| Riddell | !testers | 4.11 in raring | 00:37 |
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| ubottu | 4.11 in raring: Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, smartboyhw, Quintasan, lordievader, shrini, tester56 for information. | 00:37 |
| Riddell | bah, copy package doesn't want to work http://paste.kde.org/p13184721/ | 01:48 |
| Riddell | dantti_laptop: should printer setup pick the driver automatically? | 01:48 |
| Riddell | damnit, needs --ppa-name added else it breaks, humph | 02:01 |
| Riddell | 4.11 copied to raring backports PPA | 02:10 |
| Riddell | yofel: what's in that digikam in ninjas? it's digikam 3.2 while backports has 3.3 so it didn't copy | 02:11 |
| * Riddell snoozes | 02:12 | |
| jussi | shadeslayer: oh shadeslayer! | 05:55 |
| shadeslayer | hi | 05:56 |
| Riddell | !testers | 4.11 for raring in kubuntu-ppa/backports | 07:47 |
| ubottu | 4.11 for raring in kubuntu-ppa/backports: Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, smartboyhw, Quintasan, lordievader, shrini, tester56 for information. | 07:47 |
| shadeslayer | backports? I'm testing 4.11 for precise from ninjas | 07:47 |
| Riddell | that's good too, precise is still in ninjas | 07:48 |
| shadeslayer | ack | 07:48 |
| Riddell | I've not tested that at all | 07:48 |
| shadeslayer | waiting for apt to finish | 07:48 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: Quantal: | 07:49 |
| shadeslayer | I'm not interested in Quantal - jriddell | 07:49 |
| shadeslayer | Drop Quantal and only support Raring / Precise then? This needs to be properly communicated via kubuntu.org IMHO | 07:49 |
| Riddell | that's my opinion | 07:56 |
| Riddell | and I'm sticking to it :) | 07:56 |
| shadeslayer | yes, but I'm not particularly keen on supporting Quantal as well :P | 07:57 |
| shadeslayer | so we should put an announcement saying "Switch to Precise / Raring " | 07:57 |
| Riddell | yep | 07:58 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: see http://paste.kde.org/p6045c9d5/ | 08:46 |
| shadeslayer | kwin being removed is not good :P | 08:46 |
| shadeslayer | also probably why kubuntu-lts-backport doesn't work maybe | 08:47 |
| soee | Riddell, hows the 4.11 for raring (64)? | 08:47 |
| shadeslayer | uhh | 08:50 |
| shadeslayer | [15223.293944] nepomukservices[1545]: segfault at 0 ip (null) sp 00007fffd70a39a8 error 14 in nepomukservicestub (deleted)[400000+7000] | 08:50 |
| shadeslayer | on 12.04 | 08:50 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: precise works for me, but I would not make it public yet | 09:02 |
| shadeslayer | we need to sort the HWE stack | 09:02 |
| Riddell | soee: needing testing in kubuntu-ppa/backports | 09:22 |
| Tm_T | time to upgrade KDE | 09:33 |
| Riddell | Tm_T: what to? | 09:34 |
| Tm_T | I assume 4.11 is what I'm getting from repos | 09:34 |
| Tm_T | yup | 09:34 |
| Tm_T | from ninjas it seems | 09:34 |
| === ghostcube_ is now known as ghostcube | ||
| shadeslayer | Tm_T: I'd recommend removing ninjas on production systems :P | 09:35 |
| shadeslayer | it's just for testing | 09:36 |
| shadeslayer | and building | 09:36 |
| Tm_T | oh, I often test | 09:36 |
| Riddell | Tm_T: hang on, this is raring? | 09:36 |
| Tm_T | hmm, yes | 09:36 |
| Riddell | Tm_T: please test from backports | 09:36 |
| Riddell | kubuntu-ppa/backports | 09:36 |
| Tm_T | hmm, I wonder why it chooses ninjas instead of backports | 09:36 |
| Tm_T | let's kick it a bit | 09:37 |
| Riddell | they're the same packages, just copied over, but backports needs that final test before announce | 09:37 |
| Tm_T | downloading from backports currently | 09:38 |
| Tm_T | not proposing any packages being removed or held back | 09:38 |
| Tm_T | no new packages to install either, which is understandable as I'm already in .11 series (beta/rc) | 09:40 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: kubuntu-lts-backport doesn't really work, but on my notebook 4.11 ran fine with mesa8 | 10:31 |
| yofel | Riddell: probably the old digikam rebuild, please make sure 4.11 in backports has a digikam build to go along with it | 10:32 |
| yofel | otherwise the kipi-plugins don't work | 10:32 |
| Riddell | ah, kipi, that old tricksy library, I always imagine it as a library with an organutang like in discworld | 10:35 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: do you have instructions on how to install the HWE stack without removing kwin? | 10:35 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: not yet | 10:35 |
| shadeslayer | okay | 10:36 |
| yofel | Riddell: oh, and copy amarok from the beta ppa, 2.7.1 is unusable with 4.11 unless patched | 10:38 |
| Riddell | good point | 10:38 |
| soee | Riddell, fonts-lyx libopencolorio1 libphononexperimental4 libyaml-cpp0.3 | 10:41 |
| soee | those are some new packages to be installed when upgrading ? | 10:42 |
| Riddell | soee: seems fine | 10:44 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: this seems to work | 10:54 |
| yofel | # apt-get install xserver-xorg-lts-raring libgl1-mesa-glx-lts-raring libglapi-mesa-lts-raring libgles2-mesa-lts-raring libegl1-mesa-lts-raring | 10:54 |
| yofel | sadly doing the same by metapackage doesn't seem to work :S | 10:56 |
| Tm_T | 4.11 on raring, all installs nicely | 11:07 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: yeah that looks good | 11:11 |
| yofel | Bug 1212204 | 11:12 |
| ubottu | bug 1212204 in Kubuntu PPA "Can't upgrade to KDE 4.11" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1212204 | 11:12 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: we can just add those commands to the release announcement | 11:12 |
| yofel | yeah, could you remove kubuntu-lts-backport from kubuntu-meta then please? | 11:13 |
| yofel | if it doesn't work it's just confusing | 11:13 |
| shadeslayer | sure | 11:13 |
| shadeslayer | that's from kubuntu-meta right? | 11:13 |
| yofel | kubuntu-meta in ninjas | 11:14 |
| shadeslayer | !find germinate.pm saucy | 11:19 |
| ubottu | File germinate.pm found in germinate | 11:19 |
| shadeslayer | ah, not a separate dh package | 11:19 |
| yofel | why germinate? | 11:19 |
| yofel | you can't use germinate here | 11:20 |
| shadeslayer | kubuntu-meta runs dh clean --with germinate | 11:20 |
| yofel | ah | 11:20 |
| * yofel didn't notice ^^ | 11:21 | |
| shadeslayer | uploaded | 11:24 |
| * shadeslayer is super hungry now | 11:24 | |
| shadeslayer | yofel: btw I found something awesomer than the ODROID U2 | 11:24 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: http://cubieboard.org/ | 11:24 |
| shadeslayer | has a SATA port | 11:24 |
| shadeslayer | and here's another one http://www.marsboard.com/ | 11:26 |
| smartboyhw | Good evening shadeslayer | 11:28 |
| shadeslayer | evening smartboyhw | 11:28 |
| smartboyhw | yofel, Riddell you still haven't replied to the mail yet:P | 11:28 |
| smartboyhw | So, saucy now in archive right? | 11:28 |
| smartboyhw | I mean, 4.11.0 | 11:28 |
| shadeslayer | yes | 11:28 |
| === smartboyhw changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly Computing | https://trello.com/kubuntu | https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas 4.11.0 saucy/archive raring/ninjas | 13.10 Alpha 2 released | 13.10 milestoned bugs tagged Kubuntu http://goo.gl/vHRjj | | ||
| shadeslayer | :O | 11:29 |
| shadeslayer | Free shipping | 11:29 |
| shadeslayer | :OO | 11:29 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, what? | 11:30 |
| shadeslayer | http://www.hotmcu.com/marsboard-a10-dev-board-p-59.html?cPath=33 | 11:30 |
| shadeslayer | Mars Board | 11:30 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, wow | 11:30 |
| * smartboyhw only wants a Ultrabook over $1500 USD | 11:31 | |
| smartboyhw | :P | 11:31 |
| shadeslayer | heh | 11:31 |
| yofel | kernel panic, fun | 11:31 |
| smartboyhw | yofel, oh:( | 11:32 |
| shadeslayer | smartboyhw: ultrabooks are overrated | 11:32 |
| shadeslayer | get a thinkpad | 11:32 |
| shadeslayer | get a T440 whe it comes out | 11:32 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, how much does it cost? And what are the specs？ | 11:32 |
| shadeslayer | no idea on cost | 11:32 |
| shadeslayer | google around | 11:32 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: *drool* | 11:32 |
| shadeslayer | there's also the X240 | 11:33 |
| * smartboyhw wonders why Quintasan suddenly has so many blog posts on Planet Ubuntu... | 11:33 | |
| shadeslayer | which was released recently | 11:33 |
| Quintasan | what | 11:33 |
| smartboyhw | Quintasan, look at planet.ubuntu.com | 11:33 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: I'd buy it if I could only think of a proper use for it xD | 11:33 |
| smartboyhw | You have posts from after UDS-P it seems | 11:33 |
| smartboyhw | :o | 11:33 |
| yofel | true :D | 11:33 |
| Quintasan | ... | 11:33 |
| shadeslayer | sure you could host owncloud, but I also want to host mykolab | 11:33 |
| smartboyhw | What I want is a 1TB server to mirror things:p | 11:34 |
| Quintasan | Well, looks like editing visibility also causes the bot to pickup the posts as new ones | 11:34 |
| Quintasan | God damn it | 11:34 |
| shadeslayer | and for that I need a very good internet connection :P | 11:34 |
| * smartboyhw just fixed his wifi to become faster | 11:34 | |
| Quintasan | lol no | 11:34 |
| Quintasan | Don't get a damn T440 | 11:34 |
| shadeslayer | why not? | 11:34 |
| smartboyhw | At least it doesn't lag while using IRC + Firefox + sudo apt-get dist-upgrade | 11:34 |
| shadeslayer | fwiw it's not even out yet | 11:34 |
| Quintasan | Did you even look at the keyboard? | 11:34 |
| shadeslayer | It's not out yet | 11:34 |
| shadeslayer | is it? | 11:35 |
| * smartboyhw does not care about design | 11:35 | |
| Quintasan | If it's going to have the same shitty keyboard as T430 which I have | 11:35 |
| Quintasan | Then srsly | 11:35 |
| * smartboyhw cares only about spec | 11:35 | |
| shadeslayer | also, I use a external keyboard and mouse | 11:35 |
| smartboyhw | !language | Quintasan | 11:35 |
| ubottu | Quintasan: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family-friendly, polite, and professional. | 11:35 |
| smartboyhw | ：P | 11:35 |
| shadeslayer | ololololo | 11:35 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: http://www.hotmcu.com/marsboard-a20-dev-board-p-60.html | 11:35 |
| yofel | smartboyhw: you don't have to be that sensitive... | 11:36 |
| smartboyhw | yofel, because I'm tired of hearing all these words at school... | 11:36 |
| yofel | *shrug* | 11:36 |
| * yofel grew up hearing them all the time | 11:36 | |
| smartboyhw | Anyways... | 11:36 |
| Quintasan | Well, I was going apeshit with that Print Screen key | 11:37 |
| Quintasan | Same as agateau | 11:37 |
| shadeslayer | heh | 11:37 |
| shadeslayer | yeah you can xmodmap that away | 11:37 |
| Quintasan | Some bloody idiot thought it's a good idea to place the Print Screen key where Menu key was supposed to be. | 11:37 |
| Quintasan | Not under Windows :D | 11:37 |
| shadeslayer | and anyway I use a external TVS Gold keyboard | 11:37 |
| === ghostcube_ is now known as ghostcube | ||
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, you mean the Lenovo ThinkPad right? | 11:37 |
| shadeslayer | cheapest ( and the awesomest ) mechanical keyboard money can buy | 11:37 |
| shadeslayer | with blue cherry switches | 11:37 |
| Quintasan | I'd rather get an older model now that I think about it. | 11:38 |
| Quintasan | The one with rotating screen from X series | 11:38 |
| smartboyhw | I went to try the soft detachable keyboard of Microsoft Surface RT today, VERY TERRIBLE. | 11:38 |
| yofel | http:/blog.laptopmag.com/thinkpad-type-off-is-lenovos-new-island-style-keyboard-better-or-worse | 11:38 |
| shadeslayer | smartboyhw: yes | 11:38 |
| yofel | ok, that PrtSc is WTF | 11:38 |
| Quintasan | brb | 11:38 |
| yofel | although on my edge it's at the same place | 11:39 |
| yofel | I just never press it | 11:39 |
| smartboyhw | Nice keyboard:P | 11:39 |
| smartboyhw | Ignore my art sense though plz, I never did good at art | 11:39 |
| smartboyhw | Wow, build status on raring 4.11.0 looks great | 11:41 |
| smartboyhw | Has it migrated yet? | 11:41 |
| shadeslayer | yep | 11:41 |
| smartboyhw | Hmm, is Precise there? | 11:42 |
| smartboyhw | Yep | 11:42 |
| smartboyhw | :P | 11:42 |
| shadeslayer | in ninjas | 11:42 |
| smartboyhw | Hmm, looks clean too | 11:42 |
| Quintasan | yofel: It's like | 11:42 |
| smartboyhw | :O | 11:42 |
| Quintasan | "I DON'T USE THIS KEY SO LET'S GET RID OF IT | 11:43 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, raring in beta or backports ppa? | 11:43 |
| yofel | indeed | 11:43 |
| Quintasan | AND PLACE PRINT SCREEN SINCE IT ALSO DOESNT DO ANYTHING | 11:43 |
| smartboyhw | Backports? | 11:43 |
| shadeslayer | backports | 11:43 |
| * shadeslayer realllllly wants that board | 11:43 | |
| === smartboyhw changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly Computing | https://trello.com/kubuntu | https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas 4.11.0 saucy/archive raring/backports precise/ninjas| 13.10 Alpha 2 released | 13.10 milestoned bugs tagged Kubuntu http://goo.gl/vHRjj | | ||
| shadeslayer | but no justification to buy it | 11:43 |
| yofel | well, it makes using sysrq less of an acrobatic stunt :P | 11:43 |
| shadeslayer | heh | 11:43 |
| * shadeslayer has the standard 104 key keyboard | 11:44 | |
| shadeslayer | with the rupee symbol | 11:44 |
| * yofel likes his old T510 | 11:44 | |
| smartboyhw | OK, somebody please fix okular in precise:P | 11:46 |
| smartboyhw | Then we can release it I think | 11:46 |
| * smartboyhw needs to take a shower, so don't ask him | 11:46 | |
| Tm_T | Riddell: all looks good in raring | 11:47 |
| Tm_T | installs fine runs fine | 11:47 |
| smartboyhw | Tm_T, has shadeslayer asked you for some ktp raring QA? | 11:48 |
| yofel | nvm okular | 11:49 |
| * shadeslayer nominates smartboyhw to do the paperwork for Raring SRU | 11:49 | |
| yofel | that's fine | 11:49 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, eh, let me take the shower first plz... | 11:49 |
| shadeslayer | sure | 11:49 |
| * yofel edits the hook so that ends up in not-installed | 11:50 | |
| smartboyhw | yofel, so probably we can migrate it to backports ppa | 11:50 |
| smartboyhw | I mean, 4.11.0 precise | 11:51 |
| Tm_T | smartboyhw: not that I know | 11:51 |
| yofel | smartboyhw: no | 11:53 |
| yofel | smartboyhw: you can move it once kubuntu-meta finished updating, you've verified that it runs, that the kipi-plugins work fine and that amarok is ok | 11:53 |
| yofel | please don't push untested software onto users | 11:54 |
| * yofel had 3 full system lockups in the last half hour | 11:55 | |
| yofel | I think 3.11 and lxc don't like each other | 11:55 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: btw, if you ever need to comment out a package in a control file with sed: | 12:03 |
| yofel | sed -e '/^Package: active-documentviewer$/,/^$/ s.^.#.' | 12:03 |
| shadeslayer | yes I saw that | 12:03 |
| shadeslayer | care to explain? | 12:03 |
| shadeslayer | -> sed newb | 12:03 |
| yofel | from "^Package: active-documentviewer$", to "^$" (empty line), do s.^.#. (where the regular / is replaced by .) | 12:04 |
| shadeslayer | o_O | 12:08 |
| shadeslayer | $ denotes end of line? | 12:08 |
| tsimpson | yes | 12:09 |
| shadeslayer | I know ^ denotes begins with | 12:09 |
| shadeslayer | aha cool | 12:09 |
| shadeslayer | makes sense to me | 12:09 |
| * shadeslayer giggles at http://www.wandboard.org/ | 12:11 | |
| yofel | heh | 12:12 |
| smartboyhw | yofel, I will probably package amarok once it's tagged (2.8.0) | 12:14 |
| * smartboyhw goes and does the paperwork for ktp | 12:16 | |
| yofel | sure, go ahead | 12:17 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, where does your packages reside? | 12:17 |
| smartboyhw | I mean, ktp raring | 12:17 |
| smartboyhw | And can somebody nominate the release for raring... | 12:17 |
| smartboyhw | Bug 1208837 | 12:17 |
| ubottu | bug 1208837 in meta-kde-telepathy (Ubuntu) "Please update meta-kde-telepathy to 0.6.3" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1208837 | 12:18 |
| shadeslayer | https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/nightly | 12:18 |
| shadeslayer | can do | 12:18 |
| yofel | done | 12:18 |
| smartboyhw | yofel, beat shadeslayer :P | 12:19 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, you failed:P | 12:19 |
| shadeslayer | *shrug* | 12:19 |
| * shadeslayer needs to update his Qt patch | 12:20 | |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, yofel um in the SRU bug template there is a "Test Case" section, what to write? | 12:21 |
| shadeslayer | what do you think it should contain? | 12:21 |
| shadeslayer | so this is one of the things I would probably mention tomorrow | 12:21 |
| shadeslayer | filing SRU paperwork, have you ever done it? | 12:21 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, once | 12:22 |
| smartboyhw | Er, twice actually | 12:22 |
| smartboyhw | But this one contains several bugs:P | 12:22 |
| shadeslayer | okay, from now on I will forward all SRU paperwork to you :> | 12:22 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, tomorrow? | 12:22 |
| shadeslayer | smartboyhw: in the email reply | 12:23 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, oh great:) | 12:23 |
| shadeslayer | I will devote some time tomorrow to write a reply since I have a holiday tomorrow | 12:23 |
| shadeslayer | rain \o/ | 12:26 |
| shadeslayer | the awesome kind | 12:26 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, anyways, how to write the [Test case] part? That's the only part I don't know what to write on. | 12:26 |
| shadeslayer | so heavy the street will soon turn into a boat | 12:26 |
| shadeslayer | erm, s/boat/river/ | 12:26 |
| shadeslayer | would be weird if roads started turning into boats | 12:27 |
| shadeslayer | smartboyhw: what do you think should be in there? | 12:27 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, instructions on how to run it and how to verify the bugs fixed (but there's 7) | 12:27 |
| shadeslayer | nope, this is ubuntu specific, try again | 12:28 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, .......... | 12:28 |
| shadeslayer | whee the rain is coming inside my room, and the door is like 3 feet away | 12:28 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, tell people to report bugs when there's a regression? | 12:29 |
| * smartboyhw is running out of "Kubuntu-specific" SRU testcases thinking | 12:29 | |
| shadeslayer | go on, what kind of regressions are we looking for? | 12:30 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, crashes | 12:30 |
| shadeslayer | not really | 12:30 |
| shadeslayer | packaging issues | 12:30 |
| shadeslayer | file conflicts | 12:30 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, ah, that. | 12:30 |
| shadeslayer | packages being uninstallable | 12:30 |
| shadeslayer | those are ubuntu specific things, if KTP crashes it's not our fault ( unless caused by some random patch we threw in ) | 12:31 |
| shadeslayer | we can shout at d_ed if KTP crashes | 12:31 |
| shadeslayer | also gives a bad rep for future SRU's :P | 12:31 |
| * smartboyhw asks shadeslayer to have a look at Bug #1208837 now and see if it is correct.. | 12:33 | |
| ubottu | bug 1208837 in meta-kde-telepathy (Ubuntu) "Please update meta-kde-telepathy to 0.6.3" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1208837 | 12:33 |
| shadeslayer | 'unpackaging' ? | 12:34 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, damn, unpacking:P | 12:34 |
| shadeslayer | ;) | 12:34 |
| shadeslayer | looks good to me | 12:34 |
| * smartboyhw subscribes ubuntu-sru | 12:34 | |
| shadeslayer | damnit gitorious is down :/ | 12:35 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, oh:( | 12:35 |
| soee | uhm my laptop freezed during upgrade but im not sure it it is related to KDE or that i was using Chrome during upgrade | 12:39 |
| smartboyhw | soee, uh oh... | 12:40 |
| soee | now sudo dpkg --configure -a started | 12:40 |
| smartboyhw | Yeah | 12:40 |
| smartboyhw | And? | 12:40 |
| soee | problems occured when processing kexi and krita :) | 12:42 |
| smartboyhw | Uh oh | 12:43 |
| smartboyhw | ..... | 12:43 |
| smartboyhw | :( | 12:43 |
| smartboyhw | That will probably be my fault, :( | 12:43 |
| soee | kexi : Wymaga: calligra-libs (= 1:2.7.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu13.04~ppa2) ale 1:2.6.3-0ubuntu1 jest zainstalowany | 12:43 |
| soee | krita : Wymaga: calligra-libs (= 1:2.7.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu13.04~ppa2) ale 1:2.6.3-0ubuntu1 jest zainstalowany | 12:43 |
| smartboyhw | soee, eh!? | 12:44 |
| smartboyhw | soee, run sudo apt-get update again? | 12:44 |
| d_ed | shadeslayer: huh, ktp crashes? | 12:44 |
| soee | apt-get -f install | 12:44 |
| shadeslayer | d_ed: nothing :) | 12:44 |
| shadeslayer | d_ed: <3 | 12:44 |
| d_ed | oh ok | 12:45 |
| d_ed | don't worry me like that :) | 12:45 |
| soee | smartboyhw, looks like fixed | 12:45 |
| smartboyhw | soee, phew:) | 12:45 |
| shadeslayer | death by ktp crash? surely that'll be a first :P | 12:45 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, good jk | 12:45 |
| smartboyhw | d_ed gets a shock, lol | 12:46 |
| smartboyhw | d_ed, so did you managed to discuss with my mentor on the project? | 12:46 |
| shadeslayer | smartboyhw: so, do you know what -v does when you pass it to debuild | 12:53 |
| shadeslayer | without looking at the man page :P | 12:53 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, specify the version | 12:53 |
| shadeslayer | specify the version for what | 12:54 |
| * smartboyhw saw it before in a wiki yesterday for dpkg-buildpackage, so probably it will be that... | 12:54 | |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, for the generated .deb files? | 12:54 |
| shadeslayer | nope | 12:54 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, ah? Source packages? Debian ABIs? | 12:54 |
| shadeslayer | nope & nope | 12:55 |
| smartboyhw | ....... | 12:55 |
| shadeslayer | look at the man page now | 12:55 |
| yofel | ^^ | 12:57 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, man dpkg-buildpackage just gives me -vversion... | 12:57 |
| smartboyhw | Probably version in changelog??? | 12:57 |
| shadeslayer | didn't I say debuild? | 12:57 |
| shadeslayer | oh wait | 12:57 |
| shadeslayer | yeah so | 12:58 |
| shadeslayer | what does it do :? | 12:58 |
| shadeslayer | :> | 12:58 |
| shadeslayer | we should have asked this during the next interview :P | 12:59 |
| shadeslayer | but okay | 12:59 |
| yofel | this is so seldomly used that he would've hardly learned about it somewhere else | 12:59 |
| shadeslayer | well, it's suppsoedly used in SRU's | 13:00 |
| shadeslayer | uh, it's supposed to be used extensively in SRU's | 13:00 |
| * yofel never did SRU's that needed that | 13:00 | |
| yofel | I only use it for merges | 13:00 |
| shadeslayer | I learnt it after ScottK poked me to use it for SRU's | 13:01 |
| yofel | smartboyhw: so, what's the effect? | 13:01 |
| yofel | this discussion feels like we're playing taboo ^^ | 13:01 |
| shadeslayer | hehe | 13:02 |
| shadeslayer | damnit | 13:02 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: can you reject call-ui with the ppa1 version | 13:02 |
| shadeslayer | smartboyhw: feel free to take your time btw | 13:04 |
| shadeslayer | you don't have to answer straight away | 13:05 |
| shadeslayer | can someone QA kscreen plz | 13:08 |
| shadeslayer | preferably on actual HW | 13:08 |
| * Riddell out for a couple of hours | 13:10 | |
| shadeslayer | cya | 13:10 |
| * shadeslayer is almost done for the day as well | 13:11 | |
| yofel | kscreen what ver on what series from where? | 13:12 |
| shadeslayer | raring ofcourse :P | 13:13 |
| shadeslayer | 1.0.1 I think | 13:13 |
| shadeslayer | it's already in proposed | 13:13 |
| yofel | ah ok | 13:13 |
| yofel | what's up with ~ubuntu13.04.1 in SRU's btw? | 13:14 |
| yofel | new policy? | 13:14 |
| shadeslayer | well, I use it to make sure upgrades from raring to saucy work fine when the packages in saucy have the same version, though I could also use Xubuntu0.1 | 13:15 |
| yofel | what do you do when you need to fix something? | 13:17 |
| yofel | 13.04.2? | 13:17 |
| shadeslayer | my packages are perfect!!! :P | 13:17 |
| shadeslayer | but yeah you're right :( | 13:18 |
| shadeslayer | now I get to upload the entire ktp stack again | 13:18 |
| shadeslayer | :'( | 13:18 |
| yofel | usually it's not an issue because you would fix saucy as well, but still. (and I was confused as this was usally the backports versioning) | 13:18 |
| shadeslayer | true true | 13:19 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, well, it works in backports so that you don't have to explicitly change the changelog version yourself by editing right? | 13:25 |
| smartboyhw | Why we have 13.04.1 and 13.04.2!? | 13:25 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: please reject all ktp stuff because I am changing the version to Xubuntu0.1 | 13:25 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, did you see my answer? | 13:26 |
| smartboyhw | ... | 13:26 |
| shadeslayer | smartboyhw: what answer? | 13:27 |
| smartboyhw | <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, well, it works in backports so that you don't have to explicitly change the changelog version yourself by editing right? | 13:27 |
| smartboyhw | It's easier I think:) | 13:27 |
| shadeslayer | is that answer to what -v does? | 13:27 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, yeah, and by running -v the changelog will not be altered but the package will be using the -v version no, | 13:27 |
| shadeslayer | nope | 13:27 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, no? | 13:28 |
| smartboyhw | Oh gor | 13:28 |
| smartboyhw | *god | 13:28 |
| smartboyhw | -vversion | 13:28 |
| smartboyhw | Causes changelog information from all versions strictly later | 13:28 |
| smartboyhw | than version to be used. | 13:28 |
| smartboyhw | Eh? | 13:29 |
| * smartboyhw doesn't understand thhat | 13:29 | |
| shadeslayer | funky thing is dpkg-buildpackage -h documents the flag | 13:29 |
| shadeslayer | -v<version> changes since version <version>. | 13:29 |
| shadeslayer | does that make more sense? | 13:29 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, oh | 13:29 |
| smartboyhw | Ubuntu Edge just passed 10m | 13:30 |
| smartboyhw | 200000 away from hitting the record | 13:31 |
| shadeslayer | *shrug* | 13:31 |
| ScottK | shadeslayer: Done | 13:32 |
| shadeslayer | thx | 13:32 |
| shadeslayer | running script to fix the version | 13:33 |
| ScottK | yofel: You should also use -v for merges so you get all the Debian changelog entries on the .changes file. | 13:34 |
| yofel | ScottK: that's what I do, I just don't use it anywhere else | 13:34 |
| ScottK | Ah. OK. | 13:35 |
| ScottK | Yeah, doesn't come up much otherwise. | 13:35 |
| shadeslayer | I wonder where murthy went | 13:45 |
| shadeslayer | I don't see him around these days | 13:45 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, +1 | 13:46 |
| smartboyhw | What happened to him? | 13:46 |
| shadeslayer | phew | 13:48 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: that should be everything | 13:48 |
| * shadeslayer is afk for a bit | 13:50 | |
| shadeslayer | or rather, I'll return tomorrow morning | 13:50 |
| shadeslayer | cya | 13:50 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, tmr morning!? | 13:56 |
| shadeslayer | smartboyhw: yes, I'm tired | 14:04 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, oh:( | 14:04 |
| smartboyhw | Good night then:P | 14:04 |
| shadeslayer | well, too early to sleep :P | 14:04 |
| shadeslayer | it's only 7:30 PM | 14:04 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, it's 10:04 PM here:P | 14:04 |
| dantti_laptop | Riddell: normally yes (about printer driver) | 14:35 |
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| Riddell | dantti_laptop: any ideas what I'm not installing to make that work? or should I ask till? | 16:02 |
| Riddell | Quintasan, shadeslayer, anyone: plasma active 4.0 tars due this evening | 16:03 |
| Quintasan | SPLENDID | 16:03 |
| Quintasan | We shall bring them into our repositories! | 16:03 |
| Riddell | some notes from martin http://paste.kde.org/p2993d2e9/ | 16:03 |
| dantti_laptop | Riddell: do you have system-config-printer installed? | 16:06 |
| dantti_laptop | Riddell: basically if you just have system-config-printer-udev it will set it up even if you are not logged in | 16:07 |
| Riddell | dantti_laptop: hmm, I've system-config-printer-udev but not system-config-printer-common (or -gnome) | 16:07 |
| Riddell | dantti_laptop: alas it doesn't just set it up with system-config-printer-udev | 16:07 |
| dantti_laptop | Riddell: so, if you open the add printer dialog now you probably need the -gnome because if had the dbus interface used to find the best driver | 16:08 |
| dantti_laptop | Riddell: btw now I wonde why print-manager package does not depends on the -gnome anymore :P | 16:09 |
| dantti_laptop | *wonder | 16:09 |
| Riddell | dantti_laptop: well it's -gnome | 16:13 |
| dantti_laptop | well it should at least have a recommends then.. it would be good if the dbus interface didn't depend on gtk but well :( | 16:14 |
| Riddell | I'll play around a bit with those installed thanks | 16:14 |
| dantti_laptop | yw, if you know the driver you can add using print-manager but s-c-p has a good logic to find the best ones, sadly that isn't easy to replicate | 16:15 |
| Quintasan | shadeslayer, yofel: My brethren! We shall bestow the glory of new Plasma Active 4 upon our repostories so then can shine brightly and guide lost souls to our distribution | 16:18 |
| Riddell | hmm, precise not happy for upgrade | 17:40 |
| Riddell | akonadi-server : Depends: libboost-program-options1.53.0 but it is not installable | 17:40 |
| * genii makes a note not to upgrade today | 17:43 | |
| Riddell | that makes no sense, it build-deps on libboost-program-options1.48-dev | 17:43 |
| Riddell | ah hah s/saucy/precise/ in sources.list would help | 17:43 |
| Riddell | yes much better | 17:44 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: your brother is in #kubuntu :) | 18:09 |
| JontheEchidna | haha | 18:09 |
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| Riddell | !testers | 4.11 for precise in kubuntu-ppa/backports | 18:16 |
| ubottu | 4.11 for precise in kubuntu-ppa/backports: Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, smartboyhw, Quintasan, lordievader, shrini, tester56 for information. | 18:16 |
| TheOneRing | hi does anyone know hefeweiz3n personally? he still has my ac adapter which I lost in bilbao and I cant reach him by mail or irc | 18:17 |
| yofel | Riddell: digikam and amarok were fixed before you copied, yes? | 18:17 |
| Riddell | yofel: hmm, what needs fixed? | 18:18 |
| Riddell | yofel: amarok is 2.7.90 and digikam is 3.3.0 | 18:21 |
| yofel | digikam is built against 4.10, but amarok is ok | 18:21 |
| yofel | digikam: | 18:21 |
| yofel | 4:3.3.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu12.04+KDE4.11~ppa1 0 | 18:21 |
| yofel | 50 http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/beta/ubuntu/ precise/main amd64 Packages | 18:21 |
| yofel | 4:3.3.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu12.04~ppa6 0 | 18:21 |
| yofel | 50 http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu/ precise/main amd64 Packages | 18:21 |
| Quintasan | Getting 4.11 for raring tested | 18:21 |
| Quintasan | precise has to be done by someone else or to wait | 18:22 |
| Riddell | yofel: I copied 4:3.3.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu12.04+KDE4.11~ppa1 to backpotrs | 18:22 |
| yofel | thanks | 18:22 |
| yofel | that should be everything then :) | 18:22 |
| soee | Riddell, Raring tested / https://plus.google.com/communities/108139456908538054874/stream/071f86c9-07eb-4262-b193-650bb6053552 | 18:24 |
| Riddell | how's this? https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.11 | 18:26 |
| Riddell | soee: all ok? | 18:28 |
| soee | Riddell, seems so | 18:29 |
| Riddell | lovely thanks | 18:29 |
| Riddell | how's this? http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.11 | 18:30 |
| yofel | Riddell: wrong PPA | 18:32 |
| Riddell | tsk, changed it in one please but missed oher | 18:32 |
| Riddell | fixed | 18:32 |
| soee | is there some difference using apt-add-repository and add-apt-repository ? | 18:32 |
| yofel | soee: none, one is a symlink to the other | 18:32 |
| Riddell | soee: no same thing | 18:32 |
| Riddell | slightly confusing that | 18:32 |
| Riddell | groovy, I think that's a wrap, I'm going out for a canoe, thanks for your help yofel and others, call my mobile if problems occur (jriddell.org/contact.html) | 18:39 |
| yofel | sure, happy canoeing ;) | 18:40 |
| Quintasan | Riddell: Have a nice...trip? | 18:42 |
| Riddell | Quintasan: just an evening game of polo on the canal | 18:48 |
| Riddell | "KDE Community (@kdecommunity) favorited one of your Tweets!" woo, we're upstream's favourite :) | 18:48 |
| Riddell | although I'm not convinced favorited is a word | 18:48 |
| Quintasan | 4.11 on raring went smoothly | 18:54 |
| * contrast is heartbroken that 4.11 won't be on Quantal. | 18:55 | |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: 4.11 from ninjas on precise went smoothly | 18:59 |
| shadeslayer | we just need proper instructions on the release announcement so that people install the HWE stack | 18:59 |
| Quintasan | HWE? | 19:07 |
| skellat | Hardware Enablement | 19:08 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: how does it run for you without the HWE stack? | 19:08 |
| Quintasan | What the hell... | 19:09 |
| * Quintasan is totally not following now. | 19:09 | |
| yofel | contrast: well, we *could* do it. | 19:09 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: huh? | 19:09 |
| shadeslayer | ah | 19:09 |
| shadeslayer | you switched the deps right | 19:09 |
| contrast | yofel: Go onn... :) | 19:09 |
| * yofel wonders where howards quantal stuff ended up at... | 19:10 | |
| Quintasan | so what is this HWE stack you are talking about? | 19:10 |
| yofel | !info xserver-xorg-lts-raring precise | 19:10 |
| ubottu | xserver-xorg-lts-raring (source: xorg-lts-raring): X.Org X server. In component main, is optional. Version 1:7.7+1ubuntu4~precise1 (precise), package size 16 kB, installed size 188 kB (Only available for amd64; i386) | 19:11 |
| yofel | kernel/X/mesa backported from raring to precise-updates | 19:11 |
| Quintasan | oooh | 19:11 |
| yofel | with different names though | 19:11 |
| yofel | mostly intended for the point images | 19:11 |
| yofel | Quintasan: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack | 19:12 |
| yofel | *sigh* | 19:13 |
| yofel | I guess no UEFI support in 12.04.3 for us again | 19:13 |
| yofel | contrast: on that topic: why not upgrade to raring but stick to quantal? | 19:16 |
| contrast | I've been sticking with Quantal, due to the fact that 1) Unlike Raring, it will be supported until the next LTS comes out, and 2) I assumed new releases of KDE would be backported to it, as has generally been the case in the past. So now it looks like if I want 4.11, I need to update to Raring, and then update to Saucy in two months (since Raring will reach end-of-life in January). | 19:17 |
| yofel | hm | 19:17 |
| contrast | Sorry for the long rant -- I recognize you guys are somewhat under-staffed, and I really appreciate all the hard work you all do. :-) I'm just a bit frustrated. | 19:18 |
| yofel | contrast: *generating* the packages is actually not much work, so we can do that. The harder part would be finding someone to test them. | 19:19 |
| * contrast volunteers. | 19:19 | |
| contrast | What all would go into that, specifically? | 19:20 |
| yofel | well, mostly just confirming that there's no major regression | 19:22 |
| shadeslayer | contrast: or just go back to precise since that will supported for a good amount of time | 19:22 |
| contrast | shadeslayer: I'd rather not downgrade my 2 systems, plus the other 4 systems (friends'/family members') I provide support for. Plus that would entail backporting every package in my PPA to Precise as well. | 19:24 |
| shadeslayer | which reminds me | 19:25 |
| shadeslayer | I need to find a way to get the latest hplip into precise | 19:25 |
| yofel | why that? | 19:25 |
| shadeslayer | something that was a huge blocker for using my desktop running LTS for my parents | 19:25 |
| shadeslayer | can't detect my printer | 19:25 |
| contrast | yofel: So basically: on a clean install of Quantal -> apt-get dist-upgrade with kubuntu-backports enabled -> check and make sure everything works ok? | 19:27 |
| contrast | speaking of printers, on a completely unrelated note, i was shocked to see that lexmark is providing properly packaged linux drivers on their website now. | 19:28 |
| yofel | contrast: almost, once everything is built on http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ninjas-status/build_status_4.11.0_quantal.html, install it and confirm it works | 19:28 |
| contrast | yofel: so install and test *everything* that's in that ppa? (i don't mind doing that at all if that's what it will take to get 4.11 on quantal, just want to make sure i'm understanding you correctly. :) ) | 19:31 |
| shadeslayer | contrast: usually it's just a matter of checking if kubuntu-full installs without file conflicts | 19:34 |
| shadeslayer | and then running some of your choice apps from kubuntu-full :) | 19:34 |
| yofel | uh no, just a general check. Testing all of kde would take quite a while. It's usually checking the desktop in general, | 19:34 |
| contrast | ahh ok. that's a relief then. :D | 19:35 |
| contrast | So if 4.11.0 gets backported to Quantal, will it be safe to assume that its bugfix releases will as well? | 19:37 |
| yofel | as long as someone can be found to test them | 19:37 |
| contrast | Awesome... So could I be added to a contact list for that or something, in case I don't just happen to show up in IRC on release day? :P | 19:39 |
| yofel | hm, we don't really have that. Just show up around release day: http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.11_Release_Schedule | 19:40 |
| contrast | Will do. | 19:40 |
| contrast | yofel: Is there an ETA for those Quantal builds? Not trying to rush you or anything, just wondering if I should stop refreshing the page every 5 minutes. :P | 20:25 |
| yofel | contrast: I'm uploading them now, but this will take a few hours until it's built | 20:26 |
| contrast | Oh ok. Thanks. | 20:28 |
| yofel | now they're starting to show up | 20:37 |
| Noskcaj | Do you guys want me to look at syncing a few of the KTP packages? smartboyhw made a heap of ubuntu deltas that might not be needed | 20:47 |
| Riddell | Noskcaj: go for it | 21:39 |
| Noskcaj | Riddell, i don't have time today to file a bug, but ktp-send-file should be synced. The only changes are in the control file, which is just debian having higher package version requirements | 22:01 |
| Noskcaj | And ktp-text-ui can be synced, it adds many new features and the ubuntu delta was just an upload | 22:06 |
| contrast | Noskcaj: Are you planning to build those KTP packages for Quantal? I'd be happy to test them if needed. | 22:35 |
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