[00:05] <zeta-> dpkg says;- " cannot access archive: No such file or directory"  is archive a repository?
[00:13] <ubuntuissues> Went to dinner, anyways...
[00:13] <ubuntuissues> Yeah, I don't know what to do.
[00:20] <hdhzero> Hi, people. I'm using ubuntu 12.04 and elantech's touchpad does not work by default. On version 13.04 (live cd) it does. I would like to know what the development team did to fix it. Was in the kernel? Was a proprietary driver? Was on X's synaptic?
[00:26] <TannedVampire> sorry, I was interrupted two days ago.  Here is my video card: AMD ATI RS690M size=256M.  Does this explain why my ubuntu is slow?
[00:27] <TannedVampire> oops, my video card is Radeon X1200 Series
[00:27] <Salmiaka> Hello everyone
[00:29] <ubuntuissues> Is anyone else familiar with data recovery on a potentially high loss data system?
[00:29] <Mr-Protocol> sure
[00:30] <ubuntuissues> basically, I went to sleep, woke up, dead machine. Right now, the partition schemes are still there, but the drives are completely corrupt. I can't access anything. If I fsck, I loose all the data, or it recovers some of the data, but not all.
[00:31] <Mr-Protocol> if the drive was bad, why did you continue to keep using it?
[00:31] <Mr-Protocol> and force it to read/write
[00:31] <Salmiaka> Does anybody knows some about turning an old iMac (with a ppc processor) into ubuntu (excuse the mis-speaking, please ...)
[00:31] <funkster> crons always runs at 00 seconds, correct?
[00:31] <ubuntuissues> Mr-Protocol, I am not.
[00:31] <Mr-Protocol> you should have just imaged it right away with dd and then proceeded from there
[00:32] <ubuntuissues> The drives aren't being used right now.
[00:32] <Mr-Protocol> ah
[00:32] <Mr-Protocol> image the disk, fire up some data recovery tools to run on the image and good luck lol
[00:32] <ubuntuissues> I am not sure how long you have been in the channel, but if you grep TJ- or ubuntuissues I have been in here for 6 hours trying to figure it out.
[00:33] <Mr-Protocol> i have join leaves on
[00:33] <Mr-Protocol> so most things fall off the screen lol
[00:35] <Nmk543> ubuntuissues: I would definitely make a backup image of the disk (which you should be regularly doing anyway) before doing anything. Any drive could fail at any time, regardless of the operating system that is on it...
[00:35] <charlin322> so?
[00:36] <ubuntuissues> Nmk543, I am aware, the backups were on another drive in the same system. Those drives also are corrupted.
[00:36] <charlin322> this is my first time using irssi,could you give me some suggestion?
[00:37] <dr_willis> Salmiaka:   an old imac dv is barely worth using as a linux machine. I had one and just ended up giving it away. you COULD install a console/text only system on and use it as a ssh terminal perhaps. but othjer then that.. i found they dident work very well at all
[00:38] <Nmk543> ubuntuissues: In my opinion, making a backup image to an external hard disk once a week might be a good idea. It won't take a lot of time and can save you from a lot of headache later on.
[00:38] <dr_willis> Salmiaka:  there is a community supported ppc linux (several differnt disrtos) but i never found one that worked well
[00:38] <Salmiaka> dr_willis: thank you very much for this advice.
[00:38] <ubuntuissues> Well, unfortunately I didn't do that, and at this point I can really only work forward. After using testdisk on /home the testdisk: http://pastebin.com/1gTBcuaQ
[00:38] <Nmk543> ubuntuissues: because this problem could be related to the drive itself and not necessarily to Ubuntu.
[00:39] <Salmiaka> still i wonder why .dmg files disappears after being converted from .isos
[00:41] <ubuntuissues> So right now, just to backup the corrupt data. If the malfunctioning drive is 250 GB and the only external drive I have is 500GB, how would I go about doing a dd?
[00:41] <Mr-Protocol> to troll or not to troll lol
[00:41] <Mr-Protocol> have you used DD before?
[00:42] <charlin322> no?
[00:42] <dr_willis> Salmiaka:  converting how why.what for?
[00:42] <ubuntuissues> Mr-Protocol, no, I haven't. I also would appreciate if you didn't troll, because I am honestly very frustrated right now.
[00:42] <Mr-Protocol> are you familiar with linux command line?
[00:42] <Nmk543> ubuntuissues: I've used Ghost4Linux on Parted Magic and it makes a raw copy of every single bit. Very easy to use.
[00:42] <charlin322> yes?
[00:43] <ubuntuissues> Somewhat familiar yes, I know how to pipe and such, but if you ask me to do some ridiculous long string with reg-ex, I don't know how.
[00:43] <charlin322> hmm  but i just to read zhe notes?
[00:43] <Mr-Protocol> well,, the command you would want is something like this
[00:43] <ubuntuissues> I only thought the processor and the motherboard were the issue this morning, I didn't realize it was this much of an issue. So I really would appreciate if it wasn't a troll attempt.
[00:43] <charlin322> thanks
[00:43] <charlin322> this is magic
[00:43] <charlin322> unbelieveable
[00:44] <Mr-Protocol> sudo dd bs=512 if=/dev/**DEVICE_OF_BAD_DISK** of=/PATH/TO/Destination_Disk/Filename.dd
[00:44] <charlin322> we just use qq for connection
[00:44] <Mr-Protocol> or if you want a windows tool: FTK Imager
[00:44] <Salmiaka> dr_willis: I have to convert a .iso to a .dmg ( hdiutil convert ubuntu.iso -format UDRW -o ubuntu.dmg ), the file shows up as long as the hdiutil is processing, then disappears suddunly
[00:45] <charlin322> yeah
[00:45] <charlin322> thanks
[00:45] <Mr-Protocol> they also have command line FTK Imager on AccessData's site for linux
[00:45] <charlin322> really>
[00:45] <charlin322> ?
[00:46] <charlin322> just like startx?
[00:46] <dr_willis> why do you need a dmg Salmiaka ?
[00:47] <Salmiaka> to make a live usb (I'm following this : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/How%20to%20install%20Ubuntu%20on%20MacBook%20using%20USB%20Stick )
[00:48] <Nmk543> I'm having problems playing wmv files that use VC1 codec. Can I convert those files to some other format or how are there any other solutions for viewing them?
[00:48] <Salmiaka> and, .img are automaticly converted in .dmg s
[00:48] <charlin322> you can input sudo apt-get install unetbootin?
[00:49] <Mr-Protocol> Nmk543, VLC?
[00:49] <Mr-Protocol> Nmk543, or you can use handbreak to convert
[00:49] <Nmk543> Mr-Protocol: I've tried with VLC, SMplayer and Totem.
[00:49] <dr_willis> Salmiaka:  as far as i lnow you can treat the newer ubuntu iso files as .img files they are  the special boot formt iso that can be dd'd directly to a usb flash drive
[00:49] <Nmk543> Mr-Protocol: Ok, I'll give that a try, thanks!
[00:49] <dr_willis> Salmiaka:  id also check the pendrivelinux site for tools and guides that may  be mor eup to date
[00:49] <Salmiaka> thank you :)
[00:49] <dr_willis> Salmiaka:  my iMac couldent boot from USb  so i  never reaslly made a boot usb for it
[00:50] <Salmiaka> I'm going to try first to dd it as a .img
[00:51] <Salmiaka> thank you very much
[00:53] <Salmiaka> how many times takes a dd of a 700mo .iso ?
[00:53] <dr_willis> Salmiaka:  you can dd the iso files for normal ubuntu straight to usb. been able to do so since like 12.04
[00:53] <root_> ?
[00:53] <dr_willis> Salmiaka:  you did  use a bs=4M option?
[00:53] <dr_willis> root_: ? not a good idea to irc as root.
[00:54] <Salmiaka> 1M, according to the thing i read
[00:54] <dr_willis> Salmiaka:  as long as you dident use the default. ;) should take  it a few min.
[00:54] <dr_willis> vs  30+ if you hadent
[00:54] <dr_willis> this is assuming you CAN do the dd trick with the PPC iso files..
[00:55] <Salmiaka> xD
[00:55] <Salmiaka> we'll see
[00:55] <dr_willis> i had way to many issues with all the ppc linux's i tried..
[00:55] <dr_willis> main issue was the monitor was out of adjustment to the left about 4 characers (half an inch or more)
[00:55] <Nmk543> Can I can play the wmv files that use the VC1 codec on Ubuntu. Or do I have to convert them to something else first?
[00:56] <dr_willis> then the fact the imacdv i had was so lacking in specs.
[00:56] <dr_willis> Nmk543:  check the vlc homepage/faq - it might be able to play them. it shouldent be to hard to convert however.
[00:56] <Salmiaka> i used this : sudo dd if=/Users/user/Desktop/ubuntu.iso of=/dev/disk1 bs=1m
[00:57] <ubuntu> nick charlin
[00:57] <Salmiaka> well, i had a computer with fedora 5 years ago
[00:57] <Salmiaka> but no linux from that time
[00:57] <Salmiaka> so i forgot almost everything
[00:57] <wilee-nilee> Nmk543, I believe wmv is just a container for various types use what you can convert the others.
[00:57] <dr_willis> Salmiaka:  the shell basics still apply
[00:58] <dr_willis> Salmiaka:  i used os-x 's shell on my imac mainly as a ssh 'terminal' but it still  basically was so old.. it was annoying. ;) My RaspberryPI works as a better terminal for me.
[00:58] <Salmiaka> dr_willis: yeah but, the main doc is in english, i can understand it, but it's not that natural to me
[00:59] <dr_willis> Salmiaka:  there should be guides on bash in almost any language thats out there. ;) bash has been around for decades. or what main doc are you refering to?
[00:59] <Salmiaka> well, i'm more thinking about problem solvation
[01:00] <Salmiaka> how to say
[01:00] <megaCarrot> Hello.
[01:01] <Salmiaka> I usually don't ask, i look for people who asked barely the same thing;
[01:01] <Salmiaka> Hello megaCarrot .
[01:01] <megaCarrot> I have an issue with xubuntu where there seems to be a lot of disk latency issues while writing to and reading from the same disk.  The issue is that the problem doesn't exist when using normal unity or gnome-panel. It's the same setup with the same disk mounted the same way.
[01:02] <megaCarrot> Certain software like vlc for example will really lag when reading from the disk that's being written to.
[01:02] <megaCarrot> Those under the same circumstances in standard ubuntu the issue doesn't exist.
[01:02] <megaCarrot> In fact it works flawlessly.
[01:06] <dr_willis> so vlc in xubuntu is laggy. in ubuntu its not - while playing the same file from the same hard drive
[01:07] <megaCarrot> dr_willis: yep exactly.  Also while downloading the same file
[01:07] <megaCarrot> I looked at iotop and the rates are very similar
[01:07] <dr_willis> you mean playing from a network stream?/website?
[01:07] <megaCarrot> dr_willis: no the file is local
[01:08] <megaCarrot> dr_willis: the file is on the same disk as the one being written to.
[01:08] <dr_willis> as a test.. see if lubuntu/lxde has  the same issue.
[01:08] <dr_willis> so the video playback is laggy only while the disk is beint written to at the same time in xxubuntu. but ok in ubuntu?
[01:08] <megaCarrot> I could do that dr_willis.
[01:09] <megaCarrot> dr_willis: yep you got it
[01:09] <Salmiaka> dr_willis: i think i'm going to give up : dd hasn't finished yet xD
[01:09] <dr_willis> Salmiaka:  theres some way on linux to monitot dd progress.. but you are using dd under OS-X correct? so that mathod may not work
[01:10] <dr_willis> is your imac even using USB-2 ports? Mine was usb-1 it was so old. ;)
[01:10] <dr_willis> which made it very slow
[01:11] <Salmiaka> I think it's usb-1
[01:11] <kenneth_> hello
[01:11] <Salmiaka> lspci isn't it ?
[01:11] <Salmiaka> not for mac
[01:12] <dr_willis> now you know why i basically gave up on my imac ;)
[01:12] <dr_willis> 700mb over usb1 may take quiet a bit of time
[01:12] <Salmiaka> Yeah. xD
[01:13] <Salmiaka> But i hate this software
[01:13] <dr_willis> you can makie the usb on other pcs
[01:13] <Salmiaka> they'd sell you the air you breathe if they could ...
[01:13] <Salmiaka> and, it's like a challenge now °°
[01:13] <dr_willis> you got os-X on the imac?  Id  have to say - it ran better then any linux i put on it did.  but all I used it for was a Serial-terminal basically
[01:14] <Salmiaka> yeah
[01:14] <dr_willis> there might be some other disrtos to try out for PPC also. i dont evenknwo what ones exist any more
[01:14] <Salmiaka> disrtos ?
[01:14] <dr_willis> wonder if good old MINIX is out for ppc. ;)
[01:14] <dr_willis> YellowDog used to be a common ppc linux disrto.  i cant even recall any others
[01:14] <dr_willis> Debian still has a PPC port
[01:16] <Salmiaka> (what time is it by your side ?)
[01:16] <dr_willis> i got 9pm here. ;)
[01:17] <Salmiaka> I think I won't get this hard (Minix)
[01:17] <dr_willis> Minix is a neat little OS  ;) but it is command line only as far as i rember.
[01:17] <dr_willis> debian should also work
[01:18] <Salmiaka> I just wanted to put something better than OSX, but you told me it wasn't worthing it.
[01:18] <dr_willis> but Minix is not Linux.  Ubuntu should work. but ive had so many other issues with Linux on a PPC imac.. other then a command line system..  it was barely useable
[01:18] <dr_willis> it depends on what you want to do with it. and your system specs i guess also.
[01:19] <dr_willis> and i doubt if any of  the other disrots will run  'better' then os-x does.
[01:19] <Salmiaka> 512  + 256  Mo DDR SDRAM
[01:19] <dr_willis> so you got  .7gb of ram?
[01:19] <Salmiaka> minecraft doesn't really runs with this
[01:20] <Salmiaka> yeah
[01:20] <dr_willis> minecrafte on that old a machine? :) good luck with that.
[01:20] <Salmiaka> xD
[01:20] <Salmiaka> (eats a lot of memory, for cubes ...)
[01:20] <dr_willis> assuming you can even find a mondern java that supports ppc.. (at least its not flash you need)
[01:21] <jefeti> hi need help with black screen after installing ubuntu on an old Toshiba Satellite 1400
[01:21] <Salmiaka> and, furthermore, i've no more cigarettes, so i'd get angry for nothing
[01:21] <jefeti> tried with boot options with no results
[01:22] <dr_willis> you tried nomodeset jefeti ? what is your video chipset?
[01:22] <Salmiaka> so, dr_willis , it's 3:22 am here, and i'll stop seeking I think
[01:22] <Salmiaka> (dd hasn't finished yed ...)
[01:24] <dr_willis> let it run overnight. ;0
[01:24] <unclezipper> Hey, I'm running a LM 15 XFCE live CD on a laptop with Windows 7. Just wanted to see, does anybody know if you can install Windows on a VM by copying one of those recovery partitions they like to put on Windows installations nowadays?
[01:24] <Salmiaka> yeah maybe
[01:24] <Salmiaka> xD
[01:25] <dr_willis> unclezipper:   i would be suprised if that worked. You could restore the image to a hard drive perhaps. then image THAT to a file/run it in the vm. but i would bet the windows copy protection/activation schemd would kick in.
[01:26] <dr_willis> You could  alwyas try imageing the restore partuon and having the vm boot it and see what happens. but i would be suprised if it worked
[01:26] <unclezipper> dr_willis: Thanks for the input. Was just wondering if that might be practical. I suppose I'll have to install a "totally legitimate" copy
[01:26] <dr_willis> ive not had much luck moveing hd's with restore partions to other machines by the same company.  they alwyas demanded the specific hardware
[01:26] <megaCarrot> I have an issue with xubuntu where there seems to be a lot of disk latency issues while writing to and reading from the same disk.  The issue is that the problem doesn't exist when using normal unity or gnome-panel. It's the same setup with the same disk mounted the same way. Certain software like vlc for example will really lag when reading from the disk that's being written to. Those under the same circumstances in standard ubuntu
[01:26] <Salmiaka> dr_willis: i just remind my first rm mistake xD
[01:28] <Salmiaka> rm -fR /user , according to a ***'s advice
[01:28] <Salmiaka> (or something like that)
[01:30] <dr_willis> the biggest daanger i see to a ubuntu box in this channel.. is the user doing somthing stupid. ;)
[01:31] <Salmiaka> box ?
[01:35] <Salmiaka> well, in french we say "les problèmes d'ordinateurs se situent entre le siege et l'écran" which means litteraly "computer problems are located between the screen and the seat"
[01:36] <knnl4110> Anyone know why I can't select "Enable PAE/NX" in the VirtaulBox?
[01:36] <wilee-nilee> megaCarrot, what is your chip speed and ram amount, what have you modified, and how full is the hard drive, three questions here.
[01:37] <Salmiaka> good night everyone
[01:37] <EXT4> hi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[01:38] <megaCarrot> wilee-nilee: I have the Intel i5-3570K cpu with 8GB of ram.  As for what I have modified, nothing other than install nvidia-current, nvidia-settings and the libvdpau1.  The drive can at times get pretty full but the issue exists even when it was free with 70Gb free.
[01:39] <megaCarrot> wilee-nilee: I have a nvidia 8800GT graphics card if that helps any as well
[01:39] <wilee-nilee> megaCarrot, Full HD's can be a problem even in linux, that would be my first suspicion, however a bit loose in empirical support.
[01:40] <cemerick> how can I get ubuntu to remember my keyboard backlight setting after sleeping or restarts?  Macbook Air 4,2, FWIW.
[01:40] <megaCarrot> wilee-nilee: I used Ubuntu for years with the same drive setup and usage patterns.  It was never an issue there and my drive was full frequently.   I only have this issue with xubuntu
[01:41] <wilee-nilee> megaCarrot, could be a whole host of variables, all you can do is knock them out one by one.
[01:42] <megaCarrot> wilee-nilee: one thing I know is that one two similar installs, ubuntu vs xubuntu.  The issue only exists on xubuntu.
[01:43] <wilee-nilee> megaCarrot, same computer, and different installs=different partitions?
[01:43] <megaCarrot> wilee-nilee: same computer and same install method on same partition with the same packages installed after
[01:44] <megaCarrot> it even exists if I install xubuntu desktop and remove ubuntu desktop
[01:44] <megaCarrot> xubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-desktop packages
[01:45] <wilee-nilee> megaCarrot, The only thing I can say is so many variables that all you can do is knock them out. If you think the irc can help thats fine, I have no more to add really. ;)
[01:45] <megaCarrot> wilee-nilee: I guess I was looking for something to grab onto, maybe an idea.
[01:45] <megaCarrot> Thank you though.
[01:45] <Marlenee_r> how can i make file that make "apt-get" install for programmes lsit
[01:46] <wentknweqt> Marlenee_r, what does that mean?
[01:46] <Marlenee_r> i need to install list of programmes from reposties ubuntu
[01:47] <Marlenee_r> and i want to install it one time
[01:47] <wentknweqt> why not do them all?
[01:47] <wentknweqt> like apt-get install pkg1 pkg2 pkg3 etc?
[01:47] <wilee-nilee> Marlenee_r sudo apt-get install "package" "package" without the quotes of course
[01:49] <EXT4> hi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[01:50] <wilee-nilee> !ot | EXT4
[01:50] <wilee-nilee> EXT4, Got an issue post it. ;)
[01:51] <pvl1> i have many, all not really ubuntu related
[01:51] <wilee-nilee> !tmi | pvl1 ;)
[01:52] <wilee-nilee> just ribbing you. ;)
[01:52] <pvl1> lol thanks wilee-nilee
[01:52] <pvl1> WAIT THERE IS one
[01:53] <pvl1> i installed the official nvidia drivers, and removed noveauosdfjjshg (spelling?) and all my fonts were absolutly huge in lubuntu
[01:53] <pvl1> it was weird. like the DPI quadrupled. i had to get my fonts down to like 6-8 in size... on a 52 inch tv
[01:53] <wilee-nilee> pvl1, Can't wait till you get a kernel update/upgrade.
[01:53] <pvl1> its just not proportial
[01:54] <wentknweqt> Marlenee, you can do this: for i in `cat packages.txt`; do (new line) apt-get install $i (new line) done
[01:54] <pvl1> wilee-nilee: i learned that the heard way. matter of fact that should be on my to do list. to hold back the kernel thanks for remind me
[01:54] <pvl1> wentknweqt: no need for new line
[01:54] <wilee-nilee> pvl1, Ah, you have been through that, excellent. ;)
[01:54] <wentknweqt> pvl1, really?
[01:55] <pvl1> wentknweqt: the ; implies seperate statements
[01:55] <pvl1> for ; do; done;
[01:55] <pvl1> im nto sure about the last ; tho
[01:55] <wentknweqt> sweet, thank you
[01:55] <pvl1> wilee-nilee: oh yea excellent indeed. but you think theres nothign i can do about the fonts being all weird except for keep playing with it
[01:55] <pvl1> wentknweqt: no problem
[02:00] <pvl1> oh wait heres a more intersting problem. im running lubuntu with i3, and at times my system will ranomly remount to RO
[02:01] <pvl1> and even ls responds command not found
[02:04] <dr_willis> if /   gets rempounted 'read only' that may  be the system detecting a filesystem or hard drive issue and  a failsafe setting kicking in.
[02:04] <dr_willis> id check 'dmesg' output and look for any error messages.
[02:04] <dr_willis> id definatly be making sure you had some good backups made.
[02:05] <pvl1> dr_willis: not an important system. just a roadwarrier microsd i keep around
[02:05] <tdlam> Hi folks am having a weird issue. I cant suddenly open my .odt files or pdf files form one of my folders. I get a FILE DOES NOT EXIST error. I put the folder on an external drive hooked it up to my windows machine and can open em fine. So they are not currupted.
[02:05] <dr_willis> pvl1:  fsck it. or try zeroing it with dd. then reformating it..  might kick it back in line
[02:05] <tdlam> running Lubuntu
[02:05] <dr_willis> tdlam:  try to access them via the terminal.
[02:05] <pvl1> dr_willis: ugh so much work
[02:06] <pvl1> dr_willis: i shall def look into dmesg tho
[02:06] <dr_willis> pvl1:  throw it in the trash then ;)
[02:06] <tdlam> ok how do I do that friend? sorry don't know the commnds
[02:06] <dr_willis> of course it could be the slot reader, or the cords
[02:06] <dr_willis> tdlam:     cd /place/where/the/file/are/at
[02:06] <dr_willis> ls -al    to se eif the files are there
[02:07] <dr_willis> whatevercommandtoppenthefile   whatever.odt   to try to  edit them
[02:07] <qin> man whatevercommandtoopenthefile
[02:07] <dr_willis> its possile theres some filesystem issue on the  external hd.
[02:07] <dr_willis> or some funny characters in the path/filename
[02:08] <tdlam> nope says no such file or directory
[02:08] <dr_willis> tdlam:  and whats the exact command you are using? and use the  TAB to be sure you are spelling things right.
[02:08] <dr_willis> spaces in the path/name will also confiuse things ;)
[02:08] <wilee-nilee> tdlam, This on a a external with a ntfs partition?
[02:09] <tdlam> no its resident on my Lubuntu hard drive
[02:09] <zeta-> tdlam: Being an ext. drive, it might be mounted in a different place
[02:09] <wilee-nilee> or ntfs altogether
[02:10] <dr_willis> tdlam:  so  cd to each dirctory  in turn.. following the proper path.. look in each directory.. see if stuff looks correct till you find the files
[02:10] <Guest56473> hello, everybody, i have a bit of an issue. i am running ubuntu 13.04 via a flash drive. i am in "try out" mode. i am trying to watch flash videos on sites such as youtube. how can i do this using my situation? everywhere i have looked online has given me advice that has not worked. thank you in advance.
[02:11] <tdlam> i copied it to an external as well to see if I could at least open the file in windows and I can...so they aren't currupt. I was in the folder in the terminal ok but when i tried to open the file I get the error
[02:11] <dr_willis> Guest56473:  easiest thing to do would be to enable the 'webm' option at youtubes config page. to use html5/webm instead of flash.. or install the flash player from the repos as a second possible fix
[02:12] <dr_willis> tdlam:  so exactly what command did you try to open the file?
[02:12] <tdlam> I put the file name in terminal and hit enter
[02:12] <dr_willis> tdlam:  so EXACTLY what command did you use?
[02:12] <Guest56473> thank you dr_willis i will give that a shot and let you know how it works
[02:12] <pvl1> dr_willis: didnt even know that exsisted. trying that asap
[02:12] <qin> tdlam: can yuo copy (drag'n'drop) file into Desktop?
[02:13] <tdlam> I'll try brb
[02:13] <format> hi all, im in ubuntu 12.04. I there any way to see wich files will create the "sudo apt-get install SomeProg" in my file system? Sorry for my bad english. Tanks
[02:13] <thinknow> Hi
[02:13] <thinknow> sudo apt-get remove libimobiledevice3
[02:13] <thinknow> Reading package lists... Done
[02:13] <thinknow> Building dependency tree
[02:13] <thinknow> Reading state information... Done
[02:13] <thinknow> The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
[02:13] <FloodBot1> thinknow: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:13] <dr_willis> pvl1:  not all of youtubes videos work in html5/webm at this time
[02:13] <psingh> Guest56473, If you haven't tried it this might work: sudo apt-get --yes install adobe-flashplugin adobe-flash-properties-gtk
[02:14] <thinknow> anyone have an idea what happens if i press yes here?
[02:14] <pvl1> aw :(
[02:14] <qin> format: look into inotify, or strace () or read man for ls (time sensitive listing) and find
[02:14] <tdlam> can drag and drop it ok but wont open from desktop either
[02:14] <wilee-nilee> thinknow, Pastebin all the text
[02:14] <dr_willis> thinknow:  it will remove the files and install the files its saying it will install.
[02:14] <wilee-nilee> !pastebin | thinknow
[02:14] <pvl1> !pastebin | psingh
[02:14] <thinknow> i dont want libimobiledevice3, but why do i have to delete so many files
[02:14] <thinknow> apps*
[02:15] <pvl1> oop
[02:15] <pvl1> sorry psingh wrong person
[02:15] <dr_willis> thinknow:  why are you so worried about a libimobiledevice3 ?
[02:15] <nreynold> can someone pm me, I need some help getting my audio to work
[02:15] <thinknow> dr_willis, it take so many processes
[02:15] <psingh> pvl1, that's only one line.  Check.
[02:15] <dr_willis> !sound  > nreynold
[02:15] <thinknow> and use 20-25 of my cpu
[02:15] <thinknow> sometimes 90%
[02:15] <wilee-nilee> nreynold, you want the channels help post your issues.
[02:15] <format> qin: Thanks dude!  Another..trace is for the system call write? there is no easy way to see wich files will extract a .deb file ?
[02:15] <qin> tdlam: now in terminal: cd Desktop; chmod 777 YOUR_File_name; and click again?
[02:15] <dr_willis> thinknow:  sounds like a bug you should be looking into.
[02:16] <tdlam> ok Ill try BRB ty for the help guys BTW
[02:16] <thinknow> so i shouldnt delete it
[02:16] <thinknow> ? ;)
[02:16] <dr_willis> thinknow:  i would look at the bug reports, and forums, and askubuntu.com
[02:17] <qin> format: I suspect inotify, or iotop (not sure if it logs)
[02:19] <Guest56473> dr_willis how to i install the flash player from the repos? the webm thing did not work. thank you
[02:19] <Modesto_Eber> Hello everyone, Modesto_Eberhere and i'm here and ready to DDoS.
[02:19] <tdlam> chmosd tells me no such file or directory in both the orginal folder on in desktop where I copied it
[02:19] <dr_willis> Guest56473:  using the package manager tools same as you install anything else... someone gave you the command earflier to use from the command line
[02:19] <dr_willis> !flash | Guest56473
[02:19] <tdlam> *chomd
[02:19] <tdlam> *chmod
[02:19] <Guest56473> thanks
[02:19] <tdlam> lol
[02:20] <dr_willis> tdlam:   you are using the tab key and spelloing thingss right? ls does show the files or not?
[02:20] <qin> tdlam: what does: ls -l ~/Desktop; says?
[02:21] <tdlam> I am spelling right. Im doing a straight copy and paste of the file name yes and I open the folder in terminal...could the fact I have my home directory encrypted be bonking these files in some way?
[02:21] <Guest56473> it doesnt come up. i dont have ubuntu installed, i am using the "try out" version
[02:21] <dr_willis> tdlam:  do does 'ls' show the files?
[02:22] <tdlam> brb TY
[02:22] <dr_willis> tdlam:  try a 'ls -al /the/path/to/the/file'
[02:22] <dr_willis> Guest56473:  what dosent come up?
[02:22] <wilee-nilee> Guest56473, Is the usb persistent?
[02:22] <Guest56473> never mind i found what i was doing wrong
[02:22] <wilee-nilee> cool
[02:23]  * wilee-nilee mutters youtube yeah right.
[02:23] <tdlam> the files show up file with ls
[02:24] <psingh> Guest56473, you need to enable the repositories.  Run "Software & Updates" from Dash, and select all the reposotories.
[02:24] <dr_willis> tdlam:  so does 'file thenameofthefile'   work?
[02:24] <tdlam> brb ty
[02:24] <Guest56473> i got flash to install using the link that was sent to me by ubottu
[02:25] <Guest56473> i appreciate your patience with me, i am an ubuntu newbie
[02:25] <dr_willis> Guest56473:  with out a persistant save file setup - it wont survive a reboot.
[02:25] <dr_willis> Guest56473:  you can do a 'full' normal install to a flash drive.  if you cant do a normal insrtall to a real hard drive
[02:26] <tdlam> no still get the error no such file or directory ebevn though termianl is in the directory and "ls" sees the files. weird
[02:26] <Guest56473> how do i do that
[02:27] <wilee-nilee> Guest56473, Full install or persistent?
[02:27] <Guest56473> persistent. my flash drive isn't big enough for a full install
[02:28] <dr_willis> same as you would install to a real hard drive.. Plug in a 2nd usb flash drive  of lik e8+GB in side, and install to it.. be sure GRUB installs to that USB's mbr also.  then yuou can boot it and use it as you would a nomrla install
[02:28] <dr_willis> how did you make the first USB flash  Guest56473 ?
[02:28] <qin> tdlam: would be kind enough of pastebin, or even paste; ls -la Desktop; head Desktop/Name_of_your_file
[02:29] <Guest56473> ok that would be my problem - my flash drive is only 4 gb
[02:29] <syntac> what login manager does ubuntu use and what file can i put in commands to run before my X wm starts up? (.xinitrc doesn't do anything)
[02:29] <wilee-nilee> Guest56473, http://askubuntu.com/questions/138356/how-do-i-get-a-live-usb-to-use-a-partition-for-persistence
[02:29] <Guest56473> ok thank you
[02:29] <wilee-nilee> Guest56473, Has a non partition option shown as well.
[02:29] <Guest56473> i honestly have no idea i really havent the first clue what i am doing
[02:30] <qin> syntac: lightdm; sudo cron -e
[02:30] <dr_willis> syntac:   .xinitrc or .xsession can be used. but it wont run those  AND your X session,  theres specific X login sessions lightdm can use to run either of those 2 session fles... OR you can use  .config/autorun  to launch things when you log in to most of the stndard desktops
[02:30] <wilee-nilee> Guest56473, We have all been there and at times still are. ;)
[02:30] <ctcb> I have a problem with my USB Stick, I used it to try and boot an installer of Windows 8 64-Bit and it didn't work, but now my USB Stick is read only and I can't delete the files from it to reinstall the ISO.
[02:31] <dr_willis> ctcb:  so exactly how did you put windows 8 on the usb?
[02:31] <wilee-nilee> ctcb, what OS are you running?
[02:31] <Guest56473> if i buy a bigger flash drive i would be able to do a full install, i know that definitely. i will do that tomorrow. thanks for the help guys. have a good night.
[02:31] <ctcb> wilee-nilee, I'm running ubuntu, but I need a USB Stick for my Main PC that is windows, as I accidentally corrupted it.
[02:32] <qin> ctcb: did you try dd?
[02:32] <wilee-nilee> ctcb, If you install and open gparted and unmount it it should wipe.
[02:32] <tdlam> this is the file that is giving me trouble it wont open on desktop or in original folder...here's the readout for it    -rw-rw-r--  1 tdlam tdlam  133369 Aug 14 09:36 DSA_154_Notice of Deviation #10 Sprinkler changes 6-24-13.pdf
[02:32] <syntac> dr_willis, i'm using xmonad and the standard scripts (in /etc/X11/Xsession.d) aren't correctly loading my .Xresources file. also i'd like to start up a few apps by default, which i have in .xsession, but it isn't being executed
[02:32] <ctcb> dr_willis, I used "dd bs=4M if=WINDOWS864BIT.ISO of=/dev/sdb1"
[02:32] <ctcb> wilee-nilee, It won't unmount or gpart it.
[02:32] <dr_willis> ctcb:  if you Imaged the iso file directtly to the USB then you want to zero that usb..   with dd...
[02:32] <dr_willis> ctcb:  and your dd command to make that usb from that iso was wrong by the way..
[02:33] <dr_willis> ctcb:  you wanted to use /dev/sdb   NOT sdb1
[02:33] <pvl1> dr_willis: may i pm u
[02:33] <dr_willis> pvl1:  you can. but im at work and may have to leave without notice
[02:33] <pvl1> dr_willis: its no rush
[02:33] <wilee-nilee> ctcb, if you get it cleaned, all you need is a ntfs with a boot flag and extract the win iso with the archive manager to it
[02:33] <ctcb> dr_willis, Disk Utility says my USB Stick is SDB1.
[02:34] <dr_willis> ctcb:  no... the first PARTITION on the usb is sdb1   the device itself is sdb
[02:34] <dr_willis> you image the iso file to the DEVICe. not the partion on the device
[02:34] <dr_willis> ctcb:  seen people do this mistake 100's of times
[02:34] <ctcb> How do I wipe the drive?
[02:34] <dr_willis> use the dd command again to put the iso onto sdb   not sdb1
[02:35] <ctcb> I need to wipe it first.
[02:35] <dr_willis> or use dd  if=/dev/zero   ........ to zero out the device then repartion it if you dont want to mess with the iso any more
[02:35] <qin> ctcb: /dev/null
[02:35] <dr_willis> you DONT need to wipe it first   i think
[02:35] <dr_willis> it wont care whats on it..if you dd the iso to sdb
[02:35] <dr_willis> zero it - IF you want to put a vfat/ntfs/ext2/3/4 partion on it..
[02:36] <wdkevinone> I am running 12.10 in a VM with Unity. I just installed CrashPlan and set it up and VMWare through a lock file error and shut down. After booting up I can login but then I get a blank screen. I can login via guest, but when using my primary account I just get a blank screen. Help?
[02:36] <tdlam> ok I guess its a no go...Thanks anyway guys. Guess its reformat and reinstall this OS....looks like I got something to do this weekend to keep me busy
[02:36] <ctcb> dr_willis, would sudo shred -v /dev/sdb work?
[02:36] <dr_willis> ctcb:  why do you need to shred it?
[02:36] <ctcb> dr_willis, to destroy the data.
[02:37] <dr_willis> dd can zero it in like 5 seconds. you then repartion it as needed
[02:37] <ctcb> I think the files are corrupted.
[02:37] <dr_willis> ctcb:  from what youve said.. looke like you made the usb wrong from the iso.
[02:37] <dr_willis> and dd can zero the device and erase it
[02:37] <tdlam> @ ctcb try using Dbans boot and nuke
[02:37] <qin> tdlam: cd ~/Desktop; cp DS<TAB> test.pdf; chmod 777 test.pdf
[02:37] <ctcb> dr_willis, When I try dd it comes back with "Read-only file system"
[02:38] <dr_willis> ctcb:  whats the exact command you are using?
[02:38] <ctcb> dr_willis, sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=1M
[02:39] <qin> tdlam: has head command shown some binary bloat, or erred
[02:39] <dr_willis> ctcb:  thats very weird.. its possible the usb flash has some other issues going on. ive  zeroed them out with that command dozens of times.
[02:39] <ctcb> It was fine before I wrote the iso to it.
[02:40] <tdlam> I dont know what that is sorry
[02:40] <wdkevinone> I am running 12.10 in a VM with Unity. I just installed CrashPlan and set it up and VMWare through a lock file error and shut down. After booting up I can login but then I get a blank screen. I can login via guest, but when using my primary account I just get a blank screen. Help?
[02:40] <qin> tdlam: man head; it is  top part of cat
[02:40] <ctcb> Ah well, this is the problems with computers that don't come with CD/DVD Drives.
[02:40] <ctcb> XD
[02:41] <dr_willis> tdlam:  my guess would be either you are accessing the file in a weird way. or the filesystem has issues.    You may want to have windows check the filesystem if its a NTFS disk
[02:41] <dr_willis> ctcb:  everything is  'fine' untiill they break. ;)
[02:42] <dr_willis> ctcb:  make sure theres no switch on the usb to make it read only. ;) and i definatly have seen flash drives fail and go 'read only'
[02:42] <ctcb> Although, weirdly, the shred command isn't effected by the read-only thing.
[02:42] <ctcb> dr_willis, It's so small that the probably isn't space for one. :P
[02:42] <tdlam> it is not NTFS its resident on Lubuntu.  I only copied it to an external once to see if I could open it with windows as a way to see if its currupt. It opens fine in windows. But BOTH my lubuntu machines wont open the files copied or otherwise
[02:43] <mojtaba> Hi, Should I run chmod 750 $HOME ?
[02:43] <Ennio_Asklepiade> Hello everyone, Ennio_Asklepiadeshere and i'm here and ready to DDoS.
[02:43] <mojtaba> I mean is it needed?
[02:43] <jrib> mojtaba: if that's what you want
[02:43] <mojtaba> for security reasons
[02:43] <qin> mojtaba: Why?
[02:43] <jrib> mojtaba: default is 755, but 750 is fine
[02:43] <mojtaba> 755 is secure?
[02:44] <jrib> mojtaba: secure from what?
[02:45] <tdlam> ok I'll just nuke it all as I said...I have the os imaged form a previous version so I'll just deply it back on the wekend. I need to acess those files for work and I patently REFUSE to use windows fort anything other than gaming. I'm a linux guy 100%
[02:45] <mojtaba> jrib: I want to increase security of my laptop. I have no idea if it is a good implementation or not!
[02:45] <jrib> mojtaba: do you have multiple users on your laptop?
[02:46] <qin> mojtaba: is it encrypted?
[02:46] <stayonthehustle> mojtaba: each one of those 3 numbers mean something.. Owner, Group, Others. Depends on who you want to give access to.
[02:46] <tdlam> thanks for the help guys I appreciate it. I know may way around some but dunno much command line stuff like you good folks do
[02:46] <mojtaba> jrib: No it is not encrypted.
[02:46] <ctcb> dr_willis, I accidentally murdered my Windows PC in the stupidest of ways.
[02:46] <dr_willis> do you have the laptop chained around the neck of a rabbid attack dog? ;)
[02:46] <dr_willis> rabid.
[02:47] <dr_willis> ctcb:  normally i find windows kills itself off ;)
[02:47] <mojtaba> Can network someone else in the LAN have access to my /home ?
[02:47] <Wulframn> mojtaba, why isn't it encrypted if security is a concern?
[02:47] <dr_willis> mojtaba:  depends on what services you have running.. doubtfull if they can get to your stuff without you doing things
[02:47] <dr_willis> to allow them to do so
[02:47] <mojtaba> Wulframn: I am a newbie. :-P I do not know how to do that.
[02:47] <Wulframn> ! encryption
[02:48] <dr_willis> mojtaba:  if you are a newbie. then i would guess that you are being worried about things that are not a problem
[02:48] <mojtaba> Wulframn: Thanks
[02:48] <Wulframn> also what dr_willis said
[02:48] <Wulframn> Generally you only need security if you know why you need security and what you're protecting against
[02:48] <dr_willis> if you dont have samba. or nfs, or ssh going.. then your system is pertty much not open to anyone else on the lan doing much of anything to it
[02:49] <ctcb> dr_willis, I downloaded the latest Linux Kernal Files and extracted them to my desktop (as I wanted to make my own Dist of Linux), but 7-zip was extracting them to the windows temp folder whilst it was doing it, and somehow the computer thought they were the boot files and it corrupted the boot, it just booted straight to recovery mode. So, my dreams of making a Linux Dist killed my Windows PC.
[02:49] <Arbition> read the Linux from scratch doco. here is not the place.
[02:50] <dr_willis> i cant evn imagine how windows7 would mistake  kernel source code for boot files for windows...
[02:50] <Wulframn> O.o
[02:50] <ctcb> I have no idea, but 7-zip says it replaced windows boot files, then i got a blue screen of death.
[02:50] <ctcb> :P:
[02:50] <Wulframn> Windows has learned how to adapt itself to superior technology
[02:50] <qin> has not
[02:50] <dr_willis> it will exterminate....
[02:50] <dr_willis> itself.
[02:50] <ctcb> Maybe some of the Linux boot files share the same name as windows boot files.
[02:51] <Ben64> nope
[02:51] <Arbition> no, it doesn't work like that.
[02:51] <dr_willis> ctcb:  none of which are on the root of the c:/ as far as i know.
[02:51] <ctcb> the temp folder is inside the windows folder.
[02:51] <ctcb> I have no idea how it did it though.
[02:51] <dr_willis> plus the source code sould get extracted to its own sub directoruy
[02:51] <ctcb> I now need to re-download all my steam games, again.
[02:51] <ctcb> All 350 of them.
[02:51] <ctcb> XD
[02:52] <Ben64> or join ##windows for windows support
[02:52] <dr_willis> backup your steam directory.
[02:52] <Arbition> I don't believe a word of this.
[02:52] <dr_willis> via the live cd.
[02:52] <ctcb> Ben64, I don't need Windows Support.
[02:52] <Ben64> you're talking about breaking windows, sounds like windows support issue
[02:52] <dr_willis> ive been leaning out my old steam games. stuff ive3 bought on the summer sale years ago and never played
[02:52] <ctcb> Yeah, I bought maybe $250 on Steam Summer Sale this year.
[02:53] <Wulframn> Arbition, what's so hard to accept about Windows trying to adapt itself and modify it's code to become an even more powerful pain in the butt?
[02:53] <dr_willis> $250?   thats a lot of 75% off games. ;)
[02:53] <ctcb> Biggest purchase was probably all the SIms 3 DLC at 50% off each.
[02:53] <ctcb> Which was $150.
[02:53] <dr_willis> sims3? egads. :)
[02:53] <krz> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tmux saucy salamander safe to use?
[02:54] <dr_willis> krz:  any ppa can cause issues..
[02:54] <ctcb> I'm really excited about GTA V, one month and two days away.
[02:54] <dr_willis> krz: tmux is in the default repos. so what are you needing that for exactly?
[02:54] <qin> krz: what tmux would improve?
[02:54] <krz> dr_willis: its 1.7 in the default repos
[02:54] <dr_willis> bbl
[02:54] <dr_willis> krz:  and theres some really really new featyre you just have to have?
[02:55] <Ben64> krz: you want to put saucy's version on raring?
[02:55] <krz> 1.8 has a lot of interesting changes. i.e mapping to tab keys, resize-pane, copy to x clipboard, etc
[02:55] <Arbition> his computah is skynet!!!
[02:55] <dr_willis> look for a ppa - would be the normal way.. we cant  say if any ppa will work or not. they are unsupported by us.
[02:56] <wilee-nilee> Got a stack of dvd-rw and brasero does not see them to format, had to use windows. Firts dvd's I have had I actually had to format is this normal.
[02:56] <Wulframn> Soon Microsoft terminators that look like paperclips will barge into our homes and demand we purchase licenses to use our computers. = /
[02:56] <alucardpotato> hey guys, so running ubuntu 13.04 raring and just started using Cinnamon, which I love, ONLY problem, every time I log in the whole desktop BG is black and NO icons, however
[02:57] <alucardpotato> if i open the file explorer, and close it. or open it twice sometimes, everything comes back .
[02:57] <Wulframn> Isn't cinnamon Mint's DE?
[02:57] <deezed> Wulframn: microsoft can be soooo anoying
[02:57] <wilee-nilee> Wulframn, You let us know when that happens, huh.
[02:57] <alucardpotato> nope cinnamon on ubuntu! :D
[02:58] <wilee-nilee> cinnamon is in the ubuntu repos, it is mints de
[02:58] <deezed> Wulframn: cinnamon was made by Mints developers, but its a desktop, you can install it if you want
[02:58] <zkini> hey, can't get my pendrive installation to boot from debian wheezy, any help available.. fdisk says it is bootable
[02:58] <wilee-nilee> raring only though
[02:58] <Wulframn> I see
[02:58] <alucardpotato> anyone else have this issue with raring?
[02:58] <deezed> wilee-nilee: true
[02:58] <sergio> hi
[02:58] <hplc> well after all, it has to be the windows terminator, Home edition
[02:58] <alucardpotato> saucy will certainly have cinnamon right?
[02:59] <qin> cinnamon with mint... interesting
[02:59] <Wulframn> lol
[02:59] <deezed> zkini: I would love to help you, but I think if you go to debian's channel would be better
[02:59] <alucardpotato> qin:  freshen your breath bro
[02:59] <Guest47592> hi
[02:59] <deezed> Guest47592: hey
[02:59] <Wulframn> HI!
[02:59] <alucardpotato> deezed:  u talkin ta me?
[03:00] <ctcb> Wulframn, Soon Microsoft Terminators will come in to your house and terminate all computers that aren't running Windows, all mobiles that aren't running Windows Mobile OS and all consoles that aren't Microsoft Approved (E.g: Xbox 360, One, etc.), then charge you a licensing fee for using them.
[03:00] <ctcb> :P
[03:00] <Guest47592> i'm amateur with ubuntu and have one problem with Skype. inverted cam
[03:00] <deezed> alucardpotato: no.. i was saying that to zkini
[03:00] <stayonthehustle> When you're distro hopping, do you partition out and boot or just run a virtual machine?
[03:00] <Wulframn> But...but I don't wanna live in that world... =c
[03:01] <wilee-nilee> stayonthehustle, No polling in the channel.
[03:01] <Wulframn> Guest47592, turn the camera upside-down.
[03:01] <Guest47592> whow i can put LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libv4l/v4l1compat.so skype
[03:01] <deezed> alucardpotato: anyway, I think you should try the normals ubuntu's desktop
[03:01] <alucardpotato> Guest47592:  you taalkin about screen sharing?
[03:01] <Guest47592> i have a laptop
[03:01] <deezed> alucardpotato: otherwise you can bug report this to cinnamon developers, and wait for an update
[03:02] <stayonthehustle> sorry wilnee-nilee, didn't realize that was polling. Was just curious and interested. :)
[03:02] <Wulframn> Turn the laptop upside down. done
[03:02] <wilee-nilee> stayonthehustle, No biggie just do what works for you.
[03:02] <alucardpotato> deezed: -.-   oh..  isn't GNOME 3 like the god desktop?  i'll try that
[03:02] <deezed> alucardpotato: I actually use kde, and 2 years ago I had soo many problems with black screen, now it's just stopped
[03:02] <zkini> deezed: will try there...
[03:02] <Ben64> Wulframn: please don't say anything if you're not going to help
[03:02] <stayonthehustle> Cool
[03:02] <deezed> zkini: ok
[03:03] <deezed> alucardpotato: I dont think so
[03:03] <deezed> alucardpotato: I've already had gnome 3, and kde4.
[03:03] <alucardpotato> deezed:  ah must be thinking of something else, so you're saying just use default unity?
[03:03] <deezed> alucardpotato: I can say gnome is pretty nice, but kde you can just configure many different activities in a really special way
[03:04] <pvizcay> Hi! I've a simple script, that is made into a daemon with daemons gem. The startup and stop is working well when run from the command line, but I'm not able to configure it to start automatically with init.d (ubuntu server 12.04). I've tryied "sudo update-rc.d ruby startdaemon.rb defaults with no luck (looks like it looks for just a command line without parameters). Any ideas? thanks
[03:04] <alucardpotato> deezed: so you currently using raring and kde?
[03:04] <deezed> alucardpotato: I'm saying to try kde
[03:04] <alucardpotato> deezed:  you've been bug free with raring and kde?
[03:04] <Wulframn> Alucardpotato, I recommend KDE, too.
[03:04] <deezed> alucardpotato: I know cinnamon because I have a dual boot with mint
[03:05] <alucardpotato> I'm dual booting windows 7
[03:05] <deezed> alucardpotato: if you want to be totally bug free man, just use unity default
[03:05] <deezed> alucardpotato: if you want to try a hole new desktop with many cool stuffs, but still with some bugs, I would recommend kde4
[03:05] <SonikkuAmerica> deezed: Not always true. I've seen FNOME and XGCE to both be virtually bug free
[03:05] <alucardpotato> deezed:  aggh, it's SO bad though...  i'ma try KDE,  is there an easy command line way to do it?
[03:06] <deezed> SonikkuAmerica: thats true, sorry. There are also xfce which is not heavy and very good
[03:06] <SonikkuAmerica> deezed: I meant GNOME and XFCE. Dang my fingers.
[03:06] <deezed> SonikkuAmerica: I was just talking about the most famous, which is a idiot thing to do
[03:06] <Wulframn> Openbi
[03:06] <Wulframn> Openbox
[03:07] <SonikkuAmerica> Wulframn: Did you know LXDE usually runs on top of Openbox in Lubuntu? (And there's an option to boot Openbox alone)
[03:07] <hdhzero> Hi, to execute the archive manager from command line I write file-roller. The libreoffice's writer is lowriter. What command do I use to find these executable's names? I tried dpkg-query -L but it didnt work
[03:07] <deezed> SonikkuAmerica: lol cmon, xfce is ugly, tooless, but its still even faster than unity
[03:07] <SonikkuAmerica> deezed: lol I beg to differ
[03:07] <Wulframn> SonikkuAmerica, no I didn't. =)
[03:08] <deezed> SonikkuAmerica: lol ok
[03:08] <deezed> alucardpotato: yes there is. 'sudo apt-get install kde'
[03:08] <SonikkuAmerica> deezed: lol I see a banana
[03:08] <deezed> alucardpotato: but its not the best thing to do
[03:08] <Wulframn> deezed, isn't there a smaller package atom? Or do you have to install the entire meta package?
[03:09] <deezed> SonikkuAmerica: yes that what I was saying
[03:09] <alucardpotato> deezed:  riiiiight,  that sudo apt-get thing isn't the most up to date right?
[03:09] <deezed> Wulframn: yes, but in this case its better to install the entire meta package. Buuut I would ask this for dr_willis
[03:09] <SonikkuAmerica> alucardpotato: To install the correct combo of (distinctly) Kubuntu packages, use [ sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ].
[03:10] <deezed> he certanly knows better than me about this kind of things
[03:10] <SonikkuAmerica> !kubuntu
[03:10] <Wulframn> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE
[03:10] <deezed> alucardpotato: yes ok. can be alos
[03:10] <deezed> *also
[03:11] <deezed> alucardpotato: i just dont use it...
[03:11] <alucardpotato> SonikkuAmerica:  i thought, flavours were like : ubuntu, mint, red-hat, fedora...  so these are distros, and   cinnamon kubuntu,lubuntu are flavorus?
[03:11] <deezed> anyway if you go to the #kde you will get much more better information
[03:12] <alucardpotato> ah i see thank you all
[03:12] <SonikkuAmerica> !flavors | alucardpotato: Yep
[03:12] <deezed> alucardpotato: lol is not that I dont want to help
[03:12] <SonikkuAmerica> alucardpotato: And Ubuntu-GNOME
[03:13] <alucardpotato> omg... i'm so damn dumb
[03:13] <alucardpotato> lol, how many flavors do people usually have to load?  is there a downside to having a lot?
[03:13] <alucardpotato> like in the log in screen chooser
[03:14] <SonikkuAmerica> alucardpotato: Usually a flavor has its own disc image.
[03:14] <deezed> alucardpotato: yes. if you have more than one installed, you can choose it on splash
[03:15] <alucardpotato> SonikkuAmerica:  ??!  that sounds very inconvenient I love that i can choose at the splash, what do you mean exactly like...  you can mount a cinnamon.iso?   or am i totally off?
[03:15] <krz> dr_willis: well its been a year already. when does will the official ppa for tmux be update
[03:15] <qin> alucardpotato: updates take longer
[03:16] <SonikkuAmerica> alucardpotato: To list all of them (DEs): Ubuntu (Unity), Kubuntu (KDE), Xubuntu (XFCE), Lubuntu (LXDE), Ubuntu GNOME (GNOME Shell), Edubuntu (Unity, GNOME or LTSP Server), Ubuntu Studio (XFCE - more for artists/producers/studio junkies), Mythbuntu (XFCE - for MythTV PVRs), and Ubuntu Kylin (official Chinese OS, runs Unity)
[03:16] <SonikkuAmerica> alucardpotato: In addition, we have Kubuntu Active, which is a Plasma Active image of the Kubuntu flavor.
[03:16] <deezed> alucardpotato: qin, updates take longer, but I think is easier
[03:17] <alucardpotato> qin:  ohhhhhh that makes sense... if i like KDE i'm removing all the others... lol
[03:17] <alucardpotato> it is simple to remove them right?  like it's not a hassle?
[03:17] <deezed> alucardpotato: no, you are not removing all the others by installing kde
[03:18] <deezed> alucardpotato: its simple to remove yes.... theoricaly
[03:18] <alucardpotato> deezed:  yeah i know, i'm saying IF i like KDE then i will manually remove the others.
[03:18] <deezed> alucardpotato: yes, but I would not advice you to do so
[03:19] <qin> I guess concept of pure X server for browser only is too radical
[03:19] <deezed> alucardpotato: kde is not your default desktop, so if you get any serious bug, you could just keep your unity easy
[03:19] <deezed> qin: I agree
[03:19] <alucardpotato> deezed:  oh well yeah, i actually didn't think it was possible to remove Unity hehe
[03:20] <xmetal> i have almost all those DE's listed above installed
[03:20] <xmetal> (though i rarely use unity at all)
[03:20] <alucardpotato> xmetal:  which one's your fave?
[03:20] <johnny_fly_SRB> Unity is the best :)
[03:20] <deezed> xmetal: yes, which? I'm actually courious
[03:21] <dr_willis> been  using Lubuntu here lately
[03:21] <xmetal> really it depends .. dont really have a favorite ... I am a fan of KDE, though i really do like Lubuntu, and XFCE
[03:21] <xmetal> (Xubuntu ?)
[03:21] <deezed> dr_willis: you think its better than kde though?
[03:22] <dr_willis> beeter or wors depends on your needs
[03:22] <xmetal> i just dont like unity for some reason .. i mess with it sometimes though
[03:22] <dr_willis> i find  kde a rather big hassle to actually use.
[03:22] <wilee-nilee> How do I run this,  dvd+rw-tools-dbg or format a dvd from the cli?
[03:22] <dr_willis> i end up turning off/remove/disabling all the kde extras to focus on the job i need to do
[03:22] <deezed> dr_willis: its kind of heavy.. is that the point?
[03:23] <dr_willis> the kde defaults seem rather.. unuseable by default also. ;)
[03:23] <dr_willis> but i havent really messed with kde in ages
[03:23] <burner_> kde is great!  qt is great!  razor-qt is lightweight!
[03:23] <dr_willis> razor-qt is a neat idea.  but  its not in the default repos last i looked
[03:24] <xmetal> Dr, i have a friend who will not upgrade slackware to anything above 12.2 cause they dont like KDE 4.x that much
[03:24] <burner_> it's not, i'm using a ppa for razor-qt
[03:24] <burner_> sounds like razor-qt and lxde are combining!  :)
[03:24] <qin> kinda miss Amarok, and silly Dolphin, and this unique Windows like feel of KDE
[03:24] <Marlenee> which tool used for wipe free space and erase
[03:24] <xmetal> it can get a bit "bloated" (KDE 4.x) though i guess thats a matter of opinion
[03:24] <deezed> burner_: really? I never thought about it
[03:24] <dr_willis> Marlenee:  erase what?
[03:24] <deezed> Marlenee: what do you mean?
[03:25] <burner_> overwrite
[03:25] <burner_> a la "eraser" on windows
[03:25] <qin> Marlenee: palimpset?
[03:25] <deezed> qin: amarok is great! dolphin agreed, its just silly
[03:25] <dr_willis> !details
[03:25] <dr_willis> what i want to do is .....
[03:25] <deezed> but the point about kde is that the default config is just so so bad, and windows like
[03:25] <Marlenee> burner_ : yes  i mean overwrite
[03:25] <dr_willis> deezed:  i just find it bad.. not windows like. ;)
[03:25] <burner_> control my sonos.... so i use genymotion to run an android emulator to run the sonos app :)
[03:25] <deezed> you defntly have to configure all your desktop...
[03:26] <Marlenee> burner_ : and wipe freespace
[03:26] <burner_> Marlenee: I wish I knew the answer... I just knew your question and how to do it in windows.
[03:26] <dr_willis> Marlenee:  overwrite what exactly?    you zero out the  drive to make undeleteion impossible?
[03:26] <deezed> dr_willis: its a bit like windows because there is this downside panel, with rightside launcher
[03:26] <alucardpotato> sooo,... wait... kubuntu is a distro...  KDE is a flavour?
[03:26] <johnny_fly_SRB> Fresh install precise 12.04 - install your favorite software - do not touch enything - and everything worck PERFECT :)
[03:27] <xmetal> !kubuntu
[03:27] <dr_willis> alucardpotato:  KDE is a desktop. Kubuntu is ubuntu with kde by default
[03:27] <Marlenee> burner_ : this channel is only for ubuntu
[03:27] <xmetal> :)
[03:27] <deezed> johnny_fly_SRB: why 12.04?
[03:27] <xmetal> i can use the bot too :P
[03:27] <Marlenee> !wipe
[03:27] <qin> Marlenee: press key with  windows logo, type disk, choose Disks utility, be carefull
[03:27] <burner_> Marlenee: http://wipefreespace.sourceforge.net/
[03:27] <xmetal> exactly @ Dr's post
[03:27] <johnny_fly_SRB> I dont now - I like them :)
[03:27] <dr_willis> Marlenee:  youmean to securely delete/erase a partion?
[03:27] <alucardpotato> dr_willis:  so i have ubuntu raring, now... i can add kde to my splash....  riiiight?
[03:28] <dr_willis> alucardpotato:  install the kubuntu-desktop package. and you will have both desktops
[03:28] <deezed> alucardpotato: yes, once you have installed it
[03:28] <dr_willis> dont forget to play woth lubuntu-desktop and xubuntu-desktop also
[03:28] <burner_> Marlenee: or u can use secure-delete's "sfill"  http://superuser.com/questions/19326/how-to-wipe-free-disk-space-in-linux
[03:28] <dr_willis> ;)
[03:28] <xmetal> i cant speak for Ubuntu since i use a fork of ubuntu (lets not get into that :P ) ... once installed i am guessing you can go to your "package manager" and download whatever DE's you wnat
[03:28] <Marlenee> dr_willis : yes for this one and wipe free space
[03:28] <deezed> alucardpotato: remember that when you install it, you will have to choose between your new splashes. Like gdm, kdm, lightdm etc
[03:28] <xmetal> when you get one .. your not removing the other
[03:29] <xmetal> (thou you CAN IF you want)
[03:29] <xmetal> though *
[03:29] <dr_willis> Marlenee:  ive seen disccussions on how needed 'secure delettion is' and most cases its not that critical.. delete the partions and reformat them as you want.
[03:29] <deezed> alucardpotato: I think kde is better, but kdm splash is again much havier
[03:29] <deezed> Marlenee: you can use gparted if you like
[03:29] <qin> burner_: nice one, why would someone would do such thing?
[03:29] <dr_willis> i doubt if the size of the login manager.. really matters much.. ;)
[03:30] <dr_willis> I perfer gdm. but its trivial to change the login manager.
[03:30] <deezed> qin: lol
[03:30] <alucardpotato> deezed:  ohhh yeahh, i did lightdm for cinnamon...
[03:30] <burner> qin: if you get rid of a laptop and want to give it t osomeone else but don't want them to undelete a file and get your password
[03:30] <alucardpotato> lightdm is just better right?
[03:30] <burner> qin: it's a security thing
[03:30] <dr_willis> lightdm is the default alucardpotato  for ubuntu, and lubuntu i belive
[03:30] <deezed> dr_willis: but actually each login manager loads different things while booting.. thats why lightdm is faster, because it doesnt load much
[03:31] <deezed> dr_willis: isnt it?
[03:31] <dr_willis> deezed:  what differnt things?    cant really say ive noticed any of them doing much.
[03:31] <burner> anyone have an opinion on the best DLNA server?  I've been using minidlna, but that doesn't seem super cool
[03:31] <dr_willis> deezed:  if you want the lightest/fastest.. theres xdm, or slim   ;)
[03:32] <dr_willis> burner:  'super ccool'  would mean what exactly?   minidlna works well from what ive used of it.. or theres ushare.. but lately ive been using 'plex'
[03:32] <deezed> dr_willis: I just remembered when I was studying this that was the difference, besides the design part
[03:32] <qin> burner: in other hand... wiping free space on live partition sound like critical stage of pedantry... lets try it.
[03:32] <deezed> dr_willis: each one is supposed to load different stuffs like servers, sound or something
[03:32] <burner> dr_willis: as in it's an outdated piece of software by netgear
[03:32] <dr_willis> deezed:  your desktop  is going to be loading 1000x more stuff then the login manager does. :) so i doubt if it reallyu matters much
[03:32] <xmetal>  if i didn't use linux i'd think you guys are just throwing three random letters together and making this up
[03:32] <xmetal> lol
[03:32] <alucardpotato> is lubuntu definitively the lightest on resources?  i'm using a laptop 4GB Ram.. relatively old.
[03:33] <dr_willis> deezed:  they all start up the same stuff, or the services are allready started by the time they load normally
[03:33] <deezed> dr_willis: true
[03:33] <xmetal> i have a laptop with 4GB of RAM and its a few years old, though i still consider it "new"
[03:33] <dr_willis> alucardpotato:  lubuntu is the lightest 'full featured official ubuntu desktop'
[03:33] <dr_willis> ;)
[03:33] <SonikkuAmerica> dr_willis: Lightest full-featured? That's a new one.
[03:34] <deezed> dr_willis: but anyway, if you are going to use a kde, its better to use kdm by default, because in that way you can configure it with default settings
[03:34] <dr_willis> it contains all the services one expects in a desktop.
[03:34] <ctcb> dr_willis, dd works now, but the usb still has stuff on after it's done.
[03:34] <deezed> dr_willis: like changing collors, background etc
[03:34] <dr_willis> ctcb:  thtats weird
[03:34] <xmetal> i have only recently discovered Lubuntu and i love it
[03:34] <dr_willis> deezed:  more like auto mounting of media. notifications. launchers.,
[03:34] <deezed> yes
[03:34] <dr_willis> deezed:  and config tools to manage the stuff
[03:35] <dr_willis> jwm+rox-filer is a very very light desktop - but its lacking features. ;)
[03:35] <deezed> dr_willis: now I'm thinking I must try LXDE sometime
[03:35] <dr_willis> and its not packaged in a meta package like  the *buntu-desktop   stuff
[03:35] <alucardpotato> xmetal:  dude, perfect!  so that's what you use now?  and same laptop as me?!  no bugs?  raring?
[03:36] <xmetal> ?
[03:36] <ctcb> dr_willis, it basically copies 8GB of nothing.
[03:37] <xmetal> somehow lubuntu reminds me of the older KDE (thats good :) )
[03:37] <xmetal> anyway brb
[03:37] <dr_willis> ctcb:  what command are you using exactly?
[03:37] <dr_willis> lubuntu is more like the good old windows 95 days   ;P
[03:37] <ctcb> dr_willis, sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=1M
[03:37] <deezed> dr_willis: lol, why?
[03:37] <xmetal> he complemented MS? ... GET HIM !
[03:37] <xmetal> :P
[03:38] <xmetal> complimented
[03:38] <dr_willis> ctcb:  that should zero out the drive. you would then need to unplug/reinsert it.. and then partion it..
[03:38] <xmetal> doh
[03:38] <deezed> dr_willis: oh I see
[03:38] <ctcb> dr_willis, So, do I format it then?
[03:38] <dr_willis> ctcb:  you PARTITION it.. then format the partions
[03:38] <charlin3222> i wander
[03:38] <ctcb> dr_willis,  I don't know how...
[03:39] <dr_willis> ctcb:  gparted
[03:39] <dr_willis> disk partioning fundamentals.. :) you partion a new hard drive.. then format the partions
[03:39] <charlin3222> if there exist a channel we can just cominuciate
[03:39] <Spr1ng> what choo talkin' 'bout willis?
[03:39] <qin> dr_willis: http://www.linuxondesktop.in/2007/03/nostalgia-running-windows-311-on-ubuntu.html
[03:39] <charlin3222> do you know any chanel i can make firend?
[03:39] <ctcb> dr_willis, so: sudo gparted /dev/sda ?
[03:40] <deezed> charlin3222: #defocus
[03:40] <dr_willis> ctcb:   the systeem/kernel may not see or get conrused by you going under its radar and using dd to zero the deisk. ;)
[03:40] <dr_willis> ctcb:  use gksudo to run gparted  since its a GUI app
[03:40] <dr_willis> !gparted
[03:41] <deezed> charlin3222: its not like searching people to date though
[03:41] <dr_willis> deezed:  that would be   #foreveralone
[03:41] <deezed> dr_willis: lol true
[03:41] <ctcb> dr_willis, what partition table would be best for a Windows 8 Boot USB?
[03:42] <ctcb> msdos?
[03:42] <iam4722202468> hello
[03:42] <xmetal> uh
[03:42] <iam4722202468> what makes ubuntu better than debian?
[03:42] <dr_willis> ctcb:  no idea. ask in #windows    if you wanted to make a bootablle usb from a win8 ISO.. as far as i know you would just dd the iso file to the device of the usb..
[03:42] <xmetal> hmm
[03:42] <dr_willis> iam4722202468:  this channel. ;)
[03:42] <iam4722202468> dr_willis, lol. is that it?
[03:42] <dr_willis> iam4722202468:  chicks dig guys that use ubuntu.
[03:43] <iam4722202468> ...
[03:43]  * xmetal applauds dr_willis ... and says "good answer good answer" 
[03:43] <xmetal> :)
[03:43] <dr_willis> try them both. decide what you want. ;)
[03:43] <iam4722202468> ;)
[03:44] <deezed> alucardpotato: you may like to watch that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TinQEgI07x8
[03:46] <jono> flibbidy, hi
[03:46] <ctcb> dr_willis, Okay, all done, so I'd just do "dd bs=4M if=WINDOWS864BIT.ISO of=/dev/sdc"?
[03:47] <deezed> dr_willis: have you heard about this necopost?
[03:47] <ctcb> or, is it /dev/sdc*?
[03:49] <dr_willis> ctcb:  the DRIVE is sdc  the partion would be sdc1.. so you want sdc
[03:49] <dr_willis> if you just zeroed the usb. there is no sdc1  since theres no partions ;)
[03:50] <dr_willis> sdc is the 'book'     sdc1 is the first chapter.  ;)
[03:50] <wilee-nilee> ctcb, I gave you instructions earlier.
[04:01] <dr_willis> bbl
[04:01] <Guest6772> So kinect used as webcam...any luck? "13.04"
[04:06] <minidino> I installed ubuntu from a liveCD and now when I boot I just get a blinking (underscore) cursor. What might I want to try?
[04:07] <Surye> Hmm, I am having a bootloader issue, I'm getting "
[04:07] <Surye> error:file '/boot/grub/i386-pc/normal.mod' not found."
[04:07] <Surye> And drops me in the grub rescue>
[04:08] <Surye> I've checked prefix and root, both are correct. But an ls shows an empty i386-pc folder.
[04:08] <Surye> I mounted it using the rescue broken system from the install CD, and I see all the mod files in there..
[04:08] <Surye> Any idea why grub isn't seeing them
[04:08] <usr13> Surye: http://askubuntu.com/questions/266429/error-file-grub-i386-pc-normal-mod-not-found
[04:09] <Surye> usr13: Just came from there :P
[04:09] <usr13> Surye: Ok, so that's not it?
[04:10] <Surye> Yea, no, that didn't work
[04:10] <Surye> Funny thing is, I had a grub.bak from previous work I was doing in /boot and it could find the mod files in there if I ls it
[04:10] <minidino> is it possible to boot with only extended (logical) partitions?
[04:10] <usr13> Surye: Did you identify the root filesystem?
[04:11] <Surye> yea
[04:11] <usr13> Surye: So, how did this happen?
[04:11] <Surye> The files just arn't being seen at all. Maybe I'll blow out my grub completely and reinstall
[04:11] <Ben64> Surye: you shouldn't be messing around in /boot
[04:11] <Surye> After a system upgrade, I rebooted it
[04:12] <Surye> Ben64: I know how grub works, I'm qualified to troubleshoot in there.
[04:12] <usr13> Surye: Maybe you just need to install another kernel?
[04:12] <Ben64> Surye: ok, then fix your problem
[04:12] <Surye> Ben64: I'm asking if anyone has seen this, where only certain files are not being seen
[04:13] <deezed> guys, watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CP8CNp-vksc
[04:13] <Surye> Ben64: You're not being helpful, it's malfunctioning, I am troubleshooting it, I figured I'd ask if anyone has seen this specific abnormal behavior
[04:13] <Ben64> deezed: not on topic here
[04:13] <Surye> There's nothing magic about /boot.
[04:13] <Ben64> Surye: its almost assuredly because of something you did
[04:14] <Surye> Ben64: No, I wasn't in there until it broke due to an update.
[04:14] <Surye> So...
[04:14] <usr13> Surye: So, do you have  /boot/grub/normal.mod  ?  (Is it there?)
[04:15] <Surye> no, /boot/grub/i386-pc/normal.mod is there though
[04:15] <deezed> Ben64: ok, but its nice... afterall its a ubuntu channel, isnt it?
[04:15] <usr13> Surye: That is a wierd way to answer the question.
[04:15] <Guest66883> Had to restart. Anything on the kinect question for webcam on 13.04?
[04:16] <Surye> usr13: It's not supposed to be where you asked, so I was qualifying my answer..
[04:16] <usr13> Surye: Where is the file?  (Does it exist?)
[04:16] <Surye> /boot/grub/i386-pc/normal.mod is there though
[04:16] <Wulframn> deezed, this is a support channel. Take that to #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:16] <Surye> it does exist
[04:16] <Guest66883> Thank you
[04:16] <Surye> but grub rescue is seeing it
[04:16] <Surye> is not
[04:17] <deezed> Wulframn: I will. But that can be really relevant for support everyone here
[04:17] <usr13> Surye: Why would grub not see it?
[04:17] <waterlite> hi all
[04:19] <zeta-> Surye: is a partition being mounted at /boot that hides the files?
[04:19] <anildigital> friends.. I have ubuntu 12.10.. it's asking me to upgrade to 13.04
[04:19] <anildigital> should I go foreward and upgrade?
[04:20] <Wulframn> anildigital, do you have reservations about doing so?
[04:20] <zeta-> anildigital: has it been asking for a while now?
[04:20] <Ben64> anildigital: you'll need to upgrade twice before january
[04:20] <usr13> anildigital: It is  up to you.
[04:20] <anildigital> Ben64, twice?
[04:21] <Ben64> anildigital: to 13.10
[04:21] <Bjond> anildigital: 13.10 arrives soon
[04:21] <anildigital> zeta-, yes
[04:21] <anildigital> Beatstreet, so should I upgrade to 13.04?
[04:21] <zeta-> B)
[04:21] <anildigital> Ben64, , so should I upgrade to 13.04?
[04:22] <usr13> Ben64: What?
[04:22] <Ben64> anildigital: i would, but its up to you
[04:22] <Ben64> usr13: what?
[04:22] <dr_willis> iwhat?
[04:22] <usr13> Ben64: I think you are answering the wrong question.
[04:22] <Ben64> usr13: nope
[04:22] <usr13> Ben64: Ok.
[04:22] <anildigital> Any known issues with 13.04?
[04:23] <hplc> how long until 12.04 goes EOL? isnt it a LTS?
[04:23] <dr_willis> anildigital:  every os has issues..   thats the nature of the beast
[04:23] <dr_willis> anildigital:  13.04 works very well for me on my machines.    your experience may differ
[04:23] <Ben64> hplc: 2017
[04:23] <usr13> hplc: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[04:23] <mscoder> 13.04 is a big mess
[04:24] <Wulframn> 13.04 is stable enough for many Ubuntu users to use it in their production machine.
[04:24] <mscoder> in case of gnome
[04:24] <anildigital> dr_willis, okay
[04:24] <CAP1234> hello
[04:24] <waterlite> hi all
[04:24] <mscoder> hii
[04:25] <mscoder> any problems ???
[04:25] <wilee-nilee> mscoder, That is your opinion and off-topic
[04:25] <anildigital> I heard .10 is stable release and .04 is unstable
[04:25] <Ben64> thats incorrect
[04:25] <dr_willis> ubuntu dosent call them 'stable and unstable'
[04:25] <mscoder> so on what topic are you guys talking
[04:25] <dr_willis> theres LTS and non LTS releases.
[04:25] <Ben64> anildigital: every two years, there is an LTS release, happens to be on .04
[04:26] <Wulframn> mscoder, read and find out =)
[04:26] <Ben64> anildigital: the only different being the length of support, hence Long Term Support
[04:26] <dr_willis> the non lts tend to have more cutting edge/changes   in order to get things tested for the next lts release
[04:26] <mscoder> lol
[04:26] <mscoder> ok you guys are talking about ubuntu
[04:27] <incognito> I tried to use the find command: find . -name -i -type d "*bootstrap*" and the promt told me that I have to put a path before "*bootstrap*"
[04:27] <dr_willis> lts releases also get point updates after 6 mo. i belive.    so 12.04.4 would have all the current updates   at the time of its release
[04:27] <incognito> Can someone tell me how to stack the paramaters
[04:27] <mscoder> which parameter ???
[04:28] <dr_willis> incognito:  im not sure you need to use wildcards to find all directorues with the name bootstrap in them
[04:28] <incognito> or tell me how to use find to find a directory by name with case insensitivity?
[04:28] <anildigital> dr_willis, okay
[04:28] <anildigital> Ben64, dr_willis what about Mint? how is it as work OS?
[04:28] <anildigital> I use this laptop for work?
[04:28] <incognito> dr_willis thanks
[04:28] <dr_willis> anildigital:  mint is not ubuntu. it has its own support channels.
[04:28] <anildigital> dr_willis, oka
[04:29] <xmetal> that is the distro i use and even i am not "under the hood-wise" sure if the difference
[04:29] <xmetal> of the *
[04:30] <mscoder> mint is a Ubuntu distro
[04:30] <dr_willis> mscoder:  no it is not.
[04:30] <dr_willis> its a ubuntu based disrto.. its Not ubuntu
[04:30] <wilee-nilee> drivers in their repos and a couple of de's xmetal
[04:30] <mscoder> type uname -a
[04:30] <dr_willis> mscoder:  and its not supported by this channel
[04:30] <xmetal> i consider it like a "unbuntu cousin" honestly
[04:30] <mscoder> in terminal
[04:30] <xmetal> ah  @ wilee
[04:31] <dr_willis> mscoder:  dosent matter.. its not an officially supported ubuntu disrto.
[04:31] <incognito> anildigial you probably already realize that ubuntu and mint are probably the two top or most feature rich and user friendly linux OSs available on install
[04:31] <usr13> mscoder: See #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org
[04:31] <mscoder> dr_willis: but it is based upon ubuntu right ????
[04:31] <dr_willis> its a ubuntu based disrto.. its Not ubuntu
[04:31] <dr_willis> i said it was mscoder ...
[04:31] <xmetal> its been awhile since i used ubuntu, though i'd stil recommend both
[04:32] <xmetal> uh oh @ loud thunder
[04:32] <xmetal> may have to sign off soon
[04:32] <dr_willis> there are a lot of mint tools getting included in the  ubuntu repos also.
[04:32] <wilee-nilee> cinnamint
[04:32] <wilee-nilee> ;)
[04:32] <mscoder> ok you people dont like speaking about anything else other than ubuntu ???
[04:32] <iceroot_> !ot
[04:33] <dr_willis> mscoder:  the focus of this channel is Ubuntu support. theres other channels for other chat
[04:33] <mscoder> am sorry about it then
[04:33] <mscoder> got it
[04:33] <incognito> is there a channel where I can ask general linux questions like command line questions in particular, but actually has frequent users
[04:33] <usr13> mscoder: Do you have a question about Ubuntu?  If not, you might like to try #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:33] <mscoder> yeah
[04:33] <dr_willis> incognito:  for bash theres here or #bash
[04:33] <usr13> incognito: ##linux
[04:34] <Wulframn> incognito, #linux
[04:34] <incognito> #bash\
[04:34] <xmetal> hmm
[04:34] <incognito> connect: #bash
[04:34] <xmetal> here comes those storms
[04:34] <usr13> incognito: Try  /join #bash
[04:34] <mscoder> how to get eclipse to work on ubuntu ???
[04:34] <incognito> thanks
[04:35] <mscoder> right now using 13.04
[04:35] <dr_willis> mscoder:  install it and run it?
[04:35] <LiNuX> :O
[04:35] <dr_willis> !info eclipse
[04:35] <wting> Is there a way to rebind one key combination to another? e.g. I want ctrl+j to act the same as ctrl+pgdn
[04:36] <mscoder> dr_willis : lol i have installed it but crashes every time when I press "." in the editor
[04:36] <minidino> What does UEFI do for me? When should I use it?
[04:36] <mscoder> dr_willis : that's pretty weired
[04:36] <dr_willis> minidino:  its a feature of the motberboard.
[04:37] <dr_willis> mscoder:  i never use it. so no idea. check the bug reports and askubuntu.com perhaps
[04:37] <usr13> wting: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KeyboardShortcuts
[04:37] <dr_willis> mscoder:  perhaps try a differnt java vm also
[04:37] <minidino> dr_willis: so if i have it would UEFI or MBR?
[04:38] <dr_willis> !uefi
[04:38] <mscoder> dr_willis : I have posted bug a month ago but no responses
[04:38] <dr_willis> mscoder:  search the forums and bug reports and askubuntu.com yet? or have you just posted?
[04:39] <wting> usr13: that's just a list of shortcuts, and there are many ways to bind keys to open up apps but no way to bind keys to another set of keys AFAICT
[04:39] <mscoder> dr_willis : I have posted the bug a month ago
[04:40] <dr_willis> mscoder:  and you did or did not search first?
[04:40] <mscoder> dr_willis : Maybe god will solve my problem
[04:41] <smartboyhw> mscoder, which bug did you report?
[04:41] <dr_willis> only if you give him more details and not be so vague
[04:41] <mscoder> dr_willis : about ecilpse crashing
[04:43] <mscoder> wait am posting the link
[04:47] <mscoder> dr_willis : lol the problem is fixed never looked at the forms
[04:47] <mscoder> thank you for all the support
[04:47] <kamal__> hello
[04:52] <kamal__> I have a problem, I am using ubuntu 13.04 and when I click or type anything then ubuntu starts to describes everything. I want to disable this. I dont know how this is enabled.
[04:53] <kamal__> like if I click home tab under folder menu, I says HOME . any help would be appreciated.
[04:54] <wilee-nilee> kamal__, "describes everything"?
[04:54] <wilee-nilee> what do you mean in details
[04:55] <kamal__> if I select a file, audio plays saying the file name.
[04:56] <kamal__> anything I do audio file plays describing my activity.
[04:57] <holstein> kamal__: you have enabled some kind of screen reader
[04:58] <dr_willis> sounds like  a feature of the 'acessabilty' stuff for the visual impared
[04:59] <holstein> kamal__: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Accessibility
[05:01] <kamal__> holstein: thank you , my orca screen reader was enabled.
[05:04] <resting> how does 1 change numa memory allocation in ubuntu? just asking..
[05:04] <dr_willis> 'numa' ? hmm.. never heard that term
[05:05] <mscoder> he means kernel memory
[05:05]  * dr_willis is now hearing that 'Numa-Numa' song  in his head.....
[05:05] <resting> lol..
[05:05] <xmetal> oh geez
[05:06] <xmetal> lol
[05:06] <dr_willis> now everyone is hearing it!
[05:06] <resting> numactl --hardware will show the config…but i wonder how it was set in the first place
[05:06] <mscoder> resting: call to malloc
[05:06] <dr_willis> perhaps in /etc/sysctrl.cfg  or whatever file thtat is
[05:07] <dr_willis> one of those config files most people rarely ever notice ;)
[05:07] <wilee-nilee> safe here never heard of the song
[05:08] <xmetal> studying circuit anaylsis now and ... trying to get that dang song out of my head
[05:08] <dr_willis> Invasion of the Memes
[05:10] <resting> dr_willis: interested..where can we get information abt the linux kernel? kinda new and interested in the topic
[05:10] <mscoder> xmetal: may be  justin bieber would help you
[05:10] <utfans05> lol
[05:11] <mscoder> lol
[05:13] <dr_willis> resting:  kernel.org would be the definitive site
[05:14] <xmetal> oh thats not funny
[05:15] <utfans05> you should keep your name like that willis
[05:16] <resting> Dr_NumaNumaNeh: lol..ok..will poke around there
[05:16] <anildigital> Installed Cinnamon and got rid of Unity.. now I don't need to install Linux Mint
[05:17] <xmetal> wrong channel
[05:19] <anildigital> xmetal, yep.. but was that a great hack not to install Linux Mint?
[05:19] <wilee-nilee> heh, heh
[05:20] <Dr_NumaNumaNeh> ive been not installing mint for years
[05:26] <Dr_NumaNumaNeh> bbl
[05:36] <zeta-> http://packages.ubuntu.com/raring-updates/mysql-server-5.5 has a dependency on upstart-job that is not available :(
[05:37] <zeta-> can I go back to raring?
[05:37] <wilee-nilee> zeta-, From?
[05:37] <waterlite> hello wilee-nilee
[05:37] <wilee-nilee> waterlite, Hi I have to reboot
[05:38] <waterlite> ok
[05:38] <zeta-> http://packages.ubuntu.com/raring-updates
[05:38] <ubuntustart> hello. I wish to compile a rdesktop path and copy that compile file to an another machine. Is it possible ?
[05:41] <mscoder> how can I get ubuntu-tweak running on raring-ringtail
[05:42] <mscoder> i am using gnome 3.8
[05:43] <Ben64> mscoder: well where did you get that gnome
[05:44] <xangua> mscoder: it's in repositories, is called Unity tweak now :P
[05:44] <mscoder> from gnome ppa
[05:49] <MuhQ> Good morning guys! If anyone have an idea to solve my problem please let me know --> http://askubuntu.com/questions/331726/printing-from-hp-ux-v11-11-via-lpd-protocol-port-515-to-cups-queue-on-ubuntu-s
[05:49] <holstein> MuhQ: and you want a volunteer to go to that link?
[05:49] <MuhQ> ... ok i will write it down again :D
[05:50] <holstein> MuhQ: i would seperate that out a bit.. do you have a printer hooked up to a machine? or the network? what printer is that? and can you print *anything* on it?
[05:52] <MuhQ> yes i can print from the ubuntu server without problems... but i need to print from my HP-UX to Cups queue on Ubuntu. Hp-UX use the lpd protocol on 515, but ubuntu is not listing on it anymore... On my old SLES9 Server that works fine
[05:54] <MuhQ> i don't know what to install to use this protocol like on my old SLES9 server. I asked google but i can't find any solution :(
[05:54] <holstein> MuhQ: i dont know what tha "protocol" is, or means.. if you can print to the hardware, the drivers are in place.. what are you trying to print?
[05:57] <Dr_NumaNumaNeh> hmm.  HP-UX dosent use cups eh.
[05:59] <MuhQ> I'm printing XML Reports from our ERP server. The HP-UX spooler prints it to a defined cups queue and cups delivere it to the DCS software. On the Ubuntu Server ist everythin working very nice. Only the transmission from the HP-UX to Ubuntu fails because Ubuntu does not listening on port 515 anymore. HP-UX does not use CUPS, it is using the default spooling daemon.
[05:59] <ickardo> hi
[06:00] <ickardo> someone speak spanish?
[06:00] <Dr_Willis> !es
[06:00] <Dr_Willis> No Hablo
[06:00] <ickardo> jaaa Dr. Willis
[06:00] <ickardo> muy bien lo hablas
[06:00] <ickardo> but i can try in english too
[06:01] <ickardo> gracias ubottu
[06:02] <MuhQ> @holstein: Port 515 is for the LPD protocol (Line Printer Daemon) -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_Printer_Daemon_protocol
[06:02] <holstein> MuhQ: i have never used that...
[06:04] <ickardo> someone mexican?
[06:04] <ickardo> raza!
[06:04] <ickardo> amigos!
[06:04] <ickardo> clica!
[06:04] <holstein> !ot | ickardo
[06:04] <Dr_Willis> !support
[06:05] <ickardo> ok
[06:05] <ickardo> understand
[06:05] <ickardo> im sorry
[06:09] <aliendude5300> Hi, I'm running Unity + XMir on Ubuntu 13.10 with the latest updates, and the desktop environment is freezing up approximately 30 seconds after I log in. Is this a known issue?
[06:10] <holstein> !13.10 | aliendude5300
[06:10] <holstein> aliendude5300: drop back to 13.04 for official support
[06:11] <DoYouKnow> can you guys provide me with some information on cpu governors?
[06:11] <Dr_Willis> beta support in #ubuntu+1  ;)
[06:11] <DoYouKnow> I need a good one for my xps m1530
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> DoYouKnow: you mean cpu freq tools?
[06:13] <DoYouKnow> lotuspsychje, I am having an issue where my laptop is so hot I can barely touch it
[06:13] <DoYouKnow> I have repeatedly cleaned it, but most of the time only windows is comfortable
[06:13] <lotuspsychje> DoYouKnow: what ubuntu version?
[06:13] <DoYouKnow> 13.04
[06:14] <holstein> DoYouKnow: i have found the graphics driver can really help, if there are other options for a driver available to you
[06:14] <NewbKen> ok I have a new Hp envy m6 laptop and i want to dump the windows and put Ubuntu on ( UEFI ) is this possiable or do i have to stay in legacy mode ??
[06:14] <DoYouKnow> holstein, ok, I noticed that on Windows.
[06:14] <lotuspsychje> !uefi | NewbKen
[06:14] <DoYouKnow> holstein, I am using the open source one, so should I switch to a proprietary one?
[06:14] <Dr_Willis> you have checked the forums and askubuntu..com for info about that specicic laptop DoYouKnow ?
[06:15] <Dr_Willis> NewbKen:  you want to totally erase windows?
[06:15] <holstein> DoYouKnow: there is no "should".. i have noticed that switching to the proprietary ones, when available, can help with that issue.. may not in your case
[06:16] <NewbKen> Dr_Willis . yes
[06:16] <DoYouKnow> Dr_Willis, someone complained the fans would not turn off, that is the same problem I'm experiencing, but someone said it should be filed as a bug report and was offtopic
[06:17] <lotuspsychje> DoYouKnow: you might wanna try ##hardware aswell for known issues on your device aswell
[06:17] <Dr_Willis> NewbKen:  personally. id  go get a ssd hard drive. swap the windows hd out. put it on a shelf somewhere.. and install ubuntu onto the ssd. ;)    as for any uefi issues.. ive not delt with it enough to suggest anything else
[06:17] <lotuspsychje> Dr_Willis: nice idea!
[06:17] <Dr_Willis> DoYouKnow:  fans staying on  - may be due to the thing overheating.  Id definatly try the closed source drivers
[06:18] <NewbKen> ok so the other side of the fence so to speak is my system has a intel / ati hybrid video card am i still going to get the graphics out of it or ?
[06:19] <lotuspsychje> NewbKen: will you be gaming on ubuntu?
[06:19] <NewbKen> might try and get steam running but not sure yet
[06:20] <Dr_Willis> dual gpu systems can be a pain. ;(
[06:20] <lotuspsychje> NewbKen: steam, playonlinux and wine will help you out for sure
[06:20] <NewbKen> cool
[06:21] <NewbKen> thanks for your time guys
[06:21] <lotuspsychje> NewbKen: no problem
[06:35] <xmetal> back
[06:38] <vee_> hey guys, i installed ubuntu minimal, and was wondering how i can setup automounting of usbs?
[06:38] <vee_> pcmanfm says itll do it, but it doesn't :(
[06:40] <clj_newb_2345> what font do programmers use on Ubuntu? I really like Terminus for it's bitmap, but I find the "i" and "l" as well as "()" vs "{}" hard to distinguish
[06:43] <zeta-> Ubuntu Mono
[06:46] <Dr_Willis> vee_:  auto mounting from the desktop? or console?
[06:46] <clj_newb_2345> zeta-: fc-list does not show "ubuntu mono" even though it's installed
[06:46] <clj_newb_2345> zeta-: any idea how I can troubleshoot this?
[06:47] <vee_> Dr_Willis: which ever is easier. is there any way i can have it plug in and just auto mount in the background? its for a friend of mine and he's not too familiar with linux
[06:47] <Dr_Willis> vee_:  so is he going to be using the unity desktop ? or what exactly?
[06:49] <achillesiv> hello I recently updated to kernel 3.10.6 but now my monitor's resolution is messed up, how do I get 1920x1080 back?
[06:50] <wilee-nilee> achillesiv, Why are you using kernels not part of the standard updates?
[06:51] <achillesiv> just wanted to try it out
[06:51] <wilee-nilee> or is this 13.10
[06:51] <y4h0> are ubuntu 12.04 packages compatible with ubuntu 10.10 ?
[06:51] <wilee-nilee> achillesiv, not supported here is all.
[06:51] <achillesiv> no mint 15 kde
[06:51] <wilee-nilee> achillesiv, your running mint?
[06:51] <vee_> Dr_Willis: he's on dwm right now
[06:51] <achillesiv> yes
[06:52] <wilee-nilee> !mint | achillesiv
[06:53] <zeta-> wilee-nilee: raring-updates -> raring
[06:53] <wilee-nilee> zeta-, And you point is?
[06:53] <wilee-nilee> your
[06:53] <zeta-> clj_newb_2345: my fc-list does show ubuntu mono
[06:54] <clj_newb_2345> zeta-: this is probably my punishment for using ubuntu-server rather than ubuntu-desktop to avoid the unity crap
[06:54] <zeta-> http://packages.ubuntu.com/raring-updates/mysql-server-5.5 has a dependency on upstart-job that is not available :(
[06:55] <wilee-nilee> !who | zeta-
[06:56]  * zeta- is lazy
[06:56] <wilee-nilee> zeta-, is in ignore
[06:58] <zeta-> wilee-nilee: You asked me a Q before disappearing ...
[07:02] <purezen> Hey guys..! I am a long time Ubuntu user.. and have recently bought a Dell Vostro 5460 with nVidia 630M.. However, lately, when I try to boot my 12.10 installation.. it gives an error of 'running in low graphics mode' and even after numerous attempts refuses to proceed.. Also, I have disabled my nVidia discrete card using bbswitch.. Please help..!
[07:07] <wilee-nilee> purezen, Are you getting to the desktop at all, and here are some threads that may help. http://askubuntu.com/search?q=+nVidia+630M
[07:07] <GeorgeTorwell> is anyone around
[07:08] <purezen> wilee-nilee, Well, usually I could get around the issue just by rebooting.. but today I am unable to make to the desktop at all..
[07:08] <wilee-nilee> purezen, Have you tried nomodeset?
[07:09] <purezen> wilee-nilee, Well, no.. Though, I have disabled it completely using bbswtich..
[07:09] <clj_newb_2345> what tool can I use on ubuntu to edit pcf (bitmap font) files?
[07:09] <clj_newb_2345> I want to make some changes to terminus
 when im at home my home PC goes crazy occasionaly and shows the disk light and everything stops responding
 sometimes I can get to a terminal
 but everything slows down to a crawl untul I have to reboot
 how can I find out the reason
[07:09] <FloodBot1> GeorgeTorwell: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[07:11] <wilee-nilee> purezen, nvidia is out of my knowledge area, mainly I was trying to get info that is more detailed, so the askubuntu links are about it. ;)
[07:12] <purezen> wilee-nilee, Ok..:-)
[07:15] <lvleph> I am trying to debug my system, so I was hoping someone could help me.
[07:15] <lvleph> What seems to happen is during IO on a particular partition the system locks
[07:15] <lvleph> So, what I did was run iostat and then ran an rsync on the system
[07:15] <dr_willis> lvleph:  you monitored dmesg output during this time?
[07:16] <lvleph> dmesg doesn't say anything
[07:16] <lvleph> iostat gives zeros during the lock
[07:16] <lvleph> I am completely lost
[07:18] <lvleph> I am going to try and watch dmesg and lock things
[07:20] <lvleph> Here you go dr_willis http://pastebin.com/E6KN4hsj
[07:22] <zeta-> GeorgeTorwell: try htop
[07:22] <zaphyro> whats this
[07:22] <aName> Hi there. How do I clear a BADSIG error with apt? Steam keeps breaking it and I know there's like three commands I can do it in but I don't remember what they are.
[07:23] <GeorgeTorwell> I have top running
[07:23] <GeorgeTorwell> but its too late now
[07:23] <GeorgeTorwell> I rebooted
[07:23] <GeorgeTorwell> and everything is working as normal
[07:23] <dr_willis> zaphyro:  what?
[07:24] <lvleph> I think this confirms that the hard drive is damaged dr_willis
[07:24] <zaphyro> what is this channel
[07:24] <dr_willis> !ubuntu | zaphyro
[07:24] <GeorgeTorwell> THIS....IS....UBUNTU!!!!!
[07:24]  * GeorgeTorwell kicks zaphyro into the pit
[07:24] <dr_willis> zaphyro:  read t he channel topic  when you join  a channel. ;)
[07:24] <nowayride> lvleph: does smart come back on that?
[07:24] <zaphyro> whats this again
[07:24] <dr_willis> lvleph:  hds seem to be more fragile every year
[07:25] <dr_willis> !support | zaphyro
[07:25] <nowayride> I'd check for uncorrectables reported on that
[07:25] <dr_willis> zaphyro:  and how did you get here we have to womder/
[07:25] <lvleph> Fragile? It was dropped off a table. dr_willis
[07:25] <dr_willis> lvleph:  ;) thats not good for them
[07:25] <xmetal> oh geez
[07:25] <zaphyro> heard some people talking about it
[07:25] <lvleph> SMART hasn't told me anything
[07:25] <dr_willis> !manual | zaphyro
[07:26] <nowayride> And drives in general are really finicky, you can have a near new drive just die and have drives with like.. thousands of power on and no issue
[07:26] <dr_willis> lvleph:  ive learned that  SMART can not be so aSMART at times
[07:26] <nowayride> smartctl -a /dev/sda ?
[07:26] <zaphyro> ok
[07:26] <xmetal> well i have to figure out why there is so much of a price difference between Office depot site and the store but at least my amazon.com dvds came
[07:26] <nowayride> Are you checking pass or actual stats? Because it can still get errors and show "healthy"
[07:26] <xmetal> :)
[07:26] <xmetal> only tried one so far ... seem to work
[07:26] <lvleph> nowayride: I ran it from disk utility, but I can do that too.
[07:26] <dr_willis> new hds have so much more  tight tolerances and   precision then the good old drives from 10+ yrs ago. ;)
[07:27] <aName> Figured it out. sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/* -vf THEN sudo apt-get update
[07:27] <nowayride> I um.. I have no idea what the disk utility does but you wanna look at offline uncorrectable and reallocated/pending sectors
[07:27] <zeta-> To be fair, Topic doesn't say http://www.ubuntu.com/
[07:30] <dr_willis> i see thhe topic mention www.ubuntu.com when i join.
[07:31] <dr_willis> actually thats chanserv saying some stuff :)
[07:31] <dr_willis> its just right below the topic line when i join
[07:38] <lvleph> Interesting whenever I try to access a particular file the system locks.
[07:38] <lvleph> Just copying the file creates the problem
[07:38] <nowayride> That def could be a bad sector
[07:38] <dr_willis> hmm., yep.
[07:39] <lvleph> Good thing it is only a file needed for my research.
[07:39] <nowayride> :\
[07:39] <lvleph> Now if i could just unmount the hard drive.
[07:40] <lvleph> My daughter is watching Mickey and would get mad...
[07:40] <lvleph> She keeps getting mad everytime I lock the system.
[07:43] <hexacode> anyone know the best way to copy entire partitions to an external hd?  should i simply do something like sudo cp -R / /media/externalmounteddrive
[07:44] <vadi> Hi - my 13.04 laptop keeps launching into memtest on reboot. How can I stop that?
[07:44] <gbence> choose another option at grub vadi
[07:45] <vadi> The grub is hidden
[07:45] <vadi> How to I bring it up?
[07:45] <gbence> hidden?
[07:45] <gbence> what do you mean-,
[07:45] <vadi> There is no grub selection
[07:45] <gbence> try pressing down button continous
[07:45] <gbence> when you booting
[07:45] <vadi> ok
[07:45] <vadi> hm no, still went into memtest
[07:45] <dr_willis> hold down the SHIFT key to see the grub menu if its hieedn
[07:45] <vadi> ok
[07:46] <dr_willis> if its going into memtest.. thatss.. very weird..
[07:46] <vadi> the laptop is shutting down on it's own after a few minutes of running now - perhaps I need to take it apart and clean it?
[07:46] <dr_willis> as if you have no other kernels
[07:46] <vadi> I didn't ask it go to into memtest either
[07:46] <gbence> vadi: reinstall it, if you dont have sensitive data
[07:46] <vadi> Yeah I do
[07:46] <gbence> on it
[07:47] <xmetal> great part about grub and linux ... if a new kernal doesn't work, just boot to the older one :)
[07:47] <vadi> I think I worked out the problem
[07:47] <vadi> I had a usb stick that it half-finished installing Ubuntu on, and I think the laptop was set to boot from the usb first
[07:48] <vadi> So taking it out made it load Ubuntu now.
[07:48] <anildigital> when ppl talk about speed on linux.. what kind of speed they are talking about?
[07:48] <anildigital> is it UI response speed?
[07:48] <anildigital> or is it software like eclipse hogs?
[07:49] <vadi> A little bit of everything?
[07:49] <vadi> I find windows IO speed (copying/deleting files) to be much worse than ubuntu's for one
[07:49] <lvleph> hexacode: you can use dd or rsync
[07:49] <dr_willis> filesystem tasks can often be much much faster.
[07:49] <dr_willis> as can stuff like reenoding videos. or other  computational intensive tasks
[07:50] <dr_willis> then theres just the general feel and responsiveness of the gui's
[07:53] <babinlonston> What this error ?
[07:53] <babinlonston> PHP Warning:  syntax error, unexpected '=' in user_input.ini on line 32
[07:53] <R0SSI> Hello
[07:53] <R0SSI> I have a video that its subtitles can not be showed properly! I can't find what is its problem! can someone check the video (http://ubuntuone.com/5METhazA5wscCoasalVadO -> 7.1MB) and its subtitle? It shows timelines instead of texts!
[07:55] <vadi> babinlonston: it's a syntax error (you typed something wrong). how does your line 32 look like? You might want to ask this in #php as well
[07:55] <babinlonston> vadi:  this is the line 32      DWH_PASS=admin123$
[07:56] <vadi> maybe the password needs to be in quotes?
[07:56] <dr_willis> sure its not supposed to be    '  =  '   with spaces?
[07:56] <qin> space?
[07:56] <dr_willis> look at other lines.
[07:57] <babinlonston> dr_willis: Sure thanks ill
[07:57] <x-side> Hello there
[07:57] <babinlonston> dr_willis: But other lines too there is not spaces ...
[07:57] <x-side> Is it a right channel for ubuntu studio issues or am I offtop
[07:58] <vadi> R0SSI: have you extracted both the video and the subtitle file before playing?
[07:58] <dr_willis> x-side:  its officially supported hre. i think theres a studio channel also
[07:58] <x-side> Thx Dr_willis
[07:59] <x-side> I am super stuck with jack setup
[07:59] <grendal-prime> this is kinda off topic
[07:59] <R0SSI> vadi: Yes, they are extracted on my computer originally! I've packed them to upload them somewhere for you.
[07:59] <R0SSI> Subtitle Source: http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/physics/8-01-physics-i-classical-mechanics-fall-1999/video-lectures/course-introduction/ -> Download Tab
[08:00] <vadi> R0SSI: which player are you using? you might need to select the subtitle file manually for it to show.
[08:00] <grendal-prime> but has anyone got any experience with setting up subdomains and routing them to servers from the gateway?
[08:00] <xmetal> true
[08:00] <x-side> Well, the thing is it does not see the usb soundcard (Focusrite Scarlett 2i2) in ubuntu studio. Though ubuntu studio does recognise the interface
[08:00] <keon> 大家好
[08:01] <R0SSI> vida: Vlc, smplayer, default player, etc! all players can recognize the subtitle but -as I said before- they shows "timelines" instead of the text!
[08:01] <x-side> I suspect the problem might be with the built in soundcard. Could easily configure it in Puppy Studio, how do I get to turn it off completely in Ubuntu Studio?
[08:01] <williangliao> keon: #ubuntu-cn
[08:02] <neko> irc.the-future-irc
[08:03] <dr_willis> R0SSI:  a video file can contain several differnt subtitle streams.  you can switch btween..
[08:04] <dr_willis> x-side:  blacklist its modules, disable it in bios. or i recall some pulse tools to select the proper sound card
[08:04] <dr_willis> !sound
[08:05] <R0SSI> Emergency -> next 3 hours -> I have a lecture to invite people to contribute for translating MIT courses, but my selected mit video can not be accompanied with its subtitle
[08:05] <R0SSI> I have a video that its subtitles can not be showed properly! I can't find what is its problem! can someone check the video (http://ubuntuone.com/5METhazA5wscCoasalVadO -> 7.1MB) and its subtitle? It shows timelines instead of texts!
[08:05] <x-side> (therefore not offtop - relates to Ubuntu Studio)
[08:06] <R0SSI> dr_willis: I didn't get what did you say?! may you explain more?!
[08:07] <dr_willis> R0SSI:  a vide can  contain SEVERAL differnt subtitles.. the video player lets you select the ones to show.
[08:07] <dr_willis> ie; english. spanishj, french, whatever.....
[08:07] <dr_willis> its a video player setting/menu item/key shortcut to select the differnt ones
[08:08] <qin> rossi the format of subtitle is wrong, find any video with good subtitle and compare formatting, maybe some batty dashes..
[08:09] <qin> or tabs...
[08:09] <x-side> Thanks, will try to kill it in bios
[08:10] <x-side> I also recall there should be some Alsa config tool ran from the terminal
[08:10] <x-side> Is there one?
[08:10] <dr_willis> those sound trouble shoooting guides should mention it
[08:10] <blazemore> x-side: alsamixer
[08:10] <dr_willis> pavucontrol  gui  tool lso has some features to select what card
[08:12] <R0SSI> This picture shows my problem: http://image.bayimg.com/59e4d83b4086ccf686dcbc3f926d8d3d8bfb3b56.jpg -> a part of timelines instead of texts! @vida, de_willis
[08:12] <blazemore> R0SSI: It looks like your subtitles are just wrong in the video, not an Ubuntu problem - although you could try a different video player like VLC
[08:13] <x-side> That is extremely weird though, i can see both interfaces listed in sound settings
[08:13] <blazemore> R0SSI: There are websites where you can download subtitles also, but I don't think I should link them here
[08:13] <x-side> But none does anything
[08:13] <dr_willis> mencoder and mplayer can also  rip out the  subtitles so you can look at them
[08:13] <blazemore> x-side: Try installing "pavucontrol"
[08:14] <x-side> It is installed by default
[08:14] <blazemore> Really?
[08:14] <ActionParsnip> !info pavucontrol
[08:15] <ActionParsnip> options and in universe...
[08:15] <blazemore> Didn't think so
[08:15] <dr_willis> not installled by default on normal ubuntu.. perhaps on ubuntu studio
[08:15] <blazemore> It should be IMO
[08:15] <x-side> Yup. It is the default one in Ubuntu Studio
[08:15] <blazemore> Just a reminder that #ubuntu-studio exists, x-side
[08:15] <dr_willis> the whole audio system - is sadly.... confuseing at times.
[08:16] <x-side> Blazemore, yes I guess I should try there. Thanks for the reminder.
[08:16] <R0SSI> blazemore: I know; but the subtitles come from MIT website: http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/physics/8-01-physics-i-classical-mechanics-fall-1999/video-lectures/course-introduction/ -> Download tab
[08:18] <x-side> dr_willis - I know. And it is super sad for me. I am a composer pro musician with a hobby curiosity in systems. Spent 2 years on BeOS as my main system back in 2002. After 10 years of making music on win I cant stand it anymore. Tried mac - even worse. Got a very big faith in ubuntu, but somehow cant get to the creativity part because of all the weird shaman dancing required
[08:18] <dr_willis> R0SSI:  try playing them in a totally differnt player/os/method and see if they are still invalid..   it could be the video file has a problem.
[08:18] <blazemore> R0SSI: You downloaded the .srt subtitles?
[08:19] <x-side> I was wondering if the problem is that no one bothered to make a decent configure out of the box tool or with the architecture of linux itself
[08:19] <dr_willis> x-side:  ive just had to fight a bitt to get the hdmi out working, or turning it off to use my spekers y default ;)  i dont even have sound enabled half th etime
[08:20] <blazemore> x-side: Sound just sort of works for me
[08:20] <dr_willis> disable the other card in the bios - would be the simplist way to  force the other card to be used
[08:20] <leku> hey i'm running version 12.04 and wondering what the equiv. to chkconfig in this release would be?
[08:20] <leku> I want to add a new init script
[08:20] <blazemore> leku: update-rc.d
[08:21] <blazemore> leku: http://askubuntu.com/questions/2263/chkconfig-alternative-for-ubuntu-server
[08:21] <leku> thanks
[08:21] <blazemore> np, I googled "chkconfig ubuntu 12.04"
[08:21] <dr_willis> im not even sure how well update-rc.d works with Upstart these days
[08:21] <leku> i just did too
[08:21] <leku> found the same page
[08:21] <dr_willis> see the upstart cook book site for manageing upstart stuff
[08:21] <dr_willis> !upstart
[08:21] <leku> same time lol
[08:21] <R0SSI> dr_willis: I tried for VLC, totem. smplayer
[08:22] <dr_willis> R0SSI:  try playin the video on a smart phone, or a differnt pc.
[08:22] <R0SSI> blazemore: yes -> intro.srt
[08:23] <dr_willis> its very likely its a typo of mesed up .srt file
[08:29] <Voi> my touchpad is very slow after suspend/resume on ubuntu 13.04, any1 familiar with this bug?
[08:30] <x-side> Okay. Thanks for your help everyone, I'll go bother the #ubuntu-studio a bit :)
[08:30] <blazemore> Voi: Have you tried increasing the speed in input settings?
[08:30] <Voi> no and i have no idea what you mean,
[08:30] <Voi> also its slow only for like < 1 minute, then its normal
[08:30] <blazemore> Voi: In the top right corner ckick the cog button then press system settings
[08:31] <dr_willis> so for aboiut 60 seconds after a resume - it acts up.. then starts woerking normally?
[08:31] <Voi> right
[08:31] <Voi> dr_willis, sometimes it even freezes, then i ctrl+alt+f1 and back f7
[08:32] <blazemore> Voi: Does the system have a make and model?
[08:32] <Voi> blazemore, again i dont know what you mean
[08:33] <Voi> ah
[08:33] <Voi> im on an Aspire 1810TZ
[08:33] <dr_willis> ;)
[08:33] <Voi> acer
[08:34] <dr_willis> checked the bug reports and askubuntu.com and the forums for any info about that exact  laptop yet?
[08:34] <ActionParsnip> Voi: do you have the latest BIOS?
[08:34] <Voi> sorry, my brain is slow after sleep for a few hours too
[08:34] <R0SSI> dr_willis: Solved:
[08:34] <R0SSI> cat intro.srt | sed 's/..:..:../&.000/g' > tmp; mv tmp intro.srt
[08:34] <Voi> ActionParsnip, bios, ive been toying with this, cus there was a bug with the original bios indeed regarding sleep
[08:34] <blazemore> R0SSI: Nice
[08:35] <ActionParsnip> Voi: do you dual boot?
[08:35] <Voi> ActionParsnip, which is: the laptop would wake up by itself, or freeze with 100% CPU on going to sleep
[08:35] <Voi> ActionParsnip, yes
[08:35] <ActionParsnip> Voi: then get it updated, Companies like to use pretty Windows apps to update BIOS' unlike the old days where it was a scary DOS app
[08:36] <Voi> ActionParsnip, no, i tried different BIOS and now picked the one where this bug doesnt appear, since i use sleep a lot; the newest bios have this bug again..
[08:36] <ActionParsnip> Voi: ahh I see
[08:37] <ActionParsnip> Voi: glad you check the difference :)
[08:37] <Voi> hell i had to t,t
[08:37] <ActionParsnip> Voi: you sound like a smart cookie
[08:37] <Voi> i was scared to update bios at first <,<
[08:37] <ActionParsnip> Voi: wise to be so, you can brick your mobo
[08:37] <Voi> ActionParsnip, but as i said when on resume the touchpad gets slow, i get to shell mode with ctrl alt f1 and back with alt+f7 and it works normally
[08:38] <dry[1]> hi. is there any graph editor (3D) for ubuntu and better than GraphThing?
[08:38] <Voi> what happens when i change to shell mode and back, does xorg get reloaded?
[08:40] <ActionParsnip> Voi: are there any bugs reported?
[08:40] <ActionParsnip> Voi: if you unload then reload the touchpad driver module, is it better?
[08:40] <Voi> how do i do that
[08:40] <ActionParsnip> Voi: if you run:   lsmod | grep psmouse     do you see 'psmouse' in the output?
[08:41] <ActionParsnip> Voi: if so, run:      sudo modprobe -r psmouse; sleep 3; sudo modprobe psmouse          run that after you wake up and the mouse is slow.
[08:41] <Voi> ActionParsnip, @ bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/373690
[08:42] <Voi> im guessing thats my bug... only that im on 13.04 and an acer aspire 1810tz
[08:42] <ActionParsnip> Voi: try the command
[08:43] <Voi> mouse is NOT slow after sleep 3;
[08:43] <Voi> sudo modprobe psmouse produces no output?
[08:44] <ActionParsnip> Voi: it won't
[08:44] <ActionParsnip> Voi: no news is good news
[08:44] <dr_willis> if a command does not prodice an error.. it has nothing to report. ;)
[08:44] <ActionParsnip> is it better after you unload andreload the module?
[08:44] <dr_willis> error: the command eas successfull!
[08:44] <dr_willis> ;)
[08:45] <nowayride1> Woooooow... I think my (home) Ubuntu VM somehow tried to become my WAN gateway when I bridged my modem... it had a public IP lol
[08:45] <Voi> ActionParsnip, what do you mean with "the module"
[08:46] <ActionParsnip> Voi: psmouse    is a kernel module, it is loaded and makes the hardware work
[08:46] <Voi> im guessing in this case no news is bad news, cus if it were an error with ubuntu then it would be easier fixed than if it were a problem with BIOS stuff xd
[08:47] <Voi> let me try to "real" sleep
[08:48] <Voi> seems to work fine now;
[08:48] <ActionParsnip> Voi: after the command is ran?
[08:48] <Voi> i ran sudo modprobe psmouse, then went to sleep, then resumed and it was ok
[08:49] <dr_willis> theres some way to run commands arter a resume automatcally i belive
[08:49] <flycharlles> I need some help
[08:49] <ActionParsnip> Voi: psmouse should be already loaded...
[08:49] <ActionParsnip> flycharlles: ask away
[08:49] <Voi> i think so
[08:49] <Voi> lsmod | grep psmouse gave me: psmouse                95870  0
[08:49] <ActionParsnip> Voi: if you reboot and run:   lsmod | grep psmouse     is it loaded?
[08:49] <Voi> let me try
[08:49] <ActionParsnip> Voi: if not, we can make it load at boot and it should fix
[08:49] <flycharlles> I have installed Ubuntu 13.04 on my laptop but with a dual boot Windows / and linux but I can't boot in to linux
[08:50] <blazemore> Do you get an error flycharlles ?
[08:50] <ActionParsnip> flycharlles: are you using UEFI?
[08:50] <flycharlles> I have just made a partition for Ubuntu but when I start the laptop, it doesn't give the option to choose between linox or Windows 7
[08:51] <flycharlles> it just boots straight to Windows 7
[08:51] <flycharlles> everything went fine with the installation
[08:51] <flycharlles> UEFI?
[08:51] <blazemore> flycharlles: Do you have more than one hard drive?
[08:51] <flycharlles> Well, I dont' know. I have an Asus laptop
[08:51] <jbnicolai> Hi guys, at work I'm on an ubuntu desktop where the screen automatically dims after about ten seconds. Brightness returns when I switch applications - so I end up alt-tabbing every half minute because my terminal is near unreadable.
[08:51] <vlitomsk> Hello world
[08:52] <ActionParsnip> flycharlles: does the system have make and model
[08:52] <jbnicolai> There is no option to turn of this dimming in settings > screen brightness
[08:52] <flycharlles> X501
[08:52] <blazemore> jbnicolai: is it in power settings?
[08:52] <jbnicolai> Any way to disable this stupid automatic (desktop - not laptop) dimming?
[08:52] <jbnicolai> blazemore: nope.
[08:52] <flycharlles> it is Asus X501A
[08:52] <flycharlles> No, I only have one hdd
[08:52] <blazemore> flycharlles: If you hold Shift during bootup do you get a menu?
[08:53] <puca> hey, I have some clients on my network that mount a volume on a main server using NFS. lately my clients have been having problems reaching the server. they find it fine in the beginning but after a few hours they lose connection.
[08:53] <flycharlles> with different partitions for Linux
[08:53] <jbnicolai> blazemore: it's not under power settings and not under screen and brightness settings.
[08:53] <Voi> well, i cant reproduce my touchpad lag atm... maybe its because im not going to sleep long enough, and then id guess its a bios problem
[08:53] <puca> I get the NFS stale file handle error.
[08:53] <jbnicolai> And it's horribly frustrating ;)
[08:53] <blazemore> jbnicolai: What Ubuntu version?
[08:53] <jbnicolai> 2.10
[08:53] <jbnicolai> 12.10*
[08:53] <flycharlles> ah, I need to try to hold SHIFT during the boot and try if it works
[08:53] <flycharlles> I am a noob on linux yet
[08:53] <puca> not really sure what may be the problem here. seems like there's some problem with my local host allocation but I don't know how to check it.
[08:54] <AllInOne> Welcome to TV OnLine Http://AllINONE.NIX.VN
[08:54] <puca> trying to reproduce the error now but I didn't find anything enlightening in the logs earlier so I may not find anything this time around either.
[08:55] <blazemore> puca: This type of error message is seen when a file or directory that was opened by an NFS client is removed, renamed, or replaced on the server
[08:55] <jbnicolai> So to reiterate: screen, on desktop ubuntu 12.10, automatically dims. There's no option under power or screen settnigs and it becomes bright again when I alt-tab to an other application.
[08:55] <nowayride1> jbnicolai: brightness and lock
[08:55] <jbnicolai> nowayride1: It's not under there.
[08:55] <nowayride1> Turn screen off after X.. it's just Ubuntu has a much slower fade than say Windows
[08:55] <blazemore> You could try installing caffeine, jbnicolai https://launchpad.net/caffeine
[08:56] <puca> blazemore: yeah, I read that too. I know the files and directories are not removed, renamed or replaced though so I figure it may also come if they have issues finding a route to the host.
[08:56] <nowayride1> Oooh you said 12.10.. bah they probably did move it in 13.04
[08:56] <puca> blazemore: which is what has been happening at intervals with my clients, they lose the route to host so I can't ssh into them.
[08:56] <jbnicolai> blazemore: heh, yeah considered exactly that but didn't try it yet as I figured it's not due to inactivity. It's happening as I'm typing here due to not switching applications for over ten seconds.
[08:56] <flycharlles> If there is an UEFI on the laptop, can I disable it ?
[08:56] <flycharlles> I really to get way from Windows
[08:57] <jbnicolai> blazemore: do you think it will still work?
[08:57] <blazemore> jbnicolai: Has it always done this?
[08:57] <jbnicolai> blazemore: ever since I inherited this machine from a now ex coworker.
[08:58] <blazemore> jbnicolai: gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power idle-dim-time 60
[08:58] <jbnicolai> It's a corporate machine at a bank, can't wipe it and throw up a newer version of ubuntu. I'm already happy it's not a windows machine.
[09:07] <jbnicolai> blazemore: sorry for the late responce, received a phone call. It seems to have fixed it :)
[09:07] <jbnicolai> Hmm, or at least made it less.
[09:08] <blazemore> yes it set it to 60 seconds
[09:11] <jbnicolai> Yeah, I understand ;)
[09:12] <jbnicolai> So now that I'm here - could I also ask how to change the dead-key behaviour of ~ and '?
[09:12] <jbnicolai> Currently to get a tilde I have to press the key followed by space
[09:13] <jbnicolai> Which is of course a huge pain when often referencing your home directory from the cli
[09:13] <jbnicolai> (sorry for the noobyness, new to ubuntu)
[09:15] <dr_willis> hmm.. what language is the keyboard in and the keyboard setting set to?
[09:15] <dr_willis>  ive never herd of having to hit ~ then space
[09:17] <xananax> Hello, just wondering about something. I am going to format and install a clean version of ubuntu, keeping my ~home on another partition. I have gigs over gigs of Steam games that I don't want to re-download. Will they work out of the box, or will I have to download them again? Anyone knows?
[09:17] <nowayride1> They did inherit the system too so who knows
[09:18] <xananax> Provided I keep all paths
[09:18] <nowayride1> xananax: when you reinstall Steam there should be an option to set the games path again, at least that's how it works using D: in Windows
[09:18] <jbnicolai> dr_willis: ah, I managed to resolve this myself, sorry for bothering you. Looking under keyboard language settings it was set to "English (US with dead keys)", switching to "English (US)" fixed it. :)
[09:20] <nowayride1> ^ Neat
[09:21] <X200> hey guys, I'm using a tv screen in a dual screen configuration and sometimes when I move a window between the screens Ubuntu freezes and nothing works except the curser. I tried to looking in the logs at /var/log but found nothing that indicates a problem. I know there's some sort of a log collection utility in Ubuntu, someone knows how can I use it to find the problem?
[09:22] <nowayride1> X200: /var/log/Xorg.0.log didn't?
[09:23] <nowayride1> Or under /var/log/lightdm/?
[09:23] <xananax> nowayride1, ok, that's a good sign, thanks
[09:23] <dr_willis> xananax:  you mean games you insgalled with steam for linux?  or in wine?
[09:24] <xananax> dr_willis, steam for linux. No dual boot and no wine for me
[09:24] <X200> nowayride1: as far as I can tell there's no problem in Xorg.0.log
[09:24] <dr_willis> from wht ive seen of steam.. the binari you install. actually just sort of installs the real steam into the users home. so if you backup all your home - the games should stay. (i think)
[09:24] <nowayride1> xananax: no guarantee it will work, but I would think they would keep it that way
[09:25] <dr_willis> steam on linux - is sort of weird
[09:25] <xananax> dr_willis, nowayride1, yeah, I thought so too, but since my connection is so slow and it was such a pain to dl all of that, I want to make as sure as I can. Well, I guess that's as certain as I'll be
[09:25] <X200> nowayride1: and /var/log/lightdm/ logs are empty
[09:25] <xananax> dr_willis, why weird :) ?
[09:25] <dr_willis> at least i think thats how it works. - if you install tf2. it actually goes in your users home directory
[09:26] <blazemore> I would assume somewhere like .steam
[09:26] <dr_willis> xananax:   the steam.deb installs a binary that the user runs that  THEN actrually installs steam in the users home.. and all games go in the users home. very differnt then how it works on windows
[09:26] <xananax> blazemore, yes, they do, ~/.steam/steam/SteamApps/common actually
[09:26] <dr_willis> xananax:  if 4 users all installed steam and the same games on the same linux box.. i THINK it would actually make 4 copies of the game.
[09:27] <dr_willis> which would be a BIG issue :) in some cases
[09:27] <dr_willis> plus  steam updates itself (the version in the users home) which sort of makes the whole point of hjaving steam.deb packages a little pointless
[09:27] <xananax> dr_willis, I am certain the games are in my ~, that's a fact. I am just wondering if there is any possibility that deps would be installed outside
[09:27] <xananax> since the games are not managed by apt, I would not know what the deps are, or how to get them
[09:27] <dr_willis> if you reinstalled the steam.deb i would think  it would work fine,
[09:28] <X200> Is there a way to use apport to collect logs and save them on the system for my examination?
[09:28] <dr_willis> the games wouldent need any deps. i imagine
[09:28] <dr_willis> or the steam.deb sould manage them
[09:28] <xananax> Yeah me too. Well...Gonna try and I'll know
[09:30] <vlitomsk> hello
[09:31] <vlitomsk> i've problem: openbox always starts with GNOME session because in past i've added startup application and now it runs
[09:32] <vlitomsk> (it = startup application)
[09:32] <dr_willis> startup stuff can be defined in the .config/autostart directory i belive
[09:32] <vlitomsk> i don't use any login manager, i use startx , and in ~/.xinitrc `dbus-launch --exit-with-session openbox-session`
[09:33] <dr_willis> openbox may have its own directory or file also
[09:33] <vlitomsk> i've cleaned /etc/xdg/openbox/autostart and ~/.config/openbox/autostart
[09:33] <dr_willis> theres a .config/autostart also
[09:33] <dr_willis> but you may want to ask in #openbox
[09:33] <vlitomsk> thank you
[09:34] <dr_willis> people just done use 'saved sessions' like they used to years go.
[09:34] <vlitomsk> lol, #openbox need invitation
[09:34] <dr_willis> more likely its 'regeiesterd nicks only;
[09:34] <bekks> vlitomsk: Youneed to register your nickname.
[09:34] <dr_willis> !register
[09:35] <vlitomsk> thx
[09:35] <vlitomsk> another try..
[09:35] <dr_willis> id also say check the openbox faq/docs
[09:36] <vlitomsk> yeah! it works! problem was in ~/.config/autostart
[09:36] <vlitomsk> i thought it's only GNOME folder
[09:38] <[[thufir]]> I'm on 12.04 and have broken packages regarding openjdk installing:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/5988309/    not sure how fix that
[09:39] <blazemore> [[thufir]]: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get -f install
[09:39] <[[thufir]]> I did the update, I just don't like that -f option.  can that lead to further breaking the system?
[09:40] <[[thufir]]> oh, 12.04 LTS (don't want to distro upgrade for a while)
[09:40] <blazemore> tell me what it says before you accept any changes
[09:40] <[[thufir]]> thx
[09:42] <[[thufir]]> blazemore: it just want's to upgrade skype and skype-bin  http://pastebin.com/ZpE5Fxd7     however, that makes me wonder, why doesn't it just do that automatically?
[09:43] <blazemore> [[thufir]]: How did you try to install openjdk?
[09:43] <Ben64> [[thufir]]: you shouldn't be using a root shell
[09:43] <blazemore> [[thufir]]: What happens when you try to run sudo apt-get install openjdk-7-jre-headless
[09:46] <[[thufir]]> trying to install headless leads to tzdata-java, which won't install:  http://pastebin.com/qjF2sGjN
[09:48] <Concrete> Hey
[09:48] <Ben64> [[thufir]]: you either have held packages and its messing up dependencies, or you have a ppa, or both. and you really should be using sudo instead of a root shell
[09:49] <[[thufir]]> on the held broken packages, that's definitely what the error message says.  I did upgrade and update, as well as clean and auto-clean.  I'm looking but, unsure how else to fix held packages.
[09:49] <Concrete> Does anyoe know how to change a Ubuntu forum username? Perferably without contact an admin
[09:53] <MuhQ> Hey guys... i created a new service in xinet.d with some arguments on "server_args". I restarted xinet.d an the service was listening on the port, but if i run "xinetd -d" then i see that my arguments are not set... What could it be? http://pastebin.com/rtgvrBYN
[09:54] <bekks> MuhQ: So which service exactly did you create using which arguments exactly?
[09:54] <antar> Hi everybody
[09:54] <tatz> fuck you
[09:55] <bekks> tatz: Watch your language.
[09:55] <tatz> dont tell me how to live my life.
[09:55] <MuhQ> a printer service (lpd) on port 515 with the argument "server_args     = cups-lpd -o document-format=application/octet-stream"
[09:55] <bekks> Then live it outside this channel.
[09:55] <DJones> !guidelines | tatz
[09:56] <tatz> !guidelanes | DJones
[09:56] <tatz> !guidelines | DJones
[09:56] <MuhQ> but on "xinetd -d" i get the output: "Server argv ="
[09:56] <tatz> what was that for.
[09:56] <bekks> MuhQ: The server arguments should be in quotes.
[09:56] <DJones> tatz: If you want to stay in the channel, please follow the guidelines you've just been given
[09:57] <k1l_> tatz: stop that behaviour immediately if you want to stay in this channel.
[09:58] <tatz> whoa dood
[09:58] <tatz> don't shoot, im a friendly
[09:58] <antar> i have installed terralinux , it has a lot of effect i want to remove them any way to do that ?
[09:59] <tatz> antar,
[09:59] <k1l_> antar: delete the partition its installed into
[10:00] <X200> Unity logs are saved in /var/log/lightdm/ ?
[10:00] <k1l_> X200: or in .xsession-errors in home
[10:00] <tatz> X200, no
[10:00] <antar> kll i mean the unity effects how can i take like a simple ubuntu
[10:00] <tatz> they're saved in /var/log/heavydm/
[10:00] <tatz> antar, you mean with like gnome2?
[10:00] <DJones> antar: Terralinux isn't a supported release of Ubuntu, you'll need to ask in its own support channel
[10:01] <X200> k1l_: thanks
[10:01] <k1l_> antar: terralinux is not supported. install ubuntu to get ubuntu support
[10:01] <antar> its normal ubuntu version
[10:01] <antar> just have some unity effects
[10:02] <k1l_> antar: then it would not be named terra linux :) see their support, we dont know what they changed
[10:02] <antar> kll_ if you have a ubuntu and you installed a theme how you can remove it then ?
[10:03] <DJones> antar: Presumably you would do the opposite of what you did to install the theme
[10:03] <k1l_> antar: change the  theme with unity-tweak-tool
[10:03] <antar> mmm ok kll_
[10:08] <X200> hey found a funny error log in .xsession-errors while trying to debug a problem. "gnome-session[5271]: CRITICAL: We failed, but the fail whale is dead. Sorry...."
[10:12] <[[thufir]]> is there a better way to install tzdata-java than to manually download the .deb as found here:  http://superuser.com/questions/478284/dependencies-problems-installing-openjdk-on-ubuntu   which seems like it will just further break packaging.
[10:14] <DJones> [[thufir]]: Looks like the package is in the repo's, so sudo apt-get install txdata-java should work
[10:15] <DJones> tzdata-java even
[10:20] <Xethron> Hello
[10:20] <Xethron> I'm getting the following error: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.17' not found (required by ./Engine)
[10:20] <Xethron> how do I install GLIBC_2.17?
[10:21] <smartboyhw> Xethron, which version are you in?
[10:22] <[[thufir]]> DJones: pardon about that, I wasn on finch and got may paste mixed up.  it's the wrong version of tzdata for some reason:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/5988388/
[10:23] <smartboyhw> Xethron, I mean, Ubuntu version
[10:23] <Xethron> 12.10
[10:23] <DJones> [[thufir]]: I wasn't following the conversation in detail, not sure why it would be the wrong version though
[10:24] <DJones> Xethron: Looks like that version is only available in 13.04, 12.10 looks to have version 2.15
[10:24] <Xethron> :/
[10:24] <Xethron> Can't I get it somehow?
[10:25] <Xethron> Or would it break other things?
[10:25] <CatKiller> http://www.iana.org/time-zones
[10:25] <CatKiller> it's just a set of files
[10:25] <CatKiller> easy to replace
[10:25] <CatKiller> you can keep the original somewhere in case something goes wrong
[10:26] <DJones> Xethron: I can't see any alternatives
[10:27] <[[thufir]]> DJones:    I have the exact problem as here:  http://superuser.com/questions/478284/  where apt seems to want the wrong version of tzdata-java and the only solution seems to be to manually download a different version.  Isn't apt supposed to figure that stuff out on its own?
[10:28] <smartboyhw> Xethron, well, maybe you can compile it yourself
[10:29] <Argh> Moin, moin!
[10:29] <Argh> Moin, moin!
[10:31] <DJones> [[thufir]]: Looks like somebody else has a similar problem, there is a bug filed (although its in spanish) in the last 24 hours so possibly something that will be in the process of being fixed
[10:32] <[[thufir]]> wild, I didn't notice the bug fix!  thanks for seeing that.  will it break anything were I to manually download the .deb suggested?
[10:33] <DJones> [[thufir]]: The bug isn't saying its been fixed yet, and doesn't look to have been reviewed, so could be a while before it gets sorted, as with any manual install, it could break something, I'd be tempted to wait for now and see what happens
[10:35] <[[thufir]]> hmm, thanks.  well, at least it explains why apt wasn't figuring it out as I would expect it to normally.
[10:36] <Skizu> Hey odd question, how do I search for a file?
[10:36] <blazemore> Skizu: locate filename
[10:36] <Dr_Willis> the ubuntu dash has a search feature also
[10:36] <Dr_Willis> locate uses a database, thats updated automatically every 24 hrs via a cron job also.
[10:37] <Skizu> dash? I've no dashboard
[10:37] <Dr_Willis> Skizu:  so it sort of depends on what you are looking for
[10:37] <Dr_Willis> !dash
[10:37] <Dr_Willis> heh wrong factoid
[10:37] <Dr_Willis> top left button in unity, brings up the dash. as does taping the super key
[10:38] <Dr_Willis> locate and find are cli tools to search for files/dirs and do things with them
[10:38] <Skizu> Dr_Willis: I've no GUI :)
[10:38] <Dr_Willis> locate and find are cli tools to search for files/dirs and do things with them <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< as we said...
[10:39] <Dr_Willis> 'sudo updatedb' will force the locate database to update
[10:40] <Dr_Willis> ls -R | grep pattern    ;) for some cases.
[10:40] <Skizu> Can I use locate with a given star point e.g. /var/www/dir
[10:41] <Dr_Willis> locate has dozens of options
[10:42] <puca> anyone know why volumes mounted by nfs may get file handle errors after a while when there's no changes made to the files on the server or the server itself?
[10:42] <blazemore> Do you have an exact error, puca ?
[10:44] <puca> let me see.
[10:44] <blazemore> puca: Potentially useful info in this thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2078268&page=2
[10:44] <puca> the error is Stale NFS file handle.
[10:45] <vice_> folks, can i ask a question about xfce ubuntu?
[10:45] <blazemore> !xubuntu | vice_
[10:46] <puca> blazemore: the problem is that my setup worked fine until I rebooted the machines. that makes me think this is a problem with the internal naming of the machines.
[10:47] <puca> so everything worked fine, I rebooted then had problems finding the nfs mount until I rebooted the server two more times then all the servers were able to mount the volume.
[10:47] <Skizu> How do I install/download stuff of github?
[10:47] <puca> they were able to mount the volume but after accessing it for a few hours they spontaneously unmount it.
[10:47] <puca> and I can't see anything useful in the logs.
[10:47] <Dr_Willis> puca:  dmesg may have some info.
[10:48] <Dr_Willis> nfs server configs may also have a verbose logging feature
[10:48] <Dr_Willis> !git
[10:49] <puca> tried to look at dmesg earlier to no avail but I guess I can take another look and see if there's anything.
[10:50] <puca> I am not familiar with the format of these logs though so I might not be literate enough to spot something that should be obvious.
[10:53] <vice_> i have a trouble with my second screen, i cant change resolution (1280x1024
[10:54] <Dr_Willis> vice_:  what drivers are you using and what video card?
[10:55] <vice_> oh, i didn install drivers, sorry
[10:56] <vice_> im using ubuntu first time, cant used to it :)
[10:56] <puca> hm, actually I may see something now. how do I find out what sda1 for example is?
[10:56] <vice_> where can i check my equipment, its not my own pc?
[10:56] <Dr_Willis> puca:  the mount command shows where things are mounted
[10:57] <puca> ^___^
[10:57] <puca> ty
[10:57] <Dr_Willis> vice_:   'lspci' shows hardware info  and theres an 'addatitional-driver' tab in the software-sources tool
[10:58] <vice_> Dr_Willis: ty, i have to install Nvidia drivers now?
[10:59] <vice_> VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RV740 PRO [Radeon HD 4770]
[10:59] <teeceepee> ok windows guy keep doing vxx-new-version/ in a git repository!
[10:59] <vice_> IDE interface: NVIDIA Corporation MCP55 SATA Controller
[10:59] <auronandace> vice_: vga is the graphics
[11:00] <meister_> some german?
[11:01] <blazemore> !de | meister_
[11:01] <MuhQ> meister_: jop
[11:01] <BRK> how to upgrade from ubuntu 12.04.2 to ubuntu 12.04.3?
[11:01] <puca> if I have two computers accessing the same disk through nfs can this cause instability? they're doing a lot of reads and writes.
[11:01] <Dr_Willis> vice_:  i always use the nvidia drivers for my ncidia cards.
[11:01] <blazemore> BRK: You don't have to, the point-releases are just updates to the installation medium
[11:02] <meister_> thxx
[11:02] <vice_> teeceepee: are u speaking to me?
[11:02] <puca> also, is the information in dmesg written to another log with human readable timestamp?
[11:02] <BRK> but 12.04.3 comes with updated kernel and x stack.. how to get that?
[11:02] <teeceepee> vice_ depends on who you are
[11:03] <vice_> widnows guy ofc
[11:03] <Dr_Willis> wasent there somthing unusual about the 12.04.2 -> 12.04.3 updates..   I recall there being some extra command needed to go from one to the other.
[11:03] <blazemore> BRK: No, the .1, .2 and .3 releases are just integrating the updates into the iso
[11:03] <k1l_> BRK: the .3 release is like a servicepack on windows. when updating you get to that state automatically. its just for the case you need to make a new install you dont have to load all updates from that mean time
[11:03] <k1l_> BRK: to use the enablement stack see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[11:03] <blazemore> BRK: Basically as long as your system is up-to-date (sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade) you already have it
[11:04] <teeceepee> vice_ oh yeah, speaking to you lot
[11:04] <BRK> alright then.. thanks :-)
[11:04] <Sagitt> hi all
[11:04] <Dr_Willis> http://askubuntu.com/questions/106159/whats-the-deal-with-point-releases-in-lts-versions/243756#243756
[11:04] <Sagitt> i'v Acer Veriton N2620G with 2 x usb 3.0 and 4 x usb 2.0
[11:05] <Sagitt> usb 2.0 not works, but 3.0 yes
[11:05] <Sagitt> how i can fix this?
[11:06] <Dr_Willis> Sagitt:  determine the chipset the usb3 is using and look it up on the forums and askubuntu.com  (and the pc make/model also) there my be a kniown issue and known work arounds
[11:06] <max64> i need an ubuntu software to change my voice for audio chatting and recording...any suggestion?   ty
[11:07] <Sagitt> Dr_Willis: how i can determinate the chipset?
[11:07] <blazemore> max64: Take a look at Rakarrack, it's a sound effect rack designed for guitars but there's no reason you couldn't run your microphone through it
[11:07] <Dr_Willis> Sagitt:  lspci command would be where id start looking
[11:08] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[11:08] <max64> blazemore:thank you .. i gonna install it now
[11:09] <mojtaba> Hi, Could someone tell me how can I encrypt my whole hard drive? I am going to use Truecrypt, but it says it will format the drive first.
[11:09] <blazemore> mojtaba: Truecrypt has an option for encrypting data in-place but it's obviously slow
[11:09] <Dr_Willis> mojtaba:  you mean your os (/) drive?
[11:09] <mojtaba> Dr_Willis: Yes
[11:09] <mojtaba> blazemore: Where is it? I could not find it
[11:10] <Dr_Willis> mojtaba:  i think that had to been done during the install process
[11:10] <mojtaba> Dr_Willis: Is there anyway to do it now?
[11:10] <blazemore> mojtaba: If you want to encrypt your system installation I'd strongly recommend doing a reinstallation
[11:10] <meister_> Hi, I have two monitors. My graphics card is the Nvidia 7600gs. My DVI monitor is otherwise always run Windows on 1280x1024 pix in Ubuntu can no longer bring to this setting. However my second monitor is slightly smaller automatically adjusts well to 1280x1024 pixels. About the NVIDI Panal the DVI monitor can not be set so high. I currently have on at 1024x768 since that is the lowest common setting. Please Help. Thank you.
[11:10] <Dr_Willis> mojtaba:  no idea. I doubt it. you can encrypt your users home - i dont see much point in encrypting the whole drive
[11:11] <mojtaba> Dr_Willis: Could you please let me know how should I do that? (newbie)
[11:12] <ikonia> meister_: what mode are you running the display in ?
[11:12] <Dr_Willis> mojtaba:  do what?
[11:12] <mojtaba> Dr_Willis: To encrypt /home, if that suffices.
[11:13] <blazemore> mojtaba: http://www.howtogeek.com/116032/how-to-encrypt-your-home-folder-after-installing-ubuntu/
[11:13] <Dr_Willis> No idea how to do it after the install. I dont use the feature and i see DOZENS of people in here that enable the feature. then have to fight to restore their files/get them back - after system problems.. so i dont reccomend  encrypting your home either.
[11:13] <mojtaba> Dr_Willis: If I do backup with deja.., Is the backup encrypted?
[11:13] <Dr_Willis> whats 'deja' ?
[11:13] <blazemore> mojtaba: By default, yes
[11:13] <Dr_Willis> after your user logs in. the  user can access the unencrypted files..
[11:14] <BRK> Dr_Willis: dejadup I think
[11:14] <meister_> ikonia: Do you think TwinView?
[11:14] <ikonia> meister_: I'm asking you - I'm not guessing
[11:14] <mojtaba> Dr_Willis: Why you don't recommend /home encryption? How should I make my laptop secure?
[11:15] <Dr_Willis> mojtaba:  because i see DOZENS of people in here monthly fighting the encryption trying to recover their files.
[11:15] <ikonia> mojtaba: have a real look at your data, does it really warrent the need for encyption ? and do you feel you have the required linux skills to manage it
[11:15] <blazemore> mojtaba: I'd recommend you use Truecrypt to create an encrypted file container, and put any sensitive files in it
[11:15] <mojtaba> Dr_Willis: What if I run backup weekly?
[11:16] <ikonia> mojtaba: you're missing the point a bit
[11:16] <mojtaba> ikonia: It is all private data and I am always learning.
[11:16] <meister_> ikonia: I do not understand exactly what you mean.
[11:16] <Dr_Willis> mojtaba:  what about it.. you should be doing that anyway.
[11:16] <ikonia> meister_: what mode is the nvidia driver running in, twinview, mirror, span,
[11:16] <mojtaba> blazemore: Can I put e.g. .thunderbird in the container?
[11:16] <ikonia> mojtaba: what sort of private data ? sensitive data ?
[11:16] <blazemore> mojtaba: Then I recommend you back up your data and reinstall, choosing the LVM and encryption options during the installation
[11:16] <meister_> ikonia: in twinview
[11:17] <blazemore> mojtaba: That way your entire system will be encrypted and you will have to enter a password before it will boot
[11:17] <ikonia> actually, it's up to you, but I very rarely see people with a real need to encrypt their home data
[11:17] <mojtaba> ikonia: credit card, passwords, emails,...
[11:17] <ikonia> mojtaba: you'd be better to just encypt those files
[11:17] <ikonia> meister_: doesn't twinview require the monitors to have the same resolution ?
[11:18] <mojtaba> ikonia: Can I put the .thunderbird directory in an encrypted container?
[11:18] <Dr_Willis> ikonia:  no it does not. ;)
[11:18] <Dr_Willis> i use twinview all the time with differnt res
[11:19] <mojtaba> Dr_Willis: What is twinview?
[11:20] <Sagitt> Dr_Willis: posted
[11:20] <Dr_Willis> mojtaba:  nvidias variation of the xinerama feature of X
[11:22] <ikonia> Dr_Willis: was that in reference to twinview ?
[11:22] <ikonia> Dr_Willis: can you use it with different resolutions now ?
[11:22] <meister_> ikonia: I would like to have the same resolution on both monitors. On Windows, it worked! The DVI monitor goes to 1360x768 but strangely missing in 1280. the other goes up to 1280 pix ... I have to translate with google translate.
[11:22] <Dr_Willis> yes. twinview works fine with differnt res monitrors.. dont it that way for like.. er years. ;)
[11:22] <ikonia> I've not used it or tried to on different spec monitors for a long time
[11:22] <Dr_Willis> i dont rcall it ever having that limitation.
[11:23] <ikonia> it did at one point, I had a problem with it, but I'm not a current differnet spec user
[11:23] <Dr_Willis> in the 13.04 release (perhaps earlier?) you can just plug in the 2nd monitor and it automatically enabled twinview here for me.
[11:23] <ikonia> sounds good
[11:23] <Dr_Willis> which suprised me that it worked that way, ;)
[11:24] <ikonia> Dr_Willis: that must mean it now generates the xorg.conf correctly, but I also thought xrandr didn't work with twinview for "on the fly" changes, appears I'm wrong on that too
[11:24] <Dr_Willis> problem is my 2nd monitor is a big tv. that i leav off most of the time. it enabled it.. evne tho the tv was off.. and i wonderd where a lot of my apps were vanishing to. ;) they were on the 2nd monitor. :)
[11:24] <Dr_Willis> it dosent even need an xorg.conf  i think ikonia .
[11:25] <ikonia> Dr_Willis: must do for twinview
[11:25] <Dr_Willis> if you want  to set some settings - it does need an xorg.conf i recall (like what monitor for lightdm to use and so forth)
[11:25] <Dr_Willis> I have no xorg.. plug in a 2nd monitor.. tqinview gets enabled on the fly. no xorg was generated.
[11:25] <puca> has anyone experienced that several computers accessing the same folder at once through nfs has lead to instability?
[11:26] <Dr_Willis> if i want to make sure that lightdm does show up on the pc monitor and not the tv  i must use an xorg.conf for that
[11:27] <Dr_Willis> night all
[11:28] <rudivs> I have a particular usb  thumbdrive which has stopped automounting in 12.10. If I click on it in nautilus, it will mount fine. other drives automount. any ideas why? disclosure: I have been trying to set up udev rules for when it mounts, but I have removed these so they should not affect the mount process.
[11:29] <Kroach> how can I change the keyboard shortcut for HUD from the command line?
[11:29] <blazemore> Kroach: Why from the command line?
[11:31] <Kroach> blazemore: HUD causes a game(Torchlight), where Alt is a permanent keybinding to minimize and I want to make a script that changes the HUD shortcut, launches the game and restores the HUD shortcut back to Alt
[11:33] <nowords> q
[11:33] <nowords> q
[11:44] <niuniu> ?
[11:45] <yakster> does anyone here use a newsgroup to download files? if so, will that file retain the mtime/ctime of the downloaded file if it came from a compressed archive?
[11:46] <DJones> !rootirc | niuniu
[11:48] <DJones> yakster: I've not used newsgroups for over a year, from memory I've got a feeling that when the file was saved, it had the current time rather than the original creation time
[11:50] <yakster> I fond my answer, I am getting archives of files, and gzip is retaining the date and time of the archive, versus creating a new ctime/mtime when the archive was extracted
[11:52] <k1l_> !away > g_byers
[11:53] <meister_> I'm going crazy. Now I have replaced the plug on the video card and now shows me my big screen only 600x800 pix to ... :/ What's going on just cautious?
[11:54] <g_byers> bad ubottu pming without permission
[11:54] <g_byers> ...
[11:56] <k1l_> g_byers: better stop that away nickspam than making comments like that :/
[11:57] <Kartagis> how do I find what wm I am running?
[11:58] <ActionPa1snip> Kartagis: ps -ef | egrep 'compiz|openbox|fluxbox|xfwm|kwin|metacitty|mutter'
[11:58] <ActionPa1snip> Kartagis: not pretty but you get the idea
[11:58] <k1l_> Kartagis: easiest way is the looks http://i.imgur.com/3N5f6.jpg
[11:59] <ActionPa1snip> Kartagis: Unity2d looks a lot like Unity3D
[11:59] <ActionPa1snip> k1l_: ^
[11:59] <Kartagis> compiz
[11:59] <Kartagis> thanks
[11:59] <ActionPa1snip> k1l_: unity is also not a DE, its a shell
[11:59] <Kartagis> I'm filing a bug, that's why
[12:00] <ActionPa1snip> k1l_: so your image is misleading
[12:00] <k1l_> ActionPa1snip: yeah, but to get a genereal idea what the user wants/needs is talking about its nice to have some visuals to shorten the results
[12:00] <k1l_> ActionPa1snip: oh come on
[12:01] <ActionPa1snip> k1l_: my command is a ot more concise :)
[12:02] <Kartagis> dang
[12:05] <ActionPa1snip> wmctrl -m   will also do it
[12:05] <ActionPa1snip> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5988737/  :)
[12:05] <puca> where should I be able to spot it in my logs when I get stale file handle errors for nfs?
[12:06] <hualet_deepin> any good suggestion for email check under linux?
[12:07] <iceroot_> hualet_deepin: like a mail client? or what is your question?
[12:07] <ActionPa1snip> hualet_deepin: use your web browser
[12:08] <hualet_deepin> i'd like is check for incoming mails automatically...
[12:08] <iceroot_> hualet_deepin: like a mail client? or what is your question?
[12:08] <ActionPa1snip> hualet_deepin: do you use gmail? and access it via your web browser?
[12:08] <k1l_> hualet_deepin: thunderbird is a email client and supports to show the number of new mails in the launcher
[12:08] <ActionPa1snip> hualet_deepin: try giving FULL details. We cannot read your mind, you have to fill us in
[12:09] <k1l_> hualet_deepin: and you can set how often to check for mails (if no imap push is available)
[12:10] <cheesec4k3> I have an encrypted root partition, but I accidentally overwrote grub when I was playing around with installing a portable distro on a usb stick.. I'm kinda fucked cause I can't access the data
[12:10] <cheesec4k3> I tried making a ubuntu usb bootstick, but it won't mount the encrypted partition despite the password being correct
[12:10] <ActionPa1snip> hualet_deepin: https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/precise/gm-notify/   I have used this in the past, makes the message notifier change when you get email in your gmail account
[12:11] <hualet_deepin> ActionPa1snip, thanks, i'll check that
[12:15] <ActionPa1snip> hualet_deepin: in future...full details please. I had NO IDEA you were using gmail....did U
[12:15] <ActionPa1snip> *I
[12:17] <hualet_deepin> ActionPa1snip: yes, i'm using gmail, and as english is not my mother tong, so i was alway late for response, and i'm really sorry for that
[12:18] <fsdhgh> how to enable file sharing bewtween ubuntu and windows
[12:19] <auronandace> fsdhgh: over a network?
[12:19] <ActionPa1snip> hualet_deepin: you can still say " i am using gmail " right?
[12:20] <fsdhgh> auronandace:yep through lan network
[12:20] <auronandace> !samba | fsdhgh
[12:20] <fsdhgh> auronandace: i have ubuntu pc and windows laptop. how do i do that?.
[12:21] <Mastablasta> Hey, I have my 13.04 Ubuntu updated all the way from 13.04 but it wont let me use desktop unless I type ctrl-c in the network enable recovery mode then it boots up fine otherwise it freezes after login
[12:21] <k1l_> fsdhgh: you could set up a shared folder on you windows machine and browse to that with the ubuntu file explorer (nautilus)
[12:21] <k1l_> fsdhgh: its the same as you would do with 2 windows machines
[12:22] <fsdhgh> k1l_: it is not showing up
[12:25] <Mastablasta> Does anyone know what may be wrong with my ubuntu installation by chance
[12:25] <auronandace> Mastablasta: not without details
[12:25] <ActionPa1snip> Mastablasta: do you use proprietary video drivers?
[12:25] <ActionPa1snip> Mastablasta: which version did you upgrade from?
[12:25] <Mastablasta> I just switched over to proprietary going to try those now
[12:26] <Mastablasta> I started at 13.04
[12:26] <ActionPa1snip> Mastablasta: thenhow do you update to 13.04 "all the way from 13.04"?
[12:26] <Mastablasta> never loads up without doing recovery mode enable network then ctrl - c in that terminal
[12:26] <Mastablasta> i just ran system updates
[12:26] <emphi> I have both Unity and Gnome desktop installed. After ending a Gnome session, I started a Unity session, but various remnants of Gnome remained, e.g. desktop theme and fonts.
[12:26] <ActionPa1snip> Mastablasta: is it a clean install of 13.04?
[12:26] <Mastablasta> yes
[12:26] <ActionPa1snip> Mastablasta: then updated to latest patches
[12:27] <ActionPa1snip> Mastablasta: o thats a bit clearer now
[12:27] <MonkeyDust> emphi  unity is gnome3 + eye candy, that may be why
[12:27] <ActionPa1snip> Mastablasta: what video chip do you use?
[12:27] <Mastablasta> nvidia
[12:27] <Mastablasta> i just tried going from alternative to propretary drivers dunno if it will effect
[12:29] <reynir> Hello. I'm trying to set up an upstart session for a user using this guide http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#non-graphical-sessions-ubuntu-specific
[12:30] <reynir> I am having some problems, though. My own jobs are not starting and upstart-file-bridge gives an error:  Unable to write pid file: Permission denied
[12:30] <emphi> MonkeyDust: Thanks, I see what you mean. But is that strictly true? Unity has the Dash (with search lenses), which Gnome lacks. That's not merely eye candy.
[12:30] <Mastablasta> How can i specify a certain network driver? I think it may be a network driver issue
[12:30] <reynir> I have checked the syntax with init-checkconf
[12:30] <jrib> reynir: ubuntu version?
[12:31] <Mastablasta> 13.04
[12:31] <MonkeyDust> emphi  I rephrase: Unity is a Gnome3 shell
[12:31] <reynir> jrib: 13.04
[12:31] <petapetapeta> Hello. I am attempting to set up a RAID1 using a LSI RAID controller, but everytime I reboot to install Ubuntu I lose the RAID configuration. What could be the cause of this?
[12:31] <jrib> reynir: well can your user write to /run/user/$uid?
[12:32] <jrib> reynir: erm, hold on.  I misread
[12:32] <reynir> jrib: Yes
[12:33] <jrib> reynir: try #upstart; I have no idea where upstart tries to write its pid file
[12:33] <emphi> MonkeyDust: OK. But is there an easy way for me to switch back and forth between unity sessions and gnome sessions, without having to tweak settings each time?
[12:33] <reynir> jrib: Thanks!
[12:34] <MonkeyDust> emphi  not sure
[12:34] <polpotter> For those of you who use dvorak, is there a noticable difference in speed?
[12:35] <auronandace> polpotter: thats not a ubuntu support question
[12:35] <Npc> i use a custom layout that is not dvorak, i'd say not necessarily in speed, but the feeling may be much more relaxed
[12:35] <Npc> of course depending on the language you type in and the layouts under comparison
[12:36] <jrib> polpotter: I use dvorak and agree with npc that there's no real speed benefit; but I make less awkward movements with my hands on the keyboard
[12:36] <polpotter> so it's easier/more comfortable to type with?
[12:36] <jrib> polpotter: i would say so
[12:37] <polpotter> alright, thanks
[12:39] <reynir> jrib: Do you have any suggestions for what else I can do? I want to run a couple of servers as a specific user. I also need to update the server software from time to time and I'd like a job that does that, too
[12:40] <emphi> Apologies if this question is too vague, but how is dpkg related apt?
[12:40] <jrib> reynir: well you can always just create upstart jobs and have them execute the job as a different user, you don't need the user init session for that
[12:42] <jrib> emphi: dpkg installs .deb files. When you want to install package X, apt can't just ask .deb to install X.deb since X.deb may have dependencies you don't have.  So apt figures out you need Y and Z too if you want X to work.  After it's done it calls dpkg to install Y, Z, and then X.
[12:42] <reynir> jrib: Right, thanks. I thought a user init session would be easier haha
[12:42] <jrib> reynir: probably would be if it worked ;)
[12:42] <jrib> reynir: if you didn't get an answer in #upstart, idle there for the day.  There are usually some pretty knowledgeable guys about upstart in there and they can probably help you once they come online
[12:43] <reynir> jrib: I will! Again, thanks :)
[12:43] <emphi> jrib: Thanks!
[12:55] <emphi> I installed the ubuntu-gnome-desktop package (to try out the gnome). I have now uninstalled it, but a lot of programs which I think were installed with it are still installed, e.g. evolution and gnome tweak tool.  How do I remove all of these?
[12:55] <emphi> *try out the gnome shell
[12:56] <Mastablasta> idk what it is but i just installed flash and youtube seems really fast frame rate lol
[12:56] <k1l_> emphi: unity is a shell for the gnome3 base, too. so it uses alot of gnome stuff like evolution (to show the calender in the top panel, etc)
[12:57] <k1l_> emphi: the not anymore used packages should be removed with a "apt-get autoremove" if they are nor depencie from another package wich is still marked as used
[12:58] <sunbirdFTW> Can I run Mozila Sunbird on 13.04? I tried it and it keeps crashing. It would be nice if I didn't have to use Lightning.
[12:58] <emphi> k1l_:  OK. I already ran apt-get autoremove. So I guess I was wrong to assume that evolution was installed with ubuntu-gnome-desktop?
[12:59] <k1l_> emphi: yes
[13:00] <emphi> k1l_:  But I just checked my other ubuntu computer and it does not have evolution installed.
[13:01] <macwolf74> evolution doesn't come by default I believe
[13:01] <smartboyhw> emphi, did you install any applications that caused evolution to be installed?
[13:02] <emphi> smartboyhw: I don't think so.
[13:03] <emphi> Is there any way to tell *when* a package was installed?
[13:03] <Pinkamena_D> my server has been working fine for about two years but crashed yesterday and wont boot up today. POST goes fine but then I just ge ta blinking cursor forever.
[13:03] <somsip> emphi: /var/log/apt/history*
[13:03] <Pinkamena_D> The blinking cursor can not be bypassed by holding shift during boot, or pressing the alt Fkeys
[13:03] <smartboyhw> emphi, BTW: I think evolution is pulled in by ubuntu-gnome-desktop...
[13:04] <smartboyhw> Using apt-cache show evolution
[13:04] <Pinkamena_D> any other cause of this?
[13:04] <smartboyhw> emphi, try if sudo apt-get purge ubuntu-gnome-desktop helps...
[13:05] <MonkeyDust> Pinkamena_D  is it a server? if yes, there's also #ubuntu-server
[13:05] <philinux> emphi: are you running xubuntu or kubuntu
[13:06] <Mastablasta> what driver would you guys reccomend for a nvida gts 8800 ubuntu 13.04
[13:06] <philinux> Mastablasta: nvidia-current will be fine
[13:06] <emphi> smartboyhw: I already tried apt-get purge. But it simply says the package is not installed. I could reinstall and then purge?
[13:07] <emphi> philinux: No, I'm not running either. Just plain ubuntu 13.04.
[13:07] <ActionPa1snip> Mastablasta: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install nvidia-current; sudo reboot      oviously run when you are ready to reboot the OS etc
[13:07] <Mastablasta> ok thanks alot
[13:07] <philinux> emphi: I wouldn't worry at all then unless you have problem
[13:09] <ActionPa1snip> Mastablasta: easier than WIndows :)
[13:10] <Mastablasta> ya not bad i just need to remem or write some this stuff down i am tripple booting on this pc win mac and linux now lol
[13:11] <emphi> philinux: OK, thanks. It's not really a problem. It's just weird.
[13:11] <ActionPa1snip> Mastablasta: sounds expensive
[13:11] <Mastablasta> I have the clover bootloader installed on my mac osx drive
[13:11] <Mastablasta> not at all
[13:12] <Mastablasta> older pc even duo core 8 gb mem basic nvidia card
[13:12] <Mastablasta> its real nice hooked up full digital audio
[13:12] <ActionPa1snip> Mastablasta: mac and windows all adds up
[13:12] <philinux> emphi: the ubuntu-gnome-desktop pulls in a few extra packages compared to a standard install with ubuntu-desktop
[13:12] <ActionPa1snip> Mastablasta: plus all the softwares
[13:12] <philinux> emphi: whats weird
[13:13] <Mastablasta> lol well that's what cracks are for software lol
[13:13] <emphi> philinux: Why aren't those extra packages uninstalled (by apt-get autoremove) after ubuntu-gnome-desktop is uninstalled?
[13:14] <ActionPa1snip> Mastablasta: oh illegal stuff...makes sense :(
[13:14] <Mastablasta> educational purposes lol
[13:14] <ActionPa1snip> Mastablasta: ok
[13:15] <philinux> emphi: it's the same with ubuntu-desktop. you could use synaptic to look at the dependencies and remove them one by one. Tedious though and wouldnt save much diskspace
[13:17] <emphi> philinux: I see. One more tiny related thing: when my computer boots it briefly displays the default gnome wallpaper (stripey blue) before changing to the familiar unity purple. Why? And can I stop it?
[13:18] <gnuweb> hey foureight84
[13:18] <foureight84> hey
[13:18] <foureight84> gnuweb, wassup
[13:19] <chrstn> hello, I am running 13.04 which I freshly installed yesterday (but I have been using linux for almost 2 years now), for the first time I decided to use full disk encryption (using all default settings in the ubuntu installer), now to my problem: I have a 6GB tar file, and when I run sha256sum (default tool), it gives me a different result for each call, which is very bad, can anybody help me out with finding out what's going wrong o
[13:19] <reynir> after writing a new upstart job, do I have to run a command in order for them to be available?
[13:20] <reynir> nevermind
[13:24] <philinux> emphi: is that at the login screen or directly after grub
[13:25] <emphi> philinux: Before grub, if I remember correctly.
[13:26] <philinux> emphi: before grub is the bios text
[13:26] <moko> hi
[13:27] <Mastablasta> thanks for your help earlier guys my system is up and running propely now no problems
[13:27] <sunbirdFTW> Is there a good offline calendar program that supports the ical format?
[13:27] <emphi> philinux: Perhaps after grub then. But definitely before the login screen.
[13:28] <emphi> sunbirdFTW: I use the lightning add-on for thunderbird.  Seems good.
[13:28] <chrstn> addendum to my problem with sha256sum: I just ran dd if=/dev/zero of=zeroes bs=1M count=4000 && sha256sum zeroes && sha256sum zeroes and it gave me 2 different sha256sum results (I have 4GB RAM)
[13:28] <moko> sunbirdFTW, ye lightning on thunderbird is the way to go
[13:29] <sunbirdFTW> emphi: But I don't need an email client, I only need a calendar progrma. :\
[13:29] <sunbirdFTW> *program
[13:29] <nyuszika7h> hi, how can I tell gnome-terminal to strip trailing whitespace on selection? it's annoying when copy-pasting from my IRC client, unless I use rectangular selection the text I paste has a lot of trailing spaces, which causes spam.
[13:30] <emphi> This IRC thing is cool. Never used it before.
[13:31] <Mastablasta> is anyone trying out the spotify for linux app
[13:31] <tmmunq> is that another radio station?
[13:32] <Mastablasta> no spotify is pretty cool you can make playlists off of artists albums for free full albums to stream
[13:32] <Mastablasta> i think it may have radio too but i dont use it for that
[13:32] <tmmunq> does it pause after a set amount of time? does it have metal?
[13:32] <Mastablasta> im up to 398 songs on my playlist
[13:32] <Mastablasta> its got all the metal ya
[13:32] <Mastablasta> ful lalbums
[13:32] <blazemore> Mastablasta: I have been using Spotify for Linux preview for a couple of years
[13:33] <tmmunq> apt-get install spotify?
[13:33] <Mastablasta> do you like it should i check it out
[13:33] <blazemore> tmmunq: Unlimited streaming, it has pretty much everything except The Beatles and led zep
[13:33] <Mastablasta> spotify-client
[13:33] <blazemore> Mastablasta: There's no point nowadays unless you need device-syncing and local file support, the web app is great http://play.spotify.com
[13:33] <blazemore> Mastablasta: The local client spotify-client is identical to the Windows client
[13:34] <tmmunq> ok, ill give it a try when i get home, im not in front of ubuntu right now
[13:34] <blazemore> I could sing the praises of Spotify all day but it's offtopic here
[13:34] <Mastablasta> nice thanks blazemore.. what kind of music do you like?
[13:35] <blazemore> Mastablasta: http://last.fm/user/blazemore but I'm not going to get into a discussion because offtopic
[13:35] <emphi> I just discovered mopidy. It's like mpd but it connects to spotify.
[13:42] <moko> is it possible to install ubuntu 13.04 alongside win8 with uefi & secure boot ON?
[13:44] <compdoc> moko, its always a risk, but I think it can be done. Have you thought about a virtual machine instead?
[13:45] <stroodlepup> hi guys :)
[13:45] <moko> compdoc, i'm planning on running resource demanding applications such as adobe and maya on windows, while using linux as my primary os, virtual machine wouldn't cut it on a laptop such as mine
[13:46] <moko> hi stroodlepup
[13:46] <moko> i suppose rolling back to win7 would be the easiest thing to do here
[13:47] <blazemore> moko: Correct me if I'm wrong, but even if you do that won't you still have secureboot?
[13:47] <stroodlepup> I'm trying to install windows... is it possible via an ubuntu pxe server?
[13:47] <moko> blazemore, secure boot can be disabled in bios
[13:48] <blazemore> stroodlepup: Take a look here http://oss.netfarm.it/guides/pxe.php#remoteinstall
[13:50] <moko> blazemore, but if i'm not mistaken, win8 requires secure boot to be ON, in order to boot. so it is quite tedious to change the bios settings prior to switching OS everytime
[13:50] <pl2> For the past few years, i've been unable to play any DVDs on my laptop through ubuntu. So, finally, I ask: WHY.
[13:50] <blazemore> pl2: legal reasons
[13:50] <pl2> :(
[13:50] <stroodlepup> blazemore: thanks :)
[13:51] <pl2> blazemore, so i'm not the only one?
[13:51] <blazemore> You need to install the "ubuntu-restricted-extras" package to play stuff like that
[13:51] <blazemore> !dvd | pl2
[13:51] <streulma> wan to use Ubuntu on my Retina, but the dpi is so low, on 2280px
[13:51] <streulma> how can I set the windows and text to higher without resizing ?
[13:52] <pl2> blazemore, oh, all right, thanks for that.
[13:52] <moko> pl2, as blazemore said, open the software center and install "ubuntu-restricted-extras" and you should be good to go
[13:53] <twoface88> can somone recommend global reduplication backup tool ?
[13:54] <ActionPa1snip> !backup
[13:55] <Mastablasta> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/01/how-to-install-spotify-in-ubuntu-12-04-12-10
[13:55] <Mastablasta> doing it that route got it to work
[13:55] <Jack^^> help...
[13:57] <ActionPa1snip> Jack^^: ask
[13:59] <streulma> hello, I'm back
[13:59] <genii> !details | Jack^^
[13:59] <Jack^^> i dont know what's wrong with this error..
[13:59] <Jack^^> i'm running ubuntu 13.04
[13:59] <smartboyhw> Jack^^, paste the error
[13:59] <vfw> Jack^^: Show us the error, maybe one of us will know.
[14:00] <smartboyhw> Or, just tell us what happened。
[14:00] <streulma> thus, want to use Ubuntu on my retina, but the resolution is so high, what can I do? if I set lower it is not so sharp enough. Someone can help the best matching settings?
[14:00] <Jack^^> i setup hostapd for my ubuntu before.. It works.. and other device can connect to my laptop and share the internet.
[14:00] <Vellik> Good day to every one. Has anyone here ever worked with Userful Multiuser?
[14:00] <Jack^^> after i update and upgrade ubuntu..
[14:00] <Jack^^> i got the error now..
[14:01] <vfw> streulma: xrandr  #Will tell you the available options
[14:01] <ActionPa1snip> streulma: decrease dpi in xorg maybe
[14:01] <blazemore> !anyone | vfw
[14:01] <Jack^^> if i dont use hostapd. my tablet can connect to it..
[14:01] <blazemore> vfw: Stealing my v[tab]...
[14:01] <Jack^^> with hostapd.. it is password protected.
[14:01] <Jack^^> Failed to create interface mon.wlan0: -23 (Too many open files in system)
[14:01] <Jack^^> Try to remove and re-create mon.wlan0
[14:01] <linglyz> #ubuntu-bots
[14:01] <Jack^^> Failed to update rate sets in kernel module
[14:02] <blazemore> !paste | Jack^^
[14:02] <Jack^^> Using interface wlan0 with hwaddr 00:25:d3:71:11:7c and ssid 'test'
[14:02] <ActionPa1snip> Jack^^: please use one line, hitting ENTER a lot makes the thread hard to follow
[14:02] <ActionPa1snip> Jack^^: as users talk in between
[14:03] <Vellik> I would like to know if it works on any distro of ubuntu or only on Edubuntu. Also, if extra PCI cards are necessary for each terminal.
[14:03] <ikonia> useful multiuser ?
[14:04] <Vellik> ikonia, Yes.
[14:04] <ikonia> I've never even heard of it
[14:04] <vfw> Jack^^: iwconfig  #see what that says
[14:04] <vfw> Jack^^: Is this a fresh install? (13.04?)
[14:05] <Jack^^> vfw: i use ubuntu 10 or 11 version before.. and i installed hostapd.. it works..
[14:05] <Vellik> "userful multiseat" is more common. You can add more terminals to a single unit. One Tower, one system, many people using working at the same time.
[14:06] <Jack^^> i upgrade the OS to 12 version and then 13 version..
[14:06] <Jack^^> it can't work after that..
[14:06] <vfw> Jack^^: cat /etc/issue #Show us what that says.
[14:06] <ActionPa1snip> Vellik: userful isnt free though
[14:06] <Jack^^> i remove hostapd and install it again.. it seem can't fix the problem.. i follow the step online.. can't fix it too.
[14:07] <Jack^^> http://imagebin.org/267691
[14:07] <blazemore> Jack^^: A little unconventional lol
[14:07] <Jack^^> :(
[14:07] <vfw> Jack^^: Hook up to wired network and do:  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[14:08] <Vellik> ActionPa1snip: have you ever used it? I wanna buy some dockings for buildinng a cyber cafe.
[14:08] <Jack^^> vfw: Ubuntu 13.04 \n \l
[14:08] <vfw> Jack^^: Ok
[14:09] <vfw> Jack^^:  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[14:09] <lmat> I'm following some directions to set up my DNS server to use Opendns, and the first instruction is    cp resolv.conf resolv.conf.auto
[14:09] <lmat> Is this file read, or am I just moving it to a backup (not well-known) location?
[14:09] <ActionPa1snip> Vellik: i know of it, with a little effort you can make the same in any linux distro
[14:09] <blazemore> lmat: Looks like you're backing it up there
[14:09] <Jack^^> vfw: in the process now..
[14:09] <lmat> By that I mean, Is resolv.conf.auto read.
[14:09] <lmat> blazemore: thanks.
[14:10] <vfw> Jack^^: Very good.
[14:10] <blazemore> lmat: although the ".auto" prefix is a little unconventional (I'd expect to see .old or .bak), perhaps they mean "this is the copy of resolv.conf with automatic configuration"
[14:10] <Jack^^> vfw: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[14:10] <lmat> blazemore: I was thinking the same thing; perhaps you're right.
[14:11] <Jack^^>  vfw: still the same.
[14:12] <vfw> !info dnsmasq | lmat
[14:12] <Jack^^> vfw: http://imagebin.org/267695
[14:12] <blazemore> Jack^^: Has it ever worked?
[14:13] <Jack^^> blazemore: it worked before i upgrade. =.="
[14:13] <Jack^^> i upgrade it yesterday
[14:13] <blazemore> Jack^^: Does it work when you select an older kernel from the Grub menu?
[14:13] <vfw> !paste | Jack^^
[14:13] <Jack^^> how to select older kernel? @@"
[14:13] <blazemore> Jack^^: Hold Shift when the computer is turning on to get the Grub menu
[14:14] <vfw> !pastebinit  | Jack^^
[14:14] <Jack^^> blazemore: have to restart the computer if i want to go grub menu?
[14:15] <blazemore> !grub | Yes Jack^^ , Grub is the bootloader
[14:15] <pl2> I just installed ubuntu-restricted-extras and it still can't play dvds. Did a restart for good measure, but still no go.. anything i'm missing maybe?
[14:15] <blazemore> !dvd | even after following the instructions here?
[14:15] <vfw> Jack^^: http://nims11.wordpress.com/2012/04/27/hostapd-the-linux-way-to-create-virtual-wifi-access-point/comment-page-3/
[14:16] <blazemore> vfw: sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread4/install-css.sh
[14:16] <Jack^^> vfw: i follow this link to do it just now.. can't work.. still have those error..
[14:16] <Jack^^> it used to work when i follow this link.
[14:17] <blazemore> Jack^^: Does it work when you select an older kernel from the Grub menu?
[14:17] <loke_erc> I'm reading the manpage for nfs(5) and under the description of proto=netid, they say the following: "f an NFS server has both an IPv4 and an  IPv6  address, using a specific netid will force the use of IPv4 or IPv6 networking to communicate with  that server.". What value for "netid" should I use to force ipv6?
[14:17] <Jack^^> i haven't restarted the  computer and try it
[14:17] <Vellik> ActionPa1snip: is there a way of managin multiple users the same way but without the userful multiseat docking?
[14:18] <vfw> Jack^^: I don't know about hostapd, maybe someone else can help.
[14:18] <blazemore> loke_erc: Presumably the relevant IP address
[14:18] <loke_erc> blazemore: No. I figured it out. It's "tcp6" or "udp6"
[14:18] <Jack^^> vfw: do u know any way to setup AP with the password protected? :( my tablet or any other device can connect to my netbook and share the internet because it is not password protected.
[14:18] <nihad> hello
[14:19] <pl2> blazemore, ahh forgot to run install-css.sh.
[14:19] <nihad> is this about unbutu
[14:19] <blazemore> nihad: Please read the /topic
[14:19] <auronandace> nihad: this is the ubuntu support channel
[14:19] <MonkeyDust> nihad  type /topic
[14:19] <nihad> ok
[14:19] <vfw> Jack^^: No
[14:19] <nihad> i need help
[14:20] <Vellik> Where are you from, nihad?
[14:20] <blazemore> nihad: ask a question then
[14:20] <vfw> nihad: With _________________ ?
[14:20] <ActionPa1snip> Vellik: you can make a multiseat system without userful, its just a bit of effort, you will be amnipulating xorg.conf to setup the sessions etc
[14:21] <vfw> nihad: There are over 1500 nicks on this channel.  Keep your comments clear and on one line, don't get lost in the crowd and we will try to help.
[14:21] <nihad> i have a vista cd but i annot install because of nfct
[14:21] <genii> !multiseat
[14:21] <MonkeyDust> nihad  better ask in ##windows
[14:21] <vfw> nihad: What is nfct?
[14:22] <Vellik> ActionPa1snip: Hm.. I'll check out the xorg.conf file to see if I can handle. Thanks a lot.
[14:22] <vfw> nihad: Keep in mind, this is #ubuntu and the topic here is Ubuntu Support.
[14:27] <ActionPa1snip> Nickeeh: as in ##windows
[14:32] <drmeiste_> Ubuntu on Virtualbox on OS X -- Does anyone know how to increase the default screen resolution from 1024x768?  The instructions I find on the net appear to be out of date.
[14:32] <auronandace> drmeiste_: you will at least need the guest additions
[14:33] <MKCoin> Hey, just did a fresh install of 12.04.2 and have decided to use Unity. How do I edit the command line parameters of icons in the launcher menu?
[14:34] <IdleOne> MKCoin: They have .desktop files in ~/Desktop
[14:34] <MKCoin> ~/Desktop is empty.
[14:34] <drmeiste_> auronandace: Thanks - I'll google that.
[14:35] <IdleOne> MKCoin: maybe they are hidden?
[14:36] <MKCoin> Nope, nothing. If I could just get the directory for the launcher icons I'm sure I can fix it
[14:36] <IdleOne> /usr/share/icons
[14:36] <MKCoin> the shortcuts in the menu, bro :V
[14:37] <IdleOne> MKCoin: I know, search your file system for *.desktop
[14:39] <MonkeyDust> MKCoin  in ~/.local/share/applications/
[14:39] <IdleOne> thank you MonkeyDust
[14:40] <MKCoin> strange, that folder doesn't even exist for me.
[14:41] <shafire> hi
[14:41] <IdleOne> MKCoin: you did put the . in front of local right?
[14:42] <MKCoin> Yes. I'm not new to Ubuntu, just new to Unity heh
[14:42] <shafire> could someone send me "libc.so.6" (x64) please?
[14:42] <IdleOne> MKCoin: just making sure :)
[14:43] <Nach0z> unitysux kthx
[14:43] <IdleOne> Nach0z: that is very helpful.
[14:44] <Nach0z> helpful part is to revert to ubuntu classic if you run into issues
[14:45] <Nach0z> I've got a radeon 6770M and I still run into issues with unity
[14:45] <MKCoin> It does seem to be an enormous step back in usability. It's been half an hour and I haven't been able to create a shortcut I need.
[14:45] <MonkeyDust> Nach0z  do you switch to a different DE, everytime something goes wrong?
[14:46] <vfw> shafire: What happened to yours?
[14:46] <Nach0z> MonkeyDust: typically, yes. usually I just revert to LXDE and it makes my life easier.
[14:46] <shafire> I am not using glibc, but I have a binary, which is linked against glibc.
[14:47] <vfw> shafire: Maybe just reinstall libc
[14:47] <x-s4nd3r> Hello everybody!
[14:47] <shafire> vfw: I am not using ubuntu :) Hoped for help from a distro, which uses glibc
[14:47] <vfw> shafire: Oh..
[14:47] <IdleOne> MKCoin: run the app and then right click on the launcherm you should be able to pin it to the launcher bar.
[14:48] <vfw> shafire:  YOu can't install it on yours?
[14:48] <shafire> No, we don't use glibc
[14:48] <vfw> shafire: See my pm
[14:49] <IdleOne> shafire: download it from packages.ubuntu.com if you need to
[14:53] <zlude> Someone know a software(command line) to get text from images? i use something like it a long time ago but i don't remember the name :/
[14:53] <MKCoin> Ok I made the shortcuts manually. How do I mark them as 'trusted'?
[14:54] <TJ-> shafire: Ubuntu uses eglibc, just in case you're not aware
[14:55] <TJ-> zlude: "strings" maybe?
[14:55] <shafire> TJ-: ah, didn't know, thanks
[14:55] <TJ-> zlude: Or do you mean literally, optical character recognition of bitmapped text?
[14:55] <TJ-> shafire: It is installed as libc6 though
[14:58] <bhavesh> "uptime" command says "20:27:47 up  1:07,  2 users,  load average: 2.48, 3.24, 3.05" Why does it say 2 users? I am the only one using my computer
[15:00] <ammini> bhavesh: w would show the other user
[15:00] <bhavesh> ammini: it says both users are me
[15:01] <ammini> bhavesh: Doh! Then you logged in two sessions
[15:02] <bhavesh> ammini: erm, one is gnome-session and another one is "w" http://i.imgur.com/eScg4MM.png
[15:02] <x-s4nd3r> bhavesh; that is one goodlooking desktop!
[15:03] <bhavesh> x-s4nd3r: thank you
[15:04] <babinlonston> Using Ubuntu 13.04 And its Update were Up to date , But there is a Notification Appears in Top Near to Date and Time , Showing a ! Mark Inside Triangle , If i Click it there is a Message as  The Update Information is Outdated. This is Caused By Network Problems or by a Repository that is no long available. Please update manully by selecting 'Show updates' from the indicator menu, and watching for any failing repositories . if i update , its shows as T
[15:04] <x-s4nd3r> is that 13.04, bhavesh?
[15:04] <ikonia> bhavesh: 2 session, 1 your desktop 2 the terminal
[15:04] <bhavesh> x-s4nd3r: nope, its 12.04.2 LTS
[15:04] <bhavesh> ikonia: okay, ty.
[15:05] <x-s4nd3r> 13.04 or 12.04? which should I get?
[15:05] <MonkeyDust> x-s4nd3r  12.04 if you want long support, 13.04 if you want the latest stuff, it's up to you
[15:06] <holstein> babinlonston: that could be just what it says.. if you added a ppa, and its "bad", or if the information is "out of date".. i would run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade" in a terminal.. and check for errors
[15:06] <x-s4nd3r> MonkeyDust: 13.04 doesn't have long support?
[15:07] <abdelkarim> hi
[15:07] <jpds> x-s4nd3r: No.
[15:07] <holstein> !13.04
[15:07] <rokon> any one using ubuntu 10.04 netbook in dual boot with win 7 i am facing problem
[15:07] <x-s4nd3r> then why would anyone download 13.04 if they don't have long support?
[15:07] <holstein> x-s4nd3r: 9 months from the time of release AFAIK..
[15:07] <x-s4nd3r> 12.04 is the previous version and it HAS More long support?
[15:07] <bhavesh> x-s4nd3r: 13.04 is supported for 9 months, 12.04 is supported for.. 5 years. Also 12.04 is more stable
[15:07] <x-s4nd3r> 9 months? what.
[15:07] <holstein> x-s4nd3r: folks use the regular releases becuase they are new.. and the LTS's becuase they are supported longer
[15:07] <rokon> i need help
[15:08] <bhavesh> rokon: just ask your question.
[15:08] <x-s4nd3r> why is 12.04 supported longer?
[15:08] <x-s4nd3r> and what is the meaning of 'stable distros'
[15:08] <MonkeyDust> x-s4nd3r  http://ubuntuone.com/4ayHg2YG9X77HXtehm8Mts
[15:08] <holstein> x-s4nd3r: because it is a long term support
[15:08] <rokon> it stuck on black screen ?
[15:08] <jpds> !lts | x-s4nd3r
[15:08] <bhavesh> x-s4nd3r: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS
[15:08] <babinlonston> holstein: checking  let u know after its finish
[15:08] <rokon> want am i do
[15:08] <holstein> x-s4nd3r: they are not intentded or guaranteed more or less "stable"..just longer time of support
[15:09] <holstein> !10.04 | rokon
[15:09] <holstein> rokon: try 12.04 and/or 13.04 and let us know.. desktop support for 10.04 has ended
[15:09] <jpds> holstein: They are intended to be more stable, they have a more conservative development cycle.
[15:10] <babinlonston> holstein: yes u right some error came please have a note on my paste bin http://paste.ubuntu.com/5989354/
[15:10] <holstein> jpds: nothing says that, officially and i find that misleading..
[15:10] <abdelkarim> i am using 10.04 lts
[15:10] <tmmunq> !11.04
[15:10] <rokon> i am using packard bell kav60
[15:10] <holstein> jpds: the "regular" releases are not intended to be "unstable"
[15:10] <jpds> holstein: It's just how it's done in the development cycle.
[15:10] <rokon> netbook
[15:10] <rokon> not support that
[15:10] <tmmunq> !11.10
[15:10] <jpds> holstein: No, as in introducting newer versions of packages, etc, in the mentality.
[15:10] <holstein> jpds: nothing states that, officially.. officially the different is this.. the support cycle
[15:11] <jpds> holstein: Dude.
[15:11] <x-s4nd3r> so, 13.04 or 12.04, is 12.04 full of bugs then? since it's a previous version and 13.04 obviously has a few bugs fixed, new things added, some things fixed...etc
[15:11] <rokon> what am i do
[15:11] <Mastablasta> just do 13.04 man iuts cool
[15:11] <jpds> x-s4nd3r: All software has bugs.
[15:11] <holstein> rokon: 12.04 and/or 13.04 support netbooks..
[15:11] <bekks> x-s4nd3r: 12.04 gets backports, security fixes, etc. - and it is supported from than three times longer than 13.04
[15:11] <abdelkarim> rokon: you need to fix the bootloader
[15:11] <MonkeyDust> x-s4nd3r  bugs are fixed with each update, nothing is bug-less
[15:11] <jpds> holstein: It even says it in the page you linked to: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS#Release_Plan_Details
[15:12] <rokon> i know i have try nomodeset
[15:12] <rokon> and noapic
[15:12] <x-s4nd3r> what is new in 13.04? I mean, what's the difference between 12.04 and 13.04?
[15:12] <jpds> x-s4nd3r: Why not try both of them, and see for yourself?
[15:12] <MonkeyDust> x-s4nd3r  any 13.04 review will tell you
[15:12] <holstein> jpds: the "in between" releases are *not* testing releases.. and i agree it is confusing, and challenging to convey to new users
[15:13] <abdelkarim> how to get google chrome for ubuntu ?
[15:13] <Mastablasta> it's running better then vista did a inbetween release lol
[15:13] <x-s4nd3r> MonkeyDust: why can't you tell me?
[15:13] <holstein> jpds: more conservative is not necessarily more stable.. or intended to be that.. though, that could be a by-product of that goal
[15:13] <Nach0z> abdelkarim: download from google
[15:13] <jpds> x-s4nd3r: Why can't you just go and see for yourself?
[15:14] <Mastablasta> just use 13.04 man what are u so worried about
[15:14] <bhavesh> x-s4nd3r: google it yourself.
[15:14] <MonkeyDust> x-s4nd3r  because this is support and the review tells more than I
[15:14] <Mastablasta> u must have problem choosing toothpase and stuff to eat lol
[15:14] <Nach0z> lol
[15:14] <x-s4nd3r> bhavesh: you could have said that in a more respectable way.
[15:14] <jpds> x-s4nd3r: If you're running Ubuntu on a large number of systems for a large number of people, use 12.04 LTS.
[15:14] <bhavesh> x-s4nd3r: yes, I could've
[15:15] <ocooel> How does Ubuntu 12.04.2 go as far as syncing and iPhone..?
[15:15] <Mastablasta> it's not a mac where if you update its gonan break lol
[15:15] <IdleOne> !behelpful
[15:15] <MonkeyDust> x-s4nd3r  here's a review http://www.zdnet.com/ubuntu-13-04-raring-ringtail-review-7000014497/
[15:16] <holstein> ocooel: nothing about ubuntu/linux prevents an iphone from syncing.. i understand sycning depends on itunes support..
[15:17] <ocooel> Mastablasta: Cheers.
[15:17] <Mastablasta> cheers
[15:17] <rxscabin> hello
[15:18] <ocooel> holstein: I don't need to sync for backups or updates since iPhone introduced over the air updates. Just music, video, photos, etc.
[15:18] <rxscabin> I am wondering if there are any special concerns about upgrading from 12.10 to 13.04.
[15:19] <ocooel> !releasenotes
[15:19] <rxscabin> I mean other than those.
[15:20] <holstein> ocooel: i dont have the hardware.. but if it shows up as a hard drive, you drag things over to it.. if not, you run what is reqired, which ubuntu nor linux prevent from running
[15:20] <ocooel> rxscabin: Backups are king when considering an upgrade
[15:20] <ocooel> holstein: It is showing up like an ext hdd would.
[15:20] <ocooel> That is easy then :-)
[15:21] <x-s4nd3r> I have 4GB ram, can I run Ubuntu lightning fast on my computer?
[15:21] <bhavesh> x-s4nd3r: yes, also depends on your graphics card
[15:22] <holstein> ocooel: in theory, its drag and drop sync then.. again, i dont have the hardware
[15:22] <bhavesh> x-s4nd3r: and processor, will you be using default Unity? DE's matter too
[15:23] <x-s4nd3r> processor is 1280.00mHz
[15:23] <x-s4nd3r> AMD E-50 Processor
[15:23] <x-s4nd3r> AMD E-350 Processor*
[15:23] <bhavesh> x-s4nd3r: and graphics card?
[15:23] <x-s4nd3r> bhavesh: how can I check that?
[15:23] <ocooel> holstein: TY. I'm just not sure if there's a way to create and save a backup on linux yet, but I'll continue to use iCloud and that way don't need iTunes.
[15:24] <xangua> x-s4nd3r: you can just try a live session and see for yourself, you know¿  ;)
[15:24] <holstein> ocooel: good luck!.. i hope it works out for you
[15:24] <bhavesh> x-s4nd3r: Open up "Terminal", and type: lspci | grep VGA
[15:24] <Mastablasta> http://postimg.org/image/4fjg0xzf9/ that's my setup right now
[15:24] <Skizu> Hey my server seems to be having with issues using thing's such as curl {and fopen() in PHP} I'm getting a (6) Couldn't resolve host can anyone help?
[15:24] <ocooel> holstein: Do you know where I can read about iPhone and GNU/Linux..?
[15:24] <holstein> Skizu: can you ping the hosts?
[15:25] <MonkeyDust> !ipĥone | ocooel start here
[15:25] <ocooel> I'll try the community and forums, but it's hard to word it right for the search.
[15:25] <holstein> ocooel: not really.. i mean, ideally, iPhone would (and is welcome to) support the operating system you are choosing to use
[15:25] <MonkeyDust> !iphone | ocooel start here
[15:25] <ocooel> holstein, MonkeyDust: TY
[15:25] <x-s4nd3r> my graphics card is: 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Wrestler [Radeon HD 6310]
[15:26] <somsip> Skizu: does the host name exist? Does it fail for all host names?
[15:26] <Skizu> holstein: I get unknown host
[15:26] <Skizu> I can ping lets say google
[15:26] <ocooel> !rockbox
[15:26] <holstein> Skizu: could be as simple as setting the dns settings on the server then
[15:26] <MonkeyDust> x-s4nd3r  try it with a live cd or usb
[15:26] <Skizu> Anything externally, but internal sites hate it
[15:27] <Skizu> I'm new and haven't configurated anything, would you be able to talk me through it quickly?
[15:27] <holstein> Skizu: internal sites? can you refer to them by IP?
[15:27] <nemish> anyone know of a way to use physical disk as memory (not swap)… someone mentioned to me there is another way??
[15:27] <somsip> Skizu: are you using IPs or hostnames? If you're using hostnames, have you added them to /etc/hosts?
[15:27] <x-s4nd3r> MonkeyDust: is my graphics card good?
[15:27] <bhavesh> x-s4nd3r: Ubuntu will work pretty well, just don't forget to install proprety drivers if the pre included ones do not work well. Also if you want a faster UI experience, try LUbuntu
[15:27] <MonkeyDust> x-s4nd3r  see above, try it to find out, would be the best way
[15:28] <babinlonston> No one there to help ?
[15:28] <Skizu> somsip: By their full http url
[15:28] <MonkeyDust> x-s4nd3r  are you familiar with the concept of a live cd or usb?
[15:28] <Skizu> holstein: The rubbish I've been given to worth with work via a full http url, so i'm able to make it go off IP
[15:28] <somsip> Skizu: http://192.168.1.3 and http://media-server are both valid URLs. Are you using FQDNs or IPs?
[15:29] <bhavesh> x-s4nd3r: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110115121843AANdYK4
[15:29] <wilee-nilee> x-s4nd3r, Proprietary drivers from the manufacturer do not follow kernel upgrades at time be prepared for that if your in that position.
[15:29] <Skizu> somsip: What's FQDNs?
[15:29] <Skizu> They're not IPs..
[15:29] <bekks> full qualified domain names.
[15:29] <somsip> Skizu: Fully Qualiies Domain Name. Or justa hostname. Then can you ping the hostname?
[15:30] <x-s4nd3r> so is it good, bhavesh?
[15:30] <IdleOne> !usb | x-s4nd3r
[15:30] <IdleOne> x-s4nd3r: try it and find out
[15:30] <wilee-nilee> bhavesh, Your yahoo link has nothing to do with ubuntu running those drivers.
[15:31] <wilee-nilee> graphic setup*
[15:31] <Skizu> somsip: Ah appears I've not set up a FQDN, how would I go about doing that, explains me warning from apache :D
[15:31] <bhavesh> wilee-nilee: true, he asked me if his graphics card is good\
[15:31] <IdleOne> bhavesh: be helpful or you will be leaving this channel.
[15:31] <wilee-nilee> bhavesh, You have to be ubuntu centric!!!!
[15:31] <bhavesh> alright
[15:32] <somsip> Skizu: not necessarily needed for outgoing connections. Can you 'ping hostname' and does it work? If not, it wont work any better with fopen() or curl*() in PHP
[15:32] <Skizu> somsip: Nope I get unknown host
[15:32] <x-s4nd3r> if ubuntu 13.04's support is....finished...then I will be ignored on #ubuntu? like I won't get help?
[15:32] <somsip> Skizu: do you have the IP for that hostname? Can you ping that?
[15:33] <Skizu> Pings nicely via ip but I can't curl the IP sadly
[15:33] <abdelkarim> i have prb with ubuntu 10.04 lts ,about sound i have headphones working but speakers not working
[15:33] <somsip> Skizu: Do you know if IPs are static or allocated dynamically?
[15:33] <wilee-nilee> x-s4nd3r, In general yes, 12.04 has 5 years support.
[15:33] <MonkeyDust> x-s4nd3r  no, you'll have to upgrade to 13.10
[15:33] <Skizu> somsip: If I give it a FQHN I wouldn't need to add it to /etc/hosts?
[15:34] <MonkeyDust> x-s4nd3r  or to a supported lts, of course
[15:34] <x-s4nd3r> wilee-nilee: how can I try out Ubuntu online? there was something on ubuntu. I don't remember
[15:34] <DJones> abdelkarim: Support for desktop editions of 10.04 ended in May, its no longer supported in the Ubuntu channels
[15:34] <xangua> abdelkarim: upgrade to a supported ubuntu version ;)
[15:34] <Skizu> somsip: At the moment it's only local, but the box ip is handle via hdcp
[15:34] <somsip> Skizu: yes, like '192.168.1.3    media-server'. But if they are not static, they might fall out of date. Hence my question
[15:34] <x-s4nd3r> http://www.ubuntu.com/tour/en/ yea
[15:34] <MonkeyDust> x-s4nd3r  a live cd or usb would be the easiest way to try it
[15:34] <Skizu> s/hdcp/dhcp/
[15:34] <x-s4nd3r> http://www.ubuntu.com/tour/en/ what about this
[15:34] <wilee-nilee> x-s4nd3r, Download the iso and load a usb, or burn a dvd, as MonkeyDust suggests.
[15:35] <Skizu> somsip: they will always be calling to localhost
[15:35] <x-s4nd3r> is there a torrent for ubuntu
[15:35] <x-s4nd3r> 32bit
[15:35] <Skizu> somsip: or 127.0.0.1
[15:35] <xangua> x-s4nd3r: is just a tour...as suggest the link
[15:35] <IdleOne> !torrent
[15:35] <IdleOne> hmm not what i wanted
[15:35] <somsip> Skizu: you aren't calling different machines? You're only making fopen() or curl*() to the smae machine?
[15:35] <jacksparrow007_> I have a VM running ubuntu 10.04 on a remote server. I want to do remote dektop login from my windows 7 machine. What is the procedure? What client do I use?
[15:36] <wilee-nilee> jacksparrow007_, This a canonical ubuntu release, and a server or desktop?
[15:36] <MonkeyDust> x-s4nd3r  scroll down http://www.ubuntu.com/download/alternative-downloads
[15:36] <IdleOne> x-s4nd3r: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/alternative-downloads
[15:36] <Skizu> somsip: It's an internal curl, a messy cron by some crap code which I'm not allowed to change
[15:36] <jacksparrow007_> wilee-nilee: its a server
[15:37] <wilee-nilee> jacksparrow007_, From canonical?
[15:37] <somsip> Skizu: but it's calling the same machine, not a different one? If your default vhost is setup to route the request correctly, use localhost
[15:37] <jacksparrow007_> wilee-nilee: how do i check that?
[15:37] <Skizu> somsip: So to get it to hit itself, I'll have to add the site to hosts?
[15:38] <wilee-nilee> jacksparrow007_, Where sis you get the image?
[15:38] <wilee-nilee> did*
[15:38] <somsip> Skizu: localhost should be in /etc/hosts already unless something is wrong
[15:38] <yahyaa> can someone please help me with evolution???
[15:38] <x-s4nd3r> why does PRISM-BREAK does not recommend Ubuntu? http://prism-break.org is a website which lists the programs that are....monitored by NSA or NSA have some control over it, and they give alternatives.
[15:38] <ikonia> x-s4nd3r: ask them
[15:38] <holstein> yahyaa: ask with details, and we'll see if a volunteer can help
[15:38] <x-s4nd3r> http://prism-break.org mind taking a look at this, wilee-nilee & MonkeyDust?
[15:38] <x-s4nd3r> alright, ikonia
[15:38] <jacksparrow007_> wilee-nilee: its ubuntu 10.04 lucid
[15:38] <holstein> x-s4nd3r: you'll need to ask them..
[15:39] <yahyaa> when i setup my account with evolution, it doesnt connect to my gmail account??
[15:39] <jacksparrow007_> wilee-nilee: 10.04 lucid LTS
[15:39] <jacksparrow007_> wilee-nilee: does that help?
[15:39] <Skizu> somsip: It's in there but the cron isn't on http://localhost it's on http://asite.com
[15:40] <wilee-nilee> jacksparrow007_, Cool, we have seen external builds of ubuntu just making sure it is the supported version, others can help with your access question. ;)
[15:40] <somsip> Skizu: so your calling the machine that is running the webserver from another machine?
[15:40] <rosco_y> I just got a problem report popup with some detail about com.ubuntu.apport.apport-gtk-root, should I be concerned about this?
[15:40] <holstein> yahyaa: i would check the credentials.. 2 factor auth in gmail would break that..
[15:40] <somsip> Skizu: and you're working on the webserver? Do you have access to the other machine?
[15:40] <wilee-nilee> x-s4nd3r, None of that matters to me, prism that is, and an opinion not support.
[15:41] <Skizu> Machine1 is calling Machine1 via it's FQDN(Which isn't set up)
[15:41] <jacksparrow007_> somebody help? Need to remote desktop login to my ubuntu 10.04(on server) from my windows 7 laptop
[15:41] <ikonia> !rdesktop | jacksparrow007_
[15:41] <Skizu> jacksparrow007_: putty
[15:41] <holstein> jacksparrow007_: 10.04 server has no "desktop", you can ssh into it with putty
[15:41] <ikonia> jacksparrow007_: there is a remote desktop application
[15:42] <ikonia> jacksparrow007_: however you'll need to setup an actually desktop running on the server
[15:42] <jacksparrow007_> i cant get the full GUI?
[15:42] <somsip> Skizu: if I understand you correctly, add '127.0.0.1 asite.com' to /etc/hosts
[15:42] <ikonia> jacksparrow007_: you can install a full gui
[15:42] <jacksparrow007_> how?
[15:42] <ikonia> jacksparrow007_: install the meta pacakge "ubuntu-desktop"
[15:42] <Skizu> somsip: Is there any other way so it's some what automated, as there will potentially be 100+ sites on here?
[15:43] <holstein> jacksparrow007_: you will want to use putty via ssh to keep the server as it is
[15:43] <Makinit> x-s4nd3r: "Canonical’s Ubuntu is not recommended by PRISM Break because it contains Amazon ads and data leaks by default. GNU/Linux distributions based on Ubuntu are also currently not recommended due to several other reasons."
[15:43] <zykotick9> ikonia: i'd doubt ubuntu-desktop is actually supported on the server version (not all packages are, now that desktop is EOL)
[15:43] <ikonia> Makinit: please don't make things up
[15:43] <x-s4nd3r> wilee-nilee: it is not an opinion, privacy is really important these days.
[15:43] <Makinit> I´m quoting their homepage
[15:43] <ikonia> Makinit: that website is nthing to do with this channel - ask the website owner why its not included
[15:43] <x-s4nd3r> ikonia, check out http://prism-break.org please.
[15:43] <ikonia> x-s4nd3r: no - I don't need to , I know what it is
[15:43] <jacksparrow007_> holstein: i want full GUI not just ssh
[15:44] <DJones> x-s4nd3r: That website has nothing to do with Ubuntu
[15:44] <rokon> which ubuntu good for Processor Type:	Intel Atom N280
[15:44] <rokon> 	Processor Speed:	1.66GHz
[15:44] <rokon> 	RAM Size:	1GB
[15:44] <holstein> jacksparrow007_: then, install what you like..
[15:44] <ikonia> zykotick9: he can move the repo to old-release.ubuntu.com
[15:44] <ikonia> zykotick9: but a fair point
[15:44] <holstein> jacksparrow007_: i would install a supported desktop version.. 12.04 or 13.04
[15:44] <x-s4nd3r> DJones, "Canonical’s Ubuntu is not recommended by PRISM Break because it contains Amazon ads and data leaks by default. GNU/Linux distributions based on Ubuntu are also currently not recommended due to several other reasons." I am confused at this.
[15:44] <wilee-nilee> x-s4nd3r, That is your opinion
[15:44] <tmmunq> what are those default data leaks? i dont use default installs
[15:44] <jacksparrow007_> i dont have that kind of permission :p
[15:44] <Skizu> somsip: I haven't set up any vhost stuff?
[15:44] <ikonia> x-s4nd3r: then ASK the WEBHOST for his reasons, it's nothing to do wtih this project
[15:44] <jacksparrow007_> i got the VM from my company
[15:44] <x-s4nd3r> tmmunq, it's added in ubuntu by default
[15:44] <DJones> x-s4nd3r: It has nothing to do with Ubuntu, last warning, please do not keep commenting on that in this channel
[15:45] <xangua> rokon: lubuntu or xubuntu...kde with no efects runs fine too
[15:45] <holstein> x-s4nd3r: amazon adds and unity lenses are "optional" if you feel they are doing something you dont like.. otherwise, we dont maintain that site or support it here
[15:45] <somsip> Skizu: you wil have a vhost for each site. If you have a cronjob calling 'curl http://a-aite.com' it will be routed according to the vhost file that matches 'ServerName asite.com' and will access the PHP files in the vhost too, eg 'DocumentRoot /var/www/asite'
[15:46] <Skizu> somsip: Soooo I need to set up my vhost :)
[15:46] <jacksparrow007_> ikonia: If i install ubuntu-desktop i'll be able to login?
[15:46] <abdelkarim> when installing chrome it says: Dependency is not satisfiable: gconf-service
[15:46] <somsip> Skizu: yes, and a hosts entry for each one if you are going to have 100s of cronjobs 'curl http://asite.com...curl http://bsite.com...etc'
[15:46] <ikonia> jacksparrow007_: sure
[15:47] <zykotick9> jacksparrow007_: if you want a GUI, i'd strongly suggest NOT using 10.04 and using something "supported" in the desktop realm
[15:47] <yahyaa> ok what credentials do I check and where? And I am running Kubuntu 13.4!
[15:47] <holstein> jacksparrow007_: you can "login" now.. without a GUI.. if you install a gui, you can run or forward a GUI.. 10.04 for the desktop is EOL
[15:47] <Skizu> They aren't true cron jobs but it's fine ok I'll do that one moment
[15:47] <holstein> yahyaa: the gmail credentials
[15:48] <holstein> yahyaa: you are running 13.04
[15:48] <bhavesh> abdelkarim: Are you trying to install Google Chrome?
[15:48] <zlude> Someone know a software(command line) to get text from images? i use something like it a long time ago but i don't remember the name :/
[15:48] <abdelkarim> yes
[15:48] <holstein> abdelkarim: in what? 13.04?
[15:48] <Mastablasta> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/46/UncleSamListensIn.jpg
[15:48] <abdelkarim> no ;) in 10.04
[15:49] <holstein> abdelkarim: 10.04 is not supported any longer..
[15:49] <yahyaa> dont need to check that, I know all of my info, when I set it up using Thunderbird it (thunderbird) works just fine, when I try to use evolution it doesnt connect!
[15:49] <yahyaa> yes 13.04
[15:49] <bhavesh> abdelkarim: After downloading the .deb from chrome.google.com, try installing it from the terminal with "sudo dpkg -i path/to/file.deb", it will show you which libraries are missing.
[15:50] <abdelkarim> ok i will try it
[15:50] <holstein> yahyaa: then use thunderbird.. and report a bug for evolution
[15:50] <bhavesh> abdelkarim: You can then try to install those libraries individually.
[15:50] <yahyaa> dont
[15:50] <lenzeor> Hey guys? Is it possible that Ubuntu doesnt support some harddrives?
[15:50] <jacksparrow007_> ikonia: It says ubuntu-desktop is already the newest version
[15:50] <jacksparrow007_> what next?
[15:50] <Mastablasta> no you got to have it partition right
[15:50] <yahyaa> know how to report a bug, new to this, however, it works fine with ubuntu
[15:50] <ikonia> jacksparrow007_: then it's already installed
[15:51] <jacksparrow007_> how do i login?
[15:51] <holstein> yahyaa: what works fine with ubuntu?
[15:51] <jacksparrow007_> do i need to enable x11 forwarding or something?
[15:51] <yahyaa> evolution
[15:51] <ikonia> jacksparrow007_: you have to have X configured and running, with a login manager, such as GDM running
[15:51] <holstein> yahyaa: kubuntu *is* ubuntu.. i think and still suggest checking the credentials again.. remaking the account.. i think you have something misconfigured
[15:51] <jacksparrow007_> ikonia: sorry, i didnt understand that
[15:52] <bhavesh> yahyaa: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[15:52] <Skizu> How would I go about reading a files content if I don't have permission to edit it?
[15:52] <yahyaa> i checked everything, user name pword, ports, everything
[15:52] <yahyaa> ok i will try that
[15:52] <holstein> yahyaa: dont "check".. remove the account ans start over
[15:52] <Skizu> So I can't nano it as I don't have permission to edit, but I have permission to run it
[15:52] <somsip> Skizu: cat file
[15:53] <yahyaa> does it matter if i have two mail clients installed?
[15:53] <somsip> Skizu: less might be easier with a long file
[15:53] <bekks> Skizu: You dont need edit permissions (aka write) to read a file.
[15:53] <yahyaa> i have removed the account over and over it still wont connect
[15:53] <jacksparrow007_> ikonia: How do i configure X? How do i run GDM?
[15:53] <holstein> !bug > yahyaa
[15:54] <Skizu> bekks: I know, I just didn't know how to read it...hence I asked how to read it....
[15:54] <holstein> jacksparrow007_: i suggest, if you want a destkop OS, install a supported desktop os.. otherwise, you can configure the server you are running to startx and run a desktop if you want
[15:54] <kenshiro> Hi, what is the release date for Ubuntu 12.04.3 ?
[15:55] <jacksparrow007_> holstein: installing another OS is not an option for me :(
[15:55] <bean> kenshiro: that answer is a simple google away, but it's the 22nd of this month
[15:55] <jacksparrow007_> how do i run a desktop?
[15:55] <holstein> jacksparrow007_: what desktop? and how are you tyring to run it where? in what scenario?
[15:56] <abdelkarim> can i upgrade ubuntu from iso image(i have in my hdd) of a higher version ?
[15:56] <L-sama> abdelkarim yes, if u installed that iso
[15:56] <auronandace> kenshiro: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule
[15:56] <bhavesh> kennyvb: 22nd August 2013
[15:56] <jacksparrow007_> holstein: no, you said i can run a desktop if i want
[15:56] <kenshiro> bean auronandace ok, thank you ! :-)
[15:56] <holstein> jacksparrow007_: correct.. what desktop are you trying to run? and why? and where?
[15:56] <bhavesh> kennyvb: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule
[15:57] <jacksparrow007_> i have ubuntu 10.04 on my server. I want to remote login with full gui access
[15:57] <abdelkarim> what you mean by installing i don't to loose my current programs
[15:57] <holstein> jacksparrow007_: sure.. but desktop (full gui support) for 10.04 is EOL
[15:57] <jacksparrow007_> holstein: sorry, what is EOL?
[15:57] <bean> end of life.
[15:58] <Skizu> somsip: Ok that's set up
[15:58] <Skizu> I can now ping it
[15:58] <holstein> jacksparrow007_: if you are  at a local machine, that is running ubuntu server 10.04, and you have installed ubuntu-desktop, you should reboot it and see a login scren
[15:58] <Skizu> But if I curl it just hangs
[15:58] <bhavesh> abdelkarim: From which version are you trying to upgrade to which newer version?
[15:58] <holstein> jacksparrow007_: what hardware is this on? is this a local machine? what are you tyring to do?
[15:58] <jacksparrow007_> no, the ubuntu is on a remote server
[15:58] <somsip> Skizu: is the webpage your are curl()ing respoding correctly?
[15:58] <bean> jacksparrow007_: is it a small VPS?
[15:58] <holstein> jacksparrow007_: then, you may not be allowed to do what you are trying to do
 from 10.04 to 12.10
[15:59] <holstein> jacksparrow007_: then, you can forward x applications individually (maybe, if the host allows that) via ssh
[15:59] <bhavesh> abdelkarim: You can only upgrade from an LTS version (10.04) to another LTS version (12.04), but generally a clean reinstall is recommended
[15:59] <Skizu> I'm using curl in ssh, when I visit the url it resolves fine and replies with the expected content
[16:00] <bhavesh> abdelkarim: First you will need to upgrade to 12.04 and then to 12.10
[16:00] <somsip> Skizu: post your curl command or try wget
[16:00] <holstein> jacksparrow007_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/PortForwarding#Forwarding_GUI_Programs
[16:01] <holstein> jacksparrow007_: otherwise, you are limited to what the host provides, which is not a desktop os..
[16:01] <holstein> jacksparrow007_: you will ask the vps for support, since we dont know how it is configured
[16:01] <L-sama> LTS editions are the bests
[16:01] <abdelkarim> bhavesh yes the update manager told me that
[16:02] <L-sama> ah k so its not an iso image
[16:02] <jacksparrow007_> holstein: I have sudo access, so i can change the configurations myself.
[16:02] <holstein> jacksparrow007_: so, you read the link i provided and try it.. if it doesnt work, you ask the host.. they provide ubuntu for you
[16:03] <Vellik> Excuse me guys. I can install edubuntu from the command line right now if I want, can't I? I'm on ubuntu 12.10.
[16:03] <Skizu> somsip:I used wget and it resolves but doesn't connect
[16:04] <somsip> Skizu: paste the curl command and the URL you are using the the browser that works
[16:05] <holstein> Vellik: i would just search the package manager of your choice for "edubuntu" and install what you like.. but you dont need to install edubuntu to run the applications
[16:05] <Vellik> interesting.. thank you, holstein.
[16:06] <IdleOne> Vellik: you can do sudo apt-get install edubuntu-desktop . You would then need to log out and select the edubuntu session in the Session manager. but like holstein pointed out you can install just the single apps and they will run.
[16:07] <Vellik> IdleOne: so the diferences between the distros is really just the environment..
[16:07] <IdleOne> correct
[16:08] <IdleOne> Vellik: there are other differences but none that prevent you from installing apps from one another.
[16:09] <ActionPa1snip> Vellik: you can run KDE apps in Gnome if you wish, you will install a lot of deps but it will work
[16:09] <bean> jacksparrow007_: keep in mind the limitations of a VPS, if you have a small amount of memory running a desktop could be a bad bad idea.
[16:09] <Vellik> IdleOne: actually what I am trying to install here is the userful multiseat docking. I was just wondering what could possibly be the obstacle for no to do it.
[16:10] <jacksparrow007_> bean: but I still didnt get how to run a desktop :(
[16:10] <Vellik> *not doing it.
[16:10] <bean> jacksparrow007_: how much memory is on your server?
[16:10] <jacksparrow007_> bean: how do i check?
[16:10] <bean> pastebin the output of "free -m"
[16:11] <bean> on the server
[16:11] <IdleOne> Vellik: I don't know what userful multiseat is, are you having problems installing it and where does it come from?
[16:11] <ActionPa1snip> jacksparrow007_: sudo apt-get install pastebinit; free -m | pastebinit
[16:12] <x-s4nd3r> how can I get rid of Unity in live session?
[16:12] <x-s4nd3r> and change to Classic Ubuntu (in live session)
[16:12] <jacksparrow007_> total - 2009
[16:12] <usr13> x-s4nd3r: Get another CD (or ISO to burn to CD).
[16:12] <jacksparrow007_> used - 1542
[16:12] <ActionPa1snip> x-s4nd3r: install gnome-panel   the n set the password for the 'ubuntu' account and log off then log in to the new session with the password
[16:12] <jacksparrow007_> free - 467
[16:12] <ActionPa1snip> jacksparrow007_: or:    free -m | head -n 2 | tail -n 1 | awk {'print $2'}
[16:12] <bean> jacksparrow007_: can you please pastebin the whole output
[16:12] <ActionPa1snip> jacksparrow007_: will show available system RAM
[16:13] <x-s4nd3r> Unity is annoying.
[16:13] <jacksparrow007_> ok
[16:13] <Vellik> IdleOne: www.userful.com/products/userful-multiseat
[16:13] <ActionPa1snip> x-s4nd3r: its not for everyone
[16:13] <x-s4nd3r> ActionPa1snip, after gnome-panel installation, I do "adduser ubuntu"
[16:13] <usr13> x-s4nd3r: So use one of the others.
[16:13] <x-s4nd3r> and then "passwd ubuntu"
[16:13] <x-s4nd3r> that's it?
[16:13] <ActionPa1snip> x-s4nd3r: ubuntu is already a userm you want:  passwd ubuntu
[16:14] <x-s4nd3r> ActionPa1snip: how can I change to Classic Ubuntu in login screen?
[16:14] <x-s4nd3r> right click?
[16:14] <Vellik> IdleOne: I haven't installed it yet. I wanna be sure it's worth buying it, because I'm short of money to build a cyber cafe.
[16:14] <ironhalik> Hello. I'm looking for a solution that would keep a backup between my external hard drive and my PC up to date, that would work for both windows and linux. Any ideas?
[16:14] <ikonia> ironhalik: rsync is a common tool and there is a windows version
[16:14] <ActionPa1snip> x-s4nd3r: select it next to the ubuntu username
[16:14] <IdleOne> Vellik: I would suggest you contact them and make sure they support Ubuntu and any other info you may need. We don't do third party support here.
[16:14] <daftykins> ironhalik: there's a nice windows powertoy called 'SyncToy'
[16:15] <jacksparrow007_> bean: http://pastebin.com/m1wKVNtv
[16:15] <x-s4nd3r> thank you ActionPa1snip
[16:15] <ironhalik> ikonia: can I set rsync so that it will make buckups in a 'push' way? Every time a file is changed? Or on a scheduled basis?
[16:15] <Vellik> Oh. My bad, then, indeed. Thank you IdleOne.
[16:15] <ikonia> ironhalik: you can't really do it "on change" you just need to schedule it at regular times
[16:16] <bean> alright, jacksparrow007_, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ServerGUI seems to be useful
[16:16] <IdleOne> Vellik: sure thing
[16:16] <bean> specifically the "full desktop" section
[16:17] <ironhalik> ikonia: well, I guess I'll look into it. I wounder if rsync-updated files would mess up wd smartware backups (if smart ware is journaling the backups in any way, etc)
[16:17] <ironhalik> or keeping a log
[16:17] <daftykins> smartware is absolutely dire
[16:17] <jacksparrow007_> bean: I have installed ubuntu-desktop
[16:17] <ironhalik> daftykins: SyncToy looks decently light :)
[16:17] <jacksparrow007_> dont know how to remote login now
[16:18] <bean> jacksparrow007_: you'll likely need something like a VNC server
[16:18] <bean> to do that
[16:18] <daftykins> ironhalik: yeah it's quite nice, it contains no scheduling but you can combine it with scheduled tasks to execute any time
[16:18] <jacksparrow007_> VNC server on my ubuntu server?  bean:
[16:18] <bean> yes
[16:19] <ActionPa1snip> jacksparrow007_: then why not just install the desktop OS, if that is what you need?
[16:19] <jacksparrow007_> ActionPa1snip: i dont have the permissions to install OS i think :P
[16:20] <ActionPa1snip> jacksparrow007_: what are you wanting to do on the server once you get connected via VNC?
[16:20] <jacksparrow007_> ActionPa1snip: I can get full gui access right?
[16:20] <ActionPa1snip> jacksparrow007_: yes but to achieve what?
[16:20] <ActionPa1snip> jacksparrow007_: what do you need "full access" for
[16:20] <jacksparrow007_> i am more comfortable that way :P
[16:21] <boogie> hi, is anybody here who knows how to set :set number in vi (not vim) in ubuntu on standart
[16:21] <ActionPa1snip> jacksparrow007_: ok, but vnc has zero security, so be sure to use an SSH tunnel
[16:21] <jacksparrow007_> ok, thanks
[16:21] <ActionPa1snip> jacksparrow007_: you probably find you can work faster if you use SSH or web interfaces to your applications
[16:21] <Shimpu> marcepan witam
[16:22] <jacksparrow007_> what is this web interface?
[16:22] <ActionPa1snip> jacksparrow007_: you can access the filesystem using the client OS and sshfs. Nautilus can connect to that without issue
[16:22] <bean> jacksparrow007_: I agree with ActionPa1snip... theres really no reason to install a desktop on your server
[16:22] <ActionPa1snip> jacksparrow007_: applications like transmission have web interfaces you can manage them wirh rather than vnc to the system and interface with the app that way
[16:23] <bean> jacksparrow007_: yeah, there's another thing. the desktop is likely going to be REALLLLLLY slow
[16:23] <Mastablasta> anyone use the program woof?
[16:23] <ActionPa1snip> jacksparrow007_: this is why i always ask, as the ignorant nearly ALWAYS reach for VNC for remote access when there are better solutions
[16:23] <Felishia> why does my speakers sound sooooooooo low?
[16:23] <Felishia> when I load with Kali Linux the room is like exploding
[16:24] <ActionPa1snip> Felishia: are you using Kali Linux?
[16:24] <Felishia> when I load with xubuntu I have to put my ears so close the speakers
[16:24] <Felishia> not right now :p
[16:24] <jacksparrow007_> ActionPa1snip: I ssh to my ubuntu from putty
[16:24] <jacksparrow007_> and i dont have copy paste :p
[16:24] <Felishia> I'm not on Kali... geez
[16:24] <Felishia> do a whoamI I am xubuntu
[16:25] <jacksparrow007_> I cant copy paste stuff on my terminal easily
[16:25] <usr13> jacksparrow007_: Shift-Ctrl-c to copy from terminal, Shift-Ctrl-v to paste into terminal
[16:25] <jacksparrow007_> I use putty from windows
[16:25] <newhoa> If you create a new user with an encrypted home directory, is there any way to see the HDD space used by that user? In truecrypt, while you can't see the contents, you can see the size of the container.
[16:25] <Felishia> I need to make this sound louder
[16:25] <usr13> jacksparrow007_: Oh, I don't know about MS Windows, the options there are a bit limited.
[16:26] <IdleOne> Felishia: turn up the master volume in alsamixer
[16:26] <Felishia> The volume control is in 153%
[16:26] <newhoa> Same thing if you don't have access to a user folder. I'm just looking for an accurate display of free/used space on my HDD.
[16:26] <usr13> Felishia: How could it be 153%  (does not sound possible).
[16:27] <usr13> Felishia: Are you in alsamixer?
[16:27] <Felishia> well not sorry
[16:27] <Felishia> in alsamixer it is 15
[16:27] <Felishia> 100%
[16:27] <Felishia> but in the panel it's 153%
[16:27] <usr13> Felishia: PCM ?
[16:27] <Felishia> PCM?
[16:27] <usr13> Felishia: What is the volume level for channel "PCM"?
[16:28] <Felishia> 100%
[16:28] <Felishia> the thing is that when I boot with Kali-Linux it sounds like my head will explode
[16:29] <Felishia> but with xubuntu... it doesn't want to make much sound
[16:29] <Felishia> speakers are sounding like earphones literally
[16:29] <IdleOne> what it does in other distro is of no importance.
[16:29] <usr13> Felishia: Well, I don't know.  There should not be a difference.
[16:29] <bean> jacksparrow007_: to copy and paste in putty you just highlight text to copy
[16:29] <bean> and right click to paste
[16:29] <bean> its not difficult
[16:30] <Felishia> I know usr13 :c everything is in its 100%
[16:30] <NuX`iL> Felishia, can you unistall and reinstall the sound ?
[16:30] <usr13> Felishia: I don't know.  (Do not have an answer for you.)
[16:30] <NuX`iL> it's has been a long time that I didn't use linux, but I used to have the problem on fedora, not ubuntu.
[16:30] <Felishia> NuX`iL, I'm in a live season
[16:31] <Felishia> it's alsa what? the package?
[16:31] <usr13> Felishia: Yes, alsa is a package.
[16:31] <nopolitica> Felishia: asound -l
[16:31] <NuX`iL> I just watched on the internet, with xubuntu it seems that the problem persist's since 2011
[16:32] <bekks> NuX`iL: Which problem?
[16:32] <NuX`iL> is your sound driver realtek?
[16:32] <nopolitica> Felishia: oopss aplay -l
[16:32] <bean> Felishia: actually try launching alsa-mixer
[16:32] <bean> and seeing if there are any volumes set really low there
[16:32] <Felishia> I did...
[16:33] <usr13> bean: It's  alsamixer not alsa-mixer
[16:33] <bean> right right
[16:33] <bean> sry, im on a mac most days these days T_T
[16:33] <Felishia> LOL
[16:33] <Felishia> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[16:33] <Felishia>   alsa-base xubuntu-desktop
[16:34] <usr13> Felishia: What are you doing>?
[16:34] <bean> haha
[16:34] <bean> Felishia: try apt-get install alsa-base --reinstall
[16:34] <usr13> Felishia: You could try removing pulseaudio
[16:34] <Felishia> mmm... what's the package name?
[16:35] <usr13> Felishia: ... but don't know that it will make any difference.
[16:35] <usr13> Felishia: Might.... but not sure.
[16:35] <Felishia> I dunno what I did but it doesn't sound anymore >:c
[16:35] <usr13> Felishia: What did you do?
[16:35] <nopolitica> Felishia: then maybe asoundrc options max_dB 20.0 min_dB 0.0 resolution 6
[16:36] <Felishia> command not found
[16:36] <Felishia> I changed the output device
[16:37] <nopolitica> Felishia: ~/asoundrc http://pastebin.com/E3MgqXPB
[16:37] <Felishia> and I got back to my default device
[16:37] <Felishia> and it's not making any sound now
[16:38] <Felishia> ah
[16:38] <nopolitica> Felishia: alsamixer -> muted channels
[16:39] <nopolitica> Felishia: sudo service alsa-restore start
[16:40] <nopolitica> I managed to configure pulseaudio in cool way, so I have no problem with sound )
[16:40] <nopolitica> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio
[16:40] <nopolitica> But the best way it's described in archlinux distro, their documentation is awesome :)
[16:41] <Felishia> this sucks...
[16:41] <nopolitica> Felishia: do you have any init.d scripts with alsa in name?
[16:41] <nopolitica> Felishia: ls /etc/init.d/alsa*
[16:43] <Felishia> two
[16:43] <Felishia> alsa-restore
[16:45] <Felishia> yay!
[16:45] <Felishia> something worked and I don't know what was it
[16:46] <rudivs> how can I launch an application (unison-gtk) when a thumb drive is plugged in, using a udev rule?
[16:47] <rudivs> I can get the rule to run, but I think that whatever runs needs to complete, or otherwise the drive doesn't mount
[16:47] <nopolitica> rudivs: Using external programs to name devices http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html
[16:51] <nopolitica> rudivs: http://superuser.com/questions/53978/ubuntu-automatically-mount-external-drives-to-media-label-on-boot-without-a-u
[16:52] <nopolitica> rudivs: nice thread
[16:52] <ChogyDan> rudivs: maybe this thread as well: http://askubuntu.com/questions/25071/how-to-run-a-script-when-a-specific-flash-drive-is-mounted
[16:53] <Felishia> hey I was wondering
[16:53] <Felishia> there's ubuntu 10.04 installed on this PC which I don't like at all
[16:53] <daftykins> if it's desktop, it's end of life and no longer supported anyway
[16:53] <daftykins> so you need to upgrade
[16:53] <Felishia> if I install xubuntu alongside that old ubuntu
[16:53] <Felishia> I don't the library does :c
[16:54] <bekks> Felishia: What does "I don't the library does" mean?
[16:54] <Felishia> they do need to upgrade
[16:54] <Felishia> because this computer is a public computer
[16:54] <daftykins> Felishia: are you helping a library out?
[16:55] <rudivs> thanks nopolitica, ChogyDan. I assumed it wouldn't work to just put  'RUN+="/usr/bin/unison-gtk"', but maybe it will?
[16:55] <Felishia> not at the moment, but I'd really like to have xubuntu desktop 13.04 installed on this PC but I don't want them to notice
[16:55] <Felishia> they will only notice if they see grub
[16:55] <Felishia> or if it boots into xubuntu
[16:55] <daftykins> so you're attempting to mess with a computer you don't own? i suggest you stop that.
[16:55] <ChogyDan> Felishia: what about using a usb drive instead?
[16:55] <bekks> Felishia: Then askl the administrator to update it.
[16:56] <nopolitica> rudivs: i'd prefer some cli version
[16:56] <nopolitica> rudivs: flexibility
[16:56] <Felishia> daftykins, someone has to show the users the future and they will complain soon or later :p
[16:56] <daftykins> also they would only have some sense running 12.04.2 LTS - 13.04 will be ditched too soon to be worth using
[16:56] <daftykins> Felishia: it is not your decision to make
[16:56] <Felishia> daftykins, I'll keep it upgraded
[16:57] <bekks> Felishia: You cant - you arent the administrator ;)
[16:57] <ChogyDan> Felishia: like a pen drive install
[16:57] <Felishia> I'm root on the PC and I have access to the whole network
[16:57] <nopolitica> Felishia: you can use external drive to boot to installed xubuntu without modifying currently used grub
[16:57] <daftykins> Felishia: what do you mean? 10.04 is dead, 13.04 will be dead come January
[16:58] <DJones> Felishia: If you're not the authorised system admin for the machine, you don't have the authority to make changes like that
[16:58] <Felishia> nopolitica, these computers are so old that I need to have its ram free to work and I don't want to install libreoffice again and again
[16:59] <daftykins> how do you even have the password to install software at all?
[16:59] <Felishia> DJones, this is just a political mess in the library between the oposition and the red hats ones
[16:59] <Felishia> I cracked everything
[16:59] <nopolitica> daftykins: sudo? )
[16:59] <daftykins> ...riiiight...
[16:59] <Felishia> the administrators know
[16:59] <daftykins> nopolitica: it's a library where Felishia claims to not have any official involvement
[16:59] <DJones> Felishia: That would be illegal, we can support you anymore
[17:00] <DJones> can't
[17:00] <thon> this is more interesting than the television show I'm watching
[17:00] <Felishia> it's not illegal if even the director knows...
[17:00] <rudivs> nopolitica, you mean use a cli version of unison rather than unison-gtk?
[17:00] <nopolitica> rudivs: for udev rule
[17:00] <DJones> Felishia: well, ask them to install the upgrades, we can't support you anymore
[17:01] <Felishia> DJones, things in here do not work like in the US... u.u
[17:01] <nopolitica> rudivs: you will not be able to run X application without additional options like DISPLAY
[17:01] <ChogyDan> let's stay away from debating the law or politics,  just keep the questions technical
[17:01] <rudivs> nopolitica, ah, I see
[17:01] <DJones> Felishia: Thats of no consequence, I'm not in the US either.
[17:01] <Felishia> they want to keep the old ubuntu 10.04 version because the guvernament told them to use ubuntu, so they installed something old to keep the user annoyed with that...
[17:02] <Felishia> I'm Venezuelan
[17:02] <DJones> Felishia: Speak to the administrators. Thats all we can say to you. We can't support you any further
[17:02] <nopolitica> Felishia: gov for ubuntu is kinda win )
[17:02] <rudivs> nopolitica, say I use a cli app which requires user input -- how would that work?
[17:03] <nopolitica> rudivs: don't use it ) use some with can use config or options on start as input variables
[17:03] <nopolitica> rudivs: * wich
[17:03] <nopolitica> rudivs: * which
[17:03] <Felishia> the ubuntu 10.04 was installed with no resources! this is being done to affect ubuntu's credibility so that everyone will be forced to change to windows
[17:04] <nopolitica> rudivs: unison is file synchronisation tool, you can use rsync as more native )
[17:05] <rudivs> nopolitica, I've considered that, but the problem is 2-way sync. If a file is deleted on one side but not the other, which way should sync happen?
[17:05] <bekks> Interesting conspiracy :)
[17:05] <nopolitica> rudivs: rsync can manage it ) http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2010/09/rsync-command-examples/
[17:06] <daftykins> finally Felishia left *sigh*
[17:06]  * nopolitica sighs
[17:06] <thon> I was entertained
[17:08] <daftykins> nopolitica: feeling the same thing huh?
[17:08] <rudivs> nopolitica, ideally I'd like to have a rule to sync from usb to folder when it's plugged in, and another rule to sync from folder to usb when it's ejected... I can see how I can use udev + rsync for the first part, but not sure that the second part is feasible without painful hacks?
[17:19] <redane> slm
[17:27] <rudivs> nopolitica, I've tried testing just a simple rule to sync from a folder to the usb, but it blocks the drive from being auto mounted. Do you perhaps know where it's going wrong? https://gist.github.com/rudivs/6242712
[17:30] <rudivs> nopolitica, if I replace the rsync command with something simple (like touch testfile.txt) it works fine, and the rsync command also works fine by itself, but I can't get it to run together
[17:31] <cordyceps> I used synaptic to install gpm 1.20.4-4 but there's no mouseability in the console. Did I miss a step?
[17:33] <CEnnis91> has anyone used ubuntu in hyperv before?
[17:35]  * cordyceps ok, you gotta run ../init.d/gpm start ;)
[17:35] <daftykins> CEnnis91: not for a long time... why?
[17:36] <CEnnis91> daftykins: majority of it works, just wondering if anyone knows a way to get a widescreen resolution, better mouse control, and usb passthrough
[17:37] <CEnnis91> i know the resolution can be done through rdp, trying to get a better way
[17:37] <daftykins> is this using the nasty activex control to view the VM?
[17:38] <CEnnis91> huh? don't think so
[17:39] <daftykins> CEnnis91: apparently there exists some 'Hyper-V integration services' which may already be part of the kernel
[17:40] <CEnnis91> yea, they're in there since 12.04 i think
[17:41] <CEnnis91> but that doesn't affect the 3 issues i mentioned
[17:41] <daftykins> well they tend to be the way that you get such functionality
[17:41] <daftykins> so if they don't provide it, i'd imagine you're out of luck
[17:42] <platapusX> hello!
[17:42] <daftykins> hi
[17:42] <CEnnis91> daftykins: meh, worst case i can work around each of those issues, just hoped it would be a little more seemless
[17:43] <platapusX> Hi daftykins, how's it going?
[17:43] <daftykins> platapusX: i'm ok, this is more a support channel than a chat channel i'm afraid :)
[17:44] <daftykins> CEnnis91: seems Hyper-V has no USB support at all 0o
[17:45] <platapusX> Sry.
[17:45] <platapusX> See you guys later.
[17:49] <nyuszika7h> hi, is there an easy way to center a window on the screen?
[17:50] <CEnnis91> hahaha, god damnit, i try to rdp into ubuntu and it crashes compiz
[17:59] <maxi12> a
[17:59] <maxi12> a
[17:59] <maxi12> aa
[17:59] <maxi12> a
[17:59] <FloodBot1> maxi12: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:59] <maxi12> a
[18:00] <maxi12> hola
[18:00] <Pici> !es
[18:01] <Antar> Hello
[18:01] <RojoD> hi
[18:01] <Mastablasta> i messed up a install and it says use apt-get autoremove  but then I do that it says unable to lock are you roock?
[18:02] <Pici> Mastablasta: are you using sudo to run that?
[18:02] <RojoD> try 'sudo apt-get autoremove'
[18:02] <RojoD> ;)
[18:02] <Antar> How can i remove the fire effect when close apps ? please
[18:02] <Mastablasta> no
[18:02] <Mastablasta> i am new to linux sorry lol i used sudo thanks
[18:03] <RojoD> Mastablasta, you used Windows earlier?
[18:03] <maxi12> ubottu Ok Pero lo se no tiene que eexplicarme
[18:03] <daftykins> Mastablasta: sounds like you have left a package manager program open
[18:03] <Mastablasta> yes, actually i am trying to install a isight firewire mac on ubuntu.
[18:04] <Antar> PLEASE
[18:04] <maxi12> ubottu s eque eres Un Bots
[18:04] <Mastablasta> i didnt specify the file for the AppleUSBVideoSupport and now It wont let me do it again
[18:04] <RojoD> Mastablasta, you need to use sudo, like you gived adminrights @ windows :)
[18:04] <RojoD> (only a little diffrence)
[18:05] <Mastablasta> I am using sudo wont bring up the window it had before to specify the file lol i had the wrong directory
[18:05] <RojoD> oh
[18:05] <RojoD> sorry
[18:05] <RojoD> was misunderstanding :$
[18:06] <DJones> Antar: Can you pastebin the output of "cat /etc/issue"
[18:06] <DJones> !paste | Antar
[18:06] <daftykins> Mastablasta: 'a window to specify the file' ? i have no idea what you mean. do you have a .deb you're trying to install?
[18:06] <Antar> a lot of gnome effects are installed on my ubuntu please how can i remove them
[18:07] <Antar> Ubuntu 12.04 LTS \n \l
[18:07] <Antar> Djones the output is Ubuntu 12.04 LTS \n \l
[18:08] <DJones> Antar: How did you install them
[18:08] <Antar> childrens
[18:08] <Mastablasta> http://turanct.wordpress.com/tag/appleusbvideosupport/
[18:08] <Mastablasta> that is what im trying to do
[18:08] <Antar> Djones any idea
[18:08] <Mastablasta> im on step 4 and giving it the right path i messed up now its screwed up
[18:09] <daftykins> Mastablasta: ok, close any software installation programs running, go back to the terminal you have open and type 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure isight-firmware-tools"
[18:09] <daftykins> oops sorry for mixed quotes
[18:10] <Mastablasta> ok sec
[18:10] <Antar> Djones should i reinstall it?
[18:11] <xirre> This shows the CPU but is it the accurate overall CPU?: ps -p [pid] -o pcpu
[18:12] <Antar> PLEASE
[18:14] <daftykins> xirre: if you want CPU usage, run 'top'
[18:14] <kenshiro> Hi, I have installed Chromium in Ubuntu 12.04 from Software Centre . Youtube works, but google translate and some html games doesn't have sound. Is there any fix for this?
[18:16] <ionux> kenshiro: have you installed the proprietary codecs?
[18:16] <kenshiro> ionux yes, the restricted extras package
[18:17] <AlHafoudh> hi
[18:17] <ionux> kenshiro: https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=158955
[18:17] <AlHafoudh> how should I prepare ubuntu for cloning? some "cleanup" script or something like that
[18:17] <ionux> kenshiro: looks like it's related to the mp3 file format.
[18:19] <pixelfire> has anyone successfully setup a mail server on their home machine?
[18:20] <b0x> hi, ive just started using ubuntu 13.04
[18:21] <b0x> is there a some sort of way to collapse icons on the unity bar
[18:21] <b0x> or have 'folders' of shortcuts
[18:22] <kenshiro> ionux ok, thank you very much :-)
[18:22] <ionux> kenshiro: you are very welcome!  :)
[18:27] <xangua> b0x: not with the Unity Launcher, but you can try docks like Avant Window Navigator (repositories)
[18:29] <b0x> hmm
[18:29] <b0x> what about workspace specific icons?
[18:29] <b0x> or icons of applications open on that workspace?
[18:29] <b0x> kind of like... UltraMon does for Windows.
[18:30] <bananapie> I want to analyze a raw audio file on my ubuntu and I want to be able to see frequencies and stuff like that, anything on linux?
[18:31] <ionux> bananapie: have you tried sox?  I'm not 100% sure, but I think that can help you.
[18:32] <orangerobot> where is the .Xauthority file located?
[18:32] <orangerobot> oh nvm, found it
[18:32] <bananapie> I need to scan an audio to see if a certain frequency of sound is in the file or maybe plot the audio frequencies on a graph or somethinng.
[18:33] <BigTaxi> I moved to a new apartment and one of my hard drives has disappeared. Please help me find it.
[18:33] <BigTaxi> dsiappeared, computer-wise. it's physically there and plugged in
[18:33] <ionux> bananapie: Audacity will give you a graphical representation of the waveform.
[18:33] <vlt> BigTaxi: Maybe in your old appartment.
[18:34] <bananapie> ok thanks.
[18:34] <vlt> BigTaxi: Ah, no. Bad joke, you already explained :-D
[18:34] <BigTaxi> i just clarified. I can't fin it in the file system any more
[18:34] <BigTaxi> np :)
[18:34] <ionux> BigTaxi: is it in your dmesg?  Do you remember what device it was?
[18:34] <BigTaxi> what is dmesg, and i guess so? just a storage hdd?
[18:35] <ionux> BigTaxi: do you remember if it was /dev/sda, /dev/sdb…  etc?
[18:35] <BigTaxi> /dev/sda, pretty sure
[18:35] <BigTaxi> any way to search dmesg?
[18:35] <ionux> ok, so your computer isn't booting then?
[18:35] <BigTaxi> it is
[18:35] <orangerobot> I've just run Xorg -configure but I've been given an error messages saying "Number of created screens does not match the number of detected devices."(the file was created, though) . Could this have anything to do with me having a dual-monitor setup?
[18:36] <BigTaxi> ubuntu and system files are on my current drive
[18:36] <BigTaxi> so maybe sdb. im sorry.
[18:37] <ionux> You can search dmesg by grepping it:  dmesg | grep sdb
[18:37] <ionux> for example...
[18:38] <ionux> also, look at /etc/fstab and mtab to see if it's defined there.
[18:39] <BigTaxi> nothing in fstab, mtab doesnt exist
[18:40] <goaw_> hello, I have an idea for an Ubuntu OS, I was curious where in the forums to post about it
[18:40] <ionux> BigTaxi: If you moved the computer, it might have been jarred loose. Can you open up the computer and check the cables?
[18:40] <netlar> I am sycning my tomboy notes to dropbox.  Can I restore or import to tomboy from dropbox?
[18:40] <BigTaxi> i dusted and re-inserted all of the cables
[18:40] <BigTaxi> grepping sdb gives me Attached SCSI removable disk
[18:41] <ionux> BigTaxi: Is the drive spinning up?
[18:41] <BigTaxi> am i allowed to just touch it and see?
[18:41] <BigTaxi> im static free
[18:41] <ionux> Yeah, if it's warm is a good indication.
[18:42] <BigTaxi> both drives are spinning
[18:42] <neetz> someone there ? i have ubuntu 12.10 problems
[18:42] <ionux> It's possible that there's an error with the drive.  What does:  dmesg | grep rror
[18:42] <ionux> give you?
[18:43] <ionux> (No 'e')
[18:43] <globus> Hi there. Anyone who has a minute to help with a question?
[18:43] <BigTaxi> EXT4-fs (sda5) re-mounted. Opts: errors=remount-ro
[18:44] <ionux> Ok, what does the df command show you?
[18:44] <neetz> i have dual OS , one is win7 and one is ubuntu 12.10 , ubuntu doesnt boot coz of the nvidea graphic card problem , can someone help me
[18:44] <daftykins> use sudo fdisk -l to find if a disk is attached
[18:44] <BigTaxi> ehh, what are you looking for? sda5 isnt mounted anywhere
[18:45] <BigTaxi> but it's there.
[18:45] <neetz> i have dual OS , one is win7 and one is ubuntu 12.10 , ubuntu doesnt boot coz of the nvidea graphic card problem , can someone help me
[18:45] <sagredo> hello i have an external HD and i tried to copy a file to it and get this : DBus error org.gtk.Private.RemoteVolumeMonitor.Failed: An operation is already pending
[18:45] <ionux> If it's not defined in your /etc/fstab file or you don't mount it manually, it's not going to be mounted.
[18:46] <BigTaxi> fdsik -l has given me a readout. looks like it's there, too
[18:46] <globus> My /var/log hangs on ls - and is a LOT bigger than all the other dirs
[18:46] <sagredo> any suggestions? i cannot even see my data on the drive
[18:46] <BigTaxi> ok ionux... what can I do?
[18:46] <BigTaxi> mount manually?
[18:47] <neetz> ??
[18:48] <ionux> BigTaxi:  Well, if it was your backup drive, for example, you could do a: sudo mount /dev/sda5 /path/to/backups
[18:48] <ionux> For example.
[18:49] <BigTaxi> it's not a backup. just storage for movies and stuff
[18:49] <ionux> Yeah, I don't know what it's used for, but wherever it's usually mounted, you need a directory for it.
[18:49] <daftykins> BigTaxi: of course you'd only do what ionux said if you only want to use it once... as opposed to every boot
[18:50] <ionux> Yeah, if it mounts, you can add it to your fstab file to mount it every boot.
[18:50] <BigTaxi> so mount it as a backup and then copy it from /dev/ or someplace to fstab?
[18:51] <sagredo> hello i have an external HD and i tried to copy a file to it and get this : DBus error org.gtk.Private.RemoteVolumeMonitor.Failed: An operation is already pending
[18:51] <sagredo> any suggestions? i cannot even see my data on the drive
[18:51] <ionux> No, not necessarily.  Make a directory in your home folder to mount it to for testing.  mount it to that directory to see if it works first.
[18:52] <daftykins> mount things in /media
[18:52] <BigTaxi> ok so sudo mount /dev/sda5 path/to/home
[18:52] <BigTaxi> ?
[18:52] <BigTaxi> er... media
[18:53] <ionux> No, make a directory in your home folder (or media) named 'testing'
[18:53] <ionux> Then: sudo mount /dev/sda5 /home/bigtaxi/testing
[18:55] <BigTaxi> ok, its... there? everything has a lock on it.
[18:55] <ionux> yeah, you mounted it as root.  but it worked?
[18:56] <BigTaxi> i guess? hahaha if this is what we wanted, then hot pants, go us
[18:56] <daftykins> gogo fstab
[18:56] <ionux> lol ok, cool.  looks like you just need to add it to your fstab file then.
[18:56] <BigTaxi> add by clicking and dragging the testing folder?
[18:56] <ionux> no
[18:56] <BigTaxi> just because it seems the simplest
[18:56] <BigTaxi> ok
[18:57] <oo_miguel> does the rescue shell offer somethink like fdisk?
[18:57] <daftykins> oo_miguel: if it's GRUB rescue, better off with a liveCD
[18:57] <BigTaxi> am i just checking fdisk?
[18:57] <oo_miguel> i just want to see the disks that are on my system, thats all
[18:58] <ionux> BigTaxi:  first, make a backup copy of your /etc/fstab file before we make any changes:  sudo cp /etc/fstab fstab.backup
[18:58] <BigTaxi> oh shoot i was thinking fstab h/o
[18:59] <ionux> then, decide where you want it to be mounted every boot.  /media is a good place.  You can make it /media/movies or whatever.
[18:59] <BigTaxi> fdisk gives the same readout
[18:59] <BigTaxi> sda5 is there
[18:59] <meteors2313> join #mlpack
[19:00] <meteors2313> how to join channel
[19:00] <BigTaxi> yeah, sure, media is fine
[19:00] <ionux> then, open up your fstab file in an editor to add the line for that drive:  sudo nano /etc/fstab
[19:00] <wilee-nilee> meteors2313,  /j #mlpack
[19:01] <meteors2313> got it thanks @wilee-nillee
[19:01] <wilee-nilee> meteors2313, you can tab complete nicks @ does not notify the receiving nick
[19:02] <BigTaxi> ok its on ther terminal
[19:02] <ionux> the format is:  /dev/sda5   /media/movies    ext4     noatime  0   0
[19:02] <meteors2313> sorry I didn't got what tab nicks mean
[19:02] <jboris> Pardon the interuption but does anyone on here know a  pointer to good help for xubuntu on an acer aspire?
[19:02] <meteors2313> how do I tab nicks
[19:03] <wilee-nilee> tab | meteors2313
[19:03] <wilee-nilee> !tab | meteors2313
[19:03] <meteors2313> wilee-nilee,
[19:03] <wilee-nilee> that's it meteors2313
[19:03] <meteors2313> is that fine did it notify you
[19:03] <meteors2313> thanks
[19:03] <ionux> BigTaxi: the 'ext4' is the file system type. if it's a linux drive formatted recently by ubuntu, it's probably ext4, but it could be ext3, reiserfs, fat32 or a number of other types...
[19:03] <wilee-nilee> yep
[19:03] <meteors2313> wilee-nilee,
[19:04] <usr13> meteors2313: The same way you tab commands or paths etc...
[19:04] <BigTaxi> ok. im using tab to make those speace?
[19:04] <BigTaxi> ehhh *spaces
[19:04] <wilee-nilee> meteors2313, It is for your benefit, if the channel id real busy you don't get lost in the shuffle, hopefully. ;)
[19:04] <wilee-nilee> is*
[19:04] <ionux> You can, or just spaces.
[19:05] <BigTaxi> shoot. the text document i'm editing in can't save, and i dont know how to use the terminal to add these lines
[19:05] <BigTaxi> sorry yet again
[19:06] <BigTaxi> i got it
[19:06] <wilee-nilee> BigTaxi, You using nano?
[19:07] <BigTaxi> not sure what that means
[19:07] <BigTaxi> probably not
[19:07] <usr13> vi ?
[19:07] <wilee-nilee> !who | BigTaxi
[19:07] <BigTaxi> er, yes
[19:08] <usr13> BigTaxi: It's   vi file.txt    or   nano file.txt
[19:08] <sagredo> hello i have an external HD and i tried to copy a file to it and get this : DBus error org.gtk.Private.RemoteVolumeMonitor.Failed: An operation is already pending
[19:08] <sagredo> any suggestions? i cannot even see my data on the drive
[19:08] <ionux> BigTaxi:  Or you can use gedit
[19:09] <usr13> sagredo: How are you trying to copy the file?
[19:09] <BigTaxi> I got it, I entered it and saved
[19:09] <usr13> sagredo: cp  ?
[19:09] <sagredo> usr13: i tried with nautilus
[19:09] <BigTaxi> from the terminal... I think it was nano
[19:09] <sagredo> but now i cannot even open the drive
[19:09] <ionux> BigTaxi:  ok, great!  Reboot your system and see if it's there now!  :)
[19:09] <sagredo> and i do not want to format the drive
[19:09] <wilee-nilee> sagredo, YOU have to have it mounted to transfer.
[19:09] <sagredo> i want to restore the file system
[19:09] <BigTaxi> :/ ok...
[19:10] <usr13> sagredo: Well, I dono.  If an operating is already pending, I suppose it's already tying to do what you told it to do.
[19:10] <usr13> sagredo: (I use thunar)
[19:10] <wilee-nilee> sagredo, Is the HD in fstab?
[19:10] <sagredo> wilee-nilee: let me see
[19:11] <wilee-nilee> sagredo, Would not be unless you put a mount in fstab.
[19:11] <sagredo> wilee-nilee: what is fstab?
[19:11] <sagredo> i tried to run it :o
[19:12] <usr13> sagredo: It is a file  /etc/fstab  (Look and see:  cat /etc/fstab ).
[19:13] <usr13> sagredo: /etc/fstab  is a file that statically mounts your filesystems.
[19:13] <wilee-nilee> sagredo, Is the HD a ntfs?
[19:13] <usr13> sagredo: When you boot your computer, the fstab file tells it what and where you want your various filesystems mounted.
[19:14] <usr13> sagredo: ...otherwise, udev mounts other stuff on demand.
[19:14] <BigTaxi> ok, i guess its mounted... i just realized that that drive is partitioned. The movies and stuff might be in sda4
[19:14] <BigTaxi> because sda5 doesnt have much of anything
[19:15] <usr13> BigTaxi: Pretty much all drives are partitioned, it's just that some only have one
[19:15] <ionux> BigTaxi:  Haha!  Nice…  Use the same procedure to mount those.
[19:16] <BigTaxi> ok, so quickly run me through my steps?
[19:16] <wilee-nilee> BigTaxi, USE NICKS.
[19:16] <wilee-nilee> !tab | BigTaxi
[19:18] <ionux> BigTaxi:  Same as before:  /dev/sdX     /mount/point/wherever    <fstype>   <options>   0   0
[19:18] <sagredo> when i connect the drive
[19:18] <sagredo> my system stalls big time
[19:18] <BigTaxi> wilee-nilee like this?
[19:18] <BigTaxi> ahh dammit
[19:18] <sagredo> is there some type of recovery program for external SSDs
[19:20] <ionux> sagredo:  dd will copy the raw data.
[19:20] <sagredo> ionux but i cannot even get a command line with it
[19:21] <sagredo> maybe i can try on a more powerful system this is a laptop-.-
[19:21] <ionux> sagredo: can you boot with an ubuntu live cd/dvd?
[19:21] <sagredo> yes
[19:21] <sagredo> but its at my house i am not home atm
[19:21] <ionux> sagredo:  then you should be able to open a terminal.  when you get home.  ;)
[19:22] <sagredo> ionux okay mate
[19:22] <BigTaxi> ionux, im not sure what my other steps were :(
[19:22] <sagredo> cheers
[19:22] <bariho> apt-get question: "The following packages have been kept back:" when and why does that happen?
[19:22] <ionux> BigTaxi:  oh, open /etc/fstab in your favorite editor and add the lines for the drives and mount points.
[19:22] <ionux> It's a system file, so use sudo to open it, remember.
[19:23] <bariho> nevermind
[19:24] <wilee-nilee> bariho, Are you seeing a partial upgrade, where are you seeing this and what packages in a pastebin please.
[19:24] <BigTaxi> ionux, ok, reboot again? am i doing the name thing successfully? god i hate this
[19:24] <wilee-nilee> apt-get I see
[19:24] <ionux> BigTaxi:  yeah, reboot, my friend.
[19:29] <BigTaxi> ionux, error mounting the drive
[19:29] <BigTaxi> maybe i missed a step
[19:31] <ionux> BigTaxi:  check the number of fields you have.  Make sure you made the directory where they are going to be mounted.
[19:32] <BigTaxi> ionux, where should i begin? the next version of ubuntu needs to save your terminal commands
[19:32] <BigTaxi> i did make the directory
[19:32] <Pici> FYI, you don't need to reboot to make /etc/fstab take your changes, just run sudo mount -a
[19:33] <meteors2313> how to use empathy as an irc client
[19:33] <ionux> BigTaxi:  it does save your terminal commands.  Press the up arrow on your keyboard to cycle through a list of your recently used commands.  ;)
[19:33] <meteors2313> I read the stuff on empathy faq site but that's not working
[19:34] <BigTaxi> ionux, ah, so it does. that's helpful. so, what should i be doing? movies2 is there. I didn't do anything with testing2 though... should I have?
[19:34] <meteors2313> how to use empathy as an irc client?
[19:34] <meteors2313> I read the stuff on empathy faq site but that's not working
[19:34] <Pici> !patience | meteors2313
[19:34] <ionux> BigTaxi:No, not with testing.  What was the error you got mounting the drive?
[19:35] <meteors2313> ohkk Pici ubottu
[19:35] <BigTaxi> ionux, nothing specia;. it was on the purple start-up screen, and it just said there was an error. offered to skip or mount manually
[19:36] <ionux> BigTaxi:  huh, check your dmesg for the error then.
[19:37] <BigTaxi> ionux, dmesg grep rror, right?
[19:37] <ionux> dmesg | grep rror
[19:38] <ionux> BigTaxi:  or you could grep for your specific partition that had the problem:  dmesg | grep sda5
[19:38] <BigTaxi> ionux, hm. EXT4-fs (sda5): re-mounted. Opts: errors=remount-ro
[19:39] <ionux> BigTaxi:  that's not an error message.  check for more sda5-related messages
[19:39] <ionux> BigTaxi:  or sda6, or whatever the partition was that's not mounting properly
[19:40] <BigTaxi> ionux, thats all i'm getting. sda4 is the one that isnt mounting correctly
[19:40] <ionux> BigTaxi:  oh, ok.  grep for sda4 messages then.
[19:40] <BigTaxi> ionux, obviously theres is a better command to search for errors
[19:41] <BigTaxi> EXT4-fs (sda4): unable to read superblock
[19:41] <BigTaxi> ionux, that sounds ominous
[19:42] <ionux> BigTaxi:  was it formatted with ext4 filesystem?
[19:43] <BigTaxi> ionux, i think so?
[19:43] <BigTaxi> ionux,  how can I check
[19:45] <ionux> BigTaxi: sudo fdisk -l
[19:46] <BigTaxi> ionux, ok... sda2 is the boot, sda4 is 'extended' and sda5 is 'linux'
[19:47] <BigTaxi> ionux, nothing on ext4
[19:48] <xirre> What is a way to output the accurate CPU Usage of a process and write it to a text file in Terminal?
[19:49] <Walex> got a strange issue: freshly installed 13.04, then updated with all current updates, then rebooted, then mouse moves but cannot select anything and keyboard seems dead. Started X with 'xinit' and none of that happens. Suggestions?
[19:49] <Walex> xirre: 'times'
[19:49] <ionux> BigTaxi:  sudo lshw -class disk
[19:49] <SierraAR> I'm running Lubuntu 12.04, currently trying to find a way to run programs automatically on login, and automatically when the system boots, before anyone logs in. I've tried doing some google searches, but nothing I've come up with seems to be helping/working any
[19:49] <ionux> SierraAR:  put your personal startup items in rc.local
[19:50] <xirre> Walex: What would times do? o.O
[19:50] <Walex> xirre: 'man times'. Also 'man time'
[19:50] <BigTaxi> ionux, ok, PCI (sysfs) came up, I pressed Enter
[19:51] <ionux> BigTaxi:  takes a sec...
[19:51] <xirre> But I don't want the CPU Time, I want its usage printed.
[19:51] <xirre> The CPU %.
[19:51] <Walex> xirre: can you do arithmetic?
[19:51] <SierraAR> ionux: K, and for items to be run on boot, before anyone logs in?
[19:51] <xirre> Yes.
[19:51] <BigTaxi> ionux, then I see a readout, including /dev/sda and /dev/ sdb, and thats it... pertaining to what we've been doing
[19:52] <xirre> To some extent though.
[19:52] <Walex> xirre: then CPUtime*100/elapsed time is the %
[19:52] <ionux> BigTaxi:  under *-disk, the second to last line, it should say something like:  'capabilities:  <something>  partitioned: <type>'
[19:52] <ionux> SierraAR:  yep, they will start when booted as part of the start-up routine.
[19:52] <modeeb> hello!
[19:53] <ionux> BigTaxi:  what does it say next to 'partitioned: '
[19:53] <modeeb> when using a terminal, does anyone know how to make the file directory go away so I can just enter commands to the kernel without the file directory taking space?
[19:53] <BigTaxi> ionux, yep, partitioned:dos. I think that's my old windows, currently on my boot disk
[19:53] <SierraAR> ionux: Oh, so rc.local is for before the login screen then? And for programs to be run after a user logs in?
[19:54] <xirre> Walex: Even after reading both the manuals I have not much of a clue as to how to use them.
[19:54] <BigTaxi> ionux, so that's not looking at the hard drive I'm trying to mount
[19:55] <BigTaxi> ionux, although i dont know a whole lot, could be anything. but that's what it says
[19:55] <modeeb> anyone?
[19:55] <wilee-nilee> !patience | modeeb
[19:57] <cinvoke> hello . im having trouble starting ubuntu after making gpasswd changes to a shared folder location.  any help would be awesome.
[19:57] <Guest70102> modeeb:I believe you cannot, the only interfaces users can interact to are proc, debugfs and sysfs
[19:57] <ionux> SierraAR:  yes, rc.local is when the system boots.  any user log-in items can be added to the startup items in gnome or in the .profile, .bash_profile or .bash_login scripts.
[19:57] <wilee-nilee> !details > cinvoke
[19:57] <acetolyne> heep13
[19:58] <modeeb> Guest70102, what do you mean by interfaces?
[19:58] <Walex> xirre: one way: sh -c 'COMMAND; times'
[19:58] <bekks> cinvoke: How do you make changes to a location using gpasswd?
[19:58] <Walex> xirre: another way: time COMMAND
[19:58] <Guest70102> let me find an example on the web
[19:58] <wilee-nilee> acetolyne, State your issues.
[19:58] <acetolyne> none accident sorry have a great day
[19:59] <Walex> xirre: then read CPU time, elapsed time, arithmetic.
[19:59] <wilee-nilee> you to. ;)
[19:59] <ionux> BigTaxi:  I've got to run to a work meeting with my boss.  Sorry that I couldn't help you more!   Best of luck to you!
[19:59] <Zorky> Anyone here who has experienced. when trying to close computer or log off. you have to hold down the mousebutton after clicking the gear button top right corner, in order to navigate the drop down menu?
[19:59] <SierraAR> ionux: K. Is there a way to run a program as a certain user from rc.local or will they all be run as root?
[19:59] <modeeb> Thanks Guest70102!
[20:00] <cinvoke> bekks: gpasswd -a www-data vboxsf
[20:00] <cinvoke> i was getting perm denied, sop i thought maybe add the apache user to the vbox group
[20:00] <Zorky> anyone here who can help me. i need to make a screensaver, so it will make a log off command when it activates
[20:01] <BigTaxi> OK, if anyone else wants to help with a perplexing issue, my computer suddenly cannot see my second hard drive
[20:01] <Walex> SierraAR: 'su $USER -c ' .... ' or 'sudo -u $USER ....'
[20:01] <cinvoke> bekks: since then i removed www-data from that group.. still wont start my window manager
[20:01] <Walex> Zorky: too complicated for IRC. Just study the source of existing screensavers like 'xscreensaver'
[20:01] <SierraAR> su sierra -c command-to-run-here?
[20:02] <Walex> SierraAR: for example, yes, note that 'command-to-run-here' is a command line and should be quoted
[20:02] <wilee-nilee> Zorky, Sounds like a borked graphic driver, or dektop manager, does this happen after a reboot?
[20:02] <wilee-nilee> dsektop*
[20:03] <SierraAR> K, lets see if I did this right then
[20:03] <Guest70102> @modeeb:https://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/mochel/doc/papers/ols-2005/mochel.pdf
[20:03] <Guest70102> modeeb: for example in my system the hugepage can be controled @ /sys/kernel/mm/hugepages/hugepages-2048kB/
[20:04] <cinvoke> wilee-nilee: my window manager isnt starting and im not sure how to figure out why.  ive deleted ~/.config and cache thinking maybe that was the cause.  that didnt work.  im running xubuntu 13.04 in virtualbox.
[20:04] <Guest70102> modeeb:try 'tree' and this command: 'for f in *;do echo $f;cat $f;done'
[20:04] <SierraAR> Oh yeah... I forgot about this
[20:04] <SierraAR> Anybody know why my wireless adaptor isn't enabled when I boot up ubuntu and I have to right click the icon and click 'enable wireless' when I log in?
[20:04] <modeeb> hmm okay
[20:04] <modeeb> let me see
[20:05] <Walex> cinvoke: start in recovery/console mode and then run it explicitly on the command line
[20:05] <wilee-nilee> cinvoke, Hmm, not sure either.
[20:05] <cinvoke> Walex: run the window manager?
[20:05] <Walex> SierraAR: because enabling wireless automagically is a security risk and /or rude.
[20:05] <Guest70102> modeeb:also you can echo values to those files(they are not actual files as you will read in the document)
[20:06] <chrissey> hi
[20:06] <wilee-nilee> SierraAR, Has it ever worked?
[20:06] <Walex> cinvoke: window manager of desktop environment. More or less all can be started as a single command
[20:07] <cinvoke> walex: i "think i had xfse4, but i replaced with lightdm, which didnt help"
[20:07] <wilee-nilee> SierraAR, Can we assume it works when you click 'enable wireless'? Is this on a additional desktop?
[20:07] <SierraAR> It does work when I click 'enable wireless'. This is on my laptop
[20:07] <chrissey> is anyone here familiar to compiling the linux kernel on embedded platforms?
[20:07] <SierraAR> I just have no internet until I manually enable it :P
[20:07] <modeeb> Is it possible you misunderstood my question, this article is over my head
[20:08] <modeeb> ?
[20:08] <wilee-nilee> SierraAR, Notice, two questions, and use nicks when responding
[20:08] <Walex> cinvoke: they are quite different things... XFCE4 is a desktop environment, LightDM is a desktop manager.
[20:08] <Guest70102> modeeb: you want to give commands to the kernel and see whats happening,right?
[20:08] <Walex> cinvoke: a desktop environment is a collection of programs and libraries that are meant to provide a consistent user experience, a desktop manager is a graphical login program. LightDM is often used as the desktop manager of XFCE4
[20:09] <SierraAR> wilee-nilee: If by 'has it ever worked' you mean 'has it ever had wireless enabled when you login', no. I've had to manually turn it on each time.
[20:09] <wilee-nilee> SierraAR, Is this on a additional desktop?
[20:09] <Walex> cinvoke: to start XFCE4 from the command line: xfce4-session
[20:09] <SierraAR> wilee-nilee: It's on a laptop
[20:09] <cinvoke> Walex: oh :) well i dont thing the gui is working at all.  so xfce4 is not working. thats my guess
[20:09] <wilee-nilee> SierraAR, Do you have more then one desktop installed?
[20:10] <SierraAR> wilee-nilee: Do you mean more than one OS? No, just Lubuntu
[20:10] <Walex> cinvoke: do you get a GUI screen at all? One with a cursor that looks like an arrow shape or similar, instead of a block?
[20:10] <wilee-nilee> SierraAR, Not desk top or laptop desktop as in unity?
[20:10] <cinvoke> Walex: thank you.  recovery booting now
[20:10] <wilee-nilee> or lubuntu or xubuntu...etc SierraAR
[20:10] <cinvoke> Walex: should i just drop into a root shell?
[20:11] <SierraAR> wilee-nilee: I believe the only one installed is LXCE/Lubuntu
[20:11] <SierraAR> wilee-nilee Unless Lubuntu installs other desktops/window managers (I'm assuming thats what you mean) as well
[20:11] <Guest70102> modeeb: Of course there are a dozen other ways to do this, for example you can try debugging the kernel which is very hard for beginners
[20:11] <modeeb> let's say I'm writing code in  folder (folder5) that is a child of four parent folder, so /foleder1/folder2/folder3/folder4/folder5/. When I go to folder5 on a terminal, well the directory takes a lot of space on the kernel. I'd like to see if I can work on files in a particular folder (folder5 in this example) without /foleder1/folder2/folder3/folder4/folder5/ appearing on the kernal every time
[20:11] <Walex> cinvoke: it depends on what is broken, which is far from clear from what you say.
[20:11] <reisio> modeeb: ...on the prompt?
[20:11] <Walex> cinvoke: what do you actually see on the screen when it is not working
[20:12] <Zorky> Can someone tell me, what command to run to force a logout?
[20:12] <daftykins> modeeb: edit your bash profile to achieve this.
[20:12] <cinvoke> Walex: no gui at all.  but im in the recovery console right now.  should i just go into root shell and try the xfce4-session cmd?
[20:12] <modeeb> reisio: yes
[20:12] <wilee-nilee> SierraAR, So this was a LXCE/Lubuntu install from the get go, if you add additional desktops the original has to have the auto wireless ticked in the network manager for all desktops to do it as well, are you getting the meaning here.
[20:13] <reisio> modeeb: export PS1="\[\e]2;\u@\H \w\a\e\[\033[36m\][\w]\[\033[0m\]\n\[\033[1;36m\]\[\033[1;32;1m\]$\[\e[0m\] "
[20:13] <unclezipper> Does anybody know anything about X11VNC? I'm trying to use the Java applet it serves from my office, but it doesn't seem to be going through. I have ports 5800 and 5900 forwarded
[20:13] <SierraAR> wilee-nilee: I'm a tad confused actually, I havent added any desktops. From the day I installed Lubuntu, the wireless has been disabled everytime I boot up
[20:14] <x-s4nd3r> I added /home/x-s4nd3r/Desktop/tsh/dd/chen.sh to /etc/rc.local so that it can execute as root, but as I rebooted, it showed "/home/x-s4nd3r/Desktop/tsh/dd/chen.sh not found", why this happened? I want that .sh to execute as root on startup, but it fails to do so, it says "not found"
[20:14] <Guest70102> modeeb:How on earth could PS1 be related to kernel and its memory?
[20:14] <reisio> Guest70102: we've already established it isn't
[20:14] <modeeb> Guest70102: what's PS1?
[20:14] <reisio> modeeb: what you're talking about
[20:14] <Guest70102> reisio:rofl
[20:14] <modeeb> haha
[20:14] <Walex> cinvoke: 'xfce4-session' only works if your X server is running
[20:15] <cinvoke> Walex: tried that. i got "cannot open display: ."
[20:15] <modeeb> I'm confused now hahaha
[20:15] <Walex> cinvoke: is the recovery console graphical?
[20:15] <cinvoke> Walex: ok
[20:15] <wilee-nilee> SierraAR, run in the terminal lspci and identify the wireless hardware for the channel.
[20:15] <Walex> cinvoke: try 'xinit'
[20:15] <cinvoke> Walex: yes
[20:15] <modeeb> reisia: What's PS1?
[20:15] <reisio> modeeb: it's what you're talking about
[20:15] <reisio> modeeb: copy, paste, & run this: export PS1="\[\e]2;\u@\H \w\a\e\[\033[36m\][\w]\[\033[0m\]\n\[\033[1;36m\]\[\033[1;32;1m\]$\[\e[0m\] "
[20:15] <wilee-nilee> SierraAR, If a usb run lsusb
[20:15] <Walex> cinvoke: how can it be graphical if you get ""cannot open display: ."?
[20:15] <Guest70102> modeeb:PS1 is the bash environment variable that controls the prompt text and style
[20:16] <modeeb> ok
[20:16] <SierraAR> wilee-nilee: 02:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR9485 Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01)
[20:16] <Walex> cinvoke: it would help if you described what you are seeing instead of saying what you think you are seeing...
[20:17] <SierraAR> wilee-nilee: That's the line corresponding to my laptop's wireless card
[20:17] <Ubunut> Guys - Ubuntu Edge campaign is about 40k off crowdfunding record - Canonical needs your help now http://igg.me/at/ubuntuedge/x/4040308
[20:18] <cinvoke> Walex: i booted into recovery console like you suggested.  then i selected 'drop into console as root"  when i say "its graphical"  i mean i see a gui "blue and gray" dialog with options.  when i choose one like "drop into root shell", i then have access to run commands.  when i ran xfce4-session, i simly pasted the error, not assuming.
[20:19] <ChogyDan> Ubunut: looks like they are 22 million off
[20:19] <Walex> cinvoke: what did 'xinit' do?
[20:19] <cinvoke> Walex: then i ran xinit, which informed me fatal server error. could not create lock file in /tmp/.tX0-lock
[20:19] <cinvoke> xinit: giving up
[20:19] <Walex> cinvoke: OK, then probably you already have a graphical environment indeed.
[20:20] <Walex> cinvoke: but probably one that has a minimal X config.
[20:20] <nawk> I selected a default action ("application") upon DVD/CD insert in Ubuntu by accident.
[20:20] <nawk> how can I change this default bebaviour
[20:20] <BigTaxi> I'm back again with the same problem- having trouble finding a hard drive that, up until today, worked fine.
[20:20] <Walex> cinvoke: try then 'env DISPLAY=:0 xterm' and check if a terminal comes up. If it does, type 'exit' in it to close it.
[20:20] <cinvoke> Walex: ok. 1 sec
[20:20] <tomek550> Hello. I have a problem with ubuntu if someone has a clue what's wrong.  I have laptop UX32VD and if i have external screen pluged in when starting ubuntu, laptop monitor wont show anything
[20:21] <bekks> tomek550: Did you read the manuakk of the laptop on how to activate external displays?
[20:21] <Ubunut> ChogyDan: Canonical need the world record first then the target sometime later :o) http://igg.me/at/ubuntuedge/x/4040308
[20:21] <tomek550> hm ? what do u mean ?
[20:22] <tomek550> oh u mean manual ? :D
[20:22] <Walex> tomek550: use the display configuration in 'system-settings' to enable that display.
[20:22] <bekks> tomek550: Yes :)
[20:22] <tomek550> i tried
[20:22] <tomek550> but it doesnt work
[20:22] <tomek550> problem is that if i start ubuntu with external screen
[20:23] <tomek550> only that screen works, but if i start it without that screen and plug it in after ubuntu loads, everything works fine
[20:23] <bekks> tomek550: what exactly did you try and what refuses to work and sits on the couch drinking beer instead?
[20:23] <Walex> tomek550: if you reconfigure the screens afterwards it should work.
[20:23] <cinvoke> Walex: sorry.  having to reboot.  when i type in console, i have to hit some keys multiple times.  very odd.
[20:24] <tomek550> so u mean like, boot with external and turn on laptop screen later in settings ?
[20:24] <Walex> tomek550: yes.
[20:24] <tomek550> tried that, doesnt work, it wont show there at all as disabled or anything.
[20:24] <nawk> I selected a default action ("application") upon DVD/CD insert in Ubuntu by accident.
[20:24] <nawk> how can I change this default bebaviour
[20:25] <Walex> tomek550: hard to believe, but if the laptop manufacturer chose some strange configuration it could happen. Try using the display switch button as <bekks> suggested
[20:25] <cinvoke> Walex: this time i booted as far as i could get, then switched to a different term session, and ran xinit.  that worked
[20:26] <D_Russ> hello all
[20:26] <reisio> hi
[20:27] <Walex> cinvoke: if 'xinit' worked, did it come up with the resolution that you expected?
[20:28] <Walex> cinvoke: also, if it worked, try running 'xfce4-session' in the terminal that comes up.
[20:28] <BigTaxi> having trouble finding a hard drive that, up until today, worked fine.
[20:28] <BigTaxi> if you can help, please do
[20:28] <Walex> BigTaxi: It could have died. Try looking at 'dmesg | less -SXi'
[20:28] <Walex> BigTaxi: also 'lsscsi' should list it.
[20:28] <daftykins> BigTaxi: i thought you mounted and saw its' contents already?
[20:29] <Guest70102> @BigTaxi:have you tried lshw?
[20:29] <BigTaxi> mounted a different partition, and i learned some stuff from google
[20:29] <cinvoke> Walex: resolution is fine. its old a white term box. woh, somehow that worked. i get a panel dialog
[20:29] <nadir> ciao
[20:29] <cinvoke> Walex: im guessing i should pick everythin default
[20:29] <nadir> !list
[20:29] <BigTaxi> daftykins, mounted a different partition, and i learned that im looking for 'sdb' probably
[20:30] <Walex> cinvoke: then your X configuration is fine, and you XFCE configuration is fine. Probably your LightDM configuration is not do good.
[20:30] <daftykins> BigTaxi: can you pastebin the output of 'sudo fdisk -l' from earlier and tell me which disk is which? :)
[20:30] <cinvoke> Walex: im still not sure what caused this.
[20:30] <cinvoke> Walex: is there a quick solution to use a different dm?
[20:30] <Walex> cinvoke: whatever -- desktop manager configuration are very easy to break. They do a somewhat fragile job.
[20:31] <Walex> cinvoke: try 'dpkg-reconfigure lightdm' perhaps it will reconfigure it
[20:31] <Zorky> is there anyone here who can tell me the command to logoff the user from terminal?
[20:31] <D_Russ> does anyone know how to get transmission (torrent client) to open the download location window on top of chrome when you click a torrent to download? ... I am used to Ubuntu 12.04 which does this automatically 13.04 you have to manually click on the transmission icon on the left side, This sometimes leads to me forgetting and the torrent never getting downloaded...
[20:31] <nawk> how can I change this default bebaviour
[20:31] <nawk> I selected a default action ("application") upon DVD/CD insert in Ubuntu by accident.
[20:32] <nawk> how can I change this default bebaviour
[20:32] <BigTaxi> daftykins, how do i get out of the -SXI' command? seems like an endless list
[20:32] <BigTaxi> nvm
[20:32] <daftykins> ctrl+c
[20:32] <Walex> cinvoke: else you can to look at logs and figure out what got broken
[20:33] <BigTaxi> daftykins, http://pastebin.com/64yXjWE6
[20:33] <cinvoke> Walex: had to be something when i was logging out.  it stalled and i just killed it.
[20:33] <Walex> cinvoke: very unlikely.
[20:34] <Walex> cinvoke: try also reinstalling: sudo apt-get install --reinstall lightdm
[20:34] <daftykins> BigTaxi: so the story is you plugged in a second hard disk, and today it's gone? is that accurate?
[20:35] <Zorky> what is the equilivant in 12.10 to gnome-session-save??
[20:35] <BigTaxi> daftykins, yeah. I've had it for more than a year, no problem, and today I couldnt find it. I moved houses, but it's securely attached, and I was very ginger with the computer
[20:35] <daftykins> BigTaxi: did you touch it to confirm it's spinning in the end?
[20:35] <BigTaxi> daftykins, the hdd is physically there, and spinning, but undetectable
[20:35] <Guest70102> cinvoke: with --purge
[20:36] <daftykins> BigTaxi: ok, can you run "dmesg | pastebinit" ?
[20:36] <Walex> Guest70102: good point...
[20:36] <BigTaxi> daftykins,  not installed
[20:36] <cinvoke> Walex: Guest70102: sudo apt-get install --purge --reinstall lightdm?
[20:36] <daftykins> BigTaxi: 'sudo apt-get install pastebinit' then repeat
[20:37] <Walex> got a strange issue: freshly installed 13.04 for a test (using 12.04 actually), then updated with all current updates, then rebooted, then mouse moves but cannot select anything and keyboard seems dead. Started X with 'xinit' and none of that happens. Suggestions?
[20:37] <Walex> cinvoke: yes...
[20:37] <pvl1> is it ok to add ubuntu repos to kali
[20:37] <Walex> cinvoke: you may have to deinstall first and then install again, but that probably works.
[20:38] <cinvoke> Walex: cool.
[20:38] <Walex> pvl1: ask in rhe Kali channel, but probably yes.
[20:38] <BigTaxi> daftykins, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5990427/
[20:38] <BigTaxi> is that what we needed?
[20:38] <daftykins> probably, one sec
[20:39] <daftykins> BigTaxi: bad news is it seems to be seeing the one disk only, perhaps try changing the SATA cable if you can, else try booting a LiveCD/USB with the other disk connected on the other one's cable and see if it finds it
[20:40] <BigTaxi> daftykins, I've swapped cables a few times. SATA is the multicolored one, with the broader plug?
[20:40] <daftykins> BigTaxi: no that's the power one, the data tends to be red or any colour, but small
[20:41] <MKCoin>  can I make the icons in the unity sidebar smaller?
[20:41] <jimmy51_> hello... i've just been through the read the man pages ringer in a few other rooms despite reading them and still not getting it.  i'm trying to dump the last 3MB of a HDD to a file using dd.  i realize i need to use dd if=/dev/sda of=/path/to/dump.dmp skip=something but am not sure of what value to use.  any help?
[20:41] <BigTaxi> daftykins, yep yep, ok. I've swapped that one too, I think. bad news, huh
[20:42] <Walex> jimmy51_: the last 3MB? You need also to do some arithmetic
[20:42] <MKCoin> ah nevermind I fond it
[20:43] <cinvoke> Walex: working fine now after reboot.  should i go ahead and reinstall lightdm ?  is there something better, but now heavy on resources?
[20:43] <jimmy51_> Walex: yes.  i've run fdisk -l to get a list of how many bytes are on the drive.
[20:43] <Walex> cinvoke: LightDM is the default choice for XFCE4
[20:43] <FastCode> jimmy51_: parted /dev/sda
[20:43] <D_Russ> does anyone know how to get transmission (torrent client) to open the download location window on top of chrome when you click a torrent to download? ... I am used to Ubuntu 12.04 which does this automatically 13.04 you have to manually click on the transmission icon on the left side, This sometimes leads to me forgetting and the torrent never getting downloaded...
[20:44] <Walex> cinvoke: looks like the 'dpkg-reconfigure' worked
[20:44] <FastCode> jimmy51_: U B
[20:44] <FastCode> jimmy51_: print
[20:44] <FastCode> jimmy51_: q
[20:44] <jimmy51_> Walex: i've then subtracted 3*1024*1024*1024*1024
[20:44] <mojtaba> Hi, I have lost the folder .thunderbird, but before I have made backup with dejadup; I have backups in 3 different days. If I want to restore, should I restore first one, and then second one and then last one? or should I just restore the last one?
[20:44] <cinvoke> Walex: you guys kick a$$!  thank you!
[20:45] <FastCode> jimmy51_: subtract 3145728 from disk size
[20:45] <Walex> FastCode: cat cat /sys/block/sda/size
[20:45] <BigTaxi> daftykins, any siggestions as to how to carry on?
[20:46] <FastCode> @Walex:thanks
[20:46] <BigTaxi> *suggestions
[20:46] <daftykins> BigTaxi: well, if a livecd doesn't see the other disk when connected with the known-working cable of the other one, it may be time to get outside help
[20:46] <mojtaba> Hi, I have lost the folder .thunderbird, but before I have made backup with dejadup; I have backups in 3 different days. If I want to restore, should I restore first one, and then second one and then last one? or should I just restore the last one?
[20:46] <archzombie> Can you install the ubuntu image using clockwork?
[20:46] <jimmy51_> FastCode: ok... not seeing disk size in the parted printout.  i see it in fdisk -l.  is that good?
[20:46] <jimmy51_> (i mean, a usable value)?
[20:47] <jimmy51_> FastCode:nevermind, i see it
[20:47] <BigTaxi> daftykins, ok, good thing my new apartment is filled with CS guys. Thanks a lot for your help.
[20:47] <FastCode> jimmy51_:i believe the way Walex pointed out is better
[20:47] <daftykins> BigTaxi: np :)
[20:47] <iceroot_> mojtaba: the last one
[20:47] <FastCode> jimmy51_: dd bs=1 if=/dev/sda skip=that number | dd of=my_file
[20:48] <iceroot_> mojtaba: the last one will contain all files which were in that folder on that date
[20:48] <mojtaba> iceroot_: thanks
[20:48] <seigmann> netflix wont work on ubuntu? ;s
[20:48] <jimmy51_> FastCode:  ok... 500,107,862,016.  i subtract 3145728 from that.  then i dd like you said.
[20:48] <iceroot_> !netflix | seigmann
[20:48] <jimmy51_> FastCode:  btw... why do a dd | dd instead of dd if and of in one command?
[20:48] <seigmann> ty iceroot_
[20:49] <mojtaba> iceroot_: Isn't the backup incremental?
[20:49] <mojtaba> iceroot_: I have made it with dejadup with default settings.
[20:49] <jimmy51_> FastCode: sudo dd bs=1 if=/dev/sda skip=500104716288 | dd of=/mnt/net/dump.dmp
[20:49] <FastCode> @jimmy51_:yes, because dd accepts only one block size for both input and output and that can cause real performance problems when set to 1 and writing to a file
[20:51] <FastCode> jimmy51_: And you are already writing to a network mount
[20:51] <jimmy51_> FastCode: hmm... something's wrong.  permission denied, even with sudo. yup, writing to network.
[20:51] <mojtaba> iceroot_: Isn't the backup incremental? I have made it with dejadup with default settings.
[20:51] <jimmy51_> (i have permission to write to it though... permission problem must be on read end... readying outside of drive)
[20:52] <guillermo> Yo
[20:52] <Ben64> jimmy51_: once you do | you lose sudo
[20:52] <FastCode> jimmy51_: are you root or member of disk group?
[20:52] <Walex> FastCode: that's not bad reasoning about using a double 'dd'
[20:52] <Zorky> I have a question regarding xscreensaver.. can anyone help?
[20:52] <Walex> FastCode: but 'dd' can do 'ibs' and 'obs'. However piping helps another way.
[20:52] <wilee-nilee> !anyone > Zorky
[20:53] <jimmy51_> cat /sys/block/sda/size gives a much different value than fdisk -l or parted does for drive size
[20:53] <SierraAR> !anyone
[20:53] <SierraAR> Sorry was just curious what that says; didn't realise it wouldnt pm me
[20:53] <Gambit-> hey folks
[20:54] <Ben64> SierraAR: you can pm the bot to test things like that
[20:54] <Gambit-> I'm trying to use ubuntu 12.04 LXC support, but running into a wierd problem with sudo's ASKPASS functionality.
[20:54] <Gambit-> When you try to do so, it fails to see the file specified
[20:54] <SierraAR> Ben64: Suppose I should've thought of that, sorry xD
[20:54] <Gambit-> http://pastebin.com/dXSY1LLY
[20:54] <Gambit-> Any ideas?
[20:54] <Ben64> SierraAR: no problem, just for future info
[20:54] <FastCode> @Walex:yep, dd won't read until the last buffer is written.
[20:54] <Zorky> I need xscreensaver to log the user off. how would i do that? i have tried to input kill −9 −1 into advanced options under a screensaver. it only makes the screen black. and i have to restart the client. any suggestions?
[20:54] <Gambit-> Or any suggestions for creating the image with sudo set to all already?
[20:54] <mojtaba> Is the backup made with dejadup full backup or incremental?
[20:55] <ikonia> Zorky: yoiucan't do it like that
[20:55] <Walex> jimmy51_: let S="($(cat /sys/block/sda/size) - 3*1024*(1024/512))/(1024*1024/512)"; dd bs=1M count=3 skip=$S if=.... of=....
[20:55] <jimmy51_> FastCode, Walex: if I just do a dd if=/dev/sda bs=1MB count=1 | of=/mnt/net/dump.dmp it works
[20:55] <Zorky> ikonia:  how would i aproache it then?
[20:55] <wilee-nilee> !dejadup
[20:55] <Walex> FastCode: no, that's not the reason, it is that it pipeline sinput with output
[20:55] <mojtaba> wilee-nilee:  Is the backup made with dejadup full backup or incremental?
[20:55] <ikonia> Zorky: to be honest, not using a screensaver
[20:55] <smallmouse> can someone assist with my ubuntu server this is what my host file looks like on /etc/apache2/conf.d but i cannot see my site via www only through ip address http://pastebin.com/7yF6yRXm thanks
[20:56] <ikonia> smallmouse: where have you setup dns
[20:56] <ikonia> smallmouse: (or any form of name resolution)
[20:56] <Zorky> ikonia:  i need the computer to auto logoff the user. after it hasent been used for lets say 30 min
[20:56] <smallmouse> ikonia: someone else did it so this is the only file that has been adjusted, we have an ip address then standard install
[20:56] <Walex> jimmy51_: note that "| of=..." does nothing
[20:56] <mojtaba> Hello, Is the backup made with dejadup full backup or incremental?
[20:56] <mojtaba> !dejadup | mojtaba
[20:56] <smallmouse> ikonia: ip address works and this is ours straight to our server
[20:57] <ikonia> smallmouse: are you trying to access it from the same machine as where the web server is running
[20:57] <mojtaba> Piliz, Is the backup made with dejadup full backup or incremental?
[20:57] <ikonia> Zorky: I'd look at the event that triggers the screen saver,
[20:57] <FastCode> @mojtaba:knock it of
[20:57] <FastCode> f
[20:57] <wilee-nilee> mojtaba, No idea I use grsync, however this link may help. http://www.howtogeek.com/108869/how-to-back-up-ubuntu-the-easy-way-with-dj-dup/
[20:57] <IamLight> greeting alls
[20:57] <ikonia> Zorky: and replace that, rather than trying to replace the actaul screen saver
[20:57] <Zorky> ikonia:  where is that?
[20:57] <IamLight> how can i start a app via terminal
[20:57] <smallmouse> ikonia: no external as this is an external server, it works with ip but Not with the www something up with this file but I dont know enough to say what I am included to delete the ip address and see if that works
[20:58] <IamLight> xbmc wont start
[20:58] <FastCode> @Walex:It just made my head spin, didn't notice dd is missing
[20:58] <Ben64> smallmouse: you need to make sure the name is resolving properly first of all
[20:58] <smallmouse> Ben64: where do i do this ?
[20:58] <FastCode> @mojtaba:صبر کنم دارم نصب میکنم.
[20:58] <ikonia> smallmouse: you need to setup a name resolution
[20:58] <smallmouse> Ben64: yes it is as our labs is working fine..
[20:58] <ikonia> smallmouse: that's your issue
[20:58] <newhoa> Is there a way to power down unmounted hard drives until they are mounted?
[20:58] <Ben64> smallmouse: terminal, "host google.com" if you owned google
[20:59] <ESPGuillermo> Hello
[20:59] <ESPGuillermo> I need a little help
[20:59] <wilee-nilee> mojtaba, More links. http://askubuntu.com/search?q=%5Bdeja-dup
[20:59] <mojtaba> FastCode: چیو؟ دژادوپ رو؟
[20:59] <ikonia> mojtaba: english please.
[20:59] <mojtaba> wilee-nilee: thanks
[20:59] <mojtaba> ikonia: ok
[20:59] <smallmouse> Ben64: ip address on host is correcty
[20:59] <ESPGuillermo> Windows isn't booting on my laptop so I was thinking of running/installing Ubuntu from a USB. Will this get rid of my Windows 7 OS or will the Windows 7 OS always be there?
[21:00] <Ben64> smallmouse: it'd be easier if you actually gave us the domain and ip
[21:00] <FastCode> @mojtaba:I believe we should speak English here, and yes just to see the default settings.
[21:00] <bitbyte> hey guys can any one let me know how to pre a usb on ubuntu server to make a bootable usb
[21:00] <daftykins> ESPGuillermo: just booting a livecd won't make any changes to the disk
[21:00] <mojtaba> FastCode: Thanks man
[21:00] <bitbyte> i know command to copy over the iso just don't know whether the usb needs formatting or anythign
[21:00] <daftykins> ESPGuillermo: during installation you will be able to choose if you want to install alongside or not
[21:00] <reisio> bitbyte: you want to put Ubuntu on a USB from an Ubuntu install?
[21:00] <ESPGuillermo> daftykins Ok thanks. I'm hoping the problems is with Windows itself and the laptop works fine with Ubuntu. But as long as I still have Windows 7 there, all is good
[21:00] <reisio> bitbyte: not he image itself has its own filesystem on it
[21:00] <reisio> bitbyte: no the*
[21:00] <daftykins> ESPGuillermo: however, would fixing the Windows install not be a better approach?
[21:00] <Zorky> ikonia:  how would i replace the trigger that triggers the screensaver. to do something else?
[21:00] <bitbyte> nah I'm wanting to put windows server iso on it
[21:01] <smallmouse> Ben64: i will get into trouble for that
[21:01] <reisio> bitbyte: on the usb stick?
[21:01] <bitbyte> yeh
[21:01] <ikonia> Zorky: not sure what triggers it in ubuntu 13.04 - I'd guess dbus
[21:01] <bitbyte> the micro server has no disk drive
[21:01] <mojtaba> I will come back
[21:01] <wilee-nilee> ESPGuillermo, Whatever you want, however resizing a non working W7 with ubuntu could be a bricking, I would fix it first if you want it to work.
[21:01] <reisio> bitbyte: http://serverfault.com/questions/6714/how-to-make-windows-7-usb-flash-install-media-from-linux#answer-167060
[21:01] <Zorky> ikonia:  im sitting on a 12.04
[21:01] <FastCode> @mojtaba:found it
[21:01] <ESPGuillermo> daftykins there are literally no options, it loads up, asks if I want to boot from hard drive or from USB and if I click hard drive (windows 7) it just freezes
[21:01] <bitbyte> much appreciated thanks alot
[21:01] <Ben64> smallmouse: you do realize the internet is public and people will find your ip if you have a website
[21:01] <ikonia> Zorky: same for 12.04
[21:01] <daftykins> ESPGuillermo: ah ok, sounds like you need a recovery disc
[21:01] <ESPGuillermo> wilee-nilee so if I try to run/install Ubuntu on a laptop where Windows isn't working, it could break to laptop for good?
[21:02] <FastCode> @mojtaba:duplicity(the backend) makes a full backup only the first time and the rest are just diffs
[21:02] <wilee-nilee> ESPGuillermo, resizing w7 when it does not work may break it worse.
[21:02] <ESPGuillermo> wilee-nilee what do you mean by 'resizing'? Sorry to come across as an idiot but I'm a little unfamiliar with the terms
[21:03] <genii> wilee-nilee: I doubt it's marked clean anyways.
[21:03] <wilee-nilee> ESPGuillermo, Do you have any allocated space on the hard drive to put ubuntu into?
[21:03] <wilee-nilee> unallocated*
[21:03] <wilee-nilee> genii, And your point is?
[21:04] <ESPGuillermo> wilee-nilee I'm not even able to load up the laptop so adding anything to the hard drive would be a task that'd be extremely difficult for me
[21:04] <genii> wilee-nilee: eg: The installer will refuse to resize it to begin with until chkdsk marks it clean.
[21:04] <usr13> smallmouse: It appears that you have a nameserver or network issue.
[21:05] <usr13> smallmouse: Neither of which would be a Ubuntu issue.
[21:05] <jimmy51_> Walex: the let S= thing blew up.  something isn't right with the let S line
[21:05] <wilee-nilee> ESPGuillermo, If you want windows to work in the future fix it first and image/clone it then install ubuntu. Just adding ubuntu will need a resizing of the windows partition, not a good idea on one that is broken, you would resize that windows with its disk manager anyway.
[21:05] <jimmy51_> let S="($(cat /sys/block/sda/size) - 3*1024*(1024/512))/(1024*1024/512)"
[21:05] <smallmouse> usr13: ubuntu people are lovely bunch and very helpful sorry..
[21:06] <wilee-nilee> genii, That is a guess, and to my point anyway I am tellinh them to fix it.
[21:06] <ESPGuillermo> wilee-nilee ok thanks for the info, I'll probably leave it because I don't want to risk making it worse
[21:06] <usr13> smallmouse: I know and you are correct, (just sort-of stating the obvious).
[21:07] <jimmy51_> Walex: is that line trying to do....   (drive size - 3 MB) / 1023*1024/512  ?
[21:07] <Zorky> ikonia:  i can't find anything that tells me how to do this
[21:07] <usr13> smallmouse: If there is any way we can help, we will (within reason).
[21:08] <ESPGuillermo> Do you guys use Ubuntu as your primary OS or just as a back up?
[21:08] <wilee-nilee> ESPGuillermo, There is a ##windows channel if you need help with it.
[21:09] <usr13> smallmouse:  Just because you define a domain name in your apache config does not mean anyone's network will resolve to your server.
[21:09] <wilee-nilee> ESPGuillermo, That would be a #ubuntu-offtopic subject.
[21:09] <ESPGuillermo> wilee-nilee alright, cheers man. And sorry
[21:09] <ikonia> smallmouse: with respect, if this is your understanding of how serving web pages work - you should really consider not doing this until you know more
[21:09] <FastCode> @Walex: I have no clue what you did in that math formula but /sys/block/sda/size is the sector count.
[21:09] <daftykins> ESPGuillermo: i tend to use it on servers in general usage, with a lot of recovery use too yeah
[21:09] <wilee-nilee> ;) ESPGuillermo
[21:09] <ESPGuillermo> #join /ubuntu-offtopic
[21:09] <wilee-nilee> !tab > FastCode
[21:10] <ESPGuillermo> lol typed it wrong
[21:10] <Ben64> ESPGuillermo: switch those things around :)
[21:10] <smallmouse> ikonia: i left it to some experts and have had problems and nonsense
[21:10] <wilee-nilee> ESPGuillermo,  /j /#ubuntu-offtopic
[21:10] <ikonia> smallmouse: they are not experts then, as setting up a basic web server is simple
[21:10] <wilee-nilee>  /j /ubuntu-offtopic
[21:10] <smallmouse> ikonia: thank you for the advice though, i will back up any files i adjust
[21:10] <usr13> ESPGuillermo: Yea, you butchered that one ;)
[21:10] <wilee-nilee> me to doh
[21:10] <wilee-nilee>  ESPGuillermo  /j #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:10] <jimmy51_> WOOHOO! i think it's working.  seems like the /sys/block/sda/size value wasn't the way to go
[21:10] <x-s4nd3r> is ecryptfs important?...
[21:11] <jimmy51_> (without more math... which doesn't working, evidently)
[21:11] <ikonia> x-s4nd3r: in what respect ?
[21:11] <jimmy51_> FastCode: parted output, minus the 3MB value, worked
[21:11] <x-s4nd3r> ikonia: I was looking at ecryptfs on google, and it seems that..sometimes it gets broken where you can no longer access your /home/ directory
[21:11] <x-s4nd3r> ikonia: in decrypted state.
[21:12] <ikonia> x-s4nd3r: yes, unless you are %101 on top of it, it can cause problems
[21:12] <x-s4nd3r> ikonia: and if I don't even have a passphrase of it, is there something else I can do?
[21:12] <ikonia> x-s4nd3r: no
[21:12] <jimmy51_> FastCode, Walex: thank you VERY much.
[21:12] <x-s4nd3r> ikonia: rescue mode?
[21:12] <ikonia> x-s4nd3r: no
[21:12] <rangergord> Hi. is there some rich text editor that will accept pasted rich text and preserve formatting? OpenOffice Writer's not doing it, because the text is too wide and it causes break since Writer needs to adhere to page size. Is there something else that will grow as much as needed? I dont need to print the document, just visualize it. I'm copying and pasting from Windows to a Linux VM. I could
[21:12] <rangergord> transfer files but it's annoyingly time-consuming when I just want to quickly get back to Linux.
[21:12] <x-s4nd3r> ikonia: then I am screwed?
[21:12] <ikonia> x-s4nd3r: yes
[21:13] <x-s4nd3r> I get your point, ikonia. I'll just uninstall ecryptfs to avoid 'such' situations.
[21:13] <daftykins> rangergord: perhaps libreoffice, being newer, will have better success
[21:13] <Ben64> my solution to the encryption issue is to not use encryption
[21:13] <wilee-nilee> rangergord, libreoffice is the supported app
[21:13] <x-s4nd3r> ben64: why?
[21:13] <rangergord> daftykins: sorry, I'm already using LibreOffice. Called it by the old name.
[21:13] <usr13> rangergord: soffice has page size restrictions only if you tell it to, (which is default).
[21:14] <iceroot_> mojtaba: yes it is
[21:14] <iceroot_> mojtaba: but what is the problem?
[21:14] <wilee-nilee> rangergord, try  #Openoffice.org
[21:14] <iceroot_> mojtaba: the 2. day will save a delta from the first day, so you will have day 1 + 2
[21:14] <rangergord> usr13: I went to its setting page already, there's no "unlimited size" option, I can just select between A4, A6, etc...figured I'd just ask if anyone could recommend a better rich text editor.
[21:14] <mojtaba> iceroot_: I have lost .thunderbird, and I want to restore it. I have 3 different backups (3 days).
[21:14] <wilee-nilee> rangergord, Ah libreoffice cool
[21:14] <iceroot_> mojtaba: without that a backup would be totally useless
[21:15] <FastCode> iceroot_: his problem is he has a quadrillion incremental backups and has no clue how to restore them.
[21:15] <iceroot_> mojtaba: as i said earlier, use the latest backup
[21:15] <rangergord> wilee-nilee: ok I'll try. Thanks.
[21:15] <usr13> rangergord: There is kword and others.
[21:15] <mojtaba> iceroot_: Ok, thanks
[21:15] <iceroot_> FastCode: incremental + delta, that is what deja-dup is doing
[21:15] <mojtaba> iceroot_: It means dejadup uses those backups automatically?
[21:15] <iceroot_> FastCode: like every other backup tool
[21:15] <usr13> rangergord: Maybe gedit
[21:15] <iceroot_> mojtaba: uses? in what context?
[21:16] <mojtaba> iceroot_: I mean to restore the data.
[21:16] <Ben64> x-s4nd3r: i don't see a situation where it'd be useful. there are only negatives
[21:16] <D_Russ> does anyone know how to get transmission (torrent client) to open the download location window on top of chrome when you click a torrent to download? ... I am used to Ubuntu 12.04 which does this automatically 13.04 you have to manually click on the transmission icon on the left side, This sometimes leads to me forgetting and the torrent never getting downloaded...
[21:16] <FastCode> iceroot_: I specialize in incremental databases, its my day job
[21:16] <x-s4nd3r> ben64, well the security part, where your files are protected if somebody gains root to your system.
[21:16] <iceroot_> mojtaba: backup day1 = all data, backup from day 2 = delta to day 1, so it includes day 1 as well with the changes from day 2
[21:17] <x-s4nd3r> if I have a list of channels, how can I automatically join them when I join a IRC network? (in xchat)
[21:17] <Ben64> x-s4nd3r: but your files would already be mounted
[21:17] <mojtaba> iceroot_: thanks
[21:17] <x-s4nd3r> ben64, so what's your advice? should I completely remove ecryptfs and go back to good ol' decrypted /home/
[21:17] <Ben64> x-s4nd3r: yep
[21:17] <iceroot_> mojtaba: you can also choose another location to restore the backup so you will not overwrite your current folder
[21:17] <vadi> What are some alternatives to ubuntu's usb startup disk creator? That tool is horribly broken and crashes 100% of the time without finishing the job in 12.04 LTS.
[21:18] <vadi> (see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usb-creator/+bug/859539, a two year old bug)
[21:18] <mojtaba> iceroot_: sure. Thanks
[21:18] <iceroot_> mojtaba: and you can specific only to restore specific folders, recreate the missing folder, right click - restore and choose the version
[21:18] <Ben64> vadi: unetbootin
[21:18] <vadi> Ben64: thanks!
[21:18] <x-s4nd3r> ben64, do YOU use encryption?
[21:19] <Ben64> x-s4nd3r: not on my drives, over the internet sure
[21:20] <x-s4nd3r> ben64, which part is most necessary? my internet-traffic is encrypted thru ssh-tunneling and socks5 which makes all data go thru the tunnel, and I use HTTPS whenever available.
[21:20] <x-s4nd3r> ben64: or encryption on drives?
[21:20] <Ben64> x-s4nd3r: its really up to you
[21:20] <ikonia> x-s4nd3r: what has tunneling got to do with your drives ?
[21:20] <Zorky> I need help regarding dbus. in chaning event triggers for the idle time, to make it do another command than open the screensaver
[21:20] <x-s4nd3r> ikonia: I was talking about internet traffic.
[21:21] <Aingeru_Ganix> Hello everyone, Aingeru_Ganixhere and i'm here and ready to DDoS.
[21:22] <Guest95487> hi
[21:22] <gee_> hi
[21:22] <FastCode> hi
[21:22] <gee_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=IomxvOTf-So
[21:22] <FloodBot1> gee_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:22] <bitbyte> keep getting told when trying to mount my usb to specify the type any one know how
[21:23] <bekks> bitbyte: mount -o ext4 .... e.g.
[21:23]  * bitbyte tried sudo mount /dev/sde1 /media/sde1 type ntfs
[21:23] <ikonia> gee_: please don't post that sort of thing in this channel
[21:23] <bekks> Gna.
[21:23] <jimmy51_> FastCode, Walex: now... to reverse this (write the dump to the last 3MB of the HDD) I would do this, right?  dd if=/mnt/net/dump.dmp | dd bs=1 of=/dev/sda seek={fdisk -l value minus 3*1024*2014}
[21:23] <bekks> bitbyte: mount -t ext4 .... e.g.
[21:23] <ikonia> gee_: this channel is for ubuntu support discussion only.
[21:23] <Zorky> I need help regarding dbus. in chaning event triggers for the idle time, to make it do another command than open the screensaver
[21:23] <bitbyte> well funnily enough its on ubuntu server :P
[21:23] <usr13> rangergord: soffice -writer -> Format -> Page -> Width / Height (set to high number of inches, your choice) (I see no limits there).
[21:23] <gee_> ikonia who are you?
[21:23] <bitbyte> thank you for the responses
[21:23] <gee_> :)
[21:23] <ikonia> gee_: someone advising you of the rules of the channel.
[21:24] <Guest95487> ikonia is the law
[21:24] <gee_> ok if the rules wish so
[21:24] <gee_> bb folks
[21:24] <ikonia> gee_: thanks
[21:24] <Guest95487> what a strange character
[21:25] <FastCode> jimmy51_: yes, but please first verify your file size
[21:25] <jimmy51_> FastCode: it's about 3.1MB
[21:25] <bitbyte> mmm this pen drive is giving me all sorts of issues trying to follow the guide suggested earlier for making the bootable usb stick by command line on ubuntu server but can't really seem to prep the stick right
[21:25] <jimmy51_> FastCode: looks like it at least grabbed 3MB from somewhere :)
[21:25] <FastCode> jimmy51_: ls -Slas should give everything
[21:26] <usr13> bitbyte: What seems to be the problem?
[21:26] <bytesoup> Hi folks I seem to have an issue with ubuntu dhcp server I installed isc-dhcp-server and setup the nameservers in the /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf file, clients get a IP address but no DNS settings in /etc/resolv.conf
[21:26] <bitbyte> following http://serverfault.com/questions/6714/how-to-make-windows-7-usb-flash-install-media-from-linux#answer-167060 as suggested and the actual creation of the filesystems i can't seem to get right
[21:26] <bitbyte> right *
[21:26] <auronandace> !resolvconf | bytesoup
[21:27] <Zorky> I need help regarding dbus. in chaning event triggers for the idle time, to make it do another command than open the screensaver
[21:27] <Guest95487> what does ls -slas do?
[21:27] <jimmy51_> FastCode: file size is exact.  one thing... i should be doing SEEK rather than SKIP on the write?
[21:27] <auronandace> Guest95487: man ls
[21:27] <bitbyte> well it moans when i try mounting saying specify the file type and then says its not ntfs
[21:27] <utusan> Guest95487: ls --help
[21:27] <FastCode> jimmy51_: yes
[21:28] <auronandace> Guest95487: keep in mind case sensitivity, -s could be an entirely different option to -S
[21:28] <bekks> bitbyte: Then its not NTFS. Use: "sudo blkid" to see what it is.
[21:28] <FastCode> and it is
[21:28] <jimmy51_> FastCode: ok... here goes
[21:28] <usr13> bytesoup: "isc-dhcp-server"?  What is wrong with dnsmasq?
[21:29] <FastCode>   -s, --size                 print the allocated size of each file, in blocks
[21:29] <FastCode>   -S                         sort by file size
[21:29] <FastCode> I had forgotten which is which so i used both
[21:30] <bitbyte> sorry the sudo blkld is not working for me command not found
[21:30] <bytesoup> auronandace: thanks but it seems the clients do not get a nameserver when using my home router as a DHCP server the /etc/resolv.conf shows the router's IP as DNS
[21:30] <bytesoup> I have opendns configured on the server in its own /etc/resolve.conf file so DNS works for the server itself
[21:30] <ixio2> !ot
[21:31] <bytesoup> usr13: Ive not heard of dnsmasq would that work better for me? I want to use Open dns for name resolving to save running DNS on the server too
[21:33] <usr13> bytesoup: I suppose it would.  Others here may have more specific advise, but dnsmasq is what I would try first.'
[21:33] <usr13> bytesoup: dnsmasq provides a caching nameserver as well as dhcpd
[21:34] <bytesoup> usr13: the thing is i want to avoid configuring the client machines so they just connect to the network broadcast for DHCP and get the nameserver config too
[21:34] <usr13> bytesoup: http://www.thekelleys.org.uk/dnsmasq/doc.html
[21:34] <Gamoder_> Hi everone, I just wanted to know whether there still is an application available for getting data from Windows Mobile 6.1-phones (ubuntu 13.04, 64 bit)?
[21:35] <Gamoder_> synce somehow seams dead - especially, synce-trayicon doesn't work here (using xfce, if I start it no icon appears)
[21:35] <FastCode> bitbyte: install util-linux
[21:37] <bytesoup> usr13: yes thanks im looking at that page now...
[21:37] <usr13> bytesoup: Yea, see if it meets your needs.
[21:38] <MraMaria> Hi. Could you please help me find a solution for running on 13.04  a - VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Rage XL PCI (rev 27)
[21:38] <FastCode> jimmy51_: did it work?
[21:38] <bitbyte> the sudo apt-get install until-linux didn't install it
[21:38] <Gamoder_> And - I don't know what do to do make my computer recognize the phone
[21:39] <FastCode> bitbyte: what did it say?
[21:39] <usr13> Gamoder_: Get a smartphone ;)
[21:39] <jimmy51_> FastCode: it appears to have written the 3MB.  it did not have the desired result (i'm exporting weird driver data, importing on another machine)
[21:39] <bitbyte> its at its newest install already
[21:39] <jimmy51_> FastCode: cat'ing the 3MB file makes me think it's interupting the actual driver data.  i'm shooting for 10MB this time to see if it catches it all.
[21:39] <bitbyte> but the sudo blkld command still not recognised
[21:40] <Gamoder_> usr13: Well, I have one, but want to transfer my contacts
[21:40] <daftykins> bitbyte: it's blkid, with an I, not ld
[21:40] <bekks> bitbyte: blkid not blkld
[21:40] <FastCode> your PATH may be wrong, use /sbin/blkid instead of just blkid
[21:40] <Ben64> jimmy51_: what are you even trying to do
[21:40] <bitbyte> ah very sorry my eye sights not what it used to be
[21:40] <FastCode> bitbyte: mine too:)
[21:40] <usr13> Gamoder_: Sorry, was just a bit of taste-free-humor.  ;)
[21:41] <Gamoder_> yeah, I know
[21:41] <Gamoder_> still - is there maybe an archive version of synce.org?
[21:41] <bitbyte> it dosnt actually list it when its done
[21:41] <bitbyte> so i just used sudo cfdisk /dev/sde and created a part ion and wrote it out
[21:41] <bitbyte> and /dev/sde dosnt show on it
[21:42] <bekks> bitbyte: Then there is no filesystem on /dev/Sde
[21:42] <FastCode> jimmy51_: let me see if i can find someway to make dd read/write backwards
[21:42] <Ben64> Gamoder_: theres a way to export to csv
[21:42] <bitbyte> right then now I'm just confused haha
[21:42] <bitbyte> cfdisk is lying to me then
[21:42] <bekks> bitbyte: No.
[21:42] <bekks> bitbyte: cfdisk creates a partition type, not a filesystem.
[21:43] <bitbyte> and when in cfdisk i do set the type to NTFS
[21:43] <bitbyte> or do i now need to follow up with mkfs.ntfs
[21:43] <bekks> bitbyte: Thats the partitio type. cfdisk does not know anything about filesystems.
[21:43] <bekks> bitbyte: Yes, you need to create a filesystem.
[21:44] <FastCode> bitbyte: use /dev/disk/by-.... its safer and makes you make less mistakes
[21:44] <juken> Hi all, I just installed Ubuntu Server 13.04 and I'm trying to install X. The reason is I have 7 ATI HD 7970 video cards and I need to install the latest catalyst drivers; however, installation of the catalyst driver halts because it cannot detect the version of X.
[21:44] <bsmith093> there was a massive spike in system load just now, how do i find out what it was, its ver now?
[21:44] <MraMaria> Could you please help me find a solution for running on 13.04  a - VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Rage XL PCI (rev 27)
[21:44] <bekks> bsmith093: no chance.
[21:44] <bitbyte> i love my install of server
[21:44] <Ben64> MraMaria: you'd have to see if the opensource driver works for that, it is very old
[21:45] <FastCode> bitbyte: doesn't everyone love theirs?
[21:45] <bitbyte> i did mkfs.ntfs -f /dev/sde1 and said mkfs isn't installed and then i did sudo apt-get install ntfs-3g and then said latest version installed >..<
[21:45] <MraMaria> Ben64:  a PPA?
[21:45] <bitbyte> so you recommend doing /dev/disk/by
[21:45] <FastCode> its safer
[21:46] <bitbyte> whats the full command when I've googled that its brought back some confusing results
[21:46] <Ben64> MraMaria: the open source radeon driver is already in ubuntu
[21:46] <FastCode> bitbyte: your PATH is wrong
[21:46] <IamLight> Could someone take a look as to why XBMC is crashing?
[21:46] <IamLight> http://pastebin.com/ECMZ7U04
[21:46] <FastCode> bitbyte: echo $PATH
[21:46] <bitbyte> its /dev/sde1 for the partion
[21:46] <Gamoder_> Ben64: Sorry, seems like I destoryed my internet connection when trying to follow a tutorial. How do I export my contacts in csv? (And how would I transfer that file?)
[21:47] <FastCode> bitbyte: not the partition path, THE PATH
[21:47] <Ben64> Gamoder_: its been years, i don't remember anymore.
[21:47] <bitbyte> down as /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games
[21:47] <MraMaria> Ben64: well... isn´t working as per installation of the system :(
[21:47] <usr13> Gamoder_: From ____________?
[21:47] <FastCode> it should output something like /bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/home/fastcode/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/bin
[21:47] <Ben64> !working | MraMaria
[21:47] <Gamoder_> usr13: The Windows Mobile 6.1 phone to my ubuntu desktop
[21:48] <MraMaria> Ben64: wait... i might need to uncomment some repos.
[21:48] <Jordan_U> bitbyte: mkfs.ntfs is not included in ntfs-3g, it's included in ntfsprogs.
[21:48] <FastCode> mine is in ntfs-3g
[21:48] <bitbyte> strange, automated error suggested to install that package
[21:48] <bitbyte> but the path is : /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games
[21:48] <Ben64> !work | MraMaria
[21:48] <FastCode> Jordan_U: already verified with dpkg -S $(which mkfs.ntfs)
[21:49] <Jordan_U> bitbyte: Please pastebin the exact output of "mkfs.ntfs --help".
[21:49] <usr13> Gamoder_: I dono.  If it were thunderbird or one of the  Linux apps, I might be able to tell you, but not familiar with Windows Mobile apps.
[21:49] <MraMaria> ub0ttu: give a strong word of thanks statement to Ben64 , pls :p
[21:49] <FastCode> bitbyte: execute this: which mkfs.ntfs
[21:50] <bitbyte> http://pastebin.com/b2KwU9uZ
[21:50] <bitbyte> sorry this is both commands
[21:50] <bitbyte> http://pastebin.com/aRYWhNQk
[21:50] <bitbyte> the help and which
[21:51] <bitbyte> which didn't produce any results
[21:51] <FastCode> bitbyte: The script telling you its not installed checks the path, when  you fix it everything will be alright
[21:51] <Jordan_U> bitbyte: What is the output of "sudo which mkfs.ntfs"?
[21:51] <FastCode> ls /sbin/mkfs.ntfs
[21:51] <FastCode> sbin should be global readable
[21:51] <usr13> Gamoder_: Windows Moble may export comma separated by default. Try it and see.
[21:52] <bitbyte> dosnt produce anything
[21:52] <bitbyte> and when apt-get install ntfs-3g as recommended by the server get this output
[21:52] <bitbyte> http://pastebin.com/4er81U29
[21:52] <FastCode> run this:
[21:52] <bitbyte> no output for the sudo which mkfs,.ntfs
[21:53] <FastCode> export PATH=/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin
[21:53] <willybilly0101> how do make a script so that it will open in a terminal window when run from DE?
[21:53] <Jordan_U> bitbyte: You added an extra comma, it's just "sudo which mkfs.ntfs".
[21:53] <FastCode> bitbyte: you should modify your .profile and/or .bashrc to make this change if it fixes the problem
[21:54] <Jordan_U> willybilly0101: You can either make a .Desktop file which will launch your script in a terminal when double clicked, or have the script itself launch gnome-terminal.
[21:54] <x-s4nd3r> what is a swap?
[21:54] <willybilly0101> I prefer second option, how to launch a terminal that will run the script?
[21:54] <bitbyte> dosnt seem to have done anything
[21:54] <bitbyte> http://pastebin.com/W1BRGDZg
[21:55] <willybilly0101> x-s4nd3r, is a part of your HDD which is used instead of RAM in certain cases
[21:55] <x-s4nd3r> what does "swap" does exactly?
[21:55] <bitbyte> which memory is being fully utilised it is used as over flow ram
[21:56] <bitbyte> when *
[21:56] <Gamoder_> usr13: Well - but where?
[21:56] <x-s4nd3r> and what's /dev/mapper/cryptswap1
[21:56] <willybilly0101> encrypted swap
[21:56] <FastCode> it stops hackers from reading what was once in your ram
[21:57] <x-s4nd3r> Swap:      5636616          0    5636616
[21:57] <x-s4nd3r> 0 usage?
[21:57] <bitbyte> well presume if your not using the whole of your ram at the moment then that would be right
[21:57] <bitbyte> start running 10 vm's :P soon use it all up
[21:57] <FastCode> bitbyte: does blkid work now? without specifying full path(i.e. /sbin/blkid)
[21:57] <x-s4nd3r> haha
[21:58] <bitbyte> the commands working
[21:58] <bitbyte> yes
[21:58] <x-s4nd3r> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cryptsetup/+bug/474258
[21:58] <x-s4nd3r> ...now I am scared
[21:58] <FastCode> what version is the ubuntu on your server?
[21:59] <IamLight> Could someone take a look as to why XBMC is crashing? please?
[21:59] <IamLight> http://pastebin.com/ECMZ7U04
[21:59] <x-s4nd3r> and what is a linux partition? like /dev/sda1..etc (i am just tryna get more knowledge lol)
[21:59] <bitbyte> its 13.03
[21:59] <bitbyte> 13.04 sorry
[21:59] <FastCode> x-s4nd3r: pray it is, otherwise it should be the whole sda
[22:00] <bitbyte> its fully unto date i updated before i started this mission :/
[22:00] <jpds> x-s4nd3r: Scared of a fix released bug?
[22:00] <x-s4nd3r> what fastcode
[22:01] <x-s4nd3r> jpds: what is fastcode saying
[22:01] <x-s4nd3r> i am confused
[22:01] <x-s4nd3r> at his mysterious words
[22:02] <FastCode> bitbyte: dpkg -S mkfs.ntfs
[22:02] <FastCode> x-s4nd3r: it was a joke
[22:02] <bitbyte> ntfs-3g: /usr/share/man/man8/mkfs.ntfs.8.gz
[22:02] <bitbyte> ntfs-3g: /sbin/mkfs.ntfs
[22:02] <x-s4nd3r> #ubuntu is not a place for jokes, fastcode
[22:02] <FastCode> x-s4nd3r: sorry
[22:03] <bitbyte> fast it is in sbin
[22:03] <bitbyte> and man page is there
[22:03] <bitbyte> ntfs-3g: /sbin/mkfs.ntfs
[22:03] <eos> hi everybody .... is it possible to listen to the audio line in whillst recording from the command line?
[22:04] <Tranter_Alfie> Hello everyone, Tranter_Alfiehere and i'm here and ready to DDoS.
[22:05] <FastCode> eos: pkill aplay;pkill arecord;rm rec.wav;(arecord -f dat rec.wav &);sleep $1;(aplay rec.wav &);sleep 2147483647; pkill arecord;pkill aplay
[22:05] <CharlieSu> How can I run a single command in my upstart script as root and the other as my 'setuid' user?  I'm trying to create a directory in my pre-start stanza
[22:05] <FastCode> eos: i had it in a script, does what you want
[22:05] <bitbyte> this is crazy fast it clearly is there under shin but when its invoked it says its not installed
[22:05] <bitbyte> sbin*
[22:06] <bekks> bitbyte: Then use it, mkfs.ntfs
[22:06] <ikonia> don't use linux to make ntfs file systems
[22:06] <ikonia> use windows - it's the right tool
[22:06] <CharlieSu> How can I run a single command in my upstart script as root and the other as my 'setuid' user?  I'm trying to create a directory in my pre-start stanza
[22:06] <bitbyte> funny thing is I'm trying to install windows server >..<
[22:06] <eos> FastCode: thanks! How does that work? why do you need pkill?
[22:06] <CharlieSu> a
[22:06] <FastCode> bitbyte: i believe i know what is wrong, this is the exact reason i ditched debian a few months back
[22:06] <ikonia> bitbyte then it should be able to format it at install time
[22:06] <CharlieSu> How can I run a single command in my upstart script as root and the other as my 'setuid' user?  I'm trying to create a directory in my pre-start stanza
[22:06] <Jordan_U> ikonia: mkfs.ntfs works perfectly well, I see no reason not to use it.
[22:06] <ikonia> Jordan_U: I'm sorry - but it doesn't
[22:07] <jpds> !repeat | CharlieSu
[22:07] <bitbyte> ok for all the guys saying its there ill paste you the terminal window
[22:07] <FastCode> eos: bacause i ran that script multiple times and it would mess up the recorded file.
[22:07] <Jordan_U> ikonia: Do you have links to bug reports / specific issues?
[22:07] <CharlieSu> jpds: irssi wasn't printing my line..  wasn't sure if it was going through (which is why I left and came back.. )
[22:07] <ikonia> Jordan_U: just personal experience and issues observed with others,
[22:07] <eos> FastCode: I see .... and the sleep $1?
[22:07] <bitbyte> http://pastebin.com/G5ipUUdp
[22:07] <reisio> it works perfectly well for making a bootable USB stick, which is what he's doing :p
[22:08] <FastCode> i know its there and i know it won't run
[22:08] <bitbyte> i know you know fast
[22:08] <FastCode> I've seen this before
[22:08] <reisio> bitbyte: is that a badger?
[22:08] <bitbyte> :P but the others dont
[22:08] <eos> FastCode: what is the latency?
[22:08] <bitbyte> honey badgers protect everything !
[22:08] <Jordan_U> willybilly0101: http://sprunge.us/VJPG
[22:08] <FastCode> latency is $1
[22:08] <wilee-nilee> mean little buggers
[22:09] <bitbyte> i moved to the shin folder and tried running it, still didn't work
[22:09] <bekks> bitbyte: Run: /sbin/mkfs.ntfs
[22:09] <bitbyte> I'm so confused right now by this mkfs.ntfs
[22:09] <ikonia> bitbyte: ls -la /sbin/mkfs.ntfs
[22:09] <reisio> bitbyte: what's the problem?
[22:09] <willybilly0101> Jordan_U, thanks, I have found the solution (xterm -e)
[22:09] <eos> FastCode: because I get "sleep missing operand"
[22:09] <bitbyte> its there but says its not installed haha
[22:09] <ikonia> bitbyte: ls -la /sbin/mkfs.ntfs
[22:09] <willybilly0101> I realised that I asked in the wrong chan, I don't use ubuntu :)
[22:09] <ikonia> bitbyte: you're not running it right
[22:09] <bitbyte> -bash: /sbin/mkfs.ntfs: No such file or directory
[22:09] <ikonia> bitbyte: it's not there
[22:10] <bitbyte> lmao
[22:10] <Dr_Willis> !find mkfs.ntfs
[22:10] <bitbyte> look at the past bin it is
[22:10] <reisio> bitbyte: what's confusing about it saying it's not installed?
[22:10] <reisio> bitbyte: oh, so you've found a bug, no big deal :)
[22:10] <ikonia> bitbyte: no - it's not
[22:10] <FastCode> eos: copy the text in a shell file and run it like this 'myfile.sh 4'
[22:10] <bitbyte> *bashes head* fast code knows where I'm at haha
[22:11] <ikonia> bitbyte: the binary mkfs.ntfs is not there
[22:11] <FastCode> 'its not installed' is not a bug
[22:11] <Otmar_Mikhah> Hello everyone, Otmar_Mikhahhere and i'm here and ready to DDoS.
[22:11] <reisio> bitbyte: is there some problem other than this discrepancy?
[22:11] <eos> FastCode: fantastic, thanks a lot!!!! the second sleep is just to allow the script to go on indeterminately ....
[22:11] <bitbyte> when you say the binary is not there you mean the shin file
[22:11] <bitbyte> as the shin file is there
[22:11] <FastCode> the bug is with the path,sudo,pam,.profile,.....
[22:11] <ikonia> bitbyte: file is NOT there
[22:11] <ikonia> bitbyte: ls -la /sbin/mkfs.ntfs
[22:12] <reisio> does it matter if it's there or not?
[22:12] <eos> FastCode: is that correct?
[22:12] <Jordan_U> bitbyte: Please try running "sudo apt-get remove --reinstall ntfs-3g".
[22:12] <ikonia> reisio: it does if he's saying it is there anre doesn't run
[22:12] <FastCode> eos:yes
[22:12] <ikonia> when it's clearly not there
[22:12] <bitbyte> seriosuly relslo http://pastebin.com/wRAg259w
[22:12] <reisio> if it doesn't run it doesn't run, it doesn't matter if it's there
[22:12] <eos> thanks a lot, it was very useful!
[22:12] <reisio> bitbyte: sudo which mkntfs
[22:12] <ikonia> reisio: be nice to know if it's there and is broken, or is infact.....not actually there
[22:13] <FastCode> fourth column,second row
[22:13] <bitbyte> sudo mkfs.ntfs returns nothing
[22:13] <reisio> I s'pose
[22:13] <FastCode> stat /sbin/mkfs.ntfs
[22:14] <reisio> bitbyte: and what about what I asked?
[22:14] <bitbyte> start: Unknown job: /sbin/mkfs.ntfs
[22:14] <bekks> bitbyte: stat, not start.
[22:14] <FastCode> stat not start
[22:14] <bitbyte> yes the sudo which mkfs.ntfs returns nothing relslo this has been done previously but the paste bin i have given clearly shows the file there
[22:14] <reisio> bitbyte: I didn't say mkfs.ntfs
[22:14] <bitbyte> and previously have checked the man pages and the man page file is there
[22:14] <ikonia> bitbyte: the pastebin does NOT say it's there
[22:14] <ikonia> bitbyte: the pastebin says it's NOT there
[22:15] <OerHeks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ntfs-3g/+bug/1148541
[22:15] <ikonia> bitbyte: the man page is not the binary
[22:15] <bitbyte> so mkntfs your wanting
[22:15] <reisio> bitbyte: right
[22:15] <FastCode> it deos, fourth column, second row
[22:15] <eos> last question ....some time I would liek to be able to start the wireless network from the command line.... how do you do that?
[22:15] <bitbyte> says its in /sbin/mkntfs
[22:15] <reisio> bitbyte: use that, with -f
[22:15] <Lunar_Lander> hi, why does ubuntu now ask for "pay what you think it is worth" when you try to download it?
[22:15] <eos> I have tried nmcli c but I have failed
[22:15] <FastCode> did you just see the bot message
[22:15] <FastCode> ?
[22:16] <eos> is there a way to connect to wireless using the command line?
[22:16] <bitbyte> lmao really ! its changed from mkfs.ntfs to mkntfs
[22:16] <FastCode> eos: read wpa_supplicants manual
[22:16] <bitbyte> !!!
[22:16] <ikonia> FastCode: -s does not mean it's there - -S will show what "should" be contained in that package
[22:16] <eos> I have even tried nmcli dev wifi connect SSSI
[22:16] <reisio> Lunar_Lander: 'cause Canonical is a for-profit company, and some people actually want to pay them, even
[22:16] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[22:16] <eos> sorry FastCode I mean with nmcli
[22:16] <reisio> bitbyte: it hasn't changed, really
[22:17] <reisio> bitbyte: mkntfs is the thing, mkfs.ntfs is another thing
[22:17] <Lunar_Lander> well I did, when I ordered the 12.04 CD :)
[22:17] <eos> FastCode: I reaad the man pages, but to no avail
[22:17] <Lunar_Lander> actually never downloaded ubuntu before
[22:17] <reisio> bitbyte: ideally you'd have both, and one would point to the other
[22:17] <FastCode> cat /sbin/mkfs.ntfs
[22:17] <reisio> Lunar_Lander: there's a link at the bottom to just download it
[22:17] <ikonia> it's not there - there is even a bug saying it's not there that OerHeks has just posted
[22:17] <reisio> Lunar_Lander: also: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+cdmirrors
[22:17] <Lunar_Lander> reisio, thanks
[22:17] <bitbyte> lmao cat: /sbin/mkfs.ntfs: No such file or directory
[22:17] <bitbyte> anywho
[22:17] <FastCode> the definite answer to the billion dollar question
[22:17] <reisio> yes, anywho
[22:17] <bitbyte> the ntfs filesystem has been aplied
[22:17] <bitbyte> i can shoot myself later over it
[22:18] <reisio> yes
[22:18] <Jordan_U> ikonia: To be fair, there is a file at /sbin/mkfs.ntfs, it's just that that file is a broken symlink.
[22:18] <bitbyte> i actually almost forgot why i was doing this
[22:18] <bitbyte> hahaha
[22:18] <FastCode> dammit
[22:18] <bitbyte> guys the help is very much appreciated
[22:18] <ikonia> Jordan_U: ls -la /sbin/mkfs.ntfs shows file not there - that should show the link
[22:18] <Marlenee> what is the best irc server i can install on my ssh serev other that unrealircd and inspircd
[22:18] <ikonia> Jordan_U: there is nothing there
[22:18] <reisio> Marlenee: what's wrong with inspircd
[22:18] <ikonia> Marlenee: just use one of the main ones
[22:18] <OerHeks> correct Jordan_U , the answer is in that bugreport too > sudo ln -s /sbin/mkntfs /sbin/mkfs.ntfs
[22:19] <bitbyte> i run idcd - ratbox
[22:19] <ikonia> Marlenee: use one you know how to run so you don't have to ask "what is the best"
[22:19] <Jordan_U> ikonia: Interesting, that's not consistent with the bug report as I understand it. I wonder what's happening.
[22:19] <reisio> mkfs.ntfs isn't that important once you know where the actual binary is <shrug>
[22:19] <Ralf_Narcisse> Hello everyone, Ralf_Narcissehere and i'm here and ready to DDoS.
[22:19] <reisio> the fsck symlinks would be more important
[22:19] <reisio> but there isn't one for ntfs anyways
[22:20] <bekks> ikonia: I guess that guy with the DDoS is using just a few servers, I think I've seen the same IP a few times.
[22:21] <ikonia> bekks: it changes then you ban in
[22:21] <bitbyte> right i deed asking this question any one know how to add ms-sys command
[22:21] <bekks> ikonia: ah
[22:21]  * curatrix is guessing that he is trying to get someone named ralf in to trouble
[22:21] <ChogyDan> can someone help me to not hate rythmbox?  It doesn't just play when I ask it to play something.  If I select a few songs to play, it will play the first one, then start playing random other audio files on my computer.   And of course, it doesn't turn off when I close it.  What am I missing?
[22:21] <FastCode> meta question:in smuxi IRC client, what should i do to stop seeing the login/logout messages?
[22:21] <hansp> i logged in as su - root in terminal, and got my root@ there but i still cant copy a file into var/www/. how is that?
[22:21] <Marlenee> reisio : i cant configure inspircd and i dont know amuch about unrealircd
[22:22] <reisio> Marlenee: so get help configuring it :)
[22:22] <Marlenee> what channel #
[22:22] <eos> FastCode: wpa_supplicant I do know how it works, but on ubuntu the implemntation si quite strange
[22:23] <FastCode> oes:last time i used it was on debian, let me take a look
[22:24] <FastCode> eos:nope, it's exactly the same
[22:24] <FastCode> wpa_passphrase myssid mypass > myssid.psk;wpa_supplicant -i wlan0 -c myssid.psk;dhclient wlan0
[22:26] <eos> FastCode: .... but there is not wpa_supplicant.conf with a traditional strcture ....
[22:26] <wilee-nilee> FastCode, http://wiki.xkcd.com/irc/hide_join_part_messages
[22:27] <wilee-nilee> FastCode, Took about 5 seconds to find that.
[22:27] <eos> FastCode: thanks a lot in any case, I will look at it, but I was hoping to be able to use nmcli
[22:27] <FastCode> wilee-nilee: I didn't know what to search for, thanks.
[22:28] <wilee-nilee> 4 removing some of the words in your question
[22:28] <wilee-nilee> ;)
[22:28] <Lunar_Lander> any idea why K3b says "please insert an empty medium" while there is an empty CD-R in the drive?
[22:29] <reisio> Lunar_Lander: what makes you think it's empty
[22:29] <FastCode> rofl
[22:29] <Lunar_Lander> just took it from the empty CDs
[22:29] <reisio> from like a fresh wrapped collection of them?
[22:29] <Lunar_Lander> and ubuntu says "you just inserted an empty CD-R"
[22:29] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[22:29] <reisio> okay
[22:29] <reisio> try it again
[22:29] <reisio> cd drives are slow
[22:29] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[22:29] <Lunar_Lander> one moment
[22:30] <FastCode> also it happens with low-quality disks
[22:31] <FastCode> somebody just melted
[22:31] <Lunar_Lander> sorry my own stupidity
[22:31] <Lunar_Lander> the ubuntu ISO is 794 MB
[22:31] <Diranged> Can someone help me out with Apt pinning?
[22:31] <Lunar_Lander> and my CDs are 700 MB
[22:32] <wilee-nilee> Lunar_Lander, You need a dvd or a usb drive, or can use the netload.
[22:32] <Lunar_Lander> just put in a DVD and now it works
[22:32] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[22:32] <Lunar_Lander> thanks :)
[22:32] <Diranged> I've got two repos.. one named stable, one named unstable. id like to always prefer the stable repo if no options are given to the apt command, but if a package install DEPENDS on something from Unstable, I want it to work.
[22:32] <tinkster> What's the recommended way of getting a newer version of a tool installed than what's available from repos/backports/PPAs?  I  need libdbi-0.9.0, but the latest *buntu I can find is 0.8.4
[22:32] <Diranged> Any ideas on how to get that to work? I seem to only be able to explicitly make apt install out of an unstable repo by installing the package itself manually..
[22:32] <tinkster> Building from source and installing in /usr/local is trivial
[22:32] <FastCode> i think the stable should be 900 and the unstable 501
[22:32] <tinkster> but it seems unclean
[22:34] <ChogyDan> tinkster: if you build from source, you can use checkinstall to get a quick deb
[22:34] <ixio2> how to list all users on a system ?
[22:34] <ixio2> other than /etc/passwd ?
[22:34] <bekks> ixio2: There is no other list of users that are allowed to log in.
[22:35] <tinkster> ChogyDan , yeah, but that will still install it in parallel with the existing 0.8.4 in /usr/local ... and I'd like to avoid that
[22:35] <ixio2> bekks: I mean is there a quicker way to just show "normal" users (not system users) from the command line ?
[22:35] <bekks> ixio2: No.
[22:36] <tinkster> ixio2 : assuming you mean "people" and not "system accounts/daemon users" ... ls -l /home might be a good starting point, but it's not fool proof
[22:36] <FastCode>  stat /home/*|grep Uid|awk '{print "\("$6}'
[22:37] <tinkster> awk -F: '$3>500{print $1}' /etc/passwd
[22:38] <InFlames> i asked in #vbox already, but can anyone help me get virtualbox to see my usb devices? it worked only a short while ago, now it doesn't
[22:38] <tinkster> Upgraded vbox, but not the extension pack?
[22:39] <InFlames> tinkster, both are the latest from the site
[22:39] <richttttt> hi, My name is Richard and I am trying to install a distro alongside windows for the first time, and am having problems. Would anyone be willing to try to figure out what my problem is?
[22:39] <FastCode> guest additions?
[22:39] <meditator> hello.. we are a small non-profit group having a small office with one central ubuntu fileserver. All our data is stored on that. Is there some package which can index that data and make it searchable in a web-browser? Your help greatly appreciated..
[22:39] <InFlames> FastCode, yes, installed as well, installed again to double check
[22:39] <InFlames> I can see my networked drives even
[22:40] <InFlames> richttttt, what sort of problem are you having?
[22:40] <FastCode> vbox kernel modules?
[22:40] <InFlames> sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-`uname -r` ? i did that
[22:41] <FastCode> lsmod|grep vbox
[22:41] <richttttt> InFlames, the problem is the installer starts to do its job and then everything quits, I get a couple messages, just a sec I will get them for you
[22:42] <InFlames> vboxpci, vboxnetadp, vboxnetflt, vboxdrv
[22:42] <InFlames> is usb missing?
[22:42] <FastCode> have you restarted since the problem appeared?
[22:42] <InFlames> i have, i am willing to restart again however
[22:42] <FastCode> no? everything is fine
[22:42] <FastCode> there is no need to restart
[22:42] <InFlames> k
[22:43] <ixio2> during useradd its forcing me to have a password, but I dont want passwords, I use certificates?
[22:43] <InFlames> i know when you add your user to vboxusers restarting helps
[22:43] <FastCode> just stop virtualbox, rmmod the modules
[22:43] <InFlames> so i did that
[22:43] <InFlames> ok
[22:43] <FastCode> and make sure they are removed
[22:44] <Diranged> FastCode: this is really strange.. but check this out: https://gist.github.com/diranged/836c89296bec8255058c
[22:44] <InFlames> what exactly am i rmmoding?
[22:44] <InFlames> vbox*?
[22:45] <richttttt> InFlames, all I get is       *Starting Mount network filesystems         *Stopping Mount network filesystems        cpid: exiting       speech-dispatcher disabled;  edit /etc/default/speech-dispatcher
[22:45] <FastCode> rmmod vboxnetflt
[22:45] <FastCode> rmmod vboxnetadp
[22:45] <InFlames> oh ok, all of them
[22:45] <FastCode> rmmod vboxpci
[22:45] <FastCode> rmmod vboxdrv
[22:45] <FastCode> in order
[22:46] <FastCode> otherwise it raises some errors
[22:46] <FastCode> Diranged: its not strange, you just have to update tileserver or compile it from source if update is not available
[22:46] <InFlames> removed
[22:47] <FastCode> ok
[22:47] <FastCode> one question
[22:47] <Diranged> FastCode:  i have to run and hit a train right now …  but it seems odd that I can't say that my package Foo requires Nginx 0.1.5, even though 0.1.4 is in the 'stable' repo and 0.1.5 is in the 'unstable' repo
[22:47] <FastCode> tell me you don't have another hypervisor running
[22:47] <Diranged> There's got to be a way to force that..
[22:47] <Diranged> afk for an hour.. getting on the train
[22:48] <InFlames> richttttt, i am not sure i understand that error
[22:49] <bitbyte> FastCode: do you know how to get ms-sys installed ?
[22:49] <FastCode> nope
[22:49] <InFlames> richttttt, but maybe this helps? http://askubuntu.com/questions/135075/i-cant-install-ubuntu-the-error-is-speech-dispatcher-disabled
[22:49] <FastCode> I don't do ms
[22:49] <bitbyte> mmm thanks anyway :)
[22:49] <bitbyte> need to load bootlader to this usb and command not found
[22:50] <FastCode> did you update the PATH in .bashrc?
[22:51] <bitbyte> yeh i did the path command
[22:51] <bitbyte> i think its genieunely not installed
[22:51] <FastCode> what command are you trying to execute
[22:51] <FastCode> ?
[22:52] <bitbyte> ms-sys -7 /dev/sde
[22:52] <histo> bitbyte: try specifying the partition #
[22:52] <histo> bitbyte: sde is a disk sde1 is the first partition on disk sde
[22:53] <bitbyte> still comes back saying ms-sys command not found
[22:53] <FastCode> are you positive it's installed?
[22:54] <histo> bitbyte: you have to install ms-sys or whatever application you are trying to use then.
[22:54] <bitbyte> nope i don't think its actually installed but done sudo apt-get install ms-sys and nothings returned
[22:54] <InFlames> FastCode, I rmmoded and reinstalled them, do i need to restart now?
[22:55] <FastCode> InFlames: and tried again and failed?
[22:55] <InFlames> yea
[22:55] <FastCode> wierd...
[22:55] <InFlames> i tried again after installing them and it still doesn't show them
[22:55] <FastCode> weird*
[22:56] <FastCode> guys, sorry for my sloppy typing, Its 3~4 AM here, and I'm not an English speaker. I should probably hit the bed.
[22:56] <InFlames> you're doing a great job
[22:57] <creftos> Hi, I'm trying to do a wget on a very large file, and I keep getting a timeout after a around 300 seconds. I tried setting the --timeout=0, but it's still timing out. Any ideas?
[22:57] <reisio> resume?
[22:58] <jrib> creftos: can you use --continue/
[22:58] <FastCode> I'm not sure but just in case check if the vbox user has access to /dev/serial/usb/....
[22:59] <FastCode> and also check /etc/wgetrc, there might be interesting things like waitretry or retries
[23:00] <bitbyte> any one know a replacement for ms-sys
[23:00] <reisio> according to the thing I linked, lilo
[23:00] <reisio> but I'd just use ms-sys
[23:02] <FastCode> buy guys, i should be at work in like 4 hours.
[23:02] <creftos> jrib: I don't believe so, I need it to work on the first try. Don't really feel like writing a loop to continue over and over again until it's done
[23:03] <reisio> au revoir
[23:03] <jrib> creftos: well you should consider the possibility it's a server issue
[23:03] <creftos> THe time that it time-outs is pretty consistent
[23:03] <creftos> jrib: I really doubt it's a server issue
[23:03] <jrib> creftos: that doesn't rule it out.  Is this some public file?
[23:04] <jrib> creftos: try using curl and see if it happens there
[23:05] <Connor> Hey guys, question: I'm trying to upgrade  to subversion 1.8 on my box.  I'm running 10.04 LTS.. and running into some dependency issues.  I'm really not prepared to upgrade the distro.. so, I'm wondering if anyone can give me some options ?
[23:06] <jrib> Connor: is this a desktop install?
[23:06] <Connor> yes
[23:06] <jrib> Connor: 10.04 isn't supported on the desktop anymore.  You really should upgrade
[23:06] <histo> !eol | Connor
[23:07] <histo> Connor: read the eolupgrades page
[23:07] <Connor> Yes, I know.  I'm just not prepared to upgrade.  Was just hoping some other way till I am.
[23:08] <jrib> Connor: that should be your number one priority imo.
[23:08] <histo> Connor: The issues you're receiving are most likely due to this.
[23:09] <Connor> Not without a new drive to clone the current OS to.. and then upgrade the cloned copy leaving the current one alone.  It's my primary development machine.. can't afford to loose it or any time.
[23:09] <wdkevinone> brain fart. i dont usually use a DE
[23:09] <wilee-nilee> Connor, Read the eol upgrade it has a specific path to be done correctly.
[23:09] <wdkevinone> how do i get back to my DE when i switched to a term?
[23:10] <InFlames> I reenabled the modules and tried it, didn't work, restarted, didn't work
[23:10] <jrib> Connor: upgrading shouldn't be the reason you have backups; you should have those anyway.  And the release cycle is announced at release, so really this is something you should have already done.  I know you want to put it off but you need to bite the bullet and deal with it.  The sooner you do (and you have to anyway at some point) the better off you will be
[23:10] <Connor> What about the Window manager?  I'm running Awn under 10.04 and I really don't like Unity..
[23:11] <Connor> Awn is a navigator for GNOME.
[23:11] <jrib> wdkevinone: ctrl-alt-f7
[23:12] <wdkevinone> ah
[23:12] <wdkevinone> thank you
[23:12] <wdkevinone> i stopped at f5
[23:12]  * wdkevinone facepalms
[23:12] <FloodBot1> wdkevinone: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:12] <wdkevinone> o.O
[23:12] <InFlames> wdkevinone, it's asking you to type on one line, not 4
[23:13] <InFlames> i have the same habit
[23:13] <Connor> jrib: Who said I didn't make backups?  I never upgrade the existing disk.  Always buy a new HD when I'm upgrading the OS.  Keep the old one around.  That way I upgrade the hard drive..
[23:13] <wdkevinone> bad habits are hard to break. been typing that way on irc for 18 years.
[23:13] <jrib> wdkevinone: it's problematic with large channels
[23:14] <wdkevinone> i can understand that
[23:14] <InFlames> i don't think it's ever been acceptable irc etiquette to type that way....
[23:16] <Jordan_U> Connor: It looks like AWN is a dead project.
[23:16] <Connor> Yea. I know.
[23:17] <Connor> I'm guessing if I do a inplace upgrade.. it'll stick unity on my desktop..
[23:17] <Connor> I'll have to redo my theme and my custom fonts.. etc etc.
[23:17] <Jordan_U> Connor: That said, it is available in Ubuntu 12.04 LTS.
[23:17] <jrib> Connor: you can install whatever wm you want (just like you did on 10.04)
[23:18] <Connor> Yea. I would do 12.04 LTS.. I won't install anything but LTS versions ..
[23:18] <Connor> But, it runs under GNOME
[23:18] <holstein> Connor: 12.04 is the *only* supported lts desktop
[23:19] <Jordan_U> Connor: It also runs under XFCE, and probably runs under GNOME3 and Unity as well, though I haven't explicitly checked (and you can use any of those Desktop Environments, and many more, if you want).
[23:20] <MistaMike> liam
[23:20] <MistaMike> ..
[23:20] <Connor> now the only question is.. will I have any issues with VMware (7.1.6)
[23:21] <holstein> Connor: vmware is not in the repos.. you should ask the maintainers of vmware
[23:21]  * Liam- pokes MistaMike
[23:21]  * MistaMike fan girls 
[23:27] <wilee-nilee> Connor, #VMware
[23:28] <FlashSoul> Hello. I'm having trouble with my Ubuntu. After a bit, it freezes on the splash screen. If I Ctrl-Alt-F1 before it freezes, I'm granted a blank screen (with an error message "ata_id(237): HDIO_GET_IDENTITY failed for '/dev/sdb' : Invalid argument" if my external hdd is plugged in) but I can't type anything; it's frozen there too. What are my options? Thanks.
[23:28] <ixio2> am I right in thinking that you can make changes to "something" so that different users, all using the ssh protocol can/cant access SSH/SCP/SFTP ?
[23:28] <holstein> FlashSoul: i would try booting an older kernel and test
[23:29] <FlashSoul> Hi. How would I do that?
[23:29] <holstein> FlashSoul: you can choose it from boot.. from grub..
[23:29] <FlashSoul> It's not a dual boot system btw
[23:29] <holstein> FlashSoul: thats fine. im talking about the linux kernel
[23:30] <FlashSoul> I wasn't aware grub was there. It never appears... it goes directly from BIOS to Ubuntu. How to I get it to appear?
[23:30] <holstein> FlashSoul: you have access to the internet?
[23:30] <holstein> !grub
[23:31] <holstein> FlashSoul: typically, the easy way is by tapping shift at boot.. but, this is a troubleshooting step, friend.. not a fix.. so if its out of your confort zone, dont worry about it
[23:31] <FlashSoul> Thanks. I'll see what I can do with that. I hope using an older kernel will help.
[23:32] <holstein> FlashSoul: what else can you do? try making a new user and see if the new user does the same behavior
[23:32] <holstein> FlashSoul: you can look for logs that might share error information.. you can remove devices and test.. you can test with a live CD.. the live CD you installed with
[23:33] <FlashSoul> I'm aware my external HDD seems to be causing a problem. If I unplug it before booting then I don't have the error message I pasted earlier, but it still freezes.
[23:34] <holstein> FlashSoul: then, leave it unplugged, and troubleshoot the freezing, since its obviously not causing it
[23:42] <wow050> Hey guys. Whats the default admin password because my user password isnt work?
[23:43] <daftykins> there isn't a password for the 'root' account
[23:43] <daftykins> you have to be able to log into your normal account to use 'sudo' to do things as root
[23:44] <wow050> Well when I try to install this program it brings up a pop-up that asks for my admin password but my user password doesnt work.
[23:44] <daftykins> are you the only user on the system?
[23:44] <wow050> Yep.
[23:44] <daftykins> what version are you running?
[23:44] <wow050> 13.04
[23:44] <daftykins> sure you've not got caps lock on by accident or something?
[23:44] <wow050> Yeah
[23:44] <daftykins> is it a laptop?
[23:45] <wow050> Yep
[23:45] <daftykins> num lock could be accidentally on too
[23:45] <wow050> ok
[23:45] <daftykins> making some of the keys into a number pad instead
[23:45] <InFlames> anyone ever got a drobo to read via linux?
[23:45] <daftykins> if you log in with your user's password and it works, that'd be really odd
[23:45] <InFlames> i have never got it to work
[23:45] <jrib> wow050: what is the output of "groups"?
[23:45] <daftykins> InFlames: maybe it's down to enabling the appropriate protocols on the unit?
[23:46] <InFlames> dafty, it's usb 2.0
[23:46] <InFlames> i can see the drobo, i just can't read the data
[23:46] <daftykins> oh
[23:46] <InFlames> it's hfs+, but i can read any other hfs+ drive
[23:46] <wow050> daftykins So when it prompts me for a passsword i should just press ok?
[23:46] <InFlames> i am migrating off of it, because it's a nightmare
[23:46] <daftykins> ah mac style
[23:46] <InFlames> i am so done with proprietary software and hardware ;/
[23:47] <daftykins> wow050: try what jrib said
[23:49] <wow050> Typing groups in terminal lists the following (Just as a note Waltsidney is my username): waltsidney adm cdrom sudo dip plugdev lpadmin sambashare vboxusers
[23:49] <jrib> wow050: what is the result of "sudo echo hi" in a terminal?
[23:49] <wow050> It says Hi
[23:50] <jrib> wow050: what exactly are you doing in the gui?
[23:50] <wow050> jrib: Im trying to install a program which prompts me for an adminastration password
[23:50] <jrib> wow050: what *exactly* are you doing in the gui?
[23:51] <daftykins> he means "what program is this in?"
[23:51] <wow050> jrib: I am trying to install an extension pack for VirtualBox
[23:51] <jrib> wow050: what *exactly* are you doing in the gui?
[23:51] <jrib> wow050: say how.
[23:52] <wow050> jrib: I donwloaded it as a file from their site, I open it and it opens up in VirtualBox, than I press install and up comes a popup for an adminstrative password
[23:52] <daftykins> was it a .deb ?
[23:52] <wow050> daftykins: No.
[23:54] <magesing> Hi everyone, I need to install vim with ruby support... the version of vim that came with ubuntu server dosen't have it compiled in... what do I need to install to get ruby support?
[23:54] <magesing> Please tell me I don't need to build it from source
[23:54] <jrib> magesing: you probably want vim-nox
[23:54] <wow050> jrib: Any ideas?
[23:54] <magesing> jrib: thanks
[23:55] <jrib> wow050: see if you can install a package in software manager
[23:55] <jrib> magesing: I assume you're not using a gui
[23:56] <DarkPlayer> Hello, i want to build an ubuntu package which has a dependency which must be exactly met or the version number must be higher. The version string is like 1.7.0~precise1 . It must be either exactly this version (with revision 1) or higher. I tried to use (>= 1.7.0-1) but this does not work. Any ideas?
[23:56] <jrib> DarkPlayer: try #ubuntu-packaging
[23:56] <DarkPlayer> thx
[23:58] <wow050> jrib: I can install something from the Software Center.
[23:59] <jrib> wow050: that means you are able to act as administrator.  I don't know about these vbox extensions