[00:37] !testers | 4.11 in raring [00:37] 4.11 in raring: Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, smartboyhw, Quintasan, lordievader, shrini, tester56 for information. [01:48] bah, copy package doesn't want to work http://paste.kde.org/p13184721/ [01:48] dantti_laptop: should printer setup pick the driver automatically? [02:01] damnit, needs --ppa-name added else it breaks, humph [02:10] 4.11 copied to raring backports PPA [02:11] yofel: what's in that digikam in ninjas? it's digikam 3.2 while backports has 3.3 so it didn't copy [02:12] * Riddell snoozes [05:55] shadeslayer: oh shadeslayer! [05:56] hi [07:47] !testers | 4.11 for raring in kubuntu-ppa/backports [07:47] 4.11 for raring in kubuntu-ppa/backports: Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, smartboyhw, Quintasan, lordievader, shrini, tester56 for information. [07:47] backports? I'm testing 4.11 for precise from ninjas [07:48] that's good too, precise is still in ninjas [07:48] ack [07:48] I've not tested that at all [07:48] waiting for apt to finish [07:49] Riddell: Quantal: [07:49] I'm not interested in Quantal - jriddell [07:49] Drop Quantal and only support Raring / Precise then? This needs to be properly communicated via kubuntu.org IMHO [07:56] that's my opinion [07:56] and I'm sticking to it :) [07:57] yes, but I'm not particularly keen on supporting Quantal as well :P [07:57] so we should put an announcement saying "Switch to Precise / Raring " [07:58] yep [08:46] yofel: see http://paste.kde.org/p6045c9d5/ [08:46] kwin being removed is not good :P [08:47] also probably why kubuntu-lts-backport doesn't work maybe [08:47] Riddell, hows the 4.11 for raring (64)? [08:50] uhh [08:50] [15223.293944] nepomukservices[1545]: segfault at 0 ip (null) sp 00007fffd70a39a8 error 14 in nepomukservicestub (deleted)[400000+7000] [08:50] on 12.04 [09:02] Riddell: precise works for me, but I would not make it public yet [09:02] we need to sort the HWE stack [09:22] soee: needing testing in kubuntu-ppa/backports [09:33] time to upgrade KDE [09:34] Tm_T: what to? [09:34] I assume 4.11 is what I'm getting from repos [09:34] yup [09:34] from ninjas it seems === ghostcube_ is now known as ghostcube [09:35] Tm_T: I'd recommend removing ninjas on production systems :P [09:36] it's just for testing [09:36] and building [09:36] oh, I often test [09:36] Tm_T: hang on, this is raring? [09:36] hmm, yes [09:36] Tm_T: please test from backports [09:36] kubuntu-ppa/backports [09:36] hmm, I wonder why it chooses ninjas instead of backports [09:37] let's kick it a bit [09:37] they're the same packages, just copied over, but backports needs that final test before announce [09:38] downloading from backports currently [09:38] not proposing any packages being removed or held back [09:40] no new packages to install either, which is understandable as I'm already in .11 series (beta/rc) [10:31] shadeslayer: kubuntu-lts-backport doesn't really work, but on my notebook 4.11 ran fine with mesa8 [10:32] Riddell: probably the old digikam rebuild, please make sure 4.11 in backports has a digikam build to go along with it [10:32] otherwise the kipi-plugins don't work [10:35] ah, kipi, that old tricksy library, I always imagine it as a library with an organutang like in discworld [10:35] yofel: do you have instructions on how to install the HWE stack without removing kwin? [10:35] shadeslayer: not yet [10:36] okay [10:38] Riddell: oh, and copy amarok from the beta ppa, 2.7.1 is unusable with 4.11 unless patched [10:38] good point [10:41] Riddell, fonts-lyx libopencolorio1 libphononexperimental4 libyaml-cpp0.3 [10:42] those are some new packages to be installed when upgrading ? [10:44] soee: seems fine [10:54] shadeslayer: this seems to work [10:54] # apt-get install xserver-xorg-lts-raring libgl1-mesa-glx-lts-raring libglapi-mesa-lts-raring libgles2-mesa-lts-raring libegl1-mesa-lts-raring [10:56] sadly doing the same by metapackage doesn't seem to work :S [11:07] 4.11 on raring, all installs nicely [11:11] yofel: yeah that looks good [11:12] Bug 1212204 [11:12] bug 1212204 in Kubuntu PPA "Can't upgrade to KDE 4.11" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1212204 [11:12] yofel: we can just add those commands to the release announcement [11:13] yeah, could you remove kubuntu-lts-backport from kubuntu-meta then please? [11:13] if it doesn't work it's just confusing [11:13] sure [11:13] that's from kubuntu-meta right? [11:14] kubuntu-meta in ninjas [11:19] !find germinate.pm saucy [11:19] File germinate.pm found in germinate [11:19] ah, not a separate dh package [11:19] why germinate? [11:20] you can't use germinate here [11:20] kubuntu-meta runs dh clean --with germinate [11:20] ah [11:21] * yofel didn't notice ^^ [11:24] uploaded [11:24] * shadeslayer is super hungry now [11:24] yofel: btw I found something awesomer than the ODROID U2 [11:24] yofel: http://cubieboard.org/ [11:24] has a SATA port [11:26] and here's another one http://www.marsboard.com/ [11:28] Good evening shadeslayer [11:28] evening smartboyhw [11:28] yofel, Riddell you still haven't replied to the mail yet:P [11:28] So, saucy now in archive right? [11:28] I mean, 4.11.0 [11:28] yes === smartboyhw changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly Computing | https://trello.com/kubuntu | https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas 4.11.0 saucy/archive raring/ninjas | 13.10 Alpha 2 released | 13.10 milestoned bugs tagged Kubuntu http://goo.gl/vHRjj | [11:29] :O [11:29] Free shipping [11:29] :OO [11:30] shadeslayer, what? [11:30] http://www.hotmcu.com/marsboard-a10-dev-board-p-59.html?cPath=33 [11:30] Mars Board [11:30] shadeslayer, wow [11:31] * smartboyhw only wants a Ultrabook over $1500 USD [11:31] :P [11:31] heh [11:31] kernel panic, fun [11:32] yofel, oh:( [11:32] smartboyhw: ultrabooks are overrated [11:32] get a thinkpad [11:32] get a T440 whe it comes out [11:32] shadeslayer, how much does it cost? And what are the specs？ [11:32] no idea on cost [11:32] google around [11:32] shadeslayer: *drool* [11:33] there's also the X240 [11:33] * smartboyhw wonders why Quintasan suddenly has so many blog posts on Planet Ubuntu... [11:33] which was released recently [11:33] what [11:33] Quintasan, look at planet.ubuntu.com [11:33] yofel: I'd buy it if I could only think of a proper use for it xD [11:33] You have posts from after UDS-P it seems [11:33] :o [11:33] true :D [11:33] ... [11:33] sure you could host owncloud, but I also want to host mykolab [11:34] What I want is a 1TB server to mirror things:p [11:34] Well, looks like editing visibility also causes the bot to pickup the posts as new ones [11:34] God damn it [11:34] and for that I need a very good internet connection :P [11:34] * smartboyhw just fixed his wifi to become faster [11:34] lol no [11:34] Don't get a damn T440 [11:34] why not? [11:34] At least it doesn't lag while using IRC + Firefox + sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [11:34] fwiw it's not even out yet [11:34] Did you even look at the keyboard? [11:34] It's not out yet [11:35] is it? [11:35] * smartboyhw does not care about design [11:35] If it's going to have the same shitty keyboard as T430 which I have [11:35] Then srsly [11:35] * smartboyhw cares only about spec [11:35] also, I use a external keyboard and mouse [11:35] !language | Quintasan [11:35] Quintasan: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family-friendly, polite, and professional. [11:35] ：P [11:35] ololololo [11:35] yofel: http://www.hotmcu.com/marsboard-a20-dev-board-p-60.html [11:36] smartboyhw: you don't have to be that sensitive... [11:36] yofel, because I'm tired of hearing all these words at school... [11:36] *shrug* [11:36] * yofel grew up hearing them all the time [11:36] Anyways... [11:37] Well, I was going apeshit with that Print Screen key [11:37] Same as agateau [11:37] heh [11:37] yeah you can xmodmap that away [11:37] Some bloody idiot thought it's a good idea to place the Print Screen key where Menu key was supposed to be. [11:37] Not under Windows :D [11:37] and anyway I use a external TVS Gold keyboard === ghostcube_ is now known as ghostcube [11:37] shadeslayer, you mean the Lenovo ThinkPad right? [11:37] cheapest ( and the awesomest ) mechanical keyboard money can buy [11:37] with blue cherry switches [11:38] I'd rather get an older model now that I think about it. [11:38] The one with rotating screen from X series [11:38] I went to try the soft detachable keyboard of Microsoft Surface RT today, VERY TERRIBLE. [11:38] http:/blog.laptopmag.com/thinkpad-type-off-is-lenovos-new-island-style-keyboard-better-or-worse [11:38] smartboyhw: yes [11:38] ok, that PrtSc is WTF [11:38] brb [11:39] although on my edge it's at the same place [11:39] I just never press it [11:39] Nice keyboard:P [11:39] Ignore my art sense though plz, I never did good at art [11:41] Wow, build status on raring 4.11.0 looks great [11:41] Has it migrated yet? [11:41] yep [11:42] Hmm, is Precise there? [11:42] Yep [11:42] :P [11:42] in ninjas [11:42] Hmm, looks clean too [11:42] yofel: It's like [11:42] :O [11:43] "I DON'T USE THIS KEY SO LET'S GET RID OF IT [11:43] shadeslayer, raring in beta or backports ppa? [11:43] indeed [11:43] AND PLACE PRINT SCREEN SINCE IT ALSO DOESNT DO ANYTHING [11:43] Backports? [11:43] backports [11:43] * shadeslayer realllllly wants that board === smartboyhw changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly Computing | https://trello.com/kubuntu | https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas 4.11.0 saucy/archive raring/backports precise/ninjas| 13.10 Alpha 2 released | 13.10 milestoned bugs tagged Kubuntu http://goo.gl/vHRjj | [11:43] but no justification to buy it [11:43] well, it makes using sysrq less of an acrobatic stunt :P [11:43] heh [11:44] * shadeslayer has the standard 104 key keyboard [11:44] with the rupee symbol [11:44] * yofel likes his old T510 [11:46] OK, somebody please fix okular in precise:P [11:46] Then we can release it I think [11:46] * smartboyhw needs to take a shower, so don't ask him [11:47] Riddell: all looks good in raring [11:47] installs fine runs fine [11:48] Tm_T, has shadeslayer asked you for some ktp raring QA? [11:49] nvm okular [11:49] * shadeslayer nominates smartboyhw to do the paperwork for Raring SRU [11:49] that's fine [11:49] shadeslayer, eh, let me take the shower first plz... [11:49] sure [11:50] * yofel edits the hook so that ends up in not-installed [11:50] yofel, so probably we can migrate it to backports ppa [11:51] I mean, 4.11.0 precise [11:51] smartboyhw: not that I know [11:53] smartboyhw: no [11:53] smartboyhw: you can move it once kubuntu-meta finished updating, you've verified that it runs, that the kipi-plugins work fine and that amarok is ok [11:54] please don't push untested software onto users [11:55] * yofel had 3 full system lockups in the last half hour [11:55] I think 3.11 and lxc don't like each other [12:03] shadeslayer: btw, if you ever need to comment out a package in a control file with sed: [12:03] sed -e '/^Package: active-documentviewer$/,/^$/ s.^.#.' [12:03] yes I saw that [12:03] care to explain? [12:03] -> sed newb [12:04] from "^Package: active-documentviewer$", to "^$" (empty line), do s.^.#. (where the regular / is replaced by .) [12:08] o_O [12:08] $ denotes end of line? [12:09] yes [12:09] I know ^ denotes begins with [12:09] aha cool [12:09] makes sense to me [12:11] * shadeslayer giggles at http://www.wandboard.org/ [12:12] heh [12:14] yofel, I will probably package amarok once it's tagged (2.8.0) [12:16] * smartboyhw goes and does the paperwork for ktp [12:17] sure, go ahead [12:17] shadeslayer, where does your packages reside? [12:17] I mean, ktp raring [12:17] And can somebody nominate the release for raring... [12:17] Bug 1208837 [12:18] bug 1208837 in meta-kde-telepathy (Ubuntu) "Please update meta-kde-telepathy to 0.6.3" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1208837 [12:18] https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/nightly [12:18] can do [12:18] done [12:19] yofel, beat shadeslayer :P [12:19] shadeslayer, you failed:P [12:19] *shrug* [12:20] * shadeslayer needs to update his Qt patch [12:21] shadeslayer, yofel um in the SRU bug template there is a "Test Case" section, what to write? [12:21] what do you think it should contain? [12:21] so this is one of the things I would probably mention tomorrow [12:21] filing SRU paperwork, have you ever done it? [12:22] shadeslayer, once [12:22] Er, twice actually [12:22] But this one contains several bugs:P [12:22] okay, from now on I will forward all SRU paperwork to you :> [12:22] shadeslayer, tomorrow? [12:23] smartboyhw: in the email reply [12:23] shadeslayer, oh great:) [12:23] I will devote some time tomorrow to write a reply since I have a holiday tomorrow [12:26] rain \o/ [12:26] the awesome kind [12:26] shadeslayer, anyways, how to write the [Test case] part? That's the only part I don't know what to write on. [12:26] so heavy the street will soon turn into a boat [12:26] erm, s/boat/river/ [12:27] would be weird if roads started turning into boats [12:27] smartboyhw: what do you think should be in there? [12:27] shadeslayer, instructions on how to run it and how to verify the bugs fixed (but there's 7) [12:28] nope, this is ubuntu specific, try again [12:28] shadeslayer, .......... [12:28] whee the rain is coming inside my room, and the door is like 3 feet away [12:29] shadeslayer, tell people to report bugs when there's a regression? [12:29] * smartboyhw is running out of "Kubuntu-specific" SRU testcases thinking [12:30] go on, what kind of regressions are we looking for? [12:30] shadeslayer, crashes [12:30] not really [12:30] packaging issues [12:30] file conflicts [12:30] shadeslayer, ah, that. [12:30] packages being uninstallable [12:31] those are ubuntu specific things, if KTP crashes it's not our fault ( unless caused by some random patch we threw in ) [12:31] we can shout at d_ed if KTP crashes [12:31] also gives a bad rep for future SRU's :P [12:33] * smartboyhw asks shadeslayer to have a look at Bug #1208837 now and see if it is correct.. [12:33] bug 1208837 in meta-kde-telepathy (Ubuntu) "Please update meta-kde-telepathy to 0.6.3" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1208837 [12:34] 'unpackaging' ? [12:34] shadeslayer, damn, unpacking:P [12:34] ;) [12:34] looks good to me [12:34] * smartboyhw subscribes ubuntu-sru [12:35] damnit gitorious is down :/ [12:35] shadeslayer, oh:( [12:39] uhm my laptop freezed during upgrade but im not sure it it is related to KDE or that i was using Chrome during upgrade [12:40] soee, uh oh... [12:40] now sudo dpkg --configure -a started [12:40] Yeah [12:40] And? [12:42] problems occured when processing kexi and krita :) [12:43] Uh oh [12:43] ..... [12:43] :( [12:43] That will probably be my fault, :( [12:43] kexi : Wymaga: calligra-libs (= 1:2.7.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu13.04~ppa2) ale 1:2.6.3-0ubuntu1 jest zainstalowany [12:43] krita : Wymaga: calligra-libs (= 1:2.7.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu13.04~ppa2) ale 1:2.6.3-0ubuntu1 jest zainstalowany [12:44] soee, eh!? [12:44] soee, run sudo apt-get update again? [12:44] shadeslayer: huh, ktp crashes? [12:44] apt-get -f install [12:44] d_ed: nothing :) [12:44] d_ed: <3 [12:45] oh ok [12:45] don't worry me like that :) [12:45] smartboyhw, looks like fixed [12:45] soee, phew:) [12:45] death by ktp crash? surely that'll be a first :P [12:45] shadeslayer, good jk [12:46] d_ed gets a shock, lol [12:46] d_ed, so did you managed to discuss with my mentor on the project? [12:53] smartboyhw: so, do you know what -v does when you pass it to debuild [12:53] without looking at the man page :P [12:53] shadeslayer, specify the version [12:54] specify the version for what [12:54] * smartboyhw saw it before in a wiki yesterday for dpkg-buildpackage, so probably it will be that... [12:54] shadeslayer, for the generated .deb files? [12:54] nope [12:54] shadeslayer, ah? Source packages? Debian ABIs? [12:55] nope & nope [12:55] ....... [12:55] look at the man page now [12:57] ^^ [12:57] shadeslayer, man dpkg-buildpackage just gives me -vversion... [12:57] Probably version in changelog??? [12:57] didn't I say debuild? [12:57] oh wait [12:58] yeah so [12:58] what does it do :? [12:58] :> [12:59] we should have asked this during the next interview :P [12:59] but okay [12:59] this is so seldomly used that he would've hardly learned about it somewhere else [13:00] well, it's suppsoedly used in SRU's [13:00] uh, it's supposed to be used extensively in SRU's [13:00] * yofel never did SRU's that needed that [13:00] I only use it for merges [13:01] I learnt it after ScottK poked me to use it for SRU's [13:01] smartboyhw: so, what's the effect? [13:01] this discussion feels like we're playing taboo ^^ [13:02] hehe [13:02] damnit [13:02] ScottK: can you reject call-ui with the ppa1 version [13:04] smartboyhw: feel free to take your time btw [13:05] you don't have to answer straight away [13:08] can someone QA kscreen plz [13:08] preferably on actual HW [13:10] * Riddell out for a couple of hours [13:10] cya [13:11] * shadeslayer is almost done for the day as well [13:12] kscreen what ver on what series from where? [13:13] raring ofcourse :P [13:13] 1.0.1 I think [13:13] it's already in proposed [13:13] ah ok [13:14] what's up with ~ubuntu13.04.1 in SRU's btw? [13:14] new policy? [13:15] well, I use it to make sure upgrades from raring to saucy work fine when the packages in saucy have the same version, though I could also use Xubuntu0.1 [13:17] what do you do when you need to fix something? [13:17] 13.04.2? [13:17] my packages are perfect!!! :P [13:18] but yeah you're right :( [13:18] now I get to upload the entire ktp stack again [13:18] :'( [13:18] usually it's not an issue because you would fix saucy as well, but still. (and I was confused as this was usally the backports versioning) [13:19] true true [13:25] shadeslayer, well, it works in backports so that you don't have to explicitly change the changelog version yourself by editing right? [13:25] Why we have 13.04.1 and 13.04.2!? [13:25] ScottK: please reject all ktp stuff because I am changing the version to Xubuntu0.1 [13:26] shadeslayer, did you see my answer? [13:26] ... [13:27] smartboyhw: what answer? [13:27] shadeslayer, well, it works in backports so that you don't have to explicitly change the changelog version yourself by editing right? [13:27] It's easier I think:) [13:27] is that answer to what -v does? [13:27] shadeslayer, yeah, and by running -v the changelog will not be altered but the package will be using the -v version no, [13:27] nope [13:28] shadeslayer, no? [13:28] Oh gor [13:28] *god [13:28] -vversion [13:28] Causes changelog information from all versions strictly later [13:28] than version to be used. [13:29] Eh? [13:29] * smartboyhw doesn't understand thhat [13:29] funky thing is dpkg-buildpackage -h documents the flag [13:29] -v changes since version . [13:29] does that make more sense? [13:29] shadeslayer, oh [13:30] Ubuntu Edge just passed 10m [13:31] 200000 away from hitting the record [13:31] *shrug* [13:32] shadeslayer: Done [13:32] thx [13:33] running script to fix the version [13:34] yofel: You should also use -v for merges so you get all the Debian changelog entries on the .changes file. [13:34] ScottK: that's what I do, I just don't use it anywhere else [13:35] Ah. OK. [13:35] Yeah, doesn't come up much otherwise. [13:45] I wonder where murthy went [13:45] I don't see him around these days [13:46] shadeslayer, +1 [13:46] What happened to him? [13:48] phew [13:48] ScottK: that should be everything [13:50] * shadeslayer is afk for a bit [13:50] or rather, I'll return tomorrow morning [13:50] cya [13:56] shadeslayer, tmr morning!? [14:04] smartboyhw: yes, I'm tired [14:04] shadeslayer, oh:( [14:04] Good night then:P [14:04] well, too early to sleep :P [14:04] it's only 7:30 PM [14:04] shadeslayer, it's 10:04 PM here:P [14:35] Riddell: normally yes (about printer driver) === zorael is now known as losdolmos === losdolmos is now known as zorael [16:02]