) [12:12] http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/300/builds/50384/testcases/1586/results [12:12] for instance [12:12] hmpf, right [12:12] yea - that was my reaction to when I saw it [12:13] can't find anything to show why - nor even how to do it if we wanted to [12:13] * knome looks at it [12:14] balloons just thought it was 'wild' lol [12:14] hmm hmm [12:14] http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/300/builds/50384/testcases/1586/results :P [12:15] how did you do that? [12:15] i enabled it in the "core" testsuite [12:15] (where we don't want it enabled) [12:15] but that fixed it [12:15] oh [12:15] mmm [12:15] did you file a bug about it, or just poked stgraber? [12:16] I poked balloons who poked stgraber [12:16] ok [12:17] so I guess the question is how to delete things from testsuites [12:18] that needs admin powers [12:18] but there is a bug too, this shouldn't happen [12:18] yea [12:19] it's showing disabled/archived again now [12:19] yup, as i disabled it in the other testsuite [12:19] i tested something [12:19] ok [12:19] (that didn't work) [12:20] so if I see balloons before you - there is a bug, but if necessary to get around this we want stuff actually deleted from the xfce core testsuite so the ones we want are not archived [12:20] sure [12:20] i'm filing a bug *right now* [12:21] k [12:21] ok [12:21] I filed one on packages at the weekend [12:22] about the same thing? [12:22] no way to report a bug against a testcase in packages - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-qa-website/+bug/1210728 [12:22] Launchpad bug 1210728 in Ubuntu QA Website "Report a testcase bug missing from package tracker" [Undecided,New] [12:22] aha [12:22] bug 1211746 [12:22] bug 1211746 in Ubuntu QA Website "Disabling a testcase in one testsuite marks it as archived on other testsuites as well" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1211746 [12:22] I confirmed it lol [12:23] me too... [12:23] :P [12:23] I me too'd it as well [12:23] good good [12:23] hope that gets fixed soon, or i get admin powers on the trackers :P [12:23] :) [12:23] I'd know which I'd rather ... [12:30] knome: stgraber hasn't taken the bait ... [12:30] hi skellat [12:31] elfy, i'm thinking balloons is trying to lean towards that at least ;) [12:31] err, s/trying/starting/ [12:31] good [12:31] \o/ [16:15] knome: instead of doing that, I'd prefer telling people to enable popcon and then just have us mine that data (which already exists!) [16:15] elizabeth@r2d2$:~$ grep xubuntu-desktop all-popcon-results.txt [16:15] Package: xubuntu-desktop 0 0 0 116996 [16:16] http://popcon.ubuntu.com/ [17:03] pleia2: desktop may not be the best target, it's removed once you remove one of the default applications. I'd think desktop-settins would be a better one, but could be just me http://paste.openstack.org/show/WJpBl90y905WHZ2INvDV [17:04] sure, it was an example :) [17:24] pleia2, right [17:24] elfy: We could, but it's already at http://unity.ubuntu.com/mir/installing_prebuilt_on_pc.html (which they have updated.) so it'd either be a copy or link to that. [17:24] wut? [17:25] xubuntulovely, huh? [17:26] * elfy didn't do that - he did install xorg-server-xmir unity-system-compositor [17:27] he did uninstall as well ... [17:28] pleia2, soo... is popcon installed by default? [17:28] pleia2, or, enabled [17:28] knome: no [17:28] pleia2, so that's a stupid number as well [17:29] probably more accurate than our own opt-in thing [17:29] we can still tell people to opt-in, the procedure would just be enabling popcon [17:29] probably... but then again, it counts computers, not users [17:29] that's what it's for [17:29] that's ok [17:31] so, 138k xubuntu computers? [17:31] with popcon enabled, yeah [17:31] huhu [17:32] so my 15k estimate was very tentative [17:32] that's already a lot more than we'd get with any of our own opt-in stats [17:32] how are the stats compiled? [17:32] is it any xubuntu version? [17:32] and/or is there stats for specific versions [17:32] I just downloaded the raw stats from text file http://popcon.ubuntu.com/ [17:32] i'm looking at that too, but i thought you might know more [17:33] just read the README and FAQ :) [17:33] 03:54:05 #xubuntu-devel: < elfy> Unit193: I wonder if we should change vanir.unit193.tk/mir/ now that you can install the necessary to a daily [17:33] I don't know much beyond that [17:33] pleia2, i never read the FAQ! [17:33] :P [17:34] Unit193: I realised eventually .... * elfy didn't do that - he did install xorg-server-xmir unity-system-compositor [17:34] Alrighty. [17:35] pleia2, the README/FAQ do not talk about debian/ubuntu versions [17:35] knome: sorry, I meant to communicate "I don't know, I just read the faq and readme" [17:36] pleia2, yes, i figured that out. i wanted to communicate "unfortunately they don't tell me anything about that so i suppose the answer to my questions is that we can't track different operating system versions :(" [17:36] honestly I don't think it matters, stats always suck, but popcon was specifically designed for this [17:37] and argued about in exactly the same way :) [17:37] "In short, unless popcon is enabled by default, the statistics from it will continue to be invalid and of very little use, or worse, substantially misleading." [17:37] but it's better than a finger in the air I suppose [17:38] sure... but it *does* give us some kind of "minimum" value, which is better than nothing [17:38] and enabled by default is a privacy issue (though with shopping lens these days, the argument is much less valid :)) [17:38] pleia2, fffuuu, it's not [17:38] pleia2, it's perfectly valid nonetheless [17:38] I agree [17:38] pleia2, i'm just thinking what the correct place would be to tell people to enable popcon [17:38] with bith [17:38] sure, for you, but not in the actual discussion [17:39] knome: your idea for a slideshow item was fine [17:39] "want to be counted? click here to learn how to enable popcon" or whatever [17:39] pleia2, yeah, but i don't want to tell to "install the package popularity-contest" [17:39] then on the page we explain what it is, etc [17:41] Task: standard, kubuntu-active, kubuntu-active already installed. [17:47] bleh. [17:47] maybe the docs. [17:47] and then advertise those more on the slideshow [17:47] because they are kind of awesome anyway [17:48] +1 [17:48] pleia2, have some time this week? could go throgh the installed slideshow [17:49] knome: yeah, should [17:49] we still have a lot of time to do that, but could do that anyway, especially if we're going to add a slide [17:50] btw, if you're doing the new slideshow, be sure to use the latest version of the icon-theme [17:51] link: https://launchpad.net/~landronimirc/+archive/elementary-xfce [17:52] ochosi, not "new" exactly, but good pointer [17:53] ochosi, if you have extra time, file a bug report telling which icons need updating :) [17:53] i was mostly referring to screenshots [17:53] not many app-icons changed [17:53] mostly ff, because its logo was updated with v23 (or 22?) [17:54] sure, we need to retake the screenshots [17:55] yup, also please use the latest theme version ;) [17:55] /just_saying [17:55] :P [17:55] is it uploaded in saucy? [17:56] if not, can you file a bug telling what kind of weirdo setup we need to do before taking screenshots ;) [17:56] well i've been waiting for an upload of our artwork packages for a while now... [17:56] mr_pouit: ^ [18:12] pleia2, you around later today, like 21UTC or so? [18:12] knome: yeah [18:12] Sooo, are we pretty much done tracking the changes in Mir? [18:13] pleia2, oki, ping me around that time, or i'll ping you, and let's go through the slideshow [18:14] k [18:15] Unit193: I'll be checking my install out over the next week to see if the issues I've seen are any better [18:16] Since 0.0.9 came out over the weekend, I just rebuilt all for that but not sure it matters (not uploaded yet.) [18:18] bbl [18:19] Unit193: i read somewhere that they want X/Mir to support multi-monitor-setups _before_ uploading it to main, but now it seems to be in main already..? [18:20] Parts of it are still in universe. [18:21] aha, i guess i misinterpreted the phoronix headline then [18:21] unity-system-compositor is all that's left in universe, though. [19:55] Meeting added to the calendar. [20:00] Unit193, ta [20:07] pleia2, i'm ready if you are [20:07] it 20! [20:07] but ok [20:07] i know! [20:07] i can wait as well [20:07] nah now is fine [20:07] oki [20:07] do you have the branch branched? [20:07] what should I be looking at? [20:08] bzr pull lp:ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu [20:08] then in the dir, [20:08] ./test-slideshow.sh xubuntu [20:08] s/pull/branch [20:08] meh, yeah [20:08] i'm typoing [20:08] i have symlink lp->bzr for that exact reason too... [20:09] it yelled at me because I tried to use clone :) I haz git on teh brain [20:09] heh, yeah [20:09] too many different vcs [20:09] I use clone most times. :D [20:10] ooh pretty [20:10] ok, I'm looking [20:10] hehe, good [20:10] so shall we start with the first slide [20:10] [slide 1] [20:10] i was thinking we could change the first

[20:10] looks fine to me [20:10] alright [20:10] i mean, it says latest... [20:10] but it's not always latest [20:11] we might want to slightly change the wording [20:11] "Congratulations! You have chosen to install Xubuntu [versionnumber]." [20:11] or something [20:12] apart from that, i'm fine with that slide [20:12] yes, that's nice [20:12] ( http://www.dylanmccall.com/ubiquity-slideshow-preview/ ) [20:13] well bleh [20:13] i rather test is as it shows [20:13] so, [20:13] [Your web experience] [20:13] need to fix the firefox icon [20:13] Unit193: that's pretty cool :) [20:14] what's wrong with the firefox icon? [20:14] they recently changed [20:14] http://blog.mozilla.org/creative/2013/06/27/a-new-firefox-logo-for-a-new-firefox-era/ [20:15] I don't like "web" - email isn't "web" :) [20:15] oh [20:15] so probably s/web/internet [20:15] well it's basically the same, but... [20:15] web is html pages [20:15] if we s/web/internet/, then "They offer you the internet the way..." sounds weird [20:16] not to me [20:17] for me, "offering internet" is something that ISP's do [20:17] what if we just did "...from web applications: high performance..." ? [20:18] email is not web [20:18] err, sorry [20:18] from internet apps: [20:18] yeah [20:18] the point was to merge the two

's [20:18] * pleia2 nods [20:18] sounds good [20:18] ok, good [20:18] let me do those changes now so you'll be able to review them all when we're finished [20:19] \o/ [20:19] any wording ideas for the #1 slide? [20:19] just the Congratulations! [20:19] wait [20:19] heh [20:19] yeah [20:20] should we rename the slide title and add "congrats" to first

? [20:20] could be "Welcome to Xubuntu" [20:20] yes [20:20] ok, done [20:21] [Instant messaging] [20:21] oh, oops [20:21] i need to update the internet slide shot [20:21] i'll try to do something version-agnostic this time [20:21] so IM [20:22] regarding the shot, it's fine [20:22] and generally, i think it's ok [20:22] yeah [20:22] "is shipping" -> "ships" ? [20:23] ships is more consistant with tense on other slides [20:23] ok, done [20:23] [Enjoy your media] [20:24] i'm fine with that slide as well, but i'll double check the icons [20:24] italicize gmusicbrowser in 2nd paragraph? [20:25] mmh, sure [20:25] done [20:25] [In the office] [20:25] to be consistent, italicize LO (or not, because it's not installed by default)? [20:26] yes [20:26] s/in the repositories/for installation [20:26] normal people don't know what a repository is :) [20:26] and remove the comma? [20:26] yeah [20:26] done [20:26] i'll look at updating the screenshot [20:27] [The Xubutnu desktop] [20:27] I don't like italics on quick access [20:27] otherwise the text is fine [20:27] application-menu -> application(s) menu? [20:28] that must be something ochosi wrote, he over-uses hyphens [20:28] ah, I assumed it was some command name :) [20:28] nam [20:28] *nah [20:28] .. [20:28] i'll also look to update the screenshot there [20:28] applications menu [20:28] oki [20:28] [Know your desktop] [20:29] should we drop the mention about the docs here and create a new slide? [20:29] maybe add a slide [20:29] wait [20:29] i'm waiting [20:29] add to 2nd paragraph [20:29] or, [20:30] "To learn more about the Xubuntu desktop, along with instructions how to install more software, go to Help in the Application menu or see..." [20:30] or sth like that [20:30] yes [20:30] i don't think we need to over-advertise US [20:30] USC [20:31] http://pad.ubuntu.com/PgAAkd5J4i [20:31] actually, we do need to tell people about USC [20:31] aha [20:31] since it's a linux thing, other OSes don't have such things (well, aside from phones) [20:32] that looks good [20:33] and drop the xfce mention? [20:33] I think so [20:33] that kind of sucks [20:33] we mention it in the first slide [20:33] right [20:34] [Thank you!] [20:34] -section [20:34] stray - there [20:34] this is a trivial thing, but we currently do xubuntu??? with the nicks [20:34] we could go xubuntu?? or even xubuntu? [20:34] nah [20:35] i've never seen more than three webirc users at the same time [20:35] it happens sometimes [20:35] my argument is that it is easier to make a difference between xubuntu4 and xubuntu6 than xubuntu412 and xubuntu 461 [20:35] 3 is nice because it makes them more unique (particularly if we ever decide to do channel stats or something) [20:36] aha [20:36] fine then! [20:37] * knome sobs [20:37] :P [20:38] bzr branch lp:~knome/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/xubuntu-1310 [20:39] first desktop slide says "applications menu", second "Applications menu" [20:40] ochosi, FYI, our default is droid 10 [20:41] is good === hobgoblin is now known as elfy [20:41] i would fix the casing [20:41] either A A or a a [20:41] yeah [20:41] not A a [20:42] A [20:42] ok ,done [20:42] now i will work on the icons and shtos [20:42] *shots [20:42] i'll ping you again later when i've got all of that sorted out [20:43] k [20:59] knome: Since your meetup is over, and elfy confirmed the one that was supposed to be broken works, want another set published? [21:00] set of what? [21:00] for a reason or another, i'm quite lost [21:00] Cookies. [21:00] yes, please send me another batch of cookies [21:01] Unit193: it failed to reboot though [21:02] elfy: Oh? Any interesting text output or see that in the daily? [21:02] nope [21:02] nothing at all - just hung [21:02] the daily is fine [21:03] so in summary - the daily +installing the bits works - mostly - you're works ok - but didn't reboot [21:09] ok - update the pad with what I've got on these 2 machines - I'll check again before thursday's meeting - but I won't be there for it [21:10] http://paste.openstack.org/show/44074/ ready to press button. I'd bet I won't be there for it either. [21:12] not sure I'm going to make next week's either - pretty sure I've got to cover hours at work [21:26] elfy: Welp, you're now seeding an outdated iso. ;) [21:29] Unit193: no I'm not [21:29] unless there's a ghost doing it [21:31] There was some American downloading before I stopped and loaded the new ones. [21:33] I'm seeding to no-one [21:34] but I've got it there and will leave it overnight [21:36] Unit193: is the 32 bit one ok? [21:36] Should be just fine, yep. Did as much as I could to make sure, everything passed (except what was expected to fail.) [21:37] okey doke - grabbing that now then I'll seed it too [21:38] Sure, thanks. [21:40] ok - both there now [21:40] someone is grabbing the 64bit from me at mental speeds [21:43] Indeed, 2.2MB/s was what I was seeing, Verizon FIOS. [21:43] yea same one [22:05] pleia2, ping [22:05] knome: pong [22:05] pleia2, bzr branch lp:~knome/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/xubuntu-1310 [22:05] ochosi, ^ [22:06] knome: *now* it's a pull :) [22:06] how do i know if you deleted my poop [22:06] ;) [22:07] new firefox icon? [22:07] err, wait [22:07] i didn't update the tb shot [22:07] yeah, that and more [22:07] I mean, I don't see new ff icon [22:07] it is the new ff icon... :) [22:08] mortals are not supposed to notice the difference! [22:08] bah, I can't tell the difference :) [22:08] I see [22:08] looks good to me :) [22:08] yeah, except the internet slide is still outdated [22:08] let me fix that quickly [22:12] repull [22:12] should be version-agnostic now === brainwash_ is now known as brainwash [23:47] pleia2, knome FYI: dropped a mail to the list re. tracking GPU testing [23:47] might make it easier to track the range of cards tested: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mir/GPUTesting [23:59] jono, thanks for the URL above - very helpful