=== space__ is now known as Space === Trixar_zb is now known as Trixar_za [05:30] Guten Morgen [05:36] hi Squirm et al [05:40] Hey Kilos [05:41] ohi Trixar_za [05:43] I need a new Linux home for a bit. Still looking around, but it'll probably be Arch if I take the time to configure it. I have to wait for my next data bundle too. Don't want to waste it. Makes me wish I didn't try ArchBash first :/ [05:44] why you need a new home?? [05:44] want more to do or what [05:45] isnt arch lotsa work [05:45] My SliTaz install broke and the latest unstable is a mess, which means if I want a proper one I'll probably have to redesign it from scratch and make it binary compatible with SliTaz [05:45] oh my [05:45] Yeah, I figure I'll need 2-3 days to configure and install Arch to how I would like it to be [05:46] you shoulda looked at remastersys [05:46] before you broke it [05:46] i can run my working os from dvd or reinstall [05:48] not a problem to break system anymore. can reinstall and update/upgrade with under 10m data [05:49] Isn't remastersys just for Ubuntu? [05:50] i think it will work on other linux systems especially debian [05:50] Maaz, google remastersys for linux [05:50] Kilos: "Remastersys" http://www.remastersys.com/ :: "Remastersys and AVLinux Forum - Index" http://www.remastersys.com/forums/index.php :: "[debian] Testing linux-mint-installer with remastersys builded distro" http://www.remastersys.com/forums/index.php?topic=2921.0 :: "How To Install Remastersys - MyWikidot" http://my-wd-local.wikidot.com/otherapp:how-to-install- [05:50] remastersys :: "Linux Mint Forums • View topic - Remastersys owner is pissed off ..." h… [05:51] you got the knowledge get it when you can and make it work for you [05:59] also look at ttp://www.maketecheasier.com/6-tools-t ... 2010/04/08 [05:59] http://www.tuxradar.com/content/how-bui ... nux-distro [05:59] hey [05:59] Trixar_za: I know about the music. I just need to find some non copyright stuff [06:00] Maybe something like http://incompetech.com/music/ [06:00] I may or may not be collecting them [06:00] :P [06:00] really sad the remastersys owner gave up [06:01] lets hope the fork is as good [06:03] I personally like http://incompetech.com/music/royalty-free/index.html?isrc=USUAN1100844 [06:10] I also found http://freemusicforvideos.com/ [06:10] Trixar_za: i just found that song went well with the video :P [06:11] Cipher? [06:13] The one I had on the video [06:13] Yeah, it does kind of fit [06:14] will definitely look through that site though [06:28] haven't had coffee yet and I need to work [06:28] Maaz: cofee on [06:28] Squirm: Huh? [06:28] Maaz: coffee on [06:28] * Maaz puts the kettle on [06:28] Maaz: large [06:28] In a beer mug just for you Squirm [06:28] Maaz: larger [06:28] inna bucket for you Squirm [06:28] :D [06:28] Maaz, coffee please [06:28] Kilos: Yessir [06:29] Maaz, with milk [06:29] Yay Kilos You aren't one of those skinny guys that needs to drink black coffee to cast a shadow [06:31] Maaz: coffee please [06:31] Trixar_za: Yessir [06:32] Coffee's ready for Squirm, Kilos and Trixar_za! [06:32] Thanks Maaz [06:32] Maaz, danke [06:32] Bitteschön [06:51] Maaz: botsnack [06:51] Thank you thank you, munch munch chomp chomp [06:51] * Squirm goes and makes real coffee [07:18] hmm... [07:19] ...mmh [07:21] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swEFEqyLRf8&feature=c4-overview&list=UU8rqJnQugTGz6U5eXQktRDw [07:21] flying via a video stream [07:22] hmm, I could actually stream my flying live to YouTube === Trixar_za is now known as Trix[a]r_za [07:37] hi superfly [07:45] !/usr/bin/python [07:45] Filename : helloworld.py [07:45] print 'Hello World' [07:46] what is the invalid syntax there when using idle? [08:06] morning [08:06] hi ThatGraemeGuy [08:06] Kilos: use slexy :P [08:07] for such a short thing too? [08:07] methunk only if more than 5 lines [08:07] but i will [08:08] sorry for the spam [08:11] hi psyatw [08:11] hi Kilos [08:11] you gonna learn python with us? [08:11] hmm, maybe yes [08:12] but I would really like to learn oracle and j2ee [08:12] whew [08:46] Kilos: the first and the 2nd lines are wrong [08:47] wrong in what way sir? [08:47] both lines need a hash (#) in front [08:47] i have tried it with the hash as well [08:47] 1st line as part of the shebang and the 2nd line as the start of a comment line [08:48] hi inetpro [08:48] oooo you even know about shebang [08:48] dark horse you [08:48] hi psyatw [08:51] hi Cantide [08:52] hello :) [09:11] good morning [09:11] Maaz: coffee on [09:11] * Maaz starts grinding coffee [09:11] hi Cantide [09:11] hi psyatw, Kilos, inetpro [09:12] hi charl [09:12] hey charl '-'/ [09:13] hi charl [09:13] hoi Cantide :) [09:13] psyatw, :) [09:15] Coffee's ready for charl! [09:40] Maaz: thanks [09:40] charl: Sure [09:44] good morning [09:44] hi there magespawn \ [09:45] * ThatGraemeGuy pokes superfly with a stick [09:46] i see you have started on the pytho Kilos [09:46] python [09:46] as well [09:46] yeah i need a headstart because i get errors no one else does [09:48] did you get that one to run okay? [09:48] nope [09:48] syntax errors [09:48] slexy link [09:49] lemme just get it going again and ill show ya [09:50] cool beans [09:50] python? like this? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/36318710/1000573_626302854068094_599193947_n.jpg [09:51] amidoingitrite? [09:51] iseewhatyoudidthere.jpg [09:53] http://slexy.org/view/s20ZI27dtZ [09:54] uh [09:54] thats running in cli after the idle bit and saving as helloworld.py [09:54] that makes no sense :-o [09:55] http://slexy.org/view/s202FWPMHK [09:56] ai! whats the diffs [09:56] wait are you running that in idle? [09:56] yours works [09:56] good question [09:56] or just a bash shell? [09:56] that is a seriously cool cake [09:57] in idle it did the first 3 lines then saved then i ran the command in cli [09:57] what's the output of 'cat helloworld.py' ? [09:59] http://slexy.org/view/s2KRjgS8UK [10:00] it stutters and shows it twice? [10:00] nee man [10:00] sjoe [10:00] ai! [10:00] you've got too much nonsense in there, just use a plain editor [10:01] plain editor? [10:01] http://slexy.org/view/s2oxt6Eaj1 [10:01] that's all that ought to be in there [10:01] what flavour of ubuntu do you use? [10:03] 12.04 [10:03] unity [10:03] use gedit [10:03] oh [10:03] thought you had to use vim or so [10:03] no, you can use any text editor you're comfortable with [10:04] gedit <3 [10:04] vim is too much to learn so i tried idle [10:05] now i gotta first delete the others methinks [10:09] yay that worked ty, but what went wrong before ? [10:10] all that about syntax error [10:10] grrr [10:14] * Kilos blames magespawn [10:14] hehe [10:15] Kilos: http://vim-adventures.com/ [10:15] ThatGraemeGuy, i sukkel with vim [10:16] gedit is good for me if it can do all the programming stuff with python [10:19] but am getting more data tonight then ill go try that game [10:19] hi Xethron [10:20] hey you gotta learn python [10:20] heya Kilos [10:35] * magespawn smacks Kilos with a large wet feather [10:35] rofl [10:35] gedit works fine and so much simpler [10:36] yeah, i use gedit for a lot of things [10:36] especially php [10:36] <3 [10:36] i wonder why they suggest using idle vim and kate [10:36] kate is default on kde [10:36] hardcore users maybe :p [10:37] isnt kate the kde equivalent of gedit [10:37] idk, i've not used KDE :) [10:37] kde is lekker man [10:37] not for me :) [10:38] those x ones arent lekker [10:38] x? as in x.org? [10:38] but kde uses x.. [10:38] * Cantide is confused [10:38] xubuntu and them [10:38] anty text editor that can save the file with a .py extension should be fine [10:38] ah [10:38] you mean xfce... [10:38] ya that [10:38] i don't like it either :p [10:39] and xkcd, thats the best [10:39] hahaha [10:39] that i like :) [10:39] but kde rocks once you put your mind to give it a fair try [10:39] gotta go get fish, later all [10:39] http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/standards.png [10:39] later magespawn [10:40] see ya~ [10:40] whole morning gone and i just got to hello world [10:40] sigh [10:40] :) [10:40] at least you got somewhere [10:40] can you use vim? [10:40] whew [10:41] thats hard work [10:48] aw i didnt see neelsie [10:50] i have never tried vim [10:50] i've used vi quite a bit via ssh [10:51] but i use gedit whenever possible :) [10:57] Maaz, vim game is http://vim-adventures.com/ [10:57] Kilos: Got it [11:08] that game looks nice :0 [11:52] afternoon [11:52] yo magespawn [11:53] one of the other things to read regarding python is pep8 === Cantide is now known as CantiAFK [11:54] whew dfont add more stuff now [11:54] dont [11:54] http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0008/ [11:54] this is just a best practices guide [11:55] lol best practise is get a pro to do it for you [11:55] somebody like superfly [11:56] from page 11 it gets heavy trying to remember all that stuff [11:56] ya him [11:56] i can't remeber identation or spaces, and if spaces how many [11:56] constants and numbers and strings [11:57] sjoe [11:58] that's why you use pep8 [12:01] indeed [12:01] oh [12:01] at least until it becomes 2nd nature [12:04] A style guide is about consistency. Consistency with this style guide is important. Consistency within a project is more important. Consistency within one module or function is most important. [12:04] But most importantly: know when to be inconsistent [12:04] sigh [12:16] lol @ Kilos [12:19] i should stick to hardware sorting. its not in english thats not understandable [12:19] foo [12:21] hii [12:22] hi Vince-0 [12:48] that sort of thing is a place holder for anything you actually want to type [12:48] this is the reason geeks get probs with other peeps at school [12:49] they cant understand them [12:50] like a different breed on been [12:50] bean [12:50] that could be === CantiAFK is now known as Cantide [14:56] hmm... i wonder if i can teach QA to braai a steak and shout when its ready [14:57] oh my vince must be a vegetarian [15:00] lol [15:20] most of the guys are on the way home and graeme still has 40 mins [15:20] and who knows with magespawn [15:24] just about to leave now [15:25] home? i have been home all day :) [15:26] go safe magespawn [15:27] Maaz, start a game of werewolf [15:27] Kilos: You have started a game of Werewolf. Everybody has 60 seconds to join the game. [15:27] eat cfantide [15:27] ai! [15:27] Maaz, eat Cantide [15:27] Kilos: What? [15:28] Not enough players. Try again later. [15:28] hehe [15:28] hahaha === Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za [15:30] wb Trixar_za [15:31] Thanks Kilos [15:32] whow [15:32] just watched the ubuntu edge video [15:33] and? [15:33] amazing [15:33] I'm actually downloading Claws Mail for Windows so I can check my email... [15:33] the crowdfunding doesn't look too good though [15:33] thats the phone? [15:34] I just need to bite the bullet and install Arch [15:34] yeah that's the hardware part [15:34] eish Trixar_za [15:34] why arch? [15:35] size or what? [15:35] only 7 days left to raise $20K [15:35] Mostly what you learn while installing it. I'm not mad enough to try gentoo yet [15:35] probably not gonna happen [15:35] there was a chick here a while back that used arch [15:35] And yeah, the size is also a factor. My old PC can't run the new bling-bling Linuxes [15:36] look at tinycorelinux [15:36] oh you got 3g [15:36] that was the only prob i had with it [15:36] with adsl it will rocks methinks [15:37] I tried, but most of the tinycore guys are Frugal mad idiots with a holier than thou mentality [15:37] whole os was 66m [15:37] :P [15:37] yeah i only found one helpful guy [15:38] if you need lightweight why not just go lubuntu [15:38] unless if you say you just want to do it for the lols then arch is great [15:38] ai! [15:38] i didnt like it [15:39] what was wrong with it? [15:39] (i should add, i don't use it myself) [15:39] he does slitaz but it crashed now [15:40] Trixar_za, why not install slitaz again [15:41] Because they mad a mess of the current version [15:41] made* [15:41] or get data and upgrade to ubuntu [15:41] And I'll probably have to build my own version before I can use it again [15:42] oh you leaving them [15:44] oh the pc dont like ubuntu [15:44] hmm... [15:45] what help did you need with tinycore [15:48] Pretty much sakis3g support - amongst other things. But they want to run it in RAM because starting it in ram is clean everytime [15:48] Not to mention huge if you have a lot of packages [15:48] Dumbasses [15:49] oh i got the install iso [15:50] but it is very different from debian [15:50] woulda been fine with adsl [15:52] i wonder if it will work in a wifi router with the 3g plugged into the router [15:52] hmm... [16:06] I'm one of those weird people that install Windows versions of stuff so I can have access to my old configuration files [16:06] ah [16:08] I even imported my firefox bookmarks post crash using the backed up json file [16:09] what caused the crash? [16:13] Probably something related to Xorg [16:13] eish [16:53] hi smile hows you? [16:54] good :D [16:54] how about you [16:54] ;) [16:54] good ty. everything is working except idle [16:55] but gedit is doing the job so far [16:59] good evening [16:59] hi magespawn [17:00] hey hey [17:00] idle not working? [17:00] weird hey [17:00] no error messages [17:00] ya [17:01] Kilos: gedit sucks :'( [17:01] that same error [17:01] but yeah, it works :/ [17:01] na gedit works [17:01] notepad++ is clearly much beter :) [17:01] smile does that work on linux? [17:02] magespawn: on Wine, it works very well. It could be ported very easily to native Linux, since it's not using so many Windows specific features (read: Windows API) [17:02] i wont touch notepad unless im on win with no choice [17:03] not the same notepad [17:03] this one is much more Kilos [17:03] once ive gone a bit further in python ill try idle again on the stuff that works [17:04] ah [17:04] but wine sucks too [17:04] what version of python do you have? [17:04] 2.7.3 i think [17:04] wait i check [17:05] ya thats it [17:05] hi psychicist [17:05] hi Kilos [17:06] now i want some of the ibid code [17:06] smile: I prefer Geany myself [17:06] the part that makes coffee [17:06] maybe the idle is looking for a different version [17:07] they both outa the repos so i dunno [17:07] Trixar_za: yeah :) it's obviously better [17:07] will try to install it now :) [17:09] I have to disable the message window, but otherwise it runs pretty well :P [17:10] I have Notepad++ on Windows, but I don't like how it spaces python code [17:10] which plugins do you have installed? :) [17:10] I just used the basic install :P [17:10] notepad++ works good for batch, XML, HTML etc ;) [17:11] Trixar_za: that's boring :p [17:11] It's just that it's python's tabs use spaces instead of tabulation [17:11] I know it's against the Python standards, but I like tab [17:11] :P [17:11] i like the way it does html, never tried it python use idle or eric for that [17:13] did your idle work with hello world magespawn ?? [17:15] yes [17:15] thats not fair [17:15] i could not see anything wrong with your code either [17:16] i have no idea why it said syntax error [17:16] grrr [17:16] everything first tests me [17:17] just don't go and do a reinstall because of it [17:17] ive had both drives with win blocking the bad sectors going all day [17:17] hahaha\ [17:18] so maybe thats a workaround [17:18] maybe i must reinstall idle [17:18] Trixar_za: me like tab too ;) [17:19] here is some of my practice code http://db.tt/foBMNIkK [17:20] yeah, py :D [17:21] aw opera only shows size and modified but no names [17:21] you been going at it long [17:21] my mobile firefox does the same, more strangeness [17:22] i removed firefox with last install to save data [17:22] will install again now and see [17:23] ai! 27.4m [17:23] and they upgrade every coupla weeks [17:26] firefox shows same way magespawn [17:26] no names [17:27] mine took a will to load them [17:28] i see pages there now but still no names [17:28] awhile maybe too [17:29] your dropbox is sick [17:31] maybe very be, had my files in it for too long [17:31] aw now i forgot who i was in dropbox [17:31] maybe they will show when signed in [17:32] [17:29:58] [Trixar_za] Some extensions are memory hogs [17:32] [17:30:28] [Trixar_za] Not to mention both the Firefox and extension authors don't take memory leak reports seriously [17:32] I found the biggest memory hog to be Adblock Plus even if it doesn't have a list loaded [17:35] never used that, just noscript [17:38] Kilos i don't have another way to share at the moment, i am on the tablet [17:38] np magespawn [17:45] inetpro, you here? [17:50] night guys . sleep tight [17:50] nogga dag môre === Trixar_za is now known as Trix[a]r_za [18:32] bye :) [19:07] inetpro ping [19:15] Maaz tell maiatoday there is a new ubuntu server book available to the loco teams. [19:15] magespawn: Righto, I'll tell maiatoday on freenode [19:15] good night all [19:26] hi all. [19:26] need some more advice.... what is the recommended swap area size? [19:27] hi [19:27] yolandre: how much ram do you have? [19:27] 8gb [19:27] maybe make it about 6gb then [19:27] thanks! [19:28] kind of works off a sliding scale. I think 4gb ram you should have 4gb swap, but I think the higher you go, the less swap [19:28] hmm [19:28] As a base minimum, it's highly recommended that the swap space should be equal to the amount of physical memory (RAM). [19:29] "In reality, if you use hibernation you need what was outlined in the relevant paragraph above, otherwise you need as much swap space as your system will use - which actually may be very little in a modern hardware setup" [19:29] swap is only used if you use up all your ram [19:29] it's like virtual memory on windows, starts writing bits that are meant to go to ram, to your hdd [19:31] got you there. actually opted for 4gb. should there be a future need i'll resize. only using ubuntu for private & basic computing. [19:32] recommended swap used to be twice RAM [19:32] and you can increase your swap partition at a later point - if you have unused hdd space [19:32] nowadays with more than 4 gigs swap is almost unnecessary [19:32] yolandre: 4 should be more than enough [19:32] yeah, I see that now [19:32] and it actually makes sense [19:33] should hope so... had to do with 1gb previously and 12.04 worked just fine. [19:33] superfly: any idea when ubuntuforums came back up? [19:33] the last time i manually create unix or linux partitions was about 10 years ago.... [19:34] nope - none. i was on last noght when it dropped & noticed it on at about 02:00 this morning. was seeking help with a tricky installation and wanted to share the solution. [19:43] Squirm: not at all. forums are places where n00bs give each other bad advice. [19:49] anyways, should someone need to know the topic can be read at https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/234019. [19:52] you asked me last night to post the solution?