[12:58] <Mez> Any bugcontrol members here ?
[13:09] <rbasak> !anyone | Mez
[13:09] <ubot2`> Mez: A high percentage of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..." Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? See also !details, !gq, and !poll.
[13:09] <Mez> rbasak: cheers :) Never mind - I got it sorted anyway :)
[17:10] <hggdh> shalom01
[17:11] <TheLordOfTime> hggdh, ?
[17:11] <TheLordOfTime> (also hi)
[18:20] <hggdh> TheLordOfTime: trying to run a program in the wrong window
[18:20] <hggdh> :-)
[22:07] <balloons> hggdh, TheLordOfTime  thoughts? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1212356
[22:07] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1212356 in Ubuntu "Ubuntu is hostile to bugs from regular users" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[22:07] <balloons> I plan to edit the page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs, but I don't want to do so in the dark of the bugsquad.
[22:11] <micahg> balloons: the reason that was done is a large portion of bugs were coming in without enough information to process
[22:11] <micahg> balloons: reading a wiki page isn't a high cost to submit a bug
[22:14] <balloons> micahg, I get the reasons, and I agree having the page isn't a high cost. We can always improve the language and flow of the page, and thus I wanted to open it up to get your thoughts
[22:14] <micahg> ah, ok
[22:15] <balloons> I'm constantly doing the same on our wiki.. trying to not scare anyone off by having too technical descriptions up front, etc :-)
[22:39] <TheLordOfTime> balloons, *looks now*
[22:41] <TheLordOfTime> balloons, i agree with micahg on his assessment, but I also see a flaw in how ubuntu-bug operates - for crash bugs it requires or rather suggests the full use of a GUI browser when reporting things such as crash bugs.  Also with other bug issues as well, I see things like this, mainly with Debian BTS people going insane trying to loop their heads around the Launchpad BTS
[22:41] <TheLordOfTime> balloons, but as it stands i think we could revise the ReportingABug stuff to some extent, but generally speaking i don't agree with the bug as is filed
[22:42] <TheLordOfTime> micahg, can Launchpad set a temporary forced-silence from a registered user on bugs?
[22:42] <TheLordOfTime> the guy in question who filed that bug is acting exceptionally hostile towards commenters
[22:42] <micahg> TheLordOfTime: the account can be locked if the user isn't behaving
[22:43] <TheLordOfTime> ah i misread his statements
[22:43] <TheLordOfTime> stupid small font
[22:43]  * TheLordOfTime hates his netbook
[22:44] <micahg> TheLordOfTime: yeah, looks like he's being ok now
[22:44] <balloons> his title is strong eh?
[22:44] <TheLordOfTime> balloons, i think the title could be revised to something like  "Ubuntu Bug Filing is not extremely user-friendly."
[22:45] <TheLordOfTime> but again I'm not a dev and I started with Ubuntu so i find the bug filing system to be sufficient
[22:45] <TheLordOfTime> :P
[22:45] <TheLordOfTime> whereas debian people find it to be insane
[22:45] <balloons> alright, feel free to pm me or leave comments here or email. I'm going to try tackling the page tomorrow and see if I can see if anything can be improved
[22:46] <balloons> I changed the bug title
[22:46] <TheLordOfTime> balloons, ack.
[22:46] <balloons> dinner time.. thanks to you all for the thoughts
[22:46] <balloons> we'll chat again once I've made some edits I'm sure ;-)
[22:47] <TheLordOfTime> i'm going to go zombie killing on an xbox, because I'm too frustrated with my laptop to do much today
[23:44] <phillw> Hi, could a bug admin please put https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcmanfm/+bug/738305 out of its misery as support has ceased for 11.04, thanks :)
[23:44] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 738305 in pcmanfm (Ubuntu) "PCManFM Crashed When Accessing a Removable Drive" [Medium,In progress]
[23:46] <jtaylor> phillw: is it fixed?
[23:47] <jtaylor> phillw: you yourself marked it in progress, so you should be able to close it
[23:48] <phillw> Since 0.9, to the current 1.1 there has been many bugs fixed. I've not seen it repeated. jtaylor all I can do is mark it as invalid. Is that the correct answer to close it?
[23:49] <phillw> I thought the grim reaper of the bug bot quietly murdered inactive bugs :P
[23:53] <phillw> jtaylor: I assume that marking invalid with comment https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#Release_has_reached_EOL is the correct way to do this manually?