| agliodbs | is it just me, or is ubuntu getting steadily harder to use on laptops? | 00:16 |
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| pleia2 | agliodbs: could you be a bit more specific? :) | 00:51 |
| agliodbs | pleia2: I keep encountering things which used to be easy to do on 10.04, which are now very hard to do on 12.10 | 00:52 |
| agliodbs | pleia2: most of the time, it's because various GUIs have dropped controls I need | 00:52 |
| pleia2 | such as..? | 00:52 |
| agliodbs | pleia2: try to import an OpenVPN profile on 12.10 | 00:53 |
| agliodbs | there was a GUI for that in 10.04 | 00:53 |
| agliodbs | now there's not | 00:53 |
| pleia2 | I thought network manager handled openvpn stuff these days | 00:53 |
| pleia2 | (I still use flat config files myself) | 00:54 |
| agliodbs | pleia2: the new network manager is missing controls which the old one used to have. including the Import button | 00:54 |
| agliodbs | another example | 00:54 |
| pleia2 | have a link to the bug report? | 00:54 |
| pleia2 | would be a good one to follow up on | 00:57 |
| agliodbs | in the old Launcher, I could change the parameters of how programs launched by right-clicking the icons | 00:57 |
| agliodbs | in the new Dash, I can only change it by editing the .desktop files on the command line | 00:57 |
| pleia2 | yeah :\ | 00:57 |
| agliodbs | pleia2: lemme see if anyone has reported it | 00:57 |
| agliodbs | pleia2: it just seems like nobody is doing any UI testing anymore | 00:57 |
| pleia2 | agliodbs: if not, it would be great if you could, losing features is bad and putting them back should be a priority | 00:57 |
| pleia2 | submit a bug that is | 00:57 |
| pleia2 | and UI testing has increased a *ton* these past releases (in addition to a bigger community team, Canonical employs several folks as well) but they only focus on what is useful to them :\ | 00:57 |
| pleia2 | something like missing featutres in openvpn canbe missed, particularly when development is done upstream (like in an app like netweork manager) | 00:57 |
| pleia2 | the dash bug is unfortunate, I guess they just thought that they could do more useful things for every day users with right click than giving the ability to edit the command (which is a somewhat advanced option) | 00:58 |
| * pleia2 actually uses xubuntu though, always has | 00:58 | |
| agliodbs | pleia2: yeah, I just feel like I can't upgrade my father-in-law from 10.04 | 00:59 |
| agliodbs | pleia2: many things have gone from having GUI ways to fix them, to only being able to be fixed on the command line | 00:59 |
| pleia2 | I found in general that things are easier to use, but my needs tend to be really simple or really complex (can't be fixed with a gui anyway) | 00:59 |
| pleia2 | but I'm not by any means a normal person :) | 01:00 |
| pleia2 | well, by some metrics, I do have two eyes and 4 limbs and all | 01:00 |
| agliodbs | heh | 01:00 |
| agliodbs | dammit | 01:00 |
| agliodbs | they changed the login on launchpad | 01:00 |
| agliodbs | I'm gonna have to go through the whole password retrieval thing | 01:00 |
| pleia2 | looks the same to me | 01:01 |
| pleia2 | other services did switch to ubuntu single sign on though | 01:02 |
| agliodbs | pleia2: yeah, if you wanna report a bug, you now need to use your UbuOne account | 01:02 |
| pleia2 | ah, weird | 01:04 |
| agliodbs | pleia2: actually, they've made it completely impossible to create a new bug | 01:05 |
| pleia2 | agliodbs: are you using "ubuntu-bug" ? | 01:05 |
| agliodbs | if you click on "report a bug" in Launchpad, you get redirected to a wiki page | 01:06 |
| pleia2 | shouldn't use the web interface these days, it can't collect system information and reports end up being mostly useless | 01:06 |
| agliodbs | which does NOT include the ability to report bugs | 01:06 |
| pleia2 | ubuntu-bug at the command line is what you want :) | 01:06 |
| agliodbs | pleia2: no good, because I'd have to spend time carefully checking over what data it was sending | 01:07 |
| agliodbs | required to by client agreements | 01:07 |
| agliodbs | and system information isn't necessary to report *this* bug | 01:07 |
| pleia2 | ah :\ | 01:08 |
| agliodbs | I'm giving up. Ubuntu has successfully thrown enough obstacles in my way that it's not worth the effort to report a bug | 01:08 |
| agliodbs | ... which explains why nobody else reported this bug, either | 01:08 |
| pleia2 | ubuntu-bug was supposed to make things easier :( | 01:09 |
| agliodbs | yeah, fail | 01:10 |
| agliodbs | pleia2: this is yet another example of what I'm talking about | 01:10 |
| pleia2 | I see | 01:10 |
| agliodbs | Ubuntu, overall, is harder to use than it was 2 years ago | 01:10 |
| agliodbs | pleia2: incidentally, when I type "ubuntu-bug" in dash, nothing comes up | 01:12 |
| pleia2 | you run it from the command line | 01:12 |
| pleia2 | I thought the link that launchpad gives for reporting bugs in ubuntu explained all of this | 01:13 |
| agliodbs | pleia2: it tells me to type it into Dash | 01:13 |
| pleia2 | ah (again, don't use Unity here :)) | 01:13 |
| agliodbs | pleia2: and might I point out the irony of requiring users to run a commandline program to report a bug? | 01:13 |
| pleia2 | I'm not sure why it's not working | 01:14 |
| pleia2 | clearly we need a bug for the bug tool not launching :D | 01:14 |
| agliodbs | yeah, catch-22 | 01:15 |
| === josh__ is now known as agliodbs | ||
| === josh__ is now known as agliodbs | ||
| agliodbs | all: https://t.co/2ENiHOph2s | 17:05 |
| darthrobot | Title: [Error reading title] | 17:05 |
| agliodbs | discuss | 17:05 |
| bkerensa | pleia2: apparently atul jha from the community is coming to SF this weekend too | 17:36 |
| bkerensa | :) | 17:36 |
| === josh__ is now known as agliodbs | ||
| pleia2 | bkerensa: yeah, he's been telling me for months ;) | 18:33 |
| pleia2 | (he works on openstack too these days) | 18:33 |
| bkerensa | pleia2: yeah :D | 18:49 |
| === mikestewart is now known as ms|afk | ||
| bkerensa | pleia2: http://signup.communitysysadmins.org/ | 23:02 |
| darthrobot | Title: [COMMUNITYSYSADMINS.ORG - connecting sysadmins with organizations] | 23:02 |
| bkerensa | :D | 23:02 |
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