[05:30] <inetpro> Guten Morgen 
[05:36] <Kilos> hi Squirm et al
[05:40] <Trixar_za> Hey Kilos
[05:41] <Kilos> ohi Trixar_za 
[05:43] <Trixar_za> I need a new Linux home for a bit. Still looking around, but it'll probably be Arch if I take the time to configure it. I have to wait for my next data bundle too. Don't want to waste it. Makes me wish I didn't try ArchBash first :/
[05:44] <Kilos> why you need a new home??
[05:44] <Kilos> want more to do or what
[05:45] <Kilos> isnt arch lotsa work
[05:45] <Trixar_za> My SliTaz install broke and the latest unstable is a mess, which means if I want a proper one I'll probably have to redesign it from scratch and make it binary compatible with SliTaz
[05:45] <Kilos> oh my
[05:45] <Trixar_za> Yeah, I figure I'll need 2-3 days to configure and install Arch to how I would like it to be
[05:46] <Kilos> you shoulda looked at remastersys
[05:46] <Kilos> before you broke it
[05:46] <Kilos> i can run my working os from dvd or reinstall
[05:48] <Kilos> not a problem to break system anymore. can reinstall and update/upgrade with under 10m data
[05:49] <Trixar_za> Isn't remastersys just for Ubuntu?
[05:50] <Kilos> i think it will work on other linux systems especially debian
[05:50] <Kilos> Maaz, google remastersys for linux
[05:50] <Maaz> Kilos: "Remastersys" http://www.remastersys.com/ :: "Remastersys and AVLinux Forum - Index" http://www.remastersys.com/forums/index.php :: "[debian] Testing linux-mint-installer with remastersys builded distro" http://www.remastersys.com/forums/index.php?topic=2921.0 :: "How To Install Remastersys - MyWikidot" http://my-wd-local.wikidot.com/otherapp:how-to-install-
[05:50] <Maaz> remastersys :: "Linux Mint Forums • View topic - Remastersys owner is pissed off ..." h…
[05:51] <Kilos> you got the knowledge get it when you can and make it work for you
[05:59] <Kilos> also look at ttp://www.maketecheasier.com/6-tools-t ... 2010/04/08
[05:59] <Kilos> http://www.tuxradar.com/content/how-bui ... nux-distro
[05:59] <Squirm> hey
[05:59] <Squirm> Trixar_za: I know about the music. I just need to find some non copyright stuff
[06:00] <Trixar_za> Maybe something like http://incompetech.com/music/
[06:00] <Trixar_za> I may or may not be collecting them
[06:00] <Trixar_za> :P
[06:00] <Kilos> really sad the remastersys owner gave up
[06:01] <Kilos> lets hope the fork is as good
[06:03] <Trixar_za> I personally like http://incompetech.com/music/royalty-free/index.html?isrc=USUAN1100844
[06:10] <Trixar_za> I also found http://freemusicforvideos.com/
[06:10] <Squirm> Trixar_za: i just found that song went well with the video :P
[06:11] <Trixar_za> Cipher?
[06:13] <Squirm> The one I had on the video
[06:13] <Trixar_za> Yeah, it does kind of fit
[06:14] <Squirm> will definitely look through that site though
[06:28] <Squirm> haven't had coffee yet and I need to work
[06:28] <Squirm> Maaz: cofee on
[06:28] <Maaz> Squirm: Huh?
[06:28] <Squirm> Maaz: coffee on
[06:28]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[06:28] <Squirm> Maaz: large
[06:28] <Maaz> In a beer mug just for you Squirm
[06:28] <Squirm> Maaz: larger
[06:28] <Maaz> inna bucket for you Squirm
[06:28] <Squirm> :D
[06:28] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[06:28] <Maaz> Kilos: Yessir
[06:29] <Kilos> Maaz, with milk
[06:29] <Maaz> Yay Kilos You aren't one of those skinny guys that needs to drink black coffee to cast a shadow
[06:31] <Trixar_za> Maaz: coffee please
[06:31] <Maaz> Trixar_za: Yessir
[06:32] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Squirm, Kilos and Trixar_za!
[06:32] <Trixar_za> Thanks Maaz
[06:32] <Kilos> Maaz, danke
[06:32] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[06:51] <Squirm> Maaz: botsnack
[06:51] <Maaz> Thank you thank you, munch munch chomp chomp
[06:51]  * Squirm goes and makes real coffee
[07:18] <Kilos> hmm...
[07:19] <Squirm> ...mmh
[07:21] <Squirm> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swEFEqyLRf8&feature=c4-overview&list=UU8rqJnQugTGz6U5eXQktRDw
[07:21] <Squirm> flying via a video stream
[07:22] <Squirm> hmm, I could actually stream my flying live to YouTube
[07:37] <Kilos> hi superfly 
[07:45] <Kilos> !/usr/bin/python
[07:45] <Kilos>  Filename : helloworld.py
[07:45] <Kilos> print 'Hello World'
[07:46] <Kilos> what is the invalid syntax there when using idle?
[08:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning
[08:06] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[08:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: use slexy :P
[08:07] <Kilos> for such a short thing too?
[08:07] <Kilos> methunk only if more than 5 lines
[08:07] <Kilos> but i will
[08:08] <Kilos> sorry for the spam
[08:11] <Kilos> hi psyatw 
[08:11] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[08:11] <Kilos> you gonna learn python with us?
[08:11] <psyatw> hmm, maybe yes
[08:12] <psyatw> but I would really like to learn oracle and j2ee
[08:12] <Kilos> whew
[08:46] <inetpro> Kilos: the first and the 2nd lines are wrong
[08:47] <Kilos> wrong in what way sir?
[08:47] <inetpro> both lines need a hash (#) in front
[08:47] <Kilos> i have tried it with the hash as well
[08:47] <inetpro> 1st line as part of the shebang and the 2nd line as the start of a comment line
[08:48] <psyatw> hi inetpro
[08:48] <Kilos> oooo you even know about shebang
[08:48] <Kilos> dark horse you
[08:48] <inetpro> hi psyatw
[08:51] <Kilos> hi Cantide 
[08:52] <Cantide> hello :)
[09:11] <charl> good morning
[09:11] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[09:11]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[09:11] <charl> hi Cantide 
[09:11] <charl> hi psyatw, Kilos, inetpro 
[09:12] <Kilos> hi charl 
[09:12] <Cantide> hey charl '-'/
[09:13] <psyatw> hi charl
[09:13] <psyatw> hoi Cantide :)
[09:13] <Cantide> psyatw, :)
[09:15] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[09:40] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[09:40] <Maaz> charl: Sure
[09:44] <magespawn> good morning 
[09:44] <Kilos> hi there magespawn \
[09:45]  * ThatGraemeGuy pokes superfly with a stick
[09:46] <magespawn> i see you have started on the pytho Kilos
[09:46] <magespawn> python
[09:46] <magespawn> as well
[09:46] <Kilos> yeah i need a headstart because i get errors no one else does
[09:48] <magespawn> did you get that one to run okay?
[09:48] <Kilos> nope
[09:48] <Kilos> syntax errors
[09:48] <magespawn> slexy link
[09:49] <Kilos> lemme just get it going again and ill show ya
[09:50] <magespawn> cool beans
[09:50] <Cantide> python? like this? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/36318710/1000573_626302854068094_599193947_n.jpg
[09:51] <Cantide> amidoingitrite?
[09:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> iseewhatyoudidthere.jpg
[09:53] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s20ZI27dtZ
[09:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> uh
[09:54] <Kilos> thats running in cli after the idle bit and saving as helloworld.py
[09:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> that makes no sense :-o
[09:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://slexy.org/view/s202FWPMHK
[09:56] <Kilos> ai! whats the diffs
[09:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> wait are you running that in idle?
[09:56] <Kilos> yours works
[09:56] <magespawn> good question
[09:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> or just a bash shell?
[09:56] <magespawn> that is a seriously cool cake
[09:57] <Kilos> in idle it did the first 3 lines then saved then i ran the command in cli
[09:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> what's the output of 'cat helloworld.py' ?
[09:59] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s2KRjgS8UK
[10:00] <Kilos> it stutters and shows it twice?
[10:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> nee man
[10:00] <Kilos> sjoe
[10:00] <inetpro> ai!
[10:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> you've got too much nonsense in there, just use a plain editor
[10:01] <Kilos> plain editor?
[10:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://slexy.org/view/s2oxt6Eaj1
[10:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> that's all that ought to be in there
[10:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> what flavour of ubuntu do you use?
[10:03] <Kilos> 12.04
[10:03] <Kilos> unity
[10:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> use gedit
[10:03] <Kilos> oh
[10:03] <Kilos> thought you had to use vim or so
[10:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> no, you can use any text editor you're comfortable with
[10:04] <Cantide> gedit <3
[10:04] <Kilos> vim is too much to learn so i tried idle
[10:05] <Kilos> now i gotta first delete the others methinks
[10:09] <Kilos> yay that worked ty, but what went wrong before ?
[10:10] <Kilos> all that about syntax error
[10:10] <Kilos> grrr
[10:14]  * Kilos blames magespawn 
[10:14] <Kilos> hehe
[10:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: http://vim-adventures.com/
[10:15] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy, i sukkel with vim
[10:16] <Kilos> gedit is good for me if it can do all the programming stuff with python
[10:19] <Kilos> but am getting more data tonight then ill go try that game
[10:19] <Kilos> hi Xethron 
[10:20] <Kilos> hey you gotta learn python
[10:20] <Xethron> heya Kilos 
[10:35]  * magespawn smacks Kilos with a large wet feather
[10:35] <Kilos> rofl
[10:35] <Kilos> gedit works fine and so much simpler
[10:36] <Cantide> yeah, i use gedit for a lot of things
[10:36] <Cantide> especially php
[10:36] <Cantide> <3
[10:36] <Kilos> i wonder why they suggest using idle vim and kate
[10:36] <magespawn> kate is default on kde
[10:36] <Cantide> hardcore users maybe :p
[10:37] <Kilos> isnt kate the kde equivalent of gedit
[10:37] <Cantide> idk, i've not used KDE :)
[10:37] <Kilos> kde is lekker man
[10:37] <Cantide> not for me :)
[10:38] <Kilos> those x ones arent lekker
[10:38] <Cantide> x? as in x.org?
[10:38] <Cantide> but kde uses x..
[10:38]  * Cantide is confused
[10:38] <Kilos> xubuntu and them
[10:38] <magespawn> anty text editor that can save the file with a .py extension should be fine
[10:38] <Cantide> ah
[10:38] <Cantide> you mean xfce...
[10:38] <Kilos> ya that
[10:38] <Cantide> i don't like it either :p
[10:39] <magespawn> and xkcd, thats the best
[10:39] <Cantide> hahaha
[10:39] <Cantide> that i like :)
[10:39] <Kilos> but kde rocks once you put your mind to give it a fair try
[10:39] <magespawn> gotta go get fish, later all
[10:39] <Cantide> http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/standards.png
[10:39] <Kilos> later magespawn 
[10:40] <Cantide> see ya~
[10:40] <Kilos> whole morning gone and i just got to hello world
[10:40] <Kilos> sigh
[10:40] <Cantide> :)
[10:40] <Cantide> at least you got somewhere
[10:40] <Kilos> can you use vim?
[10:40] <Kilos> whew
[10:41] <Kilos> thats hard work
[10:48] <Kilos> aw i didnt see neelsie
[10:50] <Cantide> i have never tried vim
[10:50] <Cantide> i've used vi quite a bit via ssh
[10:51] <Cantide> but i use gedit whenever possible :)
[10:57] <Kilos> Maaz, vim game is <reply> http://vim-adventures.com/
[10:57] <Maaz> Kilos: Got it
[11:08] <Cantide> that game looks nice :0
[11:52] <magespawn> afternoon
[11:52] <Kilos> yo magespawn 
[11:53] <magespawn> one of the other things to read regarding python is pep8
[11:54] <Kilos> whew dfont add more stuff now
[11:54] <Kilos> dont
[11:54] <magespawn> http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0008/ 
[11:54] <magespawn> this is just a best practices guide
[11:55] <Kilos> lol best practise is get a pro to do it for you
[11:55] <magespawn> somebody like superfly
[11:56] <Kilos> from page 11 it gets heavy trying to remember all that stuff
[11:56] <Kilos> ya him
[11:56] <magespawn> i can't remeber identation or spaces, and if spaces how many
[11:56] <Kilos> constants and numbers and strings
[11:57] <Kilos> sjoe
[11:58] <superfly> that's why you use pep8
[12:01] <magespawn> indeed
[12:01] <Kilos> oh
[12:01] <magespawn> at least until it becomes 2nd nature
[12:04] <Kilos> A style guide is about consistency. Consistency with this style guide is important. Consistency within a project is more important. Consistency within one module or function is most important.
[12:04] <Kilos> But most importantly: know when to be inconsistent
[12:04] <Kilos> sigh
[12:16] <magespawn> lol @ Kilos
[12:19] <Kilos> i should stick to hardware sorting. its not in english thats not understandable
[12:19] <Kilos> foo
[12:21] <Vince-0> hii
[12:22] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[12:48] <magespawn> that sort of thing is a place holder for anything you actually want to type
[12:48] <Kilos> this is the reason geeks get probs with other peeps at school
[12:49] <Kilos> they cant understand them
[12:50] <Kilos> like a different breed on been
[12:50] <Kilos> bean
[12:50] <magespawn> that could be
[14:56] <Kilos> hmm... i wonder if i can teach QA to braai a steak and shout when its ready
[14:57] <Kilos> oh my vince must be a vegetarian
[15:00] <Cantide> lol
[15:20] <Kilos> most of the guys are on the way home and graeme still has 40 mins
[15:20] <Kilos> and who knows with magespawn 
[15:24] <magespawn> just about to leave now
[15:25] <Cantide> home? i have been home all day :)
[15:26] <Kilos> go safe magespawn 
[15:27] <Kilos> Maaz, start a game of werewolf
[15:27] <Maaz> Kilos: You have started a game of Werewolf. Everybody has 60 seconds to join the game.
[15:27] <Kilos> eat cfantide
[15:27] <Kilos> ai!
[15:27] <Kilos> Maaz, eat Cantide 
[15:27] <Maaz> Kilos: What?
[15:28] <Maaz> Not enough players. Try again later.
[15:28] <Kilos> hehe
[15:28] <Cantide> hahaha
[15:30] <Kilos> wb Trixar_za 
[15:31] <Trixar_za> Thanks Kilos
[15:32] <charl> whow
[15:32] <charl> just watched the ubuntu edge video
[15:33] <Kilos> and?
[15:33] <charl> amazing
[15:33] <Trixar_za> I'm actually downloading Claws Mail for Windows so I can check my email...
[15:33] <charl> the crowdfunding doesn't look too good though
[15:33] <Kilos> thats the phone?
[15:34] <Trixar_za> I just need to bite the bullet and install Arch
[15:34] <charl> yeah that's the hardware part
[15:34] <Kilos> eish Trixar_za 
[15:34] <Kilos> why arch?
[15:35] <Kilos> size or what?
[15:35] <charl> only 7 days left to raise $20K
[15:35] <Trixar_za> Mostly what you learn while installing it. I'm not mad enough to try gentoo yet
[15:35] <charl> probably not gonna happen
[15:35] <Kilos> there was a chick here a while back that used arch
[15:35] <Trixar_za> And yeah, the size is also a factor. My old PC can't run the new bling-bling Linuxes
[15:36] <Kilos> look at tinycorelinux
[15:36] <Kilos> oh you got 3g
[15:36] <Kilos> that was the only prob i had with it
[15:36] <Kilos> with adsl it will rocks methinks
[15:37] <Trixar_za> I tried, but most of the tinycore guys are Frugal mad idiots with a holier than thou mentality
[15:37] <Kilos> whole os was 66m
[15:37] <Trixar_za> :P
[15:37] <Kilos> yeah i only found one helpful guy
[15:38] <charl> if you need lightweight why not just go lubuntu
[15:38] <charl> unless if you say you just want to do it for the lols then arch is great
[15:38] <Kilos> ai!
[15:38] <Kilos> i didnt like it
[15:39] <charl> what was wrong with it?
[15:39] <charl> (i should add, i don't use it myself)
[15:39] <Kilos> he does slitaz but it crashed now
[15:40] <Kilos> Trixar_za, why not install slitaz again
[15:41] <Trixar_za> Because they mad a mess of the current version
[15:41] <Trixar_za> made*
[15:41] <Kilos> or get data and upgrade to ubuntu
[15:41] <Trixar_za> And I'll probably have to build my own version before I can use it again
[15:42] <Kilos> oh you leaving them
[15:44] <Kilos> oh the pc dont like ubuntu
[15:44] <Kilos> hmm...
[15:45] <Kilos> what help did you need with tinycore
[15:48] <Trixar_za> Pretty much sakis3g support - amongst other things. But they want to run it in RAM because starting it in ram is clean everytime
[15:48] <Trixar_za> Not to mention huge if you have a lot of packages
[15:48] <Trixar_za> Dumbasses
[15:49] <Kilos> oh i got the install iso
[15:50] <Kilos> but it is very different from debian
[15:50] <Kilos> woulda been fine with adsl
[15:52] <Kilos> i wonder if it will work in a wifi router with the 3g plugged into the router
[15:52] <Kilos> hmm...
[16:06] <Trixar_za> I'm one of those weird people that install Windows versions of stuff so I can have access to my old configuration files
[16:06] <Kilos> ah
[16:08] <Trixar_za> I even imported my firefox bookmarks post crash using the backed up json file
[16:09] <Kilos> what caused the crash?
[16:13] <Trixar_za> Probably something related to Xorg
[16:13] <Kilos> eish
[16:53] <Kilos> hi smile hows you?
[16:54] <smile> good :D
[16:54] <smile> how about you
[16:54] <smile> ;)
[16:54] <Kilos> good ty. everything is working except idle
[16:55] <Kilos> but gedit is doing the job so far
[16:59] <magespawn> good evening
[16:59] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[17:00] <magespawn> hey hey
[17:00] <magespawn> idle not working?
[17:00] <Kilos> weird hey
[17:00] <magespawn> no error messages
[17:00] <Kilos> ya
[17:01] <smile> Kilos: gedit sucks :'(
[17:01] <Kilos> that same error
[17:01] <smile> but yeah, it works :/
[17:01] <Kilos> na gedit works
[17:01] <smile> notepad++ is clearly much beter :)
[17:01] <magespawn> smile does that work on linux?
[17:02] <smile> magespawn: on Wine, it works very well. It could be ported very easily to native Linux, since it's not using so many Windows specific features (read: Windows API)
[17:02] <Kilos> i wont touch notepad unless im on win with no choice
[17:03] <magespawn> not the same notepad
[17:03] <magespawn> this one is much more Kilos 
[17:03] <Kilos> once ive gone a bit further in python ill try idle again on the stuff that works
[17:04] <Kilos> ah
[17:04] <Kilos> but wine sucks too
[17:04] <magespawn> what version of python do you have?
[17:04] <Kilos> 2.7.3 i think
[17:04] <Kilos> wait i check
[17:05] <Kilos> ya thats it
[17:05] <Kilos> hi psychicist 
[17:05] <psychicist> hi Kilos 
[17:06] <Kilos> now i want some of the ibid code
[17:06] <Trixar_za> smile: I prefer Geany myself
[17:06] <Kilos> the part that makes coffee
[17:06] <magespawn> maybe the idle is looking for a different version
[17:07] <Kilos> they both outa the repos so i dunno
[17:07] <smile> Trixar_za: yeah :) it's obviously better
[17:07] <smile> will try to install it now :)
[17:09] <Trixar_za> I have to disable the message window, but otherwise it runs pretty well :P
[17:10] <Trixar_za> I have Notepad++ on Windows, but I don't like how it spaces python code
[17:10] <smile> which plugins do you have installed? :)
[17:10] <Trixar_za> I just used the basic install :P
[17:10] <smile> notepad++ works good for batch, XML, HTML etc ;)
[17:11] <smile> Trixar_za: that's boring :p
[17:11] <Trixar_za> It's just that it's python's tabs use spaces instead of tabulation
[17:11] <Trixar_za> I know it's against the Python standards, but I like tab
[17:11] <Trixar_za> :P
[17:11] <magespawn> i like the way it does html, never tried it python use idle or eric for that
[17:13] <Kilos> did your idle work with hello world magespawn ??
[17:15] <magespawn> yes
[17:15] <Kilos> thats not fair
[17:15] <magespawn> i could not see anything wrong with your code either
[17:16] <Kilos> i have no idea why it said syntax error
[17:16] <Kilos> grrr
[17:16] <Kilos> everything first tests me
[17:17] <magespawn> just don't go and do a reinstall because of it
[17:17] <Kilos> ive had both drives with win blocking the bad sectors going all day
[17:17] <Kilos> hahaha\
[17:18] <Kilos> so maybe thats a workaround
[17:18] <Kilos> maybe i must reinstall idle
[17:18] <smile> Trixar_za: me like tab too ;)
[17:19] <magespawn> here is some of my practice code http://db.tt/foBMNIkK
[17:20] <smile> yeah, py :D
[17:21] <Kilos> aw opera only shows size and modified but no names
[17:21] <Kilos> you been going at it long
[17:21] <magespawn> my mobile firefox does the same, more strangeness
[17:22] <Kilos> i removed firefox with last install to save data
[17:22] <Kilos> will install again now and see
[17:23] <Kilos> ai! 27.4m
[17:23] <Kilos> and they upgrade every coupla weeks
[17:26] <Kilos> firefox shows same way magespawn 
[17:26] <Kilos> no names
[17:27] <magespawn> mine took a will to load them
[17:28] <Kilos> i see pages there now but still no names
[17:28] <magespawn> awhile maybe too
[17:29] <Kilos> your dropbox is sick
[17:31] <magespawn> maybe very be, had my files in it for too long
[17:31] <Kilos> aw now i forgot who i was in dropbox
[17:31] <Kilos> maybe they will show when signed in
[17:32] <Trixar_za> [17:29:58] [Trixar_za] Some extensions are memory hogs
[17:32] <Trixar_za> [17:30:28] [Trixar_za] Not to mention both the Firefox and extension authors don't take memory leak reports seriously
[17:32] <Trixar_za> I found the biggest memory hog to be Adblock Plus even if it doesn't have a list loaded
[17:35] <magespawn> never used that, just noscript
[17:38] <magespawn> Kilos i don't have another way to share at the moment, i am on the tablet
[17:38] <Kilos> np magespawn 
[17:45] <Kilos> inetpro, you here?
[17:50] <Kilos> night guys . sleep tight
[17:50] <Kilos> nogga dag môre
[18:32] <smile> bye :)
[19:07] <magespawn> inetpro ping
[19:15] <magespawn> Maaz tell maiatoday there is a new ubuntu server book available to the loco teams.
[19:15] <Maaz> magespawn: Righto, I'll tell maiatoday on freenode
[19:15] <magespawn> good night all
[19:26] <yolandre> hi all.
[19:26] <yolandre> need some more advice.... what is the recommended swap area size?
[19:27] <Squirm> hi
[19:27] <Squirm> yolandre: how much ram do you have?
[19:27] <yolandre> 8gb
[19:27] <Squirm> maybe make it about 6gb then
[19:27] <yolandre> thanks!
[19:28] <Squirm> kind of works off a sliding scale. I think 4gb ram you should have 4gb swap, but I think the higher you go, the less swap
[19:28] <Squirm> hmm
[19:28] <Squirm> As a base minimum, it's highly recommended that the swap space should be equal to the amount of physical memory (RAM). 
[19:29] <Squirm> "In reality, if you use hibernation you need what was outlined in the relevant paragraph above, otherwise you need as much swap space as your system will use - which actually may be very little in a modern hardware setup"
[19:29] <Squirm> swap is only used if you use up all your ram
[19:29] <Squirm> it's like virtual memory on windows, starts writing bits that are meant to go to ram, to your hdd
[19:31] <yolandre> got you there. actually opted for 4gb. should there be a future need i'll resize. only using ubuntu for private & basic computing.
[19:32] <superfly> recommended swap used to be twice RAM
[19:32] <Squirm> and you can increase your swap partition at a later point - if you have unused hdd space
[19:32] <superfly> nowadays with more than 4 gigs swap is almost unnecessary
[19:32] <superfly> yolandre: 4 should be more than enough
[19:32] <Squirm> yeah, I see that now
[19:32] <Squirm> and it actually makes sense
[19:33] <yolandre> should hope so... had to do with 1gb previously and 12.04 worked just fine.
[19:33] <Squirm> superfly: any idea when ubuntuforums came back up?
[19:33] <yolandre> the last time i manually create unix or linux partitions was about 10 years ago....
[19:34] <yolandre> nope - none. i was on last noght when it dropped & noticed it on at about 02:00 this morning. was seeking help with a tricky installation and wanted to share the solution.
[19:43] <superfly> Squirm: not at all. forums are places where n00bs give each other bad advice.
[19:49] <yolandre> anyways, should someone need to know the topic can be read at https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/234019.
[19:52] <yolandre> you asked me last night to post the solution?