[01:02] <skellat> Okay, LP 1211575 looks notable yet odd
[06:18] <Noskcaj> Are there any xubuntu packages that are still on the "merge" list?
[06:19] <Noskcaj> And does anyone have a moment to try and install gthumb from source?
[10:33] <knome> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5980652/
[10:41] <knome> a friend suggested that we could have some kind of mechanism on the ISO that sends some stats
[10:41] <knome> i don't want an automatic mechanism, but we could add a slide on the installer slideshow saying "if you want to register this installation of xubuntu, click here"
[10:41] <lderan> so we can get the machine specifications? aye thats a good idea
[10:42] <knome> well no,
[10:42] <knome> installation count
[10:42] <knome> the URL could register one user automatically
[10:42] <knome> but also have buttons to tell "this machine actually has more than one user"
[10:42] <knome> so a "3" button, which would update the user count by two, but keep the machine count intact
[10:42] <knome> and sure, we could also gather some hardware information
[10:43] <knome> but everything should be an informed decision
[10:43] <lderan> agreed
[10:43] <knome> i think "register here" is good enough to tell the user "we're going to increase a counter by on"
[10:43] <knome> *one
[10:44] <knome> but i'm not sure how canonical would react to this idea
[10:44] <knome> they haven't been willing to share some data anyway...
[10:44] <knome> another idea is to create a package
[10:44] <knome> that sends us information
[10:44] <knome> about hardware, and real user count
[10:44] <knome> but again, i've no idea how canonical would react to that either
[10:45] <lderan> that would be good information to have
[10:45] <knome> i would imagine they aren't *too* keen on that
[10:46] <knome> but that'd be continuous submitting, so the server side should be a bit more complex
[10:48] <knome> pleia2, ping. you shall read the conversation above and comment.
[12:09] <elfy> knome: not sure if you caught my conversation with balloons yesterday, to cut a long story short a bunch of our xfce settings testcases have been marked as archived - he's no idea what's going on and has passed it on to stgraber
[12:10] <knome> i marked some archived (or disabled or whatever that is) - but that's to make them not show up in the wrong testsuite
[12:12] <elfy> yea - saw those - I've done similar -this is different
[12:12] <knome> oki
[12:12] <knome> :)
[12:12] <elfy> http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/300/builds/50384/testcases/1586/results
[12:12] <elfy> for instance
[12:12] <knome> hmpf, right
[12:12] <elfy> yea - that was my reaction to when I saw it
[12:13] <elfy> can't find anything to show why - nor even how to do it if we wanted to 
[12:13]  * knome looks at it
[12:14] <elfy> balloons just thought it was 'wild' lol
[12:14] <knome> hmm hmm
[12:14] <knome> http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/300/builds/50384/testcases/1586/results :P
[12:15] <elfy> how did you do that?
[12:15] <knome> i enabled it in the "core" testsuite
[12:15] <knome> (where we don't want it enabled)
[12:15] <knome> but that fixed it
[12:15] <elfy> oh
[12:15] <elfy> mmm
[12:15] <knome> did you file a bug about it, or just poked stgraber?
[12:16] <elfy> I poked balloons who poked stgraber
[12:16] <knome> ok
[12:17] <elfy> so I guess the question is how to delete things from testsuites 
[12:18] <knome> that needs admin powers
[12:18] <knome> but there is a bug too, this shouldn't happen
[12:18] <elfy> yea
[12:19] <elfy> it's showing disabled/archived again now
[12:19] <knome> yup, as i disabled it in the other testsuite
[12:19] <knome> i tested something
[12:19] <elfy> ok
[12:19] <knome> (that didn't work)
[12:20] <elfy> so if I see balloons before you - there is a bug, but if necessary to get around this we want stuff actually deleted from the xfce core testsuite so the ones we want are not archived
[12:20] <knome> sure
[12:20] <knome> i'm filing a bug *right now*
[12:21] <elfy> k
[12:21] <elfy> ok
[12:21] <elfy> I filed one on packages at the weekend
[12:22] <knome> about the same thing?
[12:22] <elfy> no way to report a bug against a testcase in packages - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-qa-website/+bug/1210728
[12:22] <knome> aha
[12:22] <knome> bug 1211746
[12:22] <elfy> I confirmed it lol
[12:23] <knome> me too...
[12:23] <knome> :P
[12:23] <elfy> I me too'd it as well 
[12:23] <knome> good good
[12:23] <knome> hope that gets fixed soon, or i get admin powers on the trackers :P
[12:23] <elfy> :)
[12:23] <elfy> I'd know which I'd rather ... 
[12:30] <elfy> knome: stgraber hasn't taken the bait ... 
[12:30] <elfy> hi skellat 
[12:31] <knome> elfy, i'm thinking balloons is trying to lean towards that at least ;)
[12:31] <knome> err, s/trying/starting/
[12:31] <elfy> good
[12:31] <lderan> \o/
[16:15] <pleia2> knome: instead of doing that, I'd prefer telling people to enable popcon and then just have us mine that data (which already exists!)
[16:15] <pleia2> elizabeth@r2d2$:~$ grep xubuntu-desktop all-popcon-results.txt
[16:15] <pleia2> Package: xubuntu-desktop                    0     0     0 116996
[16:16] <pleia2> http://popcon.ubuntu.com/
[17:03] <Unit193> pleia2: desktop may not be the best target, it's removed once you remove one of the default applications.  I'd think desktop-settins would be a better one, but could be just me http://paste.openstack.org/show/WJpBl90y905WHZ2INvDV
[17:04] <pleia2> sure, it was an example :)
[17:24] <knome> pleia2, right
[17:24] <Unit193> elfy: We could, but it's already at http://unity.ubuntu.com/mir/installing_prebuilt_on_pc.html (which they have updated.) so it'd either be a copy or link to that.
[17:24] <elfy> wut?
[17:25] <knome> xubuntulovely, huh?
[17:26]  * elfy didn't do that - he did install xorg-server-xmir unity-system-compositor
[17:27] <elfy> he did uninstall as well ... 
[17:28] <knome> pleia2, soo... is popcon installed by default?
[17:28] <knome> pleia2, or, enabled
[17:28] <pleia2> knome: no
[17:28] <knome> pleia2, so that's a stupid number as well
[17:29] <pleia2> probably more accurate than our own opt-in thing
[17:29] <pleia2> we can still tell people to opt-in, the procedure would just be enabling popcon
[17:29] <knome> probably... but then again, it counts computers, not users
[17:29] <pleia2> that's what it's for
[17:29] <pleia2> that's ok
[17:31] <knome> so, 138k xubuntu computers?
[17:31] <pleia2> with popcon enabled, yeah
[17:31] <knome> huhu
[17:32] <knome> so my 15k estimate was very tentative
[17:32] <pleia2> that's already a lot more than we'd get with any of our own opt-in stats
[17:32] <knome> how are the stats compiled?
[17:32] <knome> is it any xubuntu version?
[17:32] <knome> and/or is there stats for specific versions
[17:32] <pleia2> I just downloaded the raw stats from text file http://popcon.ubuntu.com/
[17:32] <knome> i'm looking at that too, but i thought you might know more
[17:33] <pleia2> just read the README and FAQ :)
[17:33] <Unit193> 03:54:05 #xubuntu-devel: < elfy> Unit193: I wonder if we should change vanir.unit193.tk/mir/ now that you can install the necessary to a daily
[17:33] <pleia2> I don't know much beyond that
[17:33] <knome> pleia2, i never read the FAQ!
[17:33] <pleia2> :P
[17:34] <elfy> Unit193: I realised eventually .... * elfy didn't do that - he did install xorg-server-xmir unity-system-compositor
[17:34] <Unit193> Alrighty.
[17:35] <knome> pleia2, the README/FAQ do not talk about debian/ubuntu versions
[17:35] <pleia2> knome: sorry, I meant to communicate "I don't know, I just read the faq and readme"
[17:36] <knome> pleia2, yes, i figured that out. i wanted to communicate "unfortunately they don't tell me anything about that so i suppose the answer to my questions is that we can't track different operating system versions :("
[17:36] <pleia2> honestly I don't think it matters, stats always suck, but popcon was specifically designed for this
[17:37] <elfy> and argued about in exactly the same way :)
[17:37] <elfy> "In short, unless popcon is enabled by default, the statistics from it will continue to be invalid and of very little use, or worse, substantially misleading."
[17:37] <elfy> but it's better than a finger in the air I suppose 
[17:38] <knome> sure... but it *does* give us some kind of "minimum" value, which is better than nothing
[17:38] <pleia2> and enabled by default is a privacy issue (though with shopping lens these days, the argument is much less valid :))
[17:38] <knome> pleia2, fffuuu, it's not
[17:38] <knome> pleia2, it's perfectly valid nonetheless
[17:38] <elfy> I agree 
[17:38] <knome> pleia2, i'm just thinking what the correct place would be to tell people to enable popcon
[17:38] <elfy> with bith
[17:38] <pleia2> sure, for you, but not in the actual discussion
[17:39] <pleia2> knome: your idea for a slideshow item was fine
[17:39] <pleia2> "want to be counted? click here to learn how to enable popcon" or whatever
[17:39] <knome> pleia2, yeah, but i don't want to tell to "install the package popularity-contest"
[17:39] <pleia2> then on the page we explain what it is, etc
[17:41] <Unit193> Task: standard, kubuntu-active, kubuntu-active  already installed.
[17:47] <knome> bleh.
[17:47] <knome> maybe the docs.
[17:47] <knome> and then advertise those more on the slideshow
[17:47] <knome> because they are kind of awesome anyway
[17:48] <pleia2> +1
[17:48] <knome> pleia2, have some time this week? could go throgh the installed slideshow
[17:49] <pleia2> knome: yeah, should
[17:49] <knome> we still have a lot of time to do that, but could do that anyway, especially if we're going to add a slide
[17:50] <ochosi> btw, if you're doing the new slideshow, be sure to use the latest version of the icon-theme
[17:51] <ochosi> link: https://launchpad.net/~landronimirc/+archive/elementary-xfce
[17:52] <knome> ochosi, not "new" exactly, but good pointer
[17:53] <knome> ochosi, if you have extra time, file a bug report telling which icons need updating :)
[17:53] <ochosi> i was mostly referring to screenshots
[17:53] <ochosi> not many app-icons changed
[17:53] <ochosi> mostly ff, because its logo was updated with v23 (or 22?)
[17:54] <knome> sure, we need to retake the screenshots
[17:55] <ochosi> yup, also please use the latest theme version ;)
[17:55] <ochosi>  /just_saying
[17:55] <knome> :P
[17:55] <knome> is it uploaded in saucy?
[17:56] <knome> if not, can you file a bug telling what kind of weirdo setup we need to do before taking screenshots ;)
[17:56] <ochosi> well i've been waiting for an upload of our artwork packages for a while now...
[17:56] <ochosi> mr_pouit: ^
[18:12] <knome> pleia2, you around later today, like 21UTC or so?
[18:12] <pleia2> knome: yeah
[18:12] <Unit193> Sooo, are we pretty much done tracking the changes in Mir?
[18:13] <knome> pleia2, oki, ping me around that time, or i'll ping you, and let's go through the slideshow
[18:14] <pleia2> k
[18:15] <elfy> Unit193: I'll be checking my install out over the next week to see if the issues I've seen are any better
[18:16] <Unit193> Since 0.0.9 came out over the weekend, I just rebuilt all for that but not sure it matters (not uploaded yet.)
[18:18] <knome> bbl
[18:19] <ochosi> Unit193: i read somewhere that they want X/Mir to support multi-monitor-setups _before_ uploading it to main, but now it seems to be in main already..?
[18:20] <Unit193> Parts of it are still in universe.
[18:21] <ochosi> aha, i guess i misinterpreted the phoronix headline then
[18:21] <Unit193> unity-system-compositor is all that's left in universe, though.
[19:55] <Unit193> Meeting added to the calendar.
[20:00] <knome> Unit193, ta
[20:07] <knome> pleia2, i'm ready if you are
[20:07] <pleia2> it 20!
[20:07] <pleia2> but ok
[20:07] <knome> i know!
[20:07] <knome> i can wait as well
[20:07] <pleia2> nah now is fine
[20:07] <knome> oki
[20:07] <knome> do you have the branch branched?
[20:07] <pleia2> what should I be looking at?
[20:08] <knome> bzr pull lp:ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu
[20:08] <knome> then in the dir,
[20:08] <knome> ./test-slideshow.sh xubuntu
[20:08] <pleia2> s/pull/branch
[20:08] <knome> meh, yeah
[20:08] <knome> i'm typoing
[20:08] <knome> i have symlink lp->bzr for that exact reason too...
[20:09] <pleia2> it yelled at me because I tried to use clone :) I haz git on teh brain
[20:09] <knome> heh, yeah
[20:09] <knome> too many different vcs
[20:09] <Unit193> I use clone most times. :D
[20:10] <pleia2> ooh pretty
[20:10] <pleia2> ok, I'm looking
[20:10] <knome> hehe, good
[20:10] <knome> so shall we start with the first slide
[20:10] <pleia2> [slide 1]
[20:10] <knome> i was thinking we could change the first <p>
[20:10] <pleia2> looks fine to me
[20:10] <pleia2> alright
[20:10] <knome> i mean, it says latest...
[20:10] <knome> but it's not always latest
[20:11] <knome> we might want to slightly change the wording
[20:11] <knome> "Congratulations! You have chosen to install Xubuntu [versionnumber]."
[20:11] <knome> or something
[20:12] <knome> apart from that, i'm fine with that slide
[20:12] <pleia2> yes, that's nice
[20:12] <Unit193> ( http://www.dylanmccall.com/ubiquity-slideshow-preview/ )
[20:13] <knome> well bleh
[20:13] <knome> i rather test is as it shows
[20:13] <knome> so,
[20:13] <knome> [Your web experience]
[20:13] <knome> need to fix the firefox icon
[20:13] <pleia2> Unit193: that's pretty cool :)
[20:14] <pleia2> what's wrong with the firefox icon?
[20:14] <knome> they recently changed
[20:14] <knome> http://blog.mozilla.org/creative/2013/06/27/a-new-firefox-logo-for-a-new-firefox-era/
[20:15] <pleia2> I don't like "web" - email isn't "web" :)
[20:15] <pleia2> oh
[20:15] <pleia2> so probably s/web/internet
[20:15] <knome> well it's basically the same, but...
[20:15] <pleia2> web is html pages
[20:15] <knome> if we s/web/internet/, then "They offer you the internet the way..." sounds weird
[20:16] <pleia2> not to me
[20:17] <knome> for me, "offering internet" is something that ISP's do
[20:17] <knome> what if we just did "...from web applications: high performance..." ?
[20:18] <pleia2> email is not web
[20:18] <knome> err, sorry
[20:18] <knome> from internet apps:
[20:18] <pleia2> yeah
[20:18] <knome> the point was to merge the two <p>'s
[20:18]  * pleia2 nods
[20:18] <pleia2> sounds good
[20:18] <knome> ok, good
[20:18] <knome> let me do those changes now so you'll be able to review them all when we're finished
[20:19] <pleia2> \o/
[20:19] <knome> any wording ideas for the #1 slide?
[20:19] <pleia2> just the Congratulations!
[20:19] <pleia2> wait
[20:19] <knome> heh
[20:19] <pleia2> yeah
[20:20] <knome> should we rename the slide title and add "congrats" to first <p>?
[20:20] <knome> could be "Welcome to Xubuntu"
[20:20] <pleia2> yes
[20:20] <knome> ok, done
[20:21] <knome> [Instant messaging]
[20:21] <knome> oh, oops
[20:21] <knome> i need to update the internet slide shot
[20:21] <knome> i'll try to do something version-agnostic this time
[20:21] <knome> so IM
[20:22] <knome> regarding the shot, it's fine
[20:22] <knome> and generally, i think it's ok
[20:22] <pleia2> yeah
[20:22] <knome> "is shipping" -> "ships" ?
[20:23] <pleia2> ships is more consistant with tense on other slides
[20:23] <knome> ok, done
[20:23] <knome> [Enjoy your media]
[20:24] <knome> i'm fine with that slide as well, but i'll double check the icons
[20:24] <pleia2> italicize gmusicbrowser in 2nd paragraph?
[20:25] <knome> mmh, sure
[20:25] <knome> done
[20:25] <knome> [In the office]
[20:25] <knome> to be consistent, italicize LO (or not, because it's not installed by default)?
[20:26] <pleia2> yes
[20:26] <pleia2> s/in the repositories/for installation
[20:26] <pleia2> normal people don't know what a repository is :)
[20:26] <knome> and remove the comma?
[20:26] <pleia2> yeah
[20:26] <knome> done
[20:26] <knome> i'll look at updating the screenshot
[20:27] <knome> [The Xubutnu desktop]
[20:27] <pleia2> I don't like italics on quick access
[20:27] <pleia2> otherwise the text is fine
[20:27] <knome> application-menu -> application(s) menu?
[20:28] <knome> that must be something ochosi wrote, he over-uses hyphens
[20:28] <pleia2> ah, I assumed it was some command name :)
[20:28] <knome> nam
[20:28] <knome> *nah
[20:28] <knome> ..
[20:28] <knome> i'll also look to update the screenshot there
[20:28] <pleia2> applications menu
[20:28] <knome> oki
[20:28] <knome> [Know your desktop]
[20:29] <knome> should we drop the mention about the docs here and create a new slide?
[20:29] <pleia2> maybe add a slide
[20:29] <pleia2> wait
[20:29] <knome> i'm waiting
[20:29] <pleia2> add to 2nd paragraph
[20:29] <knome> or,
[20:30] <knome> "To learn more about the Xubuntu desktop, along with instructions how to install more software, go to Help in the Application menu or see..."
[20:30] <knome> or sth like that
[20:30] <pleia2> yes
[20:30] <knome> i don't think we need to over-advertise US
[20:30] <knome> USC
[20:31] <knome> http://pad.ubuntu.com/PgAAkd5J4i
[20:31] <pleia2> actually, we do need to tell people about USC
[20:31] <knome> aha
[20:31] <pleia2> since it's a linux thing, other OSes don't have such things (well, aside from phones)
[20:32] <pleia2> that looks good
[20:33] <knome> and drop the xfce mention?
[20:33] <pleia2> I think so
[20:33] <knome> that kind of sucks
[20:33] <pleia2> we mention it in the first slide
[20:33] <knome> right
[20:34] <knome> [Thank you!]
[20:34] <pleia2> -section 
[20:34] <pleia2> stray - there
[20:34] <knome> this is a trivial thing, but we currently do xubuntu??? with the nicks
[20:34] <knome> we could go xubuntu?? or even xubuntu?
[20:34] <pleia2> nah
[20:35] <knome> i've never seen more than three webirc users at the same time
[20:35] <pleia2> it happens sometimes
[20:35] <knome> my argument is that it is easier to make a difference between xubuntu4 and xubuntu6 than xubuntu412 and xubuntu 461
[20:35] <pleia2> 3 is nice because it makes them more unique (particularly if we ever decide to do channel stats or something)
[20:36] <knome> aha
[20:36] <knome> fine then!
[20:37]  * knome sobs
[20:37] <pleia2> :P
[20:38] <knome> bzr branch lp:~knome/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/xubuntu-1310
[20:39] <knome> first desktop slide says "applications menu", second "Applications menu"
[20:40] <knome> ochosi, FYI, our default is droid 10
[20:41] <pleia2> is good
[20:41] <knome> i would fix the casing
[20:41] <knome> either A A or a a
[20:41] <pleia2> yeah
[20:41] <knome> not A a
[20:42] <pleia2> A
[20:42] <knome> ok ,done
[20:42] <knome> now i will work on the icons and shtos
[20:42] <knome> *shots
[20:42] <knome> i'll ping you again later when i've got all of that sorted out
[20:43] <pleia2> k
[20:59] <Unit193> knome: Since your meetup is over, and elfy confirmed the one that was supposed to be broken works, want another set published?
[21:00] <knome> set of what?
[21:00] <knome> for a reason or another, i'm quite lost
[21:00] <Unit193> Cookies.
[21:00] <knome> yes, please send me another batch of cookies
[21:01] <elfy> Unit193: it failed to reboot though
[21:02] <Unit193> elfy: Oh?  Any interesting text output or see that in the daily?
[21:02] <elfy> nope 
[21:02] <elfy> nothing at all - just hung
[21:02] <elfy> the daily is fine
[21:03] <elfy> so in summary - the daily +installing the bits works - mostly - you're works ok - but didn't reboot
[21:09] <elfy> ok - update the pad with what I've got on these 2 machines - I'll check again before thursday's meeting - but I won't be there for it 
[21:10] <Unit193> http://paste.openstack.org/show/44074/ ready to press button.  I'd bet I won't be there for it either.
[21:12] <elfy> not sure I'm going to make next week's either - pretty sure I've got to cover hours at work
[21:26] <Unit193> elfy: Welp, you're now seeding an outdated iso. ;)
[21:29] <elfy> Unit193: no I'm not 
[21:29] <elfy> unless there's a ghost doing it 
[21:31] <Unit193> There was some American downloading before I stopped and loaded the new ones.
[21:33] <elfy> I'm seeding to no-one 
[21:34] <elfy> but I've got it there and will leave it overnight
[21:36] <elfy> Unit193: is the 32 bit one ok?
[21:36] <Unit193> Should be just fine, yep.  Did as much as I could to make sure, everything passed (except what was expected to fail.)
[21:37] <elfy> okey doke - grabbing that now then I'll seed it too
[21:38] <Unit193> Sure, thanks.
[21:40] <elfy> ok - both there now 
[21:40] <elfy> someone is grabbing the 64bit from me at mental speeds
[21:43] <Unit193> Indeed, 2.2MB/s was what I was seeing, Verizon FIOS.
[21:43] <elfy> yea same one
[22:05] <knome> pleia2, ping
[22:05] <pleia2> knome: pong
[22:05] <knome> pleia2,      bzr branch lp:~knome/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/xubuntu-1310 
[22:05] <knome> ochosi, ^
[22:06] <pleia2> knome: *now* it's a pull :)
[22:06] <knome> how do i know if you deleted my poop
[22:06] <knome> ;)
[22:07] <pleia2> new firefox icon?
[22:07] <knome> err, wait
[22:07] <knome> i didn't update the tb shot
[22:07] <knome> yeah, that and more
[22:07] <pleia2> I mean, I don't see new ff icon
[22:07] <knome> it is the new ff icon... :)
[22:08] <knome> mortals are not supposed to notice the difference!
[22:08] <pleia2> bah, I can't tell the difference :)
[22:08] <pleia2> I see
[22:08] <pleia2> looks good to me :)
[22:08] <knome> yeah, except the internet slide is still outdated
[22:08] <knome> let me fix that quickly
[22:12] <knome> repull
[22:12] <knome> should be version-agnostic now
[23:47] <jono> pleia2, knome FYI: dropped a mail to the list re. tracking GPU testing
[23:47] <jono> might make it easier to track the range of cards tested: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mir/GPUTesting
[23:59] <texadactyl> jono, thanks for the URL above - very helpful