[07:33] <apw> zequence, yo .. about ?
[08:12] <xequence> apw: yep
[08:12] <apw> xequence, i thought you were on holiday
[08:12] <apw> and ... what happened to your z
[08:13] <xequence> apw: I'm in Switzerland, yes. More like a holiday from my holiday
[08:13] <xequence> apw: I left the z at my server, and cant login to it 
[08:13] <apw> xequence, hehe ... well as you are on holiday i am doing the rebases for Q and R for lowlatency for you
[08:13] <apw> xequence, ... but it might make sense if you added me to your ubuntu-studio git repo so i can push the result for you
[08:14] <xequence> apw: oh, thanks. Yeah, sure. 
[08:15] <apw> xequence, i am awhitcroft on github
[08:15] <xequence> apw: Yep
[08:20] <xequence> apw: Think I found the right buttons to let you push and pull
[08:21] <apw> xequence, we shall see shortly thanks
[08:31] <infinity> xequence: Hey, want to add adconrad as a member to that too, just in case? :P
[08:36] <xequence> infinity: Sure. Just a sec
[08:38] <xequence> infinity: Should be done
[08:40] <infinity> xequence: Looks good, thanks.
[08:53] <jk-> hey infinity 
[09:10] <stgraber> apw: hey, do you have a link to your sbuild sources.list magic script?
[09:11] <stgraber> apw: I remember infinity mentioning it a couple of times and I had a paste.ubuntu.com link for it but it doesn't work anymore (DB was reset)
[09:12] <apw> stgraber, it is in the kteam-tools repo, in the apt-pocket directory ... git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/kteam-tools
[09:12] <apw> stgraber, that is also on gitweb on kernel.ubuntu.com if you want to avoid a clone
[09:13] <apw> stgraber, heh ... so there is a pretty comprehensive readme in there as well
[09:13] <apw> seems to work pretty well for me,  sbuild --arch amd64 -c saucy-proposed+main <thing>.dsc stylee
[09:33] <stgraber> apw: cool, thanks
[09:35] <apw> stgraber, if you are on anything newer than P then things are simpler to undo as well 
[10:17] <jodh> apw, smb: now that 3.11 is out of proposed, we're seeing different errors (kernel BUGs) wrt the nested kvm issue. See latest details on bug 1208455.
[10:17] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1208455 in linux (Ubuntu Saucy) "general protection fault running apt-get inside double nested kvm VM" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1208455
[10:18] <apw> jodh, you are really trying to hurt yourself arn't you
[10:19] <jodh> apw,smb: I'm going to try running everything locally for now and will report back but could you guys take a look at this again?
[10:19] <jodh> apw: :)
[10:19] <smb> apw, jodh Can try to reproduce though 
[10:20] <smb> jodh, Have you documented clearly what steps you run _in_ the bug report
[10:20] <smb> ?
[10:20] <apw> jodh, so to confirm this is 3.11 in all three cases or somethign else, and it is the host who is blowing chunks
[10:20] <jodh> smb: yes - the latest comments show that it happens running bin/prepare-testbed
[10:21] <jodh> apw: well, I can't as this is via canonistack so I don't know what kernel the host is actually running.
[10:22] <apw> jodh, and which kernel croaks
[10:22] <apw> jodh, so ... waht we need is a canonistack recipe, if you can't put that in the bug, email it to smb and i
[10:22] <apw> and me
[10:23]  * smb needs to find out whether his credentials still work and if he got them
[10:23] <jodh> apw: the kernel running within the kvm instance that is spun up by prepare-testbed (ie the first kvm created on top of the (possibly kvm) canonistack instance I'm given by euca-run-instances).
[10:24] <jodh> apw: recipe? You mean the steps I took to create the canonistack instance?
[10:24] <apw> jodh, yeah so ... that is gobblydeegook.  we are dumb kernel people here, who are scared of userspace apps.  a nice "cut-n-paste these 7 commands and watch the fireworks"
[10:25] <smb> jodh, Yes, so we can follow that as cloesely as possible
[10:25] <jodh> apw: ok, give me a couple of mins...
[10:25] <apw> we really are clueless about most things, including canonistack :)
[10:25] <apw> though i have used it so i do have creds at least
[10:26] <smb> Well we got machines able to run kvm... so why would we :)
[10:31] <smb> apw, On unrelated note (before I forget after the context switch): what am I supposed to do with Xen-4.3. All but the xen-api/xcp related package which have dependencies compile ok with the changes. blktap, xen-api-libs ad xen-api do not but due to not being compilable at all anymore in saucy. I can change my xen package to not include blktap which may drop some functionality but then we have not shipped before any devel libs that would all
[10:31] <smb> ow to compile against anything there...
[10:32] <smb> all + ow -> allow
[10:36] <smb> Maybe a question for infinity (if  awake or when woken)
[10:39] <apw> yeah i think that is beyond my current knowledge.  we are a bit stuck if xen-api is unhappy i know it stayed unhappy for a while last time
[11:36] <stgraber> apw: hey, any hope of getting my small kernel patch reviewed in the near future? ;)
[11:36] <stgraber> apw: https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/4/24/518
[12:06] <apw> stgraber, ok what we should do is get you to resend it, to the same people, and add me to the CC:, with [RESEND] on the subject line (include the Ack from serge as well).  then people are reminded and i can review it too, which it looks ok to me
[12:07] <apw> and i can say "hmmm this has been hanging about for a long time" etc
[12:07] <apw> as it is from 4 months ago
[12:13] <apw> stgraber, looking at the patch abstractly i wonder if it might make sense to make it like a prefix, so like %hp was the pid in that space so we could use only one new letter for any number of 'not the one inside the container, but the one outside the container'
[12:13] <apw> i asume pids have the same issue
[12:14] <apw> i mean uids
[12:29]  * henrix -> lunch
[13:13]  * smb notes to jodh that he has not received any notes on setting up a canonistack instance, yet
[14:37] <jodh> smb: I've put step-by-step instructions on bug 1208455.
[14:37] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1208455 in linux (Ubuntu Saucy) "general protection fault running apt-get inside double nested kvm VM" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1208455
[14:38] <smb> jodh, How convenient that this is a bug I am not subscribed to, yet. :-P
[14:40] <smb> Done now
[14:40] <smb> Probably should have done before
[15:01] <thariman> Hi how do I file a bug on Microsoft Sorface Pro wifi does not work ?
[15:03] <thariman> does running ubuntu-bug linux sufficient ?
[15:08] <xequence> infinity: Is it too loate so SRU the raring lowlatency to the lTS?
[15:38] <smb> jodh, So I followed your instructions and seem to have no space left on device on /...
[15:39] <jodh> smb: ok. In which case, "rm -rf /tmp/adt", create a directory in /mnt that user ubuntu can write to (say /mnt/adt) to and then "echo BASEDIR=/mnt/adt > ~/.adtrc".
[15:40] <jodh> smb: autopkgtest should then use /mnt which has lots of space on medium guests.
[15:41] <smb> jodh, is that what *you* do as well?
[15:42] <jodh> smb: I think something has changed recently in adt. It's rather difficult to document every single step and work-around I've had to use to get this far. sorry :(
[15:44] <smb> jodh, Just makes it a bit hard to get the same experience... :/
[16:14] <rtg> apw, have you done a saucy live install lately ?
[16:15] <apw> rtg, lately, not in the last two weeks no, i did one just before sprint
[16:15] <apw> rtg, and i did a server install like yesterday on armhf ...
[16:15] <apw> rtg, if it would be useful i can do a VM one now
[16:15] <rtg> apw, I checked that I wanted updates installed from the net during installtion, but on first boot there were like 100 packages that needed updating.
[16:16] <apw> rtg, that checkbox is "download updates while installing"
[16:16] <apw> it doesn't install them i don't believe
[16:16] <rtg> apw, just caches them ?
[16:16] <apw> yeah i think that is right ... i seem to remember being caught out by the same
[16:17] <apw> when discussing how a kernel in -updates would avoid something something
[16:17] <rtg> huh, I'm not convinced of the usefulness of that "feature"
[16:17] <apw> no me either
[16:18] <rtg> apw, though one could argue that if the live CD kernel booted, then you'd at least want that one installed.
[16:18] <apw> heh yeah you always want the first one
[16:30] <arges> smb: https://merges.ubuntu.com/libv/libvirt/REPORT
[16:37] <rtg> apw, we're not building an alternate install for saucy anymore, right ?
[16:38] <apw> we still build alternates yes, d-i images
[16:39] <rtg> apw, where do they live on cdimage.ubuntu.com ? looks like we're only doing server and live
[16:39] <apw> is not the server image the alternate installer ?
[16:40] <rtg> apw, the alternate used to include desktop whereas the server does not
[16:40] <apw> oh then ... no :)
[16:40] <rtg> not that I'm really caring. just curious
[16:41] <smb> Yeah I think that got dropped. Now that the desktop supports LVM... 
[16:44] <infinity> zequence: Almost certainly too late to figure out what that would mean and how we'd do it, yeah.
[16:44] <infinity> rtg: No desktop alternates, but you can install desktop fine from a d-i netboot or a server CD (just that you have to hit the interwebs for the packages).
[16:45] <rtg> infinity, my get dailies script was complaining about alternates no longer existing, which is what caught my attention
[16:46] <smb> infinity, Ni, err I mean Xen MRE, maybe, please?
[16:46] <infinity> rtg: Ahh.  We dropped them in Q, I think, your script's been out of date for a while. ;)
[16:46] <rtg> infinity, could be....
[16:47] <infinity> smb: Did you get someone to sponsor the uploads?
[16:47] <smb> infinity, No, I am trying to get you to
[16:48] <smb> infinity, apw Always runs faster than lightning when I mention those three letters
[16:48] <infinity> Heh.
[16:50] <ogra_> infinity, what are you doing here !
[16:51] <ogra_> off to bed with you !
[16:51] <infinity> ogra_: I had a meeting this morning.  Blame ogasawara.
[16:51] <ogra_> oh, evil girl !
[16:52] <ogasawara> Muahahah :)
[16:52] <ogra_> :)
[16:53] <smb> One never knows when infinity sleeps... or which timezone he actually is in... :-P
[16:54] <infinity> smb: Alright, if you can't talk Andy into sponsoring it for you, bug me on the weekend, and I'll see about doing a one-shot sponsor-and-SRU-review.  Just need to set aside some time to do so.
[17:08] <smb> infinity, Usually I would want to avoid bugging people anywhere around weekends, but then I am getting slightly desperate with that, so will try
[17:08] <infinity> smb: Well, I'm happy to do "community" work on weekends occasionally, and Xen currently sits on a bit of a fence there.
[17:09] <infinity> I'm still trying to figure out who I need to convince to make it a first-class citizen in everything we do.
[17:10] <smb> Yeah that might be a difficult task... 
[17:12] <xequence> infinity: I was away for a while, in case you answered. I was asking about SRU of lowlatency for the LTS. Is it too late to do that?
[17:13] <apw> smb, am i expecting to see crash on the merges list again ?
[17:13] <smb> apw, For saucy you might as upstream did a 7.x.x
[17:14] <smb> Actually I had been looking and we had issues with hardening options
[17:14] <apw> infinity, the issue with xen-4.3 is the xapi stuff whcih all went wrong last time we did xen
[17:14] <smb> apw, Oh, I asked him about the other Xen
[17:14] <apw> there is anohter xen
[17:15] <infinity> xequence: 10:44 < infinity> zequence: Almost certainly too late to figure out what that would mean and how we'd do it, yeah.
[17:15] <smb> Yeah the stable MREs for P, Q and R
[17:15] <apw> oh ok
[17:16] <apw> those i don't think i ahve seen anyhow
[17:16] <smb> infinity, So yeah actually for 4.3 there is this xen-api madness. They got rdepends against xen but are not even buildable right now
[17:16] <apw> or if i have i have painfully blmked them
[17:16] <smb> apw, I tried not to "overload" you with xen
[17:16] <apw> heh
[17:25]  * rtg -> lunch
[17:26] <xequence> infinity: Ok. I'd like to do one for 12.04.4 though. How long before would it be good to bother you on that?
[17:30]  * henrix -> EOD (SIGBOOSE)
[17:34] <infinity> xequence: Sometime after next week.
[17:34] <infinity> xequence: Given that you don't actually put lowlatency on your install images (or am I misremembering?), this isn't something that needs to be tied to a point release, really.
[17:35] <infinity> xequence: You could jam an lts-raring kernel in precise and just socialize the idea that it's there for people who want to use it.
[17:35] <infinity> xequence: Assuming you commit to the same cadence as the Canonical SRU people (as you've done for your P/Q/R rebases), I'd be alright with letting that in.
[17:45] <xequence> infinity: We do have lowlatency on the images, so therefore it would be nice to get it on there too. But, I'm not at all against getting it there non timely as well
[17:46] <xequence> Ah, but you meant like using a PPA
[17:46] <infinity> xequence: Right, let's talk about it after .3 is out the door, then.
[17:47] <infinity> xequence: No, no.  I don't mean a PPA.  I mean in the archive proper.
[17:47] <xequence> infinity: cool
[17:47] <xequence> alright
[17:47]  * apw relocates away from his mic
[17:53]  * smb relocates away from work
[18:56]  * apw goes make food
[19:20] <jjohansen> rtg: do we file a support ticket to get tyhicks access to zinc and the kernel build machines (tangerine, ...)?
[19:25] <rtg> jjohansen, yes, he needs to be in the LDAP group
[19:25] <jjohansen> rtg: okay thanks
[19:30] <tyhicks> jjohansen: should I open it or have you already started?
[19:30] <jjohansen> tyhicks: feel free to open it, I have not started it yet
[19:31] <tyhicks> will do
[20:13]  * rtg -> EOD