[08:13] <DanChapman> morning all
[08:19] <Noskcaj> hey DanChapman
[08:49] <Daviey> jibel not around today?
[08:49] <DanChapman> Daviey, he is on leave this week i believe
[08:51] <Daviey> DanChapman: Happen to know who can retry jenkins jobs?
[08:52] <DanChapman> Daviey, the only other person i know is pitti, but i think he is on leave as well. gema_ might know someone who can??
[08:54] <Daviey> DanChapman: thanks
[08:54] <jamespage> Daviey, I can do that - which one
[08:54] <jamespage> ?
[08:56] <Daviey> jamespage: Well.. I wanted to check a few of these.. https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/DKMS/view/Precise%20Proposed%20-generic-lts-raring/ .. I cannot believe the world is suddenly that bad
[08:57] <Daviey> jamespage: I did see one that failed due to waiting for the worker, or similar message.. and assumed there was a hiccup in the infra.
[08:58] <jamespage> Daviey, OK - I poked iscsitarget - I know that fails anyway but it atleast checks stuff is running oK
[09:53] <slickymaster> good morning all
[09:53] <DanChapman> morning slickymaster
[09:53] <slickymaster> DanChapman, hi, Dan
[11:46] <slickymaster> knome, ping
[15:01] <smartboyhw> SergioMeneses, hey
[15:05] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw, \o how are you?
[15:05] <smartboyhw> SergioMeneses, great:)
[15:06] <smartboyhw> SergioMeneses, you managed to contact Zanchetta?
[15:07] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw, not yet, sorry I'm going to send email to him soon ;)
[15:07] <smartboyhw> SergioMeneses, cheers:)
[15:07] <smartboyhw> balloons, wake up man
[15:07] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw, \o/
[15:07] <SergioMeneses> wake up?
[15:07] <smartboyhw> SergioMeneses, tell balloons to wake up:P
[15:07] <SergioMeneses> balloons, has the same tz than I
[15:07] <smartboyhw> SergioMeneses, I know
[15:08] <smartboyhw> But, he doesn't seem to wake up as early as you:P
[15:08] <smartboyhw> Lazy guy
[15:08] <smartboyhw> ;P
[15:09] <SergioMeneses> jajajaja
[15:09] <SergioMeneses> "lazy"
[15:55] <balloons> phillw, elfy took me an extra day but I'm merging all the manual tests and doing a sync up
[16:04] <phillw> balloons: many thanks :)
[16:07] <DanChapman> afternoon balloons
[16:07] <balloons> afternoon DanChapman
[16:08] <balloons> DanChapman, anything you need? did you get a chance to share with the autopilot folks on the emulator idea?
[16:09] <DanChapman> balloons, I havn't spoke to them yet I was gonna wait till later for thomi to appear.
[16:10] <balloons> DanChapman, ahh.. well thomi of coursewill be waking up to Saturday, so I don't think we'll be seeing him this evening
[16:10] <balloons> we could just send along a mail to the autopilot list
[16:14] <DanChapman> lol oh yeah!! well I was mulling on it last night and think that maybe just creating an emulator for each app shouldn't actualy be to taxing in that with most it will just be a case of changing the class name. I will get a mail message together and send it to the list
[16:15] <balloons> :-) Sometimes I forget the simple things too. I'm just wondering which approach they would advocate for
[16:17] <balloons> phillw, will blueman appear even if you don't have bluetooth hardware?
[16:19] <phillw> balloons: I've never tried... I have bluetooth on my system.
[16:28] <balloons> phillw, so, since your about, you want to add these to lubuntu in the packages tracker/
[16:46] <phillw> balloons: yup, I'll add them now and email the L-QA people :)
[16:51] <phillw> I've also added blueman and live persistance as optional tests.
[17:08] <elfy> balloons: thanks boss :p
[17:10] <balloons> ok I think everyone is pushed to the tracker and source
[17:10] <balloons> ty gentlmen
[18:57] <Letozaf_> balloons, Hi
[18:57] <balloons> Letozaf_, hello
[18:57] <balloons> your change landed I see, but had some trouble in the lab
[18:57] <Letozaf_> balloons, you mean the calendar app one ?
[18:57] <balloons> yea
[18:59] <Letozaf_> balloons, :( can I help some way ?
[19:00] <balloons> Letozaf_, http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/image/3564/calendar-app-autopilot/271094/
[19:00] <balloons> have a look and see what you think
[19:00] <balloons> no video sadly for the failure
[19:02] <Letozaf_> balloons, thats a weired error
[19:02] <Letozaf_> balloons, I mean the string is the one I input, so that error is quite strange
[19:03] <balloons> right, so something is failing in there.. could you add more asserts to ensure things are working?
[19:03] <Letozaf_> balloons, sure , mean while I fixed (well sort of fixed) the add feed test for the rssreader app
[19:04] <Letozaf_> balloons, it needs to be reviewed by you if you got time, there are a couple of "problems"
[19:05] <Letozaf_> balloons, I will now check that calendar app error and add more asserts
[19:07] <Letozaf_> balloons, well just to make things "easier" the add new event test works fine on my box :p
[19:07] <Letozaf_> balloons, anyway I will add some more asserts
[19:08] <balloons> Letozaf_, ohh nice.. the rss reader test is having trouble with the OSK, but improvement are always desired
[19:09] <balloons> I think they need to change some code in the app, as omer pointed out on the bug report
[19:11] <Letozaf_> balloons, anyway if you want here are the improvements I made: https://code.launchpad.net/~carla-sella/ubuntu-rssreader-app/view-feeds-test
[19:12]  * Letozaf_ is looking at the calendar-app error
[19:21] <Letozaf_> balloons, I added a couple of asserts and added lambda too to all the asserts, on my box the test works fine, if you want I will push it so you can try it where it fails
[19:23] <Letozaf_> balloons, https://code.launchpad.net/~carla-sella/ubuntu-calendar-app/calendar-app
[19:26] <balloons> Letozaf_, go for it.. OsoMon definitely reviewed your last one closely. -) I learned some things too, lol
[19:27] <Letozaf_> balloons, yes true, but in a sort of a way I like it, I also learned a lot :p
[19:28] <Letozaf_> balloons, I mean that you learn to code correctly and be precise :)
[19:29] <balloons> Letozaf_, yes, exactly. I too appreciated it
[19:30] <balloons> I can always improve :-)
[19:30] <Letozaf_> balloons, I think we never finish learning, thats a nice thing on open source, you learn from each other
[19:33] <balloons> I 100% agree Letozaf_
[19:33] <Letozaf_> balloons, :D
[19:33] <balloons> it is the power of open source.. we can write software that none of us could accomplish alone
[19:34] <Letozaf_> balloons, true
[19:40] <Letozaf_> balloons, I fixed another couple of little things on the calendar app, but you can get it now and try it to see if it works
[19:45] <balloons> Letozaf_, ok, was finishing a blog post :-) I'll check it out now
[19:46] <Letozaf_> balloons, :) no problem I just added two changes the last minute and wasn't sure you were going to get them
[20:09] <fginther> balloons, FYI, the jenkins report issue where it wasn't including the generic-mediumtests results is fixed
[20:09] <balloons> ohh sweetness
[20:16] <balloons> so Letozaf_ sorry, I realize I didn't type my result back :-) I get an error on importing a module
[20:17] <balloons>   File "/home/autopilot/calendar-app/tests/autopilot/calendar_app/tests/test_monthview.py", line 20, in <module>
[20:17] <balloons>     from dateutil.relativedelta import relativedelta ImportError: No module named dateutil.relativedelta
[20:17] <Letozaf_> balloons, oh! so what should we do to fix this ?
[20:18] <balloons> wild.. it's my b
[20:21] <balloons> Letozaf_, ahh it does work. i think I know why it's failing in the lab though
[20:22] <balloons> let's look at the code, but I'd guess those timebox animations are running longer in the lab and thus it can't select or misses selecting the input box
[20:22] <balloons> we can loop around it or detect the animations and wait for them to end
[20:24] <Letozaf_> balloons, oh! fine, but how do I see those animations, on a desktop they are not there
[20:26] <balloons> Letozaf_, well, let me give you some examples
[20:28] <balloons> Letozaf_, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5994078/
[20:30]  * Letozaf_ is reading
[20:32] <Letozaf_> balloons, oh! think  I understood :)
[20:33] <Letozaf_> balloons, but does this have to be done only for the location field or for all the fields of the new event
[20:33] <Letozaf_> balloons, component
[20:33] <balloons> Letozaf_, lol, you see the poor coding in the weather app..
[20:33] <balloons> haha, that was me
[20:34] <balloons> but yes, the loop is the key.
[20:34] <balloons> make sure you have a timeout as well.. actually, this could use improvement. the timeout should be passed in and default to 10, 20, 30 whaetever you want as a sane default
[20:34] <Letozaf_> balloons, well you code better than me anyway :p
[20:35] <balloons> it's easy to see mistakes even in your own code, given enough time
[20:35] <balloons> anyways  ihope that helps
[20:37] <Letozaf_> balloons, yes let me try this on the location field, let's see if I get it right
[20:39] <balloons> Letozaf_, the ideal way is to actually look at the animation bits.. as I said, that's something to ask omer26 abot
[20:40] <Letozaf_> balloons, but do I "see" these animations on a desktop ? maybe if I just ask omer26 he will explain this to me ?
[20:41] <balloons> Letozaf_, the animations are objects too.. notice the call in the first example
[20:41] <Letozaf_> balloons, maybe you mean look at them in the qml
[20:41] <balloons> yes, exactly. there may or may not be qml objects for the animations
[20:41] <balloons> I mean, there definitely should be, lol, but I guess determining them may or may not be easy.. I'm not sure what the best way to do that is
[20:41] <Letozaf_> balloons, yes I think I saw one in the rssreader app when you refresh for example
[21:58] <phillw> knome: ping (non-urgent)
[21:59] <knome> phillw, yup?
[22:07] <phillw> knome: is it elfy who has written up the gnumeric and abiword tests cases for xubuntu?
[22:07] <SergioMeneses> xfburn testcase will be ready this weekend
[22:07] <SergioMeneses> philipballew, knome \o
[22:07] <SergioMeneses> phillw, \o
[22:08] <SergioMeneses> tab trap
[22:08] <knome> phillw, possibly, i'm not aware of the details. how so?
[22:09] <phillw> knome: Lance, one of our testers has commented << could we also copy Xubuntu's test cases for 'abiword' and 'gnumeric'? Their testcases for those packages are not perfect (I'd like to see an addition regarding multiple pages) but they are much better than nothing ;^) >>
[22:10] <knome> phillw, sure! the testcases are in the tracker - by all means use them in your own testsuites!
[22:10] <knome> phillw, same goes without saying to any other testcases we've submitted
[22:11] <phillw> knome: I have :P the tester is asking if they could be extended to include multiple pages.
[22:11] <phillw> SergioMeneses: that sounds good :)
[22:13] <knome> phillw, sure. if you are going to do that, i'd say do it in a branch and try to split it in a meaningful way
[22:13] <knome> phillw, and feel free to say to set me as the merge proposal reviewer.
[22:14] <phillw> knome: I'm not yet upto speed on the system... things in RL have been a bit hectic.
[22:16] <phillw> But, I will pull pull the testcase down in RAW format and have a 'play' with it next week. (got a 2nd stage job interview next week for repairing laptops, 2 hour bench test to prove I can safely diagnose faults, pull the machine to bits if needed and then put it all back together :P )
[22:16] <knome> phillw, i'm fine if you put it in a pad or something that's relatively easy to copy over as well
[22:16] <knome> good luck with the intervie
[22:17] <phillw> 10 GBP / hour is not to be ignored :)
[22:18] <knome> that's not bad... though good luck finding an entrepreneur on the business to even think about moving their body parts around with that rate ;)
[22:18] <phillw> 4 days on (longish days) and 4 days off, is a dream job... allows me to still dedicate time to F/oss
[22:18]  * knome looks around to see if there are any in his past-midnight kitchen office
[22:20] <phillw> there's nothing quite like the feel of a hard day when you finally clean your arms of the detrious that was old thermal paste :P
[22:20] <knome> ugh.
[22:21] <knome> there's nothing like making the home office after having fought with the toothbrush and other home appliances for an hour ;)
[22:21] <knome> short way to work, but takes longer than actually leaving the house and going somewhere ;)
[22:22] <knome> i always feel so slimy when my friends whine about hard work - i've done one *night* of real work, otherwise i've always been an entrepreneur
[22:22] <phillw> I know, I was a relief / holding public house manager for over 10 years.... fall down the stairs in the moring, smile and you're at work :D
[22:22] <knome> lol
[22:23] <knome> oh the joys of having a one-floor home, no falling down the stairs, the head only falls the height of yourself
[22:23] <knome> ;)
[22:27] <phillw> each to what they enjoy, I do actually enjoy 'kit', I was going to go info electronics as a career, then computers happened!
[22:29] <phillw> But... and there is awlays a but... I've to pass the bench test 1st! As long as they do not ask me, in one hour, to replace the tcrt backlight in the screen of a laptop, I'm confident.. Only ever done that once before, it was not fun!
[22:30] <phillw> tcrt?...
[22:31] <phillw> CCFL :D
[22:31] <knome> heh
[22:31] <phillw> lmao at CRT :P
[22:31] <knome> no idea what you're talking about
[22:31] <knome> i'll try to keep as far from the hardware tinkering as possible
[22:33] <phillw> the backlight in most laptops is powered by a very, very thin tube... a couple of millimeters in diam. Just like a standard fluorescent tube you see in the ceilings at offices / shops etc... except very small and VERY fragile.
[22:34] <knome> yeah.
[22:34] <knome> i'd break it
[22:36] <phillw> breaking it is the least of your worries, manufacturers have the screens made to be un-economic in paid time to actually replace the backlight... They'd rather you buy a new machine.....
[22:51] <knome> :P
[22:52] <phillw> knome: this link shows just how thin the little critters are, and is not 100% tech talk :) http://computer.howstuffworks.com/question580.htm
[22:52] <knome> i'm sure
[22:52] <knome> but as i said, i'll try to keep away from the HW ;)