| OvenWerks | smartboyhw: -installer is all fixed up. | 03:19 |
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| smartboyhw | OvenWerks, i.e./ | 03:19 |
| smartboyhw | ？ | 03:19 |
| OvenWerks | both in the branch and my ppa | 03:19 |
| OvenWerks | all gui now | 03:20 |
| smartboyhw | OvenWerks, oh great:) | 03:20 |
| smartboyhw | We can release it soon enough, just needs the power of micahg and another MOTU | 03:20 |
| OvenWerks | micah has already checked it, just waiting for second review. | 03:20 |
| smartboyhw | OvenWerks, ask in #ubuntu-motu might be a better idea. | 03:21 |
| OvenWerks | The needs packaging bug is still undecided, maybe it should be something more. | 03:22 |
| astraljava | xequence: Yeah, progress is nice. Been standing still for way too long. And thanks! | 06:12 |
| TheDrums | astraljava: Hello! | 06:18 |
| xequence | OvenWerks: what's the bug number? | 06:20 |
| astraljava | TheDrums: Hi! | 06:23 |
| xequence | OvenWerks: I asked for a reviewer on #ubuntu-motu, but if no one answers, I'll post to the ubuntu-motu mail list | 06:51 |
| smartboyhw | cub, welcome back:) | 07:44 |
| cub | thanks smartboyhw, it was difficult today. :P | 07:44 |
| smartboyhw | cub, why? | 07:44 |
| cub | Symantec antivirus had crapped up my work mac | 07:44 |
| cub | 1,5 later of reinstalling apps | 07:44 |
| smartboyhw | cub, hah | 07:45 |
| cub | had to change irc client even | 07:45 |
| cub | even after reinstalling and so on xchat remained broken *sigh* | 07:45 |
| cub | LimeChat to the rescue. Horrible fonts though..:D | 07:47 |
| cub | Still summer holiday, smartboyhw? | 07:48 |
| smartboyhw | cub, yes | 07:56 |
| smartboyhw | Until 1st September | 07:56 |
| smartboyhw | I will start school at 2nd | 07:57 |
| smartboyhw | Welcome xequence :) | 12:27 |
| xequence | smartboyhw: Thanks. I'm back att debconf. | 12:29 |
| xequence | We just took a group photo. The photographer stood on a hill, put the camera on, and then ran slowly down 50m to be in the photo himself | 12:29 |
| smartboyhw | ：O | 12:32 |
| xequence | good thing he didn't trip | 12:36 |
| smartboyhw | lol | 12:36 |
| smartboyhw | xequence, damn I forgotten, for 12.04.3 we should have a -lts-raring kernel ready:( | 15:06 |
| smartboyhw | I did say that before:( | 15:06 |
| xequence | smartboyhw: not your job to remember | 15:06 |
| xequence | so its ok | 15:06 |
| smartboyhw | xequence, we can have it for 12.04.4 I think (sigh) | 15:07 |
| xequence | I haven't yet looked at how that works | 15:07 |
| smartboyhw | xequence, alright, since you are the kernel maintenace guy, check it out someday:) | 15:08 |
| xequence | smartboyhw: I just asked about it on the kernel channel | 15:08 |
| smartboyhw | xequence, sure:) | 15:08 |
| xequence | smartboyhw: We don't have planning for the LTS at all. Thats a bit of a problem | 15:08 |
| smartboyhw | xequence, +1 | 15:09 |
| OvenWerks | micahg: re: your remark about polkit, there is already a policy in place for apt. Also there seems to be a default policy in place as I can run pkexec cat file. | 16:26 |
| OvenWerks | micahg: if I was to set up a policy, it would have to be for apt-get, but I am not sure that is not already covered by org.debian.apt.install-or-remove-packages for example | 16:27 |
| OvenWerks | micahg: in fact setting up a policy for apt-get may break policy already in place | 16:29 |
| micahg | OvenWerks: ok, so it prompts for the superuser password? | 16:29 |
| micahg | not root? | 16:30 |
| OvenWerks | yes | 16:30 |
| micahg | sorry, current admin user | 16:30 |
| micahg | ok, great | 16:30 |
| OvenWerks | if I am logged in as a non-admin user it asked for the passwored of the admin user | 16:30 |
| micahg | great | 16:31 |
| * OvenWerks tested this on my wife's machine | 16:31 | |
| micahg | and as an admin user, one's own password? | 16:31 |
| OvenWerks | yes | 16:31 |
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| scott-work | zequence: you might consider applying for this: https://plus.google.com/u/0/116317370665849559569/posts/gEUnW2jsB3B | 18:09 |
| xequence | scott-work: Hey man :) | 18:17 |
| xequence | Someone just wishing for you to appear the other day | 18:17 |
| xequence | Well, all of us of course | 18:17 |
| xequence | but, I think it was smartboyhw - he's probably asleep right now | 18:17 |
| xequence | scott-work: That's not a bad idea, but unfortunately I haven't yet contributed to kernel code at all, so without reading I'm not sure if that applies to me | 18:18 |
| xequence | I would like to do that in the future though | 18:18 |
| xequence | scott-work: I'm at debconf at the moment, btw | 18:18 |
| xequence | in Switzerland | 18:19 |
| xequence | Joined the Debian Multimedia Team in May I think it was | 18:19 |
| xequence | There will be a meeting about a Debian blend for Multimedia, and since I'm most likely the only attending, plus the experience from US, I'm going to see if i can take a leading role in that | 18:20 |
| xequence | try to see about harmonizing Debian/Ubuntu a bit on the multimedia side of things | 18:21 |
| xequence | scott-work: How's things going for you. You said you were going to do some studying | 18:23 |
| xequence | astraljava is doing some of that as well, as it seems | 18:24 |
| xequence | time to leave for home - I'm again not saying at the camp, and have the luck of having a relative living nearby, in this case my sis, so going there over night. bb online in a few | 18:32 |
| madeinkobaia | Hi all : ) | 18:49 |
| OvenWerks | madeinkobaia: Hello :) | 19:12 |
| madeinkobaia | OvenWerks: Hi mate :) | 19:12 |
| madeinkobaia | OvenWerks: Was fighting with gnome 3 those last days, what a hell ! | 19:13 |
| OvenWerks | icons I would like to get names finalized even if the art is not | 19:13 |
| madeinkobaia | OvenWerks: What do you mean ? | 19:14 |
| OvenWerks | I'll also pass this by zequence | 19:14 |
| OvenWerks | right now they are using the standard names | 19:15 |
| OvenWerks | like applications-audio.png | 19:16 |
| madeinkobaia | I think I missed a part of the conversation...not sure to understand, I should take a look on dev-list mail... | 19:16 |
| OvenWerks | but what that means is that other icon themes override ours | 19:16 |
| OvenWerks | we were going to change them so they are unique | 19:17 |
| madeinkobaia | ok | 19:17 |
| OvenWerks | I think we are just going to take the applications and change that to ubuntustudio | 19:17 |
| OvenWerks | The main thing for you, I would guess, is that you know both names are talking about the same thing. | 19:18 |
| OvenWerks | I need to change all the *.desktop files to match. and so I would like to start on that soon as I can | 19:19 |
| OvenWerks | Also, it looks like the package they will end up in will be ubuntustudio-menu rather than ubuntustudio-icon-theme. | 19:20 |
| madeinkobaia | Ok I will check all that. Now I think I will be highly busy those next weeks too. | 19:22 |
| OvenWerks | Life comes first. | 19:23 |
| OvenWerks | I hope it's a good busy :) | 19:23 |
| madeinkobaia | A great one :D | 19:23 |
| OvenWerks | Great! good to hear. | 19:24 |
| OvenWerks | I'm off work till sometime in sept. | 19:24 |
| madeinkobaia | Otherwise do you know who did the actual ubuntu studio desktop theme ? | 19:25 |
| madeinkobaia | It was grounded on a gtk 2 theme I guess | 19:26 |
| OvenWerks | Theme? We generally have been using what xubuntu has. | 19:26 |
| OvenWerks | we add our own BG and menu | 19:26 |
| madeinkobaia | Ok, I will start work on our new theme for the 14.04 soon. | 19:27 |
| OvenWerks | I liked it last release, but am not liking the newer one | 19:27 |
| OvenWerks | I like the whole bar of the window with focus to change, just changing the colour of the text (grey to black) does not make it obvious enough which window I should be looking at :) | 19:29 |
| madeinkobaia | Ok | 19:29 |
| OvenWerks | Just my pet peave with most new themes... others may not agree | 19:30 |
| OvenWerks | cub: hello. | 19:30 |
| madeinkobaia | cub: Hi | 19:30 |
| madeinkobaia | Bbl | 19:30 |
| cub | Hello OvenWerks and madeinkobaia | 19:31 |
| OvenWerks | cub: in #xubuntu-devel "< texadactyl> Len, Mir could be safely released if LightDM was changed slightly to decide whether or not to launch Mir based on a lightdm.conf (new) parameter (switch). By default, it should probably be off. | 19:32 |
| OvenWerks | does that make sense to you? | 19:33 |
| cub | it would force the system to go to the fallback xorg? | 19:33 |
| cub | even if the HW would be able to run mir, no? | 19:33 |
| OvenWerks | I am thinking with a clear switch that having xmir on an ISO by default would be ok. | 19:34 |
| OvenWerks | Ya, apparently there is a config option that can be set on or not. | 19:34 |
| cub | I'm not sure I follow. You mean that the ISO would have the switch on to load xmir? | 19:35 |
| cub | or the other way around? | 19:35 |
| OvenWerks | texadactyl's comment seems to indicate off by default. | 19:36 |
| cub | yes | 19:37 |
| OvenWerks | That config file is unique to the flavour though, so it would be a flavour's choice. | 19:37 |
| OvenWerks | s/would/could | 19:38 |
| cub | exactly | 19:38 |
| OvenWerks | it would allow easy continued testing without having to keep a separate partition or drive. | 19:39 |
| cub | though if everyone could change to mir if they wanted to after boot that would be fine. Not to mess up too much for the users | 19:39 |
| cub | exactly | 19:39 |
| cub | win-win | 19:39 |
| OvenWerks | I think it still requires a reboot... but I could be wrong. | 19:39 |
| cub | hmm I don't know. Hopefully it would do with a log off/on but I'm just wishing | 19:40 |
| OvenWerks | lightdm is started by upstart... really it should be possible to just change run levels... shh, don't tell the upstart/systemd guys I said that word ;) | 19:41 |
| cub | tvoss_texadactyl, so are you happy with commenting out type=unity in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/10-unity-system-compositor.conf? | 19:42 |
| cub | One reboot for each test until 14.04, I could live with that. =) | 19:43 |
| OvenWerks | With two run levels lightdm could be run with a different config file for each. | 19:43 |
| cub | woudl that require much more resources from the pc? | 19:44 |
| OvenWerks | run levels? no. | 19:47 |
| OvenWerks | just checked and lightdm does not seem to have a respawn tag | 19:47 |
| OvenWerks | otherwise one could just kill it and it would restart | 19:48 |
| OvenWerks | Stock ubuntu/debian has runlevel 2-5 all the same right now. | 19:49 |
| OvenWerks | lightdm for example is set "stop on runlevel [016]" | 19:50 |
| cub | ok | 19:50 |
| OvenWerks | (from the upstart config file) | 19:50 |
| cub | On another note, I have totally missed that 12.04.3 is released soon. Is there anything we need to be on top for that, or is everyone already on top of it (except me)? | 19:52 |
| OvenWerks | It seems we missed it anyway. | 19:52 |
| OvenWerks | maybe a new kernel. but that is not a big DL | 19:53 |
| cub | I'm struggling with my laptop to shrink the win-partition to make room for a new test partition to run saucy | 20:15 |
| cub | after 1073 steps, it will let me shrink it 26 MB. Yay. | 20:16 |
| cub | it's getting late over here, so g'nite folks! | 20:31 |
| OvenWerks | xequence: what are the chances of adding a ubuntustudio-audio.preinst to our meta package? | 20:50 |
| xequence | OvenWerks: What sort of thing did you have in mind? | 21:08 |
| OvenWerks | debconf-set-selections jackd/tweak_rt_limits boolean true | 21:09 |
| OvenWerks | Not quite right, but close. | 21:09 |
| xequence | you mean that will say yes to installing the audio.conf file by default? | 21:10 |
| OvenWerks | The question is, does it affect things with a generic kernel? | 21:10 |
| xequence | realtime privilege is not kernel specific at all | 21:10 |
| OvenWerks | If a user is installing our audio meta on another flavour it should just work...] | 21:11 |
| xequence | They still need to add themselves to audio group | 21:11 |
| OvenWerks | :) Thats another problem for another day :) | 21:11 |
| xequence | it would be better actually to add a patch explaining this while installing jackd | 21:11 |
| xequence | the patch would just add some text - answer yes, then add yourself to audio group | 21:12 |
| xequence | ubuntustudio-controls will be administrating realtime privilege | 21:12 |
| xequence | I was working on that part today | 21:12 |
| OvenWerks | Ok | 21:13 |
| xequence | I used to have a script with it that checked the system at boot as well | 21:13 |
| xequence | and notified if something was not right | 21:13 |
| OvenWerks | That was the two things I ran across while installing our stuff on top of stock fresh xubuntu | 21:13 |
| xequence | like realitme privilege - then tell the user to use -controls | 21:13 |
| xequence | the reason why it's like this is cause Debian has users in audio group | 21:14 |
| xequence | so, installing jackd is enough to get rt privilege | 21:14 |
| xequence | and we only sync, we don't change | 21:14 |
| xequence | in reality, we should have created a new group | 21:14 |
| xequence | but, what I'm hearing is that devs dont want that | 21:14 |
| xequence | they'd rather quit using groups all together | 21:14 |
| xequence | and another solution is rt-kit | 21:15 |
| OvenWerks | Our preseed file suggests using polkit | 21:15 |
| OvenWerks | "jack is not PolicyKit aware yet" | 21:15 |
| xequence | I don't know the details. All I know is we need to fix this before 14.04 | 21:16 |
| OvenWerks | The thing is we don't want root access. | 21:16 |
| OvenWerks | polkit may allow group access though. | 21:16 |
| OvenWerks | we could add a policykit action in our settings though. | 21:16 |
| xequence | HOw would that work? | 21:17 |
| OvenWerks | Not sure. | 21:17 |
| OvenWerks | normally things that use polkit that are not polkit aware have to be run pkexec appname | 21:18 |
| OvenWerks | That would be dbus painful. | 21:18 |
| xequence | For now, -controls will be an indicator app with a menu. Two lauchers - system settings (individual app, called ubuntustudio-system-settings), and ubuntustudio-installer, and maybe "exit". | 21:18 |
| xequence | We should look through all the possibilies for that next cycle, choose one that works, and push for it | 21:19 |
| OvenWerks | That will work. | 21:19 |
| xequence | about realtime privilege, my last comment | 21:20 |
| xequence | I'll want for Debian and Ubuntu to use the same system too | 21:20 |
| OvenWerks | That would be best I agree | 21:20 |
| OvenWerks | even better if we can make jackd devs happy too. | 21:21 |
| xequence | mm :P | 21:21 |
| xequence | seems like there's one jack for every jack dev these days | 21:21 |
| OvenWerks | LOL | 21:22 |
| xequence | would be good to get them to agree too, yes | 21:22 |
| OvenWerks | I would think we only need to worry about jackd2 though | 21:24 |
| OvenWerks | I don't think jackd1 does dbus. | 21:24 |
| xequence | no, it doesn't | 21:24 |
| OvenWerks | we don't ship it anyway. (he said dissmissively) | 21:25 |
| xequence | jackd1 can have the old way. both don't need to use the same system for rt | 21:28 |
| OvenWerks | on another topic, our iso is not building again. | 21:29 |
| OvenWerks | the libav-extras agian. | 21:30 |
| OvenWerks | cups-filters : Conflicts: ghostscript-cups I can't figure, one is a dep of the other | 21:31 |
| xequence | HOw is that related to libav? | 21:32 |
| OvenWerks | Its the odd one out | 21:32 |
| OvenWerks | The rest are libav | 21:33 |
| xequence | seems like -extra packages confilct with non extra packages | 21:40 |
| xequence | OvenWerks: I think there are newer versions in -proposed | 21:42 |
| xequence | let me check | 21:43 |
| xequence | OvenWerks: Yep, newer libav is in -proposed | 21:46 |
| micahg | if no one beats me to it, I'll upload a new libav-extra tonright | 21:47 |
| micahg | *tonight | 21:47 |
| OvenWerks | micahg: thanks, Anything I need to do for installer? | 21:53 |
| micahg | no, I think I'm good now, just close the needs packaging bug in the changelog if it's not done already | 21:54 |
| OvenWerks | Ok, should I set it to saucy as well or do you do that? | 21:54 |
| OvenWerks | micahg: ^^ | 21:55 |
| micahg | nah, let me do that after I test it one more time | 21:55 |
| micahg | that part is just something to keep in mind when you get upload rights :) | 21:56 |
| micahg | or making debdiffs | 21:56 |
| xequence | micahg: I'm about to totally rewrite code for a package - ubuntustudio-controls. Since it's a total rewrite, I'm thinking I just change it with one commit. Any thoughts? | 21:57 |
| micahg | xequence: well, if it's total, sure | 21:58 |
| micahg | if there are logical pieces to it, I would suggest doing those as individual commits | 21:59 |
| xequence | micahg: there will be two individual applications, each with their own desktop file | 22:00 |
| xequence | most of it will be python/GTK | 22:01 |
| micahg | xequence: I'd wipe out the old stuff and add each application with its contents separately if it's not too much work | 22:02 |
| OvenWerks | micahg: bugfix changelog entry commited and pushed | 22:03 |
| xequence | micahg: ok | 22:04 |
| OvenWerks | micahg: original bug marked fix commited. I guess the rellease will auto close the bug. | 22:05 |
| micahg | yeah | 22:05 |
| OvenWerks | xequence: icon names. Our desktop menu icons are all applications-category.png, can I rename the bunch in -menu (bad as they are) to ubuntustudio-*.*? | 22:12 |
| OvenWerks | That way I can work on fixing the desktop files. | 22:12 |
| OvenWerks | and directory files | 22:13 |
| OvenWerks | Then I can get -menu released in time for FF. | 22:15 |
| OvenWerks | Artwork freeze is later | 22:16 |
| OvenWerks | After that I have to redo settings to use all this stuff. | 22:16 |
| xequence | OvenWerks: Sure. | 22:37 |
| OvenWerks | xequence: I will work on that next | 22:41 |
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